From kevin at simdeck.com Wed Aug 1 01:42:11 2007 From: kevin at simdeck.com (kevin at simdeck.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:42:11 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'd think... list submisson Message-ID: <20070801014210.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.b0ea6cf9ad.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070801/1e391e22/attachment.html From pongprom at mac.com Wed Aug 1 11:35:04 2007 From: pongprom at mac.com (Pongprom) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:35:04 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found this company, very interesting. http://www.lcdshow.com -Prohm From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Aug 1 13:08:10 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:08:10 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'dthink... list submisson Message-ID: <67ab680d60a64382895a2ddbc435c335.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Great info! I will definitely be thinking more about this myself... ------- Original Message ------- >From : kevin at simdeck.com[mailto:kevin at simdeck.com] Sent : 8/1/2007 4:42:11 AM To : simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc : Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'dthink... list submisson Hi Folks Just following up on the thorough submmission by Rob Hommell. One aspect the article overlooked though in regards to projection is the crucial aspect of the screen material itself. Most think projection needs to be in a darken room - 100 - 50 lux etc to get the perfect picture, which is true if you are using a white surface - painted wall or matt white screen. However if one is using a screen that vastly manages light in a different realm then it is quite a simple solution to achieve the perfect image for simulation. home theatre etc in a well lit room and low end projector. This is what we do on a daily basis with our ICE Digital Daytime screens. Our lens screen for example at any expo when we set up one of our F1 racing simulators allows us to achieve an image without fault. We find this excellent in using front projection as we mount the projector above and at the rear of the car and the screen at the front, so thereby occupying the projection distance taken up be the car. It is our intensions to achieve the same with the F16, Spitfire and Helicopter sims We would never consider using LCD/plasma etc as the image is far to small. Typically our images create a life size world with 1.7m or larger depending on the need or situation. What our ICE Digital Dayime Lens screen allows is a projector image that is up to 2,000% brighter than if a matt white screen had been used in a well lit environment. Many find this hard to understand as most in the world have been engrained to think projector lumen is the key, failing to realise that the screen is the crucial aspect to get right. Feel free to browse the downloads section where you'll find numerous examples comparative shots. http://www.iceav.co.nz/default.asp?Page=Downloads. The other interesting aspect is that a matt white screen / painted wall will actually discard projector resolution due to the soft nature of the surface. What we find in any environment including a darken room that our screens make a noticeable visual improvement in the sharpment. The lens screen adds a slight perceived 3D effect with the naked eye, which is increased when wearing standard prescription or other reading glasses etc. of course with edimensional 3d system and a low cost projector and one of our screen we often race in 3D in a well lit room enjoying a life size screen image. We look forward to doing this more in the flight sim! Also in regards to using mirrors...not sure if I saw it mentioned but when folding light you'll need front surface mirrors...not the bathroom type which are rear surface mirrors. Also it is also possible to use tension mirror foil, which tends to be cheaper and lighter weight. Anyone wishing to talk off offline feel free to contact me. Regards Kevin Andreassend kevin at iceav.co.nz www.iceav.co.nz PS enjoy reading all your techy stuff, projects and the occassional banter submissions. From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Wed Aug 1 13:33:23 2007 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:33:23 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'd think... list submisson Message-ID: <20070801203323.95A1F102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Kevin: There truly is a great deal which I omitted in my email, there are technologies and products which we haven't even discussed. The projection surface is indeed a factor which affects projection performance. Projection screens which have a capability to reflect a greater amount of light than which is reflected by a simple matte white surface is of interest to simmers. Projector screens have this ability some interesting technologies have been used by manufactures over the years. A history of these projection screens would be of interest to the sim community.(hint) Some home entertainment/home theater companies offer special paints to increase the projection. One item which was of interest to me recently was one manufacturer which recommend using a gray paint color. White has historically been the preferred color, I wonder if the reason white has been in use is that it is how it has always been done and no one ever questioned if indeed it was the best color. There are any number of projection screen/projection methods we have made little mention of some examples include the fog screen. A technology which shows some interesting possibilities. (http://www.fogscreen.com/en/index.html)Then there is the possible use of spherical domes for your sims usage there are some amusing aspects to this that I love, many of the methods employed in this technology are utilized in planetariums. This is only a very small sampling of what is available on this technology. http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/projection/domemirror/ http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/projection/domegeom/ http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/projection/mirrorbox/ Then there is the combination of hardware and software to solve a complex problem take a peek at what these folks have come up with. If anyone knows anyone at this company that can talk them into giving me one of these systems to play with please do so. I really like the possibilities.I want the software as well please somebody help me on this http://www.siliconoptix.com/boxProducts/ImageAnyplaceOverview.cfm having the ability to have your projector off axis and then shape the projection to the angles of the room opens so many possibilities. There are so many possible solutions to the problems inherent to projection systems and there are quite a few that neither Kevin nor I have addressed. This is an aspect of this hobby that is frequently one that is addressed as needed instead of one which should be part of the design. Think early about your method of displaying external views instead of it being an after thought and always remember the rule of the five P's. Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance oddly enough this is an old Air Force axiom. As always Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Aug 1 18:29:04 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:29:04 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'dthink... list submisson In-Reply-To: <67ab680d60a64382895a2ddbc435c335.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <67ab680d60a64382895a2ddbc435c335.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <8C9A2BBA5A4260B-EB0-BD96@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> Kevin, can your company do a MFD for under 100.00 usd? there are two in f16s (see viperpit.org), I believe there are two in f15s (this forum/mail list) as well. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sikkema To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 4:08 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'dthink... list submisson Great info! I will definitely be thinking more about this myself... ------- Original Message ------- >From : kevin at simdeck.com[mailto:kevin at simdeck.com] Sent : 8/1/2007 4:42:11 AM To : simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc : Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'dthink... list submisson Hi Folks Just following up on the thorough submmission by Rob Hommell. One aspect the article overlooked though in regards to projection is the crucial aspect of the screen material itself. Most think projection needs to be in a darken room - 100 - 50 lux etc to get the perfect picture, which is true if you are using a white surface - painted wall or matt white screen. However if one is using a screen that vastly manages light in a different realm then it is quite a simple solution to achieve the perfect image for simulation. home theatre etc in a well lit room and low end projector. This is what we do on a daily basis with our ICE Digital Daytime screens. Our lens screen for example at any expo when we set up one of our F1 racing simulators allows us to achieve an image without fault. We find this excellent in using front projection as we mount the projector above and at the rear of the car and the screen at the front, so thereby occupying the projection distance taken up be the car. It is our intensions to achieve the same with the F16, Spitfire and Helicopter sims We would never consider using LCD/plasma etc as the image is far to small. Typically our images create a life size world with 1.7m or larger depending on the need or situation. What our ICE Digital Dayime Lens screen allows is a projector image that is up to 2,000% brighter than if a matt white screen had been used in a well lit environment. Many find this hard to understand as most in the world have been engrained to think projector lumen is the key, failing to realise that the screen is the crucial aspect to get right. Feel free to browse the downloads section where you'll find numerous examples comparative shots. http://www.iceav.co.nz/default.asp?Page=Downloads. The other interesting aspect is that a matt white screen / painted wall will actually discard projector resolution due to the soft nature of the surface. What we find in any environment including a darken room that our screens make a noticeable visual improvement in the sharpment. The lens screen adds a slight perceived 3D effect with the naked eye, which is increased when wearing standard prescription or other reading glasses etc. of course with edimensional 3d system and a low cost projector and one of our screen we often race in 3D in a well lit room enjoying a life size screen image. We look forward to doing this more in the flight sim! Also in regards to using mirrors...not sure if I saw it mentioned but when folding light you'll need front surface mirrors...not the bathroom type which are rear surface mirrors. Also it is also possible to use tension mirror foil, which tends to be cheaper and lighter weight. Anyone wishing to talk off offline feel free to contact me. Regards Kevin Andreassend kevin at iceav.co.nz www.iceav.co.nz PS enjoy reading all your techy stuff, projects and the occassional banter submissions. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070801/44758428/attachment.html From frank at rezultat.dk Wed Aug 1 23:28:39 2007 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:28:39 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006d01c7d4ce$5d4a9970$0601a8c0@Franks> ...and here with sample price http://www.avionicslcd.com/ Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Pongprom Sendt: 1. august 2007 20:35 Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list Emne: [Spam] Re: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD I found this company, very interesting. http://www.lcdshow.com -Prohm _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From frank at rezultat.dk Wed Aug 1 23:39:25 2007 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:39:25 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'd think... list submisson In-Reply-To: <20070801203323.95A1F102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <006e01c7d4cf$de5ffd60$0601a8c0@Franks> Anyway - Falcon is the most used software for combat PIT builders and This software can't show more that front view or 1 view direction at a Time, so dome with this software is no go. So for non combat pit builder there is MSFS and XPLANE - this software And these airplane offend simulated is fix wing, and it is fare enough With big LCD screens for OTW to those simulators - Kevin's ICE is the right thing to projector use - if you want the best. Check Six Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Rob Hommel Sendt: 1. august 2007 22:33 Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'd think... list submisson Kevin: There truly is a great deal which I omitted in my email, there are technologies and products which we haven't even discussed. The projection surface is indeed a factor which affects projection performance. Projection screens which have a capability to reflect a greater amount of light than which is reflected by a simple matte white surface is of interest to simmers. Projector screens have this ability some interesting technologies have been used by manufactures over the years. A history of these projection screens would be of interest to the sim community.(hint) Some home entertainment/home theater companies offer special paints to increase the projection. One item which was of interest to me recently was one manufacturer which recommend using a gray paint color. White has historically been the preferred color, I wonder if the reason white has been in use is that it is how it has always been done and no one ever questioned if indeed it was the best color. There are any number of projection screen/projection methods we have made little mention of some examples include the fog screen. A technology which shows some interesting possibilities. (http://www.fogscreen.com/en/index.html)Then there is the possible use of spherical domes for your sims usage there are some amusing aspects to this that I love, many of the methods employed in this technology are utilized in planetariums. This is only a very small sampling of what is available on this technology. http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/projection/domemirror/ http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/projection/domegeom/ http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/projection/mirrorbox/ Then there is the combination of hardware and software to solve a complex problem take a peek at what these folks have come up with. If anyone knows anyone at this company that can talk them into giving me one of these systems to play with please do so. I really like the possibilities.I want the software as well please somebody help me on this http://www.siliconoptix.com/boxProducts/ImageAnyplaceOverview.cfm having the ability to have your projector off axis and then shape the projection to the angles of the room opens so many possibilities. There are so many possible solutions to the problems inherent to projection systems and there are quite a few that neither Kevin nor I have addressed. This is an aspect of this hobby that is frequently one that is addressed as needed instead of one which should be part of the design. Think early about your method of displaying external views instead of it being an after thought and always remember the rule of the five P's. Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance oddly enough this is an old Air Force axiom. As always Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Aug 2 06:54:07 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD In-Reply-To: <006d01c7d4ce$5d4a9970$0601a8c0@Franks> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Frank Riedel wrote: > ...and here with sample price http://www.avionicslcd.com/ > > Frank > Too bad none of them are 1:1 aspect ratio displays. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Thu Aug 2 07:37:14 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:37:14 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C9A329C0F64CE5-9DC-16E7@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com> yeah I was thinking the same thing, for 400.oo usd I could go out and get a small tft tv on sale and a converter from vga to composite (a little blurry I know) and still have at least 100 if not 150 dollars left over for mhmmm i dunno a few more pairs of shoes the wife will want. 8 ) I met a guy a few years back that said something that I always knew but was too afraid to admit it. Everything a husband buys costs him twice the price he paid for it. Once for the item, twice is what the wife buys in response to the husband buying something whether the first item is for her or not. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 9:54 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Frank Riedel wrote: > ...and here with sample price http://www.avionicslcd.com/ > > Frank > Too bad none of them are 1:1 aspect ratio displays. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070802/786a5e77/attachment.html From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Thu Aug 2 13:50:51 2007 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:50:51 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Projection screens play a vital role more than you'd think... list submisson Message-ID: <20070802205051.EB17A1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Frank: With all respect to the Falcon community, simpits does not represent a single piece of software for simulation. There are several other simulators which do allow for multiple views. Falcon may in the future allow for this possibility should another software development company pick up on this most successful software. As for a dome it can still be used for falcon if you had examined some of the links which I provided, you may have noticed that.:) The ability to warp an image for dome projection is possible, it is not cheap however the cost for the hardware and software for this is about $4000 us, not including dome. This can be accomplished however with a single projector. The failure of Falcon to handle multiple views should not a requirement for Falcon users to explore the possibilities of such construction. The biggest limitation to pit construction should allow for the exploration of new technologies which allow for the implementation of the newer technologies. Kevin projector screens may indeed be the best, I will have to take your word on that as I have no experience with them. Kevin told us that his projector screens "allows is a projector image that is up to 2,000% brighter than if a matte white screen had been used in a well lit environment." This claim is one which should not be taken lightly,nor ignored, it is an extraordinary statement ,. I hope that Kevin will tell us more about how this is accomplished. Frank if you are a user of his screens please feel free to write a bit about your experience. I would look forward to learning about your experience with this product as well. There is a great deal to said about optical systems in pit construction and it has been a subject that frequently comes up withing the list. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Fri Aug 3 02:41:51 2007 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:41:51 +0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD References: <8C9A329C0F64CE5-9DC-16E7@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006001c7d5b2$873ec000$199f8790@BenLaptop> There's a simple way to cut costs, just continually pee off your other half , shewalks out the door you give her half of everything, ...... then you can buy things without the added cost. Pretty simple but a biased view from a burnt man. 8) Ben West Oz "No not Kansas" ----- Original Message ----- From: cyplesma at aol.com To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD yeah I was thinking the same thing, for 400.oo usd I could go out and get a small tft tv on sale and a converter from vga to composite (a little blurry I know) and still have at least 100 if not 150 dollars left over for mhmmm i dunno a few more pairs of shoes the wife will want. 8 ) I met a guy a few years back that said something that I always knew but was too afraid to admit it. Everything a husband buys costs him twice the price he paid for it. Once for the item, twice is what the wife buys in response to the husband buying something whether the first item is for her or not. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 9:54 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Frank Riedel wrote: > ...and here with sample price http://www.avionicslcd.com/ > > Frank > Too bad none of them are 1:1 aspect ratio displays. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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I get a "couldn't connect error." -----Original Message----- From: Ben Jones To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 5:41 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD There's a simple way to cut costs,? just continually pee off your other half , shewalks out the door you give her half of everything, ...... then you can buy things without the added cost. ? Pretty simple? but a biased view from a burnt man. ? 8) ? Ben West Oz "No not Kansas" ----- Original Message ----- From: cyplesma at aol.com To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD yeah I was thinking the same thing, for 400.oo usd I could go out and get a small tft tv on sale and a converter from vga to composite (a little blurry I know) and still have at least 100 if not 150 dollars left over for mhmmm i dunno a few more pairs of shoes the wife will want. 8 ) I met a guy a few years back that said something that I always knew but was too afraid to admit it. Everything a husband buys costs him twice the price he paid for it. Once for the item, twice is what the wife buys in response to the husband buying something whether the first item is for her or not. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 9:54 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TFT LCD On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Frank Riedel wrote: > ...and here with sample price http://www.avionicslcd.com/ > > Frank > Too bad none of them are 1:1 aspect ratio displays. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070803/252b8722/attachment.html From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 08:10:08 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Prohm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <267907.81238.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Prohm, Im doing great, am very busy working 80+ hrs a week so i can buys lots of cool stuff for my new F-4J sim. Since I am only at home a day and a half on the weekends all my time at the house is taken up working on the and that is the reason for not even posting pics on my website. Im taking the sim to the Alliance Ft. Worth airshow and will have it set up beside Steve Cannaby's F-4 Thunderbird sim in October so I have a deadline to get this thing up and running. The big project right now is to install a real F-4 canopy since it was not manufactured with one. That is a bear of a project! Today Im also assembling my new dual core computer that will run the sim. Im glad to hear that you are still playing with your pit, it seems a lot of the old guys gave up on their projects over time. But I will never stop!! ;) Best Regards, Justin Thanks -Prohm- PS. Hello Justin.. How are you ? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 08:09:54 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Prohm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <231136.55002.qm@web52004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Prohm, Im doing great, am very busy working 80+ hrs a week so i can buys lots of cool stuff for my new F-4J sim. Since I am only at home a day and a half on the weekends all my time at the house is taken up working on the and that is the reason for not even posting pics on my website. Im taking the sim to the Alliance Ft. Worth airshow and will have it set up beside Steve Cannaby's F-4 Thunderbird sim in October so I have a deadline to get this thing up and running. The big project right now is to install a real F-4 canopy since it was not manufactured with one. That is a bear of a project! Today Im also assembling my new dual core computer that will run the sim. Im glad to hear that you are still playing with your pit, it seems a lot of the old guys gave up on their projects over time. But I will never stop!! ;) Best Regards, Justin Thanks -Prohm- PS. Hello Justin.. How are you ? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From pongprom at mac.com Sat Aug 4 13:35:09 2007 From: pongprom at mac.com (Pongprom) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:35:09 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Prohm In-Reply-To: <231136.55002.qm@web52004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <231136.55002.qm@web52004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83F4811F-89FB-4FAA-8813-5643C94CB6A0@mac.com> Hey.. Justin I didn't give up, just didn't have time. even now still don't have much time. But I'll kill someone if I only working, need some hobby. I love to see how your pic look like now, you said you have canopy ? Sent some photo please. My email is pongprom at mac.com I'm missing Erwin too. -PS- From kevin at simdeck.com Sat Aug 4 16:15:45 2007 From: kevin at simdeck.com (kevin at simdeck.com) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:15:45 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name Message-ID: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070804/8f9f89c7/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 4 18:13:41 2007 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:13:41 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <000701c7d6fd$dd0809f0$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Two choices really, you can just do what they want or tell them to go shove it. At which point you'd then find out how serious they are and if they are willing to spend the money to come after your domain name. I'd also check out the law firm and see if they are real or if this is some sort of spoof to get that domain name. Jay _____ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of kevin at simdeck.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 6:16 PM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name Hi Folks I posted this entry earlier but not sure if it went thru as I received an error message... A number of you own web site domains that contain names relating to craft owned (trademark) by the major aviation companies. I am the owner of www.f16simulators.com This past week I was contacted by lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin asking me to relinquish the domain to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They sent me 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been registered in many jurisdictions around the world proving ownership in the F16 trademark. Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to a product registered in law is a use of their trademark without their permission. Has anyone ever had a similar approach. I must admit I am puzzled why I have been targeted when I see so many others out there containing F16, F15, 737 etc in all types of iterations. I have been asked for a reply and action within 30 days. Has anyone else had a similar issue to deal with? If you do a whois search you'll see I am based in Auckland, New Zealand Anyone wishing to talk off offline feel free to contact me. Regards Kevin Andreassend kevin at iceav.co.nz www.iceav.co.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070804/37d29b69/attachment-0001.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sat Aug 4 19:24:48 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:24:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 kevin at simdeck.com wrote: Given that the F16 is hardly new kit, it sounds a little fishy to me. Especially since the domain isn't in use as a website offering things they may have found competitive. Something doesn't ring true. Incidentally, a similat thing happened to me a few years back wrt a web page I had for a freeware program I'd written called "IChat". A company threatened me with all manner of nasty legal things if I didn't change the name because they too had a product with that name. When I checked the (c) dates, mine was older - so I told em to go screw themselves. They did. If nothing else, I'd check the credentials of the people threatening you before doing anything else. > Hi Folks > I posted this entry earlier but not sure if it went thru as I received an error message... > > A number of you own web site domains that contain names relating to craft owned (trademark) by the major aviation > companies. > > I am the owner of www.f16simulators.com This past week I was contacted by lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin > asking me to relinquish the domain to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They sent me > 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been registered in many jurisdictions around the world > proving ownership in the F16 trademark. > > Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to a product registered in law is a use of > their trademark without their permission. > > Has anyone ever had a similar approach. I must admit I am puzzled why I have been targeted when I see so many > others out there containing F16, F15, 737 etc in all types of iterations. > > I have been asked for a reply and action within 30 days. > > Has anyone else had a similar issue to deal with? > > If you do a whois search you’ll see I am based in Auckland, New Zealand > > Anyone wishing to talk off offline feel free to contact me. > > Regards > > Kevin Andreassend > > kevin at iceav.co.nz > > www.iceav.co.nz > > -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Aug 4 22:44:15 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: > I am the owner of www.f16simulators.com This past week I was contacted by > lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin asking me to relinquish the domain > to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They > sent me 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been > registered in many jurisdictions around the world proving ownership in > the F16 trademark. > > Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to > a product registered in law is a use of their trademark without their > permission. > If it was _me_ ( and I'm NOT a lawyer), I'd tell them that since the F-16 was developed at the request of the USAF and was paid for with public funds, they can go pound sand. According to this page: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=n6qap2.2.3 "F-16" was not registered by Lockmart until July 12, 2004. So it took them over 20 years to register a trademark? (The F-16 program started in 1974) Your domain was registered in 2003, prior to the registration of their trademark. If you have the time, I'd fight this as hard as you can. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Aug 4 22:45:05 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <000701c7d6fd$dd0809f0$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Message-ID: > Two choices really, you can just do what they want or tell them to go shove > it. At which point you'd then find out how serious they are and if they are > willing to spend the money to come after your domain name. > They can also get WIPO to screw him out of it. :( g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jimsturs at parambus.com Sat Aug 4 23:57:47 2007 From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:57:47 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <001301c7d72d$ee776250$6400a8c0@RITASYS1> Hi All, this is certainly true with certain aspects of aircraft manufacturers brandnamed products. A few years back I was involved with a company that was designing commercial Boeing 737 simulators. It was at this time that we found out the legal implications of this project. As far as Boeing is concerned, you may NOT use either the Boeing name, nor the 737 number if related to any product type that is representative of the B737 series; IF this is for commercial purposes. If you wish to do this, Boeing will very kindly SELL you a Commercial License for the names and will also provide you with a DATA-PACK giving all the information about the specific aircraft that you will ever need for constructing a realistically responsive simulator. This is very nice of Boeing. However, the down side is that this license will cost you approx $1,000,000.- (one million dollars). The company paid this and are now successfully producing B737-800 sims for about $7,000,000.- a pop. The license and data-pack are on a per aircraft-version basis. If you want to produce a different aircraft in the series, you have to pay a separate fee for this. I would not be surprised if a similar situation exists with other mainline manufacturers. The way that this affects our community is basically, you can probably get away with constructing your own B737-xxx simulator for PERSONAL USE without any hassle. You may run into problems if you try to sell this unit openly with the Boeing/737 name attached on somewhere like eBay. This then makes it COMMERCIAL. I already know of one eBay item a while back that ran into trouble because it was described as a 737 simulator. Legally, even if you build a sim and take it to an exhibition, you are not allowed to have the name Boeing or 737 on any labels or parts in the simulator. You can probably get around this by saying that the sim is a generic twin-engined jet airliner simulator based on the B737. Most of the time you can get away with using the brandnames anyway as what we mostly do is described as a hobby. but if you decide to expand and start making money out of it, remember that these legal aspects do not just go away. It all depends whether the aircraft manufacturers consider you a nuisance enough to take action. The real trick is to keep a low profile (fly under the radar) and not get noticed. The company that was going to produce commercial simulators is very obvious and had to follow the Boeing requirements. Small fry (simmers) that are not going to eat into any of Boeings customer base etc, will probably be OK even if they are using the brandnames. One thing to remember, Boeing has a lot more legal staff than probably most of us can afford to go up against. Sorry about the long diatribe, but many people do not realise the real legal situation. Unfortunately, I cannot say how this affects website names and other uses, (this comes under local country copyright and trademark laws) but I thought that our community should be aware of the major aspects of our situation. All the best, Jim. _____ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of kevin at simdeck.com Sent: 05 August 2007 01:16 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name Hi Folks I posted this entry earlier but not sure if it went thru as I received an error message... A number of you own web site domains that contain names relating to craft owned (trademark) by the major aviation companies. I am the owner of www.f16simulators.com This past week I was contacted by lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin asking me to relinquish the domain to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They sent me 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been registered in many jurisdictions around the world proving ownership in the F16 trademark. Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to a product registered in law is a use of their trademark without their permission. Has anyone ever had a similar approach. I must admit I am puzzled why I have been targeted when I see so many others out there containing F16, F15, 737 etc in all types of iterations. I have been asked for a reply and action within 30 days. Has anyone else had a similar issue to deal with? If you do a whois search you'll see I am based in Auckland, New Zealand Anyone wishing to talk off offline feel free to contact me. Regards Kevin Andreassend kevin at iceav.co.nz www.iceav.co.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070804/8db6761d/attachment-0001.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 5 00:00:36 2007 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <995072.61389.qm@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice work there g. Jay Gene Buckle wrote: > I am the owner of www.f16simulators.com This past week I was contacted by > lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin asking me to relinquish the domain > to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They > sent me 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been > registered in many jurisdictions around the world proving ownership in > the F16 trademark. > > Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to > a product registered in law is a use of their trademark without their > permission. > If it was _me_ ( and I'm NOT a lawyer), I'd tell them that since the F-16 was developed at the request of the USAF and was paid for with public funds, they can go pound sand. According to this page: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=n6qap2.2.3 "F-16" was not registered by Lockmart until July 12, 2004. So it took them over 20 years to register a trademark? (The F-16 program started in 1974) Your domain was registered in 2003, prior to the registration of their trademark. If you have the time, I'd fight this as hard as you can. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070805/12307c72/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 5 00:06:02 2007 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <001301c7d72d$ee776250$6400a8c0@RITASYS1> Message-ID: <99459.40031.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's a pretty good post there Jim, thanks for the info. I know when I formed my LLC, part of my business plan was to lease out the sim for special events...much like what Justin and those guys do at air shows. I'll be careful to fly under the radar for these types of events. I doubt, however, that I would be a big enough fish to fry. Jay Jims Parambus Account wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Hi All, this is certainly true with certain aspects of aircraft manufacturers brandnamed products. A few years back I was involved with a company that was designing commercial Boeing 737 simulators. It was at this time that we found out the legal implications of this project. As far as Boeing is concerned, you may NOT use either the Boeing name, nor the 737 number if related to any product type that is representative of the B737 series; IF this is for commercial purposes. If you wish to do this, Boeing will very kindly SELL you a Commercial License for the names and will also provide you with a DATA-PACK giving all the information about the specific aircraft that you will ever need for constructing a realistically responsive simulator. This is very nice of Boeing. However, the down side is that this license will cost you approx $1,000,000.- (one million dollars). The company paid this and are now successfully producing B737-800 sims for about $7,000,000.- a pop. The license and data-pack are on a per aircraft-version basis. If you want to produce a different aircraft in the series, you have to pay a separate fee for this. I would not be surprised if a similar situation exists with other mainline manufacturers. The way that this affects our community is basically, you can probably get away with constructing your own B737-xxx simulator for PERSONAL USE without any hassle. You may run into problems if you try to sell this unit openly with the Boeing/737 name attached on somewhere like eBay. This then makes it COMMERCIAL. I already know of one eBay item a while back that ran into trouble because it was described as a 737 simulator. Legally, even if you build a sim and take it to an exhibition, you are not allowed to have the name Boeing or 737 on any labels or parts in the simulator. You can probably get around this by saying that the sim is a generic twin-engined jet airliner simulator based on the B737. Most of the time you can get away with using the brandnames anyway as what we mostly do is described as a hobby. but if you decide to expand and start making money out of it, remember that these legal aspects do not just go away. It all depends whether the aircraft manufacturers consider you a nuisance enough to take action. The real trick is to keep a low profile (fly under the radar) and not get noticed. The company that was going to produce commercial simulators is very obvious and had to follow the Boeing requirements. Small fry (simmers) that are not going to eat into any of Boeings customer base etc, will probably be OK even if they are using the brandnames. One thing to remember, Boeing has a lot more legal staff than probably most of us can afford to go up against. Sorry about the long diatribe, but many people do not realise the real legal situation. Unfortunately, I cannot say how this affects website names and other uses, (this comes under local country copyright and trademark laws) but I thought that our community should be aware of the major aspects of our situation. All the best, Jim. --------------------------------- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of kevin at simdeck.com Sent: 05 August 2007 01:16 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name Hi Folks I posted this entry earlier but not sure if it went thru as I received an error message... A number of you own web site domains that contain names relating to craft owned (trademark) by the major aviation companies. I am the owner of www.f16simulatorscom This past week I was contacted by lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin asking me to relinquish the domain to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They sent me 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been registered in many jurisdictions around the world proving ownership in the F16 trademark. Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to a product registered in law is a use of their trademark without their permission. Has anyone ever had a similar approach. I must admit I am puzzled why I have been targeted when I see so many others out there containing F16, F15, 737 etc in all types of iterations. I have been asked for a reply and action within 30 days. Has anyone else had a similar issue to deal with? If you do a whois search you?ll see I am based in Auckland, New Zealand Anyone wishing to talk off offline feel free to contact me. Regards Kevin Andreassend kevin at iceav.co.nz www.iceav.co.nz _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070805/79aa6ff8/attachment-0001.html From allendc at qwest.net Sun Aug 5 08:14:32 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:14:32 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: References: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20070805151646.248991A9811@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Gene is right on! Look at what this guy has been through: http://www.nissan.com/Digest/The_Story.php David At 10:44 PM 8/4/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > I am the owner of www.f16simulators.com This past week I was contacted by > > lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin asking me to relinquish the domain > > to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They > > sent me 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been > > registered in many jurisdictions around the world proving ownership in > > the F16 trademark. > > > > Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to > > a product registered in law is a use of their trademark without their > > permission. > > > >If it was _me_ ( and I'm NOT a lawyer), I'd tell them that since the F-16 >was developed at the request of the USAF and was paid for with public >funds, they can go pound sand. > >According to this page: >http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=n6qap2.2.3 > >"F-16" was not registered by Lockmart until July 12, 2004. >So it took them over 20 years to register a trademark? (The F-16 program >started in 1974) > >Your domain was registered in 2003, prior to the registration of their >trademark. If you have the time, I'd fight this as hard as you can. > >g. > > > > -- >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2438 (20070805) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From cyplesma at aol.com Sun Aug 5 08:50:52 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:50:52 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <20070805151646.248991A9811@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <20070805151646.248991A9811@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <8C9A58F89862B0D-740-2B27@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> The word simulators certainly is not a copyright term, but I did go to the f16simulators site and it looks like the guy has stopped using it. So maybe we can just boycott the site and any products they sell. I'm expecting any products and services of the site will be too expensive for most of us any way. Yes a classic example of butcher economics. http://www.nissan.com/Digest/The_Story.php -----Original Message----- From: David C. Allen To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:14 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name Gene is right on! Look at what this guy has been through: http://www.nissan.com/Digest/The_Story.php David At 10:44 PM 8/4/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > I am the owner of www.f16simulators.com This past week I was contacted by > > lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin asking me to relinquish the domain > > to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They > > sent me 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been > > registered in many jurisdictions around the world proving ownership in > > the F16 trademark. > > > > Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to > > a product registered in law is a use of their trademark without their > > permission. > > > >If it was _me_ ( and I'm NOT a lawyer), I'd tell them that since the F-16 >was developed at the request of the USAF and was paid for with public >funds, they can go pound sand. > >According to this page: >http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=n6qap2.2.3 > >"F-16" was not registered by Lockmart until July 12, 2004. >So it took them over 20 years to register a trademark? (The F-16 program >started in 1974) > >Your domain was registered in 2003, prior to the registration of their >trademark. If you have the time, I'd fight this as hard as you can. > >g. > > > > -- >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2438 (20070805) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070805/7dbfdc6a/attachment.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun Aug 5 11:05:47 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:05:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <20070805151646.248991A9811@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, David C. Allen wrote: > Gene is right on! > > Look at what this guy has been through: > > http://www.nissan.com/Digest/The_Story.php > That's a pretty disgusting story if you believe all you read. didn't this happen ages ago with macdonalds.com ?? iirc an old-timer (Mr MacDonald) ran a hardware store that had been in his family for years. Mickey D's tried to get the domain off him via the courts and the courts threw it out since he was using his own name and posed no commercial threat. I think Mickey D's ending paying a LOT of money to buy the domain off him. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cyplesma at aol.com Sun Aug 5 10:42:29 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:42:29 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C9A59F2104E545-D58-A04F@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> there was a lot of those internet domain name situations that went either way in the 90's. just like fighting over the ole west. what was the fonda movie where her dad was run off his property by the local big business with help from the local sheriff? cat boulou? -----Original Message----- From: Roy Coates To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 2:05 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, David C. Allen wrote: > Gene is right on! > > Look at what this guy has been through: > > http://www.nissan.com/Digest/The_Story.php > That's a pretty disgusting story if you believe all you read. didn't this happen ages ago with macdonalds.com ?? iirc an old-timer (Mr MacDonald) ran a hardware store that had been in his family for years. Mickey D's tried to get the domain off him via the courts and the courts threw it out since he was using his own name and posed no commercial threat. I think Mickey D's ending paying a LOT of money to buy the domain off him. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070805/bbf0d3e7/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Aug 5 13:48:20 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 13:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <995072.61389.qm@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Nice work there g. > > Jay > Thanks Jay. Another thing I thought of this morning - "F-16" is a type designation assigned by the DoD and as such, I don't think it is even legal to trademark it. Again, I'm not a lawyer, so one should be consulted. Boeing and 7n7 is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. They're commercially produced products with no public funding, so if they yell at you, I strongly suggest you break speed records in attempting to comply. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Aug 5 13:56:04 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 13:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <8C9A58F89862B0D-740-2B27@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > The word simulators certainly is not a copyright term, but I did go to > the f16simulators site and it looks like the guy has stopped using it. > So maybe we can just boycott the site and any products they sell. I'm > expecting any products and services of the site will be too expensive > for most of us any way. You misunderstand, the f16simulators.com site is the _victim_ here. If you're going to boycott something, make sure it's a Lockheed-Martin product and not some poor guy that is being strong-armed by a fucking lawyer. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun Aug 5 15:42:39 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:42:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: <8C9A59F2104E545-D58-A04F@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 cyplesma at aol.com wrote: > > there was a lot of those internet domain name situations that went either way in the 90's. > > just like fighting over the ole west. > > what was the fonda movie where her dad was run off his property by the local big business with help from the local sheriff? cat boulou? > In the case of the nissan domain, I think it stinks that the courts even entertained the japanese case. Horribly unfair but if you have enough money... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun Aug 5 15:44:52 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:44:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > The word simulators certainly is not a copyright term, but I did go to > > the f16simulators site and it looks like the guy has stopped using it. > > So maybe we can just boycott the site and any products they sell. I'm > > expecting any products and services of the site will be too expensive > > for most of us any way. > > > You misunderstand, the f16simulators.com site is the _victim_ here. If > you're going to boycott something, make sure it's a Lockheed-Martin > product and not some poor guy that is being strong-armed by a fucking > lawyer. Y'know, I think that's what cranks my handle more than anything else here, the strong-arm tactics. Frighten the sucker!! A simple letter asking nicely (and giving a sane reason) would often likely yield the result they want I suspect. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Sun Aug 5 17:06:11 2007 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:06:11 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name Message-ID: <20070806000611.BBB94478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> The word combination f-16 is a word or type mark according to the USPTO (United States Patents and Trademarks Office. The Patent office is going to be given a severe make over in the near future thanks in part to lawyers and companies filing for patents and trademarks in which they do not even own. The trademark F-16 has 22 different trademarks at this time some of which(five I believe) are at this time dead. The type mark F16 has 5 total type or word marks of which 2 are dead. Lockheed Martin has filed specific word marks and their usage, none of which currently show an aircraft, there is one for a game, at least two for hats and t-shirts. A review of the US Patents and Trademarks site should give you some indication as to if they have a valid claim upon your usage of the "trademark". There is no trade mark or word mark for the usage of "f16simulators", or "f16simulator". There are currently 6,530,000 web pages using the f-16 combination most of which I suspect are not owned by Lockheed Martin. How much dilution of the trademark do you think you have contributed. That is part of the argument that the lawyer will have to make in a legal case that your usage dilutes the value of their trademark. I am not even convinced they have the right to the f-16 trademark as Gene pointed out it is a US military designation. This should place it into the public domain, as I understand US law, and I am not a lawyer, consult one. Several years ago the film company Paramount Picture aggressively fought all comers on the usage of the word mark "STAR TREK". They managed to alienate their fan base in their effort to protect their trademark. Paramount has since greatly reduced their efforts in this pursuit. Lawyers learn from other lawyers and when they see an avenue for easy money they will go for it, like sharks drawn to blood. The trademark lawyer is the modern day equivalent of the ambulance chaser. You are asking yourself can they sue me, the answer to that question is yes, they certainly can. The answer to that question is ambiguous can they win, maybe. How much will it cost, how much have you got. How much effort is this for the lawyer, none. I suspect that the aircraft as it is being phased out means that they are currently looking for alternative sources of income. Consult a lawyer. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From SukitS at state.gov Sun Aug 5 18:51:33 2007 From: SukitS at state.gov (Sittisudjatum, Sukit ) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:51:33 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name References: <20070806000611.BBB94478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <08987840E06E98429FB92737378EB848E6EC28@bangkokmb03.eap.state.sbu> I also happened to me when I registered a domain name in 2003, then the local airliner (charter service) representative approached me last 2 months. They didn't come with all the legal stuff to make me sick, but they just asked if I can sell the domain name which wasn't used since I registered it (well, I didn't mean to get rich by registering the name, it just happened that the names are matched). The airliner was found many years back, of course. I really don't know how to do if they call me again, I'm not a lawyer. A friend of mine told me its time to get some $$$ for my flights im hobby. But if they approach with the legal things, what I should really react? Totally blind. I don't think our local laws cover this issue ... So, the result is unpredictable. But I will very upset (but probably have to admit) if there's an international law for this case when you are approached by the big guy (like your case Kevin) who claims that it's his right to have the name, and you have to let your domain names go with them. Just like we registered it, we have it for years, and finally have to say good bye. Sukit Sittisudjatum -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hommel Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 7:06 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name The word combination f-16 is a word or type mark according to the USPTO (United States Patents and Trademarks Office. The Patent office is going to be given a severe make over in the near future thanks in part to lawyers and companies filing for patents and trademarks in which they do not even own. The trademark F-16 has 22 different trademarks at this time some of which(five I believe) are at this time dead. The type mark F16 has 5 total type or word marks of which 2 are dead. Lockheed Martin has filed specific word marks and their usage, none of which currently show an aircraft, there is one for a game, at least two for hats and t-shirts. A review of the US Patents and Trademarks site should give you some indication as to if they have a valid claim upon your usage of the "trademark". There is no trade mark or word mark for the usage of "f16simulators", or "f16simulator". There are currently 6,530,000 web pages using the f-16 combination most of which I suspect are not owned by Lockheed Martin. How much dilution of the trademark do you think you have contributed. That is part of the argument that the lawyer will have to make in a legal case that your usage dilutes the value of their trademark. I am not even convinced they have the right to the f-16 trademark as Gene pointed out it is a US military designation. This should place it into the public domain, as I understand US law, and I am not a lawyer, consult one. Several years ago the film company Paramount Picture aggressively fought all comers on the usage of the word mark "STAR TREK". They managed to alienate their fan base in their effort to protect their trademark. Paramount has since greatly reduced their efforts in this pursuit. Lawyers learn from other lawyers and when they see an avenue for easy money they will go for it, like sharks drawn to blood. The trademark lawyer is the modern day equivalent of the ambulance chaser. You are asking yourself can they sue me, the answer to that question is yes, they certainly can. The answer to that question is ambiguous can they win, maybe. How much will it cost, how much have you got. How much effort is this for the lawyer, none. I suspect that the aircraft as it is being phased out means that they are currently looking for alternative sources of income. Consult a lawyer. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From SukitS at state.gov Sun Aug 5 18:56:58 2007 From: SukitS at state.gov (Sittisudjatum, Sukit ) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:56:58 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name References: <20070804161545.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.2f9aa6bf68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <001301c7d72d$ee776250$6400a8c0@RITASYS1> Message-ID: <08987840E06E98429FB92737378EB848E6EC29@bangkokmb03.eap.state.sbu> Jim, Thank you so much, it's a very informative suggestion. I presume that this can be also applied to all the sim type from any manufacturer! So, the buttom line is "Avoid using the names, and fly low!" Sukit Sittisudjatum _____ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jims Parambus Account Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 1:58 PM To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name Hi All, this is certainly true with certain aspects of aircraft manufacturers brandnamed products. A few years back I was involved with a company that was designing commercial Boeing 737 simulators. It was at this time that we found out the legal implications of this project. As far as Boeing is concerned, you may NOT use either the Boeing name, nor the 737 number if related to any product type that is representative of the B737 series; IF this is for commercial purposes. If you wish to do this, Boeing will very kindly SELL you a Commercial License for the names and will also provide you with a DATA-PACK giving all the information about the specific aircraft that you will ever need for constructing a realistically responsive simulator. This is very nice of Boeing. However, the down side is that this license will cost you approx $1,000,000.- (one million dollars). The company paid this and are now successfully producing B737-800 sims for about $7,000,000.- a pop. The license and data-pack are on a per aircraft-version basis. If you want to produce a different aircraft in the series, you have to pay a separate fee for this. I would not be surprised if a similar situation exists with other mainline manufacturers. The way that this affects our community is basically, you can probably get away with constructing your own B737-xxx simulator for PERSONAL USE without any hassle. You may run into problems if you try to sell this unit openly with the Boeing/737 name attached on somewhere like eBay. This then makes it COMMERCIAL. I already know of one eBay item a while back that ran into trouble because it was described as a 737 simulator. Legally, even if you build a sim and take it to an exhibition, you are not allowed to have the name Boeing or 737 on any labels or parts in the simulator. You can probably get around this by saying that the sim is a generic twin-engined jet airliner simulator based on the B737. Most of the time you can get away with using the brandnames anyway as what we mostly do is described as a hobby. but if you decide to expand and start making money out of it, remember that these legal aspects do not just go away. It all depends whether the aircraft manufacturers consider you a nuisance enough to take action. The real trick is to keep a low profile (fly under the radar) and not get noticed. The company that was going to produce commercial simulators is very obvious and had to follow the Boeing requirements. Small fry (simmers) that are not going to eat into any of Boeings customer base etc, will probably be OK even if they are using the brandnames. One thing to remember, Boeing has a lot more legal staff than probably most of us can afford to go up against. Sorry about the long diatribe, but many people do not realise the real legal situation. Unfortunately, I cannot say how this affects website names and other uses, (this comes under local country copyright and trademark laws) but I thought that our community should be aware of the major aspects of our situation. All the best, Jim. _____ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of kevin at simdeck.com Sent: 05 August 2007 01:16 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Web site registeration issue using F16 plane name Hi Folks I posted this entry earlier but not sure if it went thru as I received an error message... A number of you own web site domains that contain names relating to craft owned (trademark) by the major aviation companies. I am the owner of www.f16simulatorscom This past week I was contacted by lawyers in Newark for Lockheed Martin asking me to relinquish the domain to them or let it expire in a few years without making use of it. They sent me 5mb of trade mark registration documents where F16 has been registered in many jurisdictions around the world proving ownership in the F16 trademark. Stating that my ownership of a web site that includes F16 in relation to a product registered in law is a use of their trademark without their permission. Has anyone ever had a similar approach. I must admit I am puzzled why I have been targeted when I see so many others out there containing F16, F15, 737 etc in all types of iterations. I have been asked for a reply and action within 30 days. Has anyone else had a similar issue to deal with? If you do a whois search you'll see I am based in Auckland, New Zealand Anyone wishing to talk off offline feel free to contact me. Regards Kevin Andreassend kevin at iceav.co.nz www.iceav.co.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm > expecting any products and services of the site will be too expensive > for most of us any way. You misunderstand, the f16simulators.com site is the _victim_ here. If you're going to boycott something, make sure it's a Lockheed-Martin product and not some poor guy that is being strong-armed by a fucking lawyer. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070809/cf912acc/attachment.html From pongprom at mac.com Fri Aug 10 02:36:27 2007 From: pongprom at mac.com (Pongprom) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:36:27 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] C130 for sale In-Reply-To: <8C9A8DE5EC458A0-C80-2D44@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> References: <009701c7daaa$c27d1020$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2> <8C9A8DE5EC458A0-C80-2D44@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <172AB394-7FC0-404E-BD0D-F7BFBC5A663D@mac.com> Oh... This is very nice. ! I love this big bird. I used to flew with this bird once, when I had the concert for military campaigne long time ago. yeah... and officers allowed me to sat in the cockpit. Landing experience was fantastic like sitting in the glass dome,see the horizon line and big landscape ahead when the plane aligned to the runway. It was smooth than I have thought before. never forget it. -PS From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 19:08:39 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-4J pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <839708.51466.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey guys, here are a couple of older pics that I posted at Viperpits. http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=2855.msg36902;topicseen#new Now that Falcon supports 2 engine jets, specifically the Phantom, I just have to install Falcon on the sim. Justin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Aug 20 07:41:08 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:41:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Ideas Needed for Yoke resistance ! Message-ID: This list is far too quiet, so here's a question for you. I'm building a 2-seater sim using real yokes, pedals etc and need/want to have the yokes and pedals both offer some resistance, and return to centre when released. I've heard of people using bungee cords - any other ideas? Thanks, Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From allendc at qwest.net Mon Aug 20 08:09:05 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:09:05 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Ideas Needed for Yoke resistance ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070820150909.E4CFA62E54C@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Hi Roy How about a cam and follower, you can adjust the cam profile to provide increasing resistance to rotating the yoke. If you have access to SolidWorks Motion you can design and model the forces and make changes before the chips fly. Also you could use a servo motor, and a motion controller. There is some software that allows to design an "Electronic spring". Then there are the bungee cords and VW steering damper methods you mentioned. David www.737FlightSim At 03:41 PM 8/20/2007 +0100, you wrote: >This list is far too quiet, so here's a question for you. > >I'm building a 2-seater sim using real yokes, pedals etc and need/want to >have the yokes and pedals both offer some resistance, and return to centre >when released. > >I've heard of people using bungee cords - any other ideas? > >Thanks, > >Roy. > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2470 (20070819) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From cyplesma at aol.com Mon Aug 20 09:54:59 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:54:59 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Ideas Needed for Yoke resistance ! In-Reply-To: <20070820150909.E4CFA62E54C@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070820150909.E4CFA62E54C@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <8C9B161FA6A68E0-CB0-2620@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com> if money is an important variable, bungee cords, heavy duty springs, next step up door cylinders use two, they bottom out pretty easy, I believe the VW dampers would be next -----Original Message----- From: David C. Allen To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:09 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Ideas Needed for Yoke resistance ! Hi Roy How about a cam and follower, you can adjust the cam profile to provide increasing resistance to rotating the yoke. If you have access to SolidWorks Motion you can design and model the forces and make changes before the chips fly. Also you could use a servo motor, and a motion controller. There is some software that allows to design an "Electronic spring". Then there are the bungee cords and VW steering damper methods you mentioned. David www.737FlightSim At 03:41 PM 8/20/2007 +0100, you wrote: >This list is far too quiet, so here's a question for you. > >I'm building a 2-seater sim using real yokes, pedals etc and need/want to >have the yokes and pedals both offer some resistance, and return to centre >when released. > >I've heard of people using bungee cords - any other ideas? > >Thanks, > >Roy. > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. 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(Beer/Crackers) Vs (Wine/cheese) So I just located a bunch of 1/2 amp circuit breakers and re-labeled them to match the amp legend that was needed at that panel location. You can use an SCR, an DC Current Limiting Power supply too trip a normal 1/2 amp Circuit Breaker. David www.737FlightSim.com At 05:18 PM 8/22/2007 -0400, you wrote: >I knew they had to exist: > >http://www.peerlesselectronics.com/klixon.0.html > >Look at the very bottom, "Simulator Series." Circuit >breakers specifically for aircraft sims. No idea on >pricing, though... > >Brian > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2476 (20070822) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Aug 22 15:01:17 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Simulator Circuit Breakers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Brian Sikkema wrote: > I knew they had to exist: > > http://www.peerlesselectronics.com/klixon.0.html > > Look at the very bottom, "Simulator Series." Circuit > breakers specifically for aircraft sims. No idea on > pricing, though... > I would imagine it's a case if you have to ask, probably can't afford them. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Wed Aug 22 22:28:15 2007 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:28:15 +0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Simulator Circuit Breakers References: Message-ID: <002001c7e546$699df720$0b00000a@BenLaptop> If i recall correctly this company will sell these once a order has been accepted , for a small run of 100 units the cost is more than buying off the shelf mill spec klixon cb's Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sikkema" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:18 AM Subject: [simpits-tech] Simulator Circuit Breakers >I knew they had to exist: > > http://www.peerlesselectronics.com/klixon.0.html > > Look at the very bottom, "Simulator Series." Circuit > breakers specifically for aircraft sims. No idea on > pricing, though... > > Brian > From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Aug 23 00:25:09 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:25:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Simulator Circuit Breakers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Brian Sikkema wrote: > I knew they had to exist: > > http://www.peerlesselectronics.com/klixon.0.html > > Look at the very bottom, "Simulator Series." Circuit > breakers specifically for aircraft sims. No idea on > pricing, though... Simkits do sim circuit breakers, have done for ages! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Fri Aug 24 23:30:03 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Ribbon cable Message-ID: <117110.28468.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I need a source for 50 pin ribbon cables for Simkits multicontroller, anyone have a source? Thanks, Justin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From idekkers at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 00:26:53 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:26:53 +0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Ribbon cable In-Reply-To: <117110.28468.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <117110.28468.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0708250026m415051f7ne571e70bc73d985a@mail.gmail.com> well i don't know what they are using but a 50 pin cable sounds like a narrow SCSI cable. Ido On 8/25/07, Justin Messenger wrote: > > I need a source for 50 pin ribbon cables for Simkits > multicontroller, anyone have a source? > > Thanks, > Justin > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! 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Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 03:17:08 2007 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Ribbon cable In-Reply-To: <003601c7e6ec$ced5fff0$0201a8c0@Franks> Message-ID: <491317.53160.qm@web81611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How much 50 pin cable do you need? I have some I could sell you and crimp to custom lengths if you want. Email me at flightsystemsltd at sbcglobal.net if interested. Jay Frank Riedel wrote: www.rsonline.com Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Justin Messenger Sendt: 25. august 2007 08:30 Til: Simpits-tech at simpits.org Emne: [simpits-tech] Ribbon cable I need a source for 50 pin ribbon cables for Simkits multicontroller, anyone have a source? Thanks, Justin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070825/f77e7877/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Aug 25 09:24:10 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Ribbon cable In-Reply-To: <117110.28468.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I need a source for 50 pin ribbon cables for Simkits > multicontroller, anyone have a source? > Try Mouser (http://www.mouser.com), DigiKey (http://www.digikey.com) or All Electronics (http://www.allelectronics.com) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 27 10:16:39 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] site update! Message-ID: Pics of the new cradle for the F-15 are up. Check it out! http://www.f15sim.com g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 27 15:50:36 2007 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:50:36 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] site update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01c7e8fc$af106b80$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Sweet, did you guys fab that yourself? Oh, and I'm still green with envy of that Man Cave you have there. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:17 PM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc: simpits-chat at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] site update! Pics of the new cradle for the F-15 are up. Check it out! http://www.f15sim.com g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 27 16:54:48 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] site update! In-Reply-To: <003b01c7e8fc$af106b80$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Message-ID: > Sweet, did you guys fab that yourself? > > Oh, and I'm still green with envy of that Man Cave you have there. > Thanks Jay. The frame was built by my neighbor. He scratch builds custom cars & hotrods. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 03:43:43 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:43:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] site update! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > Pics of the new cradle for the F-15 are up. Check it out! > Sweeeeeeeet ! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at grumble.deltasoft.com Thu Aug 30 20:56:10 2007 From: geneb at grumble.deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:56:10 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... Message-ID: <20070831035610.GB32069@grumble.deltasoft.com> I put a new spam filter in place on the simpits.org mail server and I wanted to make sure it wasn't snagging list traffic. :) g. From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Thu Aug 30 22:16:35 2007 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:16:35 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... Message-ID: <20070831051635.2FD301BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Things seem to be working here. rh I put a new spam filter in place on the simpits.org mail server and I wanted to make sure it wasn't snagging list traffic. :) g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From surfer.man at free.fr Thu Aug 30 22:25:35 2007 From: surfer.man at free.fr (Jean-Yves Surfin') Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:25:35 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... In-Reply-To: <20070831035610.GB32069@grumble.deltasoft.com> References: <20070831035610.GB32069@grumble.deltasoft.com> Message-ID: <000301c7eb8f$5c5a9740$150fc5c0$@man@free.fr> Hi Seems ok JY -----Message d'origine----- De?: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] De la part de Gene Buckle Envoy??: vendredi 31 ao?t 2007 05:56 ??: simpits-tech at simpits.org Objet?: [simpits-tech] testing... I put a new spam filter in place on the simpits.org mail server and I wanted to make sure it wasn't snagging list traffic. :) g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From idekkers at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 22:47:23 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:47:23 +0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... In-Reply-To: <-8387997432106691664@unknownmsgid> References: <20070831035610.GB32069@grumble.deltasoft.com> <-8387997432106691664@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0708302247u34282670gb2852121d086f350@mail.gmail.com> yup, working fine, which filter are you using ? I'm currently looking for one my self Ido On 8/31/07, Jean-Yves Surfin' wrote: > > Hi > > Seems ok > > JY > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] De la part de Gene Buckle > Envoy?: vendredi 31 ao?t 2007 05:56 > ?: simpits-tech at simpits.org > Objet: [simpits-tech] testing... > > I put a new spam filter in place on the simpits.org mail server > and I wanted to make sure it wasn't snagging list traffic. :) > > g. > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070830/b01d1317/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 30 23:24:08 2007 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:24:08 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... In-Reply-To: <20070831035610.GB32069@grumble.deltasoft.com> References: <20070831035610.GB32069@grumble.deltasoft.com> Message-ID: <002301c7eb97$89c533e0$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Doing well here as well. jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:56 PM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... I put a new spam filter in place on the simpits.org mail server and I wanted to make sure it wasn't snagging list traffic. :) g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at grumble.deltasoft.com Fri Aug 31 06:38:38 2007 From: geneb at grumble.deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:38:38 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0708302247u34282670gb2852121d086f350@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070831035610.GB32069@grumble.deltasoft.com> <-8387997432106691664@unknownmsgid> <39e5de8d0708302247u34282670gb2852121d086f350@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070831133838.GA6442@grumble.deltasoft.com> On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 08:47:23AM +0300, Ido Dekkers wrote: > yup, working fine, > > which filter are you using ? > I'm currently looking for one my self > > Ido > Ido, I'm using spamassassin and amavisd. g. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Fri Aug 31 11:13:03 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:13:03 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... Message-ID: <79eaf7213389434dbfb385ed734ba47d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> I've heard good things about spamassassin, IIRC. All's quiet on the Western Front... >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at grumble.deltasoft.com] >Sent : 8/31/2007 9:38:38 AM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] testing... > >On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 08:47:23AM +0300, Ido Dekkers wrote: > yup, working fine, > > which filter are you using ? > I'm currently looking for one my self > > Ido > Ido, I'm using spamassassin and amavisd. g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at grumble.deltasoft.com Fri Aug 31 13:46:37 2007 From: geneb at grumble.deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... In-Reply-To: <79eaf7213389434dbfb385ed734ba47d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <79eaf7213389434dbfb385ed734ba47d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > I've heard good things about spamassassin, IIRC. > > All's quiet on the Western Front... What's really blown me away is the fact that the spam traffic against the simpits* lists has gone from ~500 in a 24 hour period, to ZERO. I'm a very happy man. :) g. From idekkers at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 14:13:23 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 00:13:23 +0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... In-Reply-To: References: <79eaf7213389434dbfb385ed734ba47d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0708311413l15fd3518ted639c6d59b868ee@mail.gmail.com> my problem is i'm using lotus domino and there arn't so many solution for that. i guess i'll have to use a gateway before the mail server to handle the spam ? though i don't want another computer running, even if it is just a virtual one Ido On 8/31/07, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > I've heard good things about spamassassin, IIRC. > > > > All's quiet on the Western Front... > > > What's really blown me away is the fact that the spam traffic against the > simpits* lists has gone from ~500 in a 24 hour period, to ZERO. > > I'm a very happy man. :) > > g. > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070831/dbff3d44/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Aug 31 15:18:50 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0708311413l15fd3518ted639c6d59b868ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eaf7213389434dbfb385ed734ba47d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <39e5de8d0708311413l15fd3518ted639c6d59b868ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > my problem is i'm using lotus domino and there arn't so many solution for > that. > i guess i'll have to use a gateway before the mail server to handle the spam > ? > I'm using Postfix as my MTA and it's pretty flexible. g. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 15:48:10 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:48:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] testing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > my problem is i'm using lotus domino and there arn't so many solution for > > that. > > i guess i'll have to use a gateway before the mail server to handle the spam > > ? > > > > I'm using Postfix as my MTA and it's pretty flexible. > Just switched to that from Qmail (and exim before that). It seems to be a helluva lot easier to manage! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------