From allendc at qwest.net Fri Jun 1 20:51:37 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:51:37 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board Message-ID: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Hello everyone Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the 737's analog instruments with this board. Some images: http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg David www.737FlightSim.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jun 1 22:08:45 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > Hello everyone > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > Some images: > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 1 22:19:58 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 00:19:58 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out well for Leo. I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week including the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I helped him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I just hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to buy more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are selling like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values so you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this gauge to "function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I get mine going, I will post up a video. I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. Finally bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last couple of weeks. jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > Hello everyone > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > Some images: > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Sat Jun 2 08:20:53 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:20:53 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20070602152203.139CF53BF88@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? Hi Gene No, I converted all of the ones in image "Analog.JPG" to operate with 0 to 5vdc. The nice thing about Leo's Nitro board is that each of the 8 DAC channel's has the following connections: Gnd DAC out 0 to 5v @ 12 bit resolution + 5vdc + 12vdc So you can build circuits inside the instrument that need power and use a single connector to the Nitro. This is very cool because you can build the interface cables that have all four connections and only vary in length, then only use the connections inside the instrument that you need to power the instrument. For example the yaw damper required the 0 to 5vdc.to be converted to a plus or minus voltage to drive the meter movement right or left of the center off position. I will need a second Nitro Board and I will be using air core motors for some other instruments, that could not be converted to 0 to 5vdc. David www.737FlightSim.com From allendc at qwest.net Sat Jun 2 09:45:45 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:45:45 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Hi Jay I converted the real instruments in "Analog.JPG" to 0 to 5vdc operation. There are Synchro driven instruments in the 737 and they will be converted to air core with the second Nitro board. The main reason I wanted to use the real instruments is the fact of how they respond when the aircraft is powered or when aircraft power is removed. With Synchro driven instruments they tend to remain at the position when power is removed (provided the pointer is balanced) while the other styles of instruments drop to the bottom of the scale when power is removed (spring meter movement). All of the instruments in "Analog.JPG" drop to the bottom of the scale or center, when power is removed. So when you bring a power bus on line the instruments respond properly (AKA anal-retentive 737 sim builder) A true servo motor with position feedback (like a RC Servo) would be the best match to replace the Synchro in a Synchro driven instruments because it can position the motor shaft on power up and the shaft stays in last commanded position when powered down. It would be nice to have a choice of air core Boards or RC Servo boards the directly plug into the Nitro board. David www.737FlightSim.com At 12:19 AM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out well >for Leo. > >I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work >wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week including >the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I helped >him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I just >hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to buy >more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are selling >like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are >fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem >value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values so >you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will >monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this gauge to >"function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. > >David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I get >mine going, I will post up a video. > >I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. Finally >bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last couple >of weeks. > >jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > Hello everyone > > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the > > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > > > Some images: > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > > > >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? > >g. > >-- >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Jun 2 10:45:35 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: > Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out well > for Leo. > I hope so, I told him I wanted to buy 10 of the 2" ones a few weeks ago. I'm hoping he's going to get around to them soon. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 2 13:58:31 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:58:31 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <006e01c7a558$c73f54b0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> So you are driving synchros with a 0-5v signal, did I read that correctly? With regards to the needle in the off position...I thought I was anal retentive. I like it. I decided to compromise on that issue with my pit for the ease of which the AC motors work. I simply scavenged the faces and needles from my real gauges along with the cans. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board Hi Jay I converted the real instruments in "Analog.JPG" to 0 to 5vdc operation. There are Synchro driven instruments in the 737 and they will be converted to air core with the second Nitro board. The main reason I wanted to use the real instruments is the fact of how they respond when the aircraft is powered or when aircraft power is removed. With Synchro driven instruments they tend to remain at the position when power is removed (provided the pointer is balanced) while the other styles of instruments drop to the bottom of the scale when power is removed (spring meter movement). All of the instruments in "Analog.JPG" drop to the bottom of the scale or center, when power is removed. So when you bring a power bus on line the instruments respond properly (AKA anal-retentive 737 sim builder) A true servo motor with position feedback (like a RC Servo) would be the best match to replace the Synchro in a Synchro driven instruments because it can position the motor shaft on power up and the shaft stays in last commanded position when powered down. It would be nice to have a choice of air core Boards or RC Servo boards the directly plug into the Nitro board. David www.737FlightSim.com At 12:19 AM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out well >for Leo. > >I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work >wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week including >the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I helped >him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I just >hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to buy >more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are selling >like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are >fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem >value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values so >you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will >monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this gauge to >"function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. > >David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I get >mine going, I will post up a video. > >I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. Finally >bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last couple >of weeks. > >jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > Hello everyone > > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the > > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > > > Some images: > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > > > >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? > >g. > >-- >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 2 13:59:57 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:59:57 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: References: <001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <006f01c7a558$fa4b1c40$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> He's busier than a one armed Wall paper hanger with these. They are really selling well and he's busier than hell trying to get all the orders out. He just bought another 20 of the small air core motors from me. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:46 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out well > for Leo. > I hope so, I told him I wanted to buy 10 of the 2" ones a few weeks ago. I'm hoping he's going to get around to them soon. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Sat Jun 2 14:32:00 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:32:00 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <006e01c7a558$c73f54b0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <006e01c7a558$c73f54b0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <20070602213220.1D64D62D41B@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> At 03:58 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: >So you are driving synchros with a 0-5v signal, did I read that correctly? No I am waiting for Mikes book to be released and for you to start making the Synchro converter boards >:-} >:-} >:-} >:-} >With regards to the needle in the off position...I thought I was anal >retentive. I like it. LOL >I decided to compromise on that issue with my pit >for the ease of which the AC motors work. I simply scavenged the faces and >needles from my real gauges along with the cans. I can understand that ! David www.737FlightSim.com >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > >Hi Jay >I converted the real instruments in "Analog.JPG" to 0 to 5vdc operation. > >There are Synchro driven instruments in the 737 and they will be >converted to air core with the second Nitro board. > >The main reason I wanted to use the real instruments is the fact of >how they respond when the aircraft is powered or when aircraft power >is removed. > >With Synchro driven instruments they tend to remain at the position >when power is removed (provided the pointer is balanced) while the >other styles of instruments drop to the bottom of the scale when >power is removed (spring meter movement). All of the instruments in >"Analog.JPG" drop to the bottom of the scale or center, when power is >removed. So when you bring a power bus on line the instruments >respond properly (AKA anal-retentive 737 sim builder) > >A true servo motor with position feedback (like a RC Servo) would be >the best match to replace the Synchro in a Synchro driven instruments >because it can position the motor shaft on power up and the shaft >stays in last commanded position when powered down. > >It would be nice to have a choice of air core Boards or RC Servo >boards the directly plug into the Nitro board. > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > >At 12:19 AM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out >well > >for Leo. > > > >I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work > >wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week including > >the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I helped > >him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I >just > >hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to buy > >more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are selling > >like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are > >fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem > >value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values so > >you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will > >monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this gauge >to > >"function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. > > > >David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I get > >mine going, I will post up a video. > > > >I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. Finally > >bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last couple > >of weeks. > > > >jay > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > > > Hello everyone > > > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the > > > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > > > > > Some images: > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > > > > > > >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? > > > >g. > > > >-- > >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > > > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. > >Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 2 15:08:28 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:08:28 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <20070602213220.1D64D62D41B@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net><006e01c7a558$c73f54b0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602213220.1D64D62D41B@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <008401c7a562$8ccc5d50$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> As soon as I have the final version of that circuit and he gives me the green light, it will be drawn up as fast as I can and off to the makers. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:32 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board At 03:58 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: >So you are driving synchros with a 0-5v signal, did I read that correctly? No I am waiting for Mikes book to be released and for you to start making the Synchro converter boards >:-} >:-} >:-} >:-} >With regards to the needle in the off position...I thought I was anal >retentive. I like it. LOL >I decided to compromise on that issue with my pit >for the ease of which the AC motors work. I simply scavenged the faces and >needles from my real gauges along with the cans. I can understand that ! David www.737FlightSim.com >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > >Hi Jay >I converted the real instruments in "Analog.JPG" to 0 to 5vdc operation. > >There are Synchro driven instruments in the 737 and they will be >converted to air core with the second Nitro board. > >The main reason I wanted to use the real instruments is the fact of >how they respond when the aircraft is powered or when aircraft power >is removed. > >With Synchro driven instruments they tend to remain at the position >when power is removed (provided the pointer is balanced) while the >other styles of instruments drop to the bottom of the scale when >power is removed (spring meter movement). All of the instruments in >"Analog.JPG" drop to the bottom of the scale or center, when power is >removed. So when you bring a power bus on line the instruments >respond properly (AKA anal-retentive 737 sim builder) > >A true servo motor with position feedback (like a RC Servo) would be >the best match to replace the Synchro in a Synchro driven instruments >because it can position the motor shaft on power up and the shaft >stays in last commanded position when powered down. > >It would be nice to have a choice of air core Boards or RC Servo >boards the directly plug into the Nitro board. > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > >At 12:19 AM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out >well > >for Leo. > > > >I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work > >wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week including > >the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I helped > >him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I >just > >hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to buy > >more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are selling > >like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are > >fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem > >value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values so > >you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will > >monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this gauge >to > >"function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. > > > >David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I get > >mine going, I will post up a video. > > > >I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. Finally > >bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last couple > >of weeks. > > > >jay > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > > > Hello everyone > > > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the > > > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > > > > > Some images: > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > > > > > > >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? > > > >g. > > > >-- > >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > > > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. > >Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Sat Jun 2 15:34:03 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:34:03 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <008401c7a562$8ccc5d50$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <006e01c7a558$c73f54b0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602213220.1D64D62D41B@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> <008401c7a562$8ccc5d50$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <20070602223416.1371022E492@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Well Jay I will be standing in Line, if there is a line forming for the first production run. I need to control a total of 4 Synchro so put me down for the number Synchro converter boards that will do the job! 2 of the Synchro's are 26 volts 400hz and I will let you know the voltage of the other 2 but my guess is they are also 26 volts 400hz. Any idea what the input will be, 0 to 5 volt like the Nitro Analog or Digital? David www.737FlightSim.com At 05:08 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: >As soon as I have the final version of that circuit and he gives me the >green light, it will be drawn up as fast as I can and off to the makers. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:32 PM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > >At 03:58 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >So you are driving synchros with a 0-5v signal, did I read that correctly? > >No I am waiting for Mikes book to be released and for you to start >making the Synchro converter boards >:-} >:-} >:-} >:-} > > >With regards to the needle in the off position...I thought I was anal > >retentive. I like it. > >LOL > > >I decided to compromise on that issue with my pit > >for the ease of which the AC motors work. I simply scavenged the faces and > >needles from my real gauges along with the cans. > >I can understand that ! > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > > > >Jay > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > >Hi Jay > >I converted the real instruments in "Analog.JPG" to 0 to 5vdc operation. > > > >There are Synchro driven instruments in the 737 and they will be > >converted to air core with the second Nitro board. > > > >The main reason I wanted to use the real instruments is the fact of > >how they respond when the aircraft is powered or when aircraft power > >is removed. > > > >With Synchro driven instruments they tend to remain at the position > >when power is removed (provided the pointer is balanced) while the > >other styles of instruments drop to the bottom of the scale when > >power is removed (spring meter movement). All of the instruments in > >"Analog.JPG" drop to the bottom of the scale or center, when power is > >removed. So when you bring a power bus on line the instruments > >respond properly (AKA anal-retentive 737 sim builder) > > > >A true servo motor with position feedback (like a RC Servo) would be > >the best match to replace the Synchro in a Synchro driven instruments > >because it can position the motor shaft on power up and the shaft > >stays in last commanded position when powered down. > > > >It would be nice to have a choice of air core Boards or RC Servo > >boards the directly plug into the Nitro board. > > > >David > >www.737FlightSim.com > > > >At 12:19 AM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out > >well > > >for Leo. > > > > > >I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work > > >wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week >including > > >the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I helped > > >him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I > >just > > >hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to >buy > > >more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are >selling > > >like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are > > >fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem > > >value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values so > > >you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will > > >monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this gauge > >to > > >"function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. > > > > > >David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I >get > > >mine going, I will post up a video. > > > > > >I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. >Finally > > >bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last >couple > > >of weeks. > > > > > >jay > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM > > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > > > > > Hello everyone > > > > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the > > > > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > > > > > > > Some images: > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > > > > > > > > > >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? > > > > > >g. > > > > > >-- > > >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > > > > > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > > >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > >page. > > >Thanks! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > >above page. Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. > >Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above page. 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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 2 17:35:42 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:35:42 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <20070602223416.1371022E492@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net><006e01c7a558$c73f54b0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><20070602213220.1D64D62D41B@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net><008401c7a562$8ccc5d50$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602223416.1371022E492@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <009401c7a577$1e921590$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> >From what I have seen of this circuit and read of this chapter, it will be a serial data input from a standard serial port. The circuit is setup to use a multidrop RS 485 data bus. The data is then converted via a PIC and then sent into the rest of the circuit where the magic happens. You will need a 26v 400hz power to drive this board as well as your synchros. If you have this, great, if not, then Mike also provides a little inverter board you can build but need +/- 24v to run. Not a typical PS, but obtainable. For both of these projects you will need to source some transformers....but don't fear, I've already done that part. The biggest thing one will need to do is write some interface software to get the digital data out of the sim to the serial port. Once that's done, the rest is soldering and watching in great anticipation. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board Well Jay I will be standing in Line, if there is a line forming for the first production run. I need to control a total of 4 Synchro so put me down for the number Synchro converter boards that will do the job! 2 of the Synchro's are 26 volts 400hz and I will let you know the voltage of the other 2 but my guess is they are also 26 volts 400hz. Any idea what the input will be, 0 to 5 volt like the Nitro Analog or Digital? David www.737FlightSim.com At 05:08 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: >As soon as I have the final version of that circuit and he gives me the >green light, it will be drawn up as fast as I can and off to the makers. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:32 PM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > >At 03:58 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >So you are driving synchros with a 0-5v signal, did I read that correctly? > >No I am waiting for Mikes book to be released and for you to start >making the Synchro converter boards >:-} >:-} >:-} >:-} > > >With regards to the needle in the off position...I thought I was anal > >retentive. I like it. > >LOL > > >I decided to compromise on that issue with my pit > >for the ease of which the AC motors work. I simply scavenged the faces and > >needles from my real gauges along with the cans. > >I can understand that ! > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > > > >Jay > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > >Hi Jay > >I converted the real instruments in "Analog.JPG" to 0 to 5vdc operation. > > > >There are Synchro driven instruments in the 737 and they will be > >converted to air core with the second Nitro board. > > > >The main reason I wanted to use the real instruments is the fact of > >how they respond when the aircraft is powered or when aircraft power > >is removed. > > > >With Synchro driven instruments they tend to remain at the position > >when power is removed (provided the pointer is balanced) while the > >other styles of instruments drop to the bottom of the scale when > >power is removed (spring meter movement). All of the instruments in > >"Analog.JPG" drop to the bottom of the scale or center, when power is > >removed. So when you bring a power bus on line the instruments > >respond properly (AKA anal-retentive 737 sim builder) > > > >A true servo motor with position feedback (like a RC Servo) would be > >the best match to replace the Synchro in a Synchro driven instruments > >because it can position the motor shaft on power up and the shaft > >stays in last commanded position when powered down. > > > >It would be nice to have a choice of air core Boards or RC Servo > >boards the directly plug into the Nitro board. > > > >David > >www.737FlightSim.com > > > >At 12:19 AM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out > >well > > >for Leo. > > > > > >I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work > > >wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week >including > > >the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I helped > > >him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I > >just > > >hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to >buy > > >more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are >selling > > >like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are > > >fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem > > >value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values so > > >you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will > > >monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this gauge > >to > > >"function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. > > > > > >David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I >get > > >mine going, I will post up a video. > > > > > >I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. >Finally > > >bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last >couple > > >of weeks. > > > > > >jay > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM > > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > > > > > Hello everyone > > > > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control the > > > > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > > > > > > > Some images: > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > > > > > > > > > >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? > > > > > >g. > > > > > >-- > > >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > > > > > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > > >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > >page. > > >Thanks! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > >above page. Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. > >Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Sat Jun 2 18:21:54 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:21:54 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <009401c7a577$1e921590$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <006e01c7a558$c73f54b0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602213220.1D64D62D41B@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> <008401c7a562$8ccc5d50$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070602223416.1371022E492@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <009401c7a577$1e921590$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <20070603012210.E5FF222E786@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Hi Jay This guy on Ebay sells 400hz Inverter kits, 12 Volt DC to 115VAC 400Hz 3 Phase Converter 4 Avionics Item number: 200115049579. He also has single phase kit. I don't know how to program so I am at the mercy of the programmers. Then next big challenge will be the implementation of the ARINC 429 bus so one can talk to instruments like digital clocks http://www.holtic.com/data_sheets.cfm David www.737FlightSim.com At 07:35 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >From what I have seen of this circuit and read of this chapter, it will be a >serial data input from a standard serial port. The circuit is setup to use >a multidrop RS 485 data bus. The data is then converted via a PIC and then >sent into the rest of the circuit where the magic happens. You will need a >26v 400hz power to drive this board as well as your synchros. If you have >this, great, if not, then Mike also provides a little inverter board you can >build but need +/- 24v to run. Not a typical PS, but obtainable. For both >of these projects you will need to source some transformers....but don't >fear, I've already done that part. > >The biggest thing one will need to do is write some interface software to >get the digital data out of the sim to the serial port. Once that's done, >the rest is soldering and watching in great anticipation. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:34 PM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations >Nitro Analog board > >Well Jay I will be standing in Line, if there is a line forming for >the first production run. > >I need to control a total of 4 Synchro so put me down for the number >Synchro converter boards that will do the job! > >2 of the Synchro's are 26 volts 400hz and I will let you know the >voltage of the other 2 but my guess is they are also 26 volts 400hz. > >Any idea what the input will be, 0 to 5 volt like the Nitro Analog or >Digital? > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > >At 05:08 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >As soon as I have the final version of that circuit and he gives me the > >green light, it will be drawn up as fast as I can and off to the makers. > > > >Jay > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:32 PM > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > >At 03:58 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >So you are driving synchros with a 0-5v signal, did I read that >correctly? > > > >No I am waiting for Mikes book to be released and for you to start > >making the Synchro converter boards >:-} >:-} >:-} >:-} > > > > >With regards to the needle in the off position...I thought I was anal > > >retentive. I like it. > > > >LOL > > > > >I decided to compromise on that issue with my pit > > >for the ease of which the AC motors work. I simply scavenged the faces >and > > >needles from my real gauges along with the cans. > > > >I can understand that ! > > > >David > >www.737FlightSim.com > > > > > > >Jay > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen > > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM > > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > > > >Hi Jay > > >I converted the real instruments in "Analog.JPG" to 0 to 5vdc operation. > > > > > >There are Synchro driven instruments in the 737 and they will be > > >converted to air core with the second Nitro board. > > > > > >The main reason I wanted to use the real instruments is the fact of > > >how they respond when the aircraft is powered or when aircraft power > > >is removed. > > > > > >With Synchro driven instruments they tend to remain at the position > > >when power is removed (provided the pointer is balanced) while the > > >other styles of instruments drop to the bottom of the scale when > > >power is removed (spring meter movement). All of the instruments in > > >"Analog.JPG" drop to the bottom of the scale or center, when power is > > >removed. So when you bring a power bus on line the instruments > > >respond properly (AKA anal-retentive 737 sim builder) > > > > > >A true servo motor with position feedback (like a RC Servo) would be > > >the best match to replace the Synchro in a Synchro driven instruments > > >because it can position the motor shaft on power up and the shaft > > >stays in last commanded position when powered down. > > > > > >It would be nice to have a choice of air core Boards or RC Servo > > >boards the directly plug into the Nitro board. > > > > > >David > > >www.737FlightSim.com > > > > > >At 12:19 AM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out > > >well > > > >for Leo. > > > > > > > >I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work > > > >wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week > >including > > > >the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I >helped > > > >him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I > > >just > > > >hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to > >buy > > > >more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are > >selling > > > >like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are > > > >fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem > > > >value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values >so > > > >you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will > > > >monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this >gauge > > >to > > > >"function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. > > > > > > > >David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I > >get > > > >mine going, I will post up a video. > > > > > > > >I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. > >Finally > > > >bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last > >couple > > > >of weeks. > > > > > > > >jay > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > > > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > > > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM > > > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > > > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone > > > > > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control >the > > > > > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > > > > > > > > > Some images: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? > > > > > > > >g. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > > > > > > > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > > > >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > >page. > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > > >above page. 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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 2 22:24:24 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:24:24 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <20070603012210.E5FF222E786@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070602035244.CF42A53BD35@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><001901c7a4d5$aa4c39a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><20070602164555.9732E621DBF@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net><006e01c7a558$c73f54b0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><20070602213220.1D64D62D41B@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net><008401c7a562$8ccc5d50$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><20070602223416.1371022E492@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net><009401c7a577$1e921590$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070603012210.E5FF222E786@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <00ad01c7a59f$72f60f60$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> I'm in the same boat as you David, I have no clue how to program. I took a Fortran class in college back when computers were just starting to replace smoke signal and carrier pigeons. This is one of those skills I have sworn to myself I would learn come hell or high water. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 8:22 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board Hi Jay This guy on Ebay sells 400hz Inverter kits, 12 Volt DC to 115VAC 400Hz 3 Phase Converter 4 Avionics Item number: 200115049579. He also has single phase kit. I don't know how to program so I am at the mercy of the programmers. Then next big challenge will be the implementation of the ARINC 429 bus so one can talk to instruments like digital clocks http://www.holtic.com/data_sheets.cfm David www.737FlightSim.com At 07:35 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >From what I have seen of this circuit and read of this chapter, it will be a >serial data input from a standard serial port. The circuit is setup to use >a multidrop RS 485 data bus. The data is then converted via a PIC and then >sent into the rest of the circuit where the magic happens. You will need a >26v 400hz power to drive this board as well as your synchros. If you have >this, great, if not, then Mike also provides a little inverter board you can >build but need +/- 24v to run. Not a typical PS, but obtainable. For both >of these projects you will need to source some transformers....but don't >fear, I've already done that part. > >The biggest thing one will need to do is write some interface software to >get the digital data out of the sim to the serial port. Once that's done, >the rest is soldering and watching in great anticipation. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:34 PM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations >Nitro Analog board > >Well Jay I will be standing in Line, if there is a line forming for >the first production run. > >I need to control a total of 4 Synchro so put me down for the number >Synchro converter boards that will do the job! > >2 of the Synchro's are 26 volts 400hz and I will let you know the >voltage of the other 2 but my guess is they are also 26 volts 400hz. > >Any idea what the input will be, 0 to 5 volt like the Nitro Analog or >Digital? > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > >At 05:08 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >As soon as I have the final version of that circuit and he gives me the > >green light, it will be drawn up as fast as I can and off to the makers. > > > >Jay > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:32 PM > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > >At 03:58 PM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >So you are driving synchros with a 0-5v signal, did I read that >correctly? > > > >No I am waiting for Mikes book to be released and for you to start > >making the Synchro converter boards >:-} >:-} >:-} >:-} > > > > >With regards to the needle in the off position...I thought I was anal > > >retentive. I like it. > > > >LOL > > > > >I decided to compromise on that issue with my pit > > >for the ease of which the AC motors work. I simply scavenged the faces >and > > >needles from my real gauges along with the cans. > > > >I can understand that ! > > > >David > >www.737FlightSim.com > > > > > > >Jay > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen > > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM > > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > > > >Hi Jay > > >I converted the real instruments in "Analog.JPG" to 0 to 5vdc operation. > > > > > >There are Synchro driven instruments in the 737 and they will be > > >converted to air core with the second Nitro board. > > > > > >The main reason I wanted to use the real instruments is the fact of > > >how they respond when the aircraft is powered or when aircraft power > > >is removed. > > > > > >With Synchro driven instruments they tend to remain at the position > > >when power is removed (provided the pointer is balanced) while the > > >other styles of instruments drop to the bottom of the scale when > > >power is removed (spring meter movement). All of the instruments in > > >"Analog.JPG" drop to the bottom of the scale or center, when power is > > >removed. So when you bring a power bus on line the instruments > > >respond properly (AKA anal-retentive 737 sim builder) > > > > > >A true servo motor with position feedback (like a RC Servo) would be > > >the best match to replace the Synchro in a Synchro driven instruments > > >because it can position the motor shaft on power up and the shaft > > >stays in last commanded position when powered down. > > > > > >It would be nice to have a choice of air core Boards or RC Servo > > >boards the directly plug into the Nitro board. > > > > > >David > > >www.737FlightSim.com > > > > > >At 12:19 AM 6/2/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Not to answer for David, but yes. The air cores are really working out > > >well > > > >for Leo. > > > > > > > >I have three of my F-16 gauges converted to air core and they work > > > >wonderfully. Leo is sending me the rest of the gauges next week > >including > > > >the one inch gauges. These have a very tiny air core motor that I >helped > > > >him get. Company here in the states would never call them back until I > > >just > > > >hounded them enough and got them to sell me 75 units. Leo is about to > >buy > > > >more from me and I'm about to have to order more. These babies are > >selling > > > >like hot cakes. So far, just about all the round gauges for falcon are > > > >fully working. Only ones that aren't are the ones that have no sh. Mem > > > >value, but leo is going to program his software to "fake" those values >so > > > >you will have them "working" as well. Like for cabin pressure, we will > > > >monitor things like the canopy status and other logic to cause this >gauge > > >to > > > >"function". Same for the Hyd gauges as well. > > > > > > > >David, good to see you having some working gauges there. As soon as I > >get > > > >mine going, I will post up a video. > > > > > > > >I've been spending time back in the garage again with my new tool. > >Finally > > > >bought myself a metal lathe and been learning all about turning last > >couple > > > >of weeks. > > > > > > > >jay > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > > > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > > > >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM > > > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > > > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone > > > > > Leo did it again with his GREAT Nitro Board. I am able to control >the > > > > > 737's analog instruments with this board. > > > > > > > > > > Some images: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog.JPG > > > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog4.jpg > > > > > > > > > > http://www.737flightsim.com/Analog/Analog5.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > >David, have those been rebuilt using Leo's air-core motor assemblies? > > > > > > > >g. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > > > > > > > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > > > >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > >page. > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > > >above page. 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From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 3 12:16:28 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Synchro converter boards - Was Beta Innovations Nitro Analog board In-Reply-To: <00ad01c7a59f$72f60f60$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: > I'm in the same boat as you David, I have no clue how to program. I took a > Fortran class in college back when computers were just starting to replace > smoke signal and carrier pigeons. This is one of those skills I have sworn > to myself I would learn come hell or high water. > Since I have to write the software interfaces for my stuff, you guys will get covered as well. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From idekkers at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 07:33:55 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:33:55 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 Aircraft Cockpit Simulator - Procedural Trainer Message-ID: <39e5de8d0706090733l78b2f09fjb29d1ad82b272dc2@mail.gmail.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/F-15-Aircraft-Cockpit-Simulator-Procedural-Trainer_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ013QQitemZ230140972659QQrdZ1%5B/url%5D Ido -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Just a small update that shows the completed work area and the new, insanely huge wall 'o cabinet. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Jun 12 00:50:33 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:50:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > Just a small update that shows the completed work area and the new, > insanely huge wall 'o cabinet. > It won't be complete until we see a cockpit back in there!! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 12 07:26:57 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Just a small update that shows the completed work area and the new, > > insanely huge wall 'o cabinet. > > > > It won't be complete until we see a cockpit back in there!! > Oh, it's in there. Just out of frame. :) I'm hoping to get started on the new steel frame in the next couple of weeks. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Tue Jun 19 04:26:05 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:26:05 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Military Mask Mic to PC? Message-ID: <0JJV004VTRRY9W10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> I know this whole subject has been done to death... but I wasn't listening :( I have picked up a nice mint MBU-5/p mask to use in my Skyhawk sim... now I just need to figure out how to make it talk to my PC soundcard. Any ideas? The headphones don't need converting, because I have converted them to PC spec speakers anyway, so it's just the mic I need to convert. I know there has been discussion of GA Headset to PC adaptors, but I can't find anything about mil Mic's. SeanG From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Jun 19 05:04:13 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:04:13 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pressure breathing - a wonderful article Message-ID: <435f756b6d6b475b8f43a34401c18b22.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> http://www.cja-jca.org/cgi/content/full/50/4/415 You won't believe how I found this one.... someone had printed it out and it was just laying around our flight room. No idea who, but it has a lot of good info... Brian From idekkers at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 06:56:12 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:56:12 +0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Military Mask Mic to PC? In-Reply-To: <0JJV004VTRRY9W10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> References: <0JJV004VTRRY9W10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0706190656u3967a0c2g93090289970bbff9@mail.gmail.com> jay is making a set for that conversion. if you miss him here, he's hanging out here : viperpit.org all the time. find crease-guard. Ido On 6/19/07, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > I know this whole subject has been done to death... but I wasn't listening > :( > > I have picked up a nice mint MBU-5/p mask to use in my Skyhawk sim... > now I just need to figure out how to make it talk to my PC > soundcard. Any ideas? > The headphones don't need converting, because I have converted them > to PC spec speakers anyway, so it's just the mic I need to convert. > > I know there has been discussion of GA Headset to PC adaptors, but I > can't find anything about mil Mic's. > > SeanG > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070619/6ed89d32/attachment.html From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Tue Jun 19 11:22:05 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:22:05 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Military Mask Mic to PC? In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0706190656u3967a0c2g93090289970bbff9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <0JJV004VTRRY9W10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> <39e5de8d0706190656u3967a0c2g93090289970bbff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JJW00IH8B1JSL10@smtp4.clear.net.nz> At 01:56 a.m. 20/06/2007, you wrote: >jay is making a set for that conversion. >if you miss him here, he's hanging out here : >viperpit.org all the time. >find crease-guard. > >Ido Aha! Thanks for that, I knew someone had been talking about this before.. but back then I had no plans for having a real mask :) I'll check out viperpit I also found this: http://flightgear.dk/adapterpc.htm which is a howto from the flightgear online guys (which I should have remembered...d'oh) SeanG From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 19 13:00:57 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:00:57 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Military Mask Mic to PC? In-Reply-To: <0JJW00IH8B1JSL10@smtp4.clear.net.nz> References: <0JJV004VTRRY9W10@smtp5.clear.net.nz><39e5de8d0706190656u3967a0c2g93090289970bbff9@mail.gmail.com> <0JJW00IH8B1JSL10@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <000b01c7b2ac$8df68190$1900a8c0@flightsystems> That one didn't work too well for me. It did work, but the voice was so mute, it was hard to hear. Send me an email at Flightsystemsltd at sbcglobal.net and I'll get you hooked up with just what you need. For anyone else interested, I do make these boxes and was even toying with adding in the connections for a GA headset as well so that you could pick and choose which to use and have the option to use both...but not at the same time of course. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Sean Galbraith Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:22 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Military Mask Mic to PC? At 01:56 a.m. 20/06/2007, you wrote: >jay is making a set for that conversion. >if you miss him here, he's hanging out here : >viperpit.org all the time. >find crease-guard. > >Ido Aha! Thanks for that, I knew someone had been talking about this before.. but back then I had no plans for having a real mask :) I'll check out viperpit I also found this: http://flightgear.dk/adapterpc.htm which is a howto from the flightgear online guys (which I should have remembered...d'oh) SeanG _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks!