From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Mon Apr  2 15:26:46 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:26:46 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] G-suit pressures
Message-ID: <33678ff55f684fc1a9bfb716fd3d2b5d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Well guys, so far no luck on the mask PSI's, have
some people I'm gonna ask tomorrow, though. But I did
just come across this about G-suits:

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA320273

This seems to suggest pressures of 4-8PSI for G-suit
inflations.

I'll let you guys know if I come up with anything
about the masks. I'm gonna ask around our life
support shop tomorrow. If they don't know, the
maintenance guys might. After that I'm out of ideas.

Brian


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Mon Apr  2 15:41:27 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:41:27 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Mask pressure - a ballpark
Message-ID: <138c992fd9cb41089d2c17914c1ee3b2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

http://archives.sensorsmag.com/articles/0402/59/main.shtml

This article is talking about a G-sensitive
regulator, the CRU-103. This is what it has to say:

"In operation, the bellows are typically triggered at
3.5 g?s, releasing oxygen under pressure at 0.1 psi.
Supply pressure increases gradually to 1.0 psi at 9 g?s."

I believe the 0.1 psi and 1.0 psi are actually a
pressure DIFFERENTIAL, meaning it would be that much
over ambient. Anything under 3.5 g's and you'd just
be breathing air at ambient pressure.

That makes a lot of sense, when you think about it.
For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of
breathing through one of these regulators in real
life, when the regulator is in "normal" mode (as
opposed to emergency - the pressure breathing
setting) it's basically just like breathing
regularly. If your hose wasn't connected to anything
at all, that would be what it's like. Because in our
sims, that's exactly how they work it - the hoses
just don't connect to anything.

It's only when you get into the emergency setting
that you get pressure breathing. Here things get
whacky, as you have to actively exhale and passively
inhale - the exact opposite of normal breathing.

Anyway right now if I had to take a guess I'd say
that emergency pressure is probably around 1.0 psi
above ambient. I'll let you know if I find out
differently tomorrow.

Brian


From scerrito at adelphia.net  Mon Apr  2 17:30:57 2007
From: scerrito at adelphia.net (Scott A. Cerrito)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:30:57 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] G-suit pressures
References: <33678ff55f684fc1a9bfb716fd3d2b5d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <008401c77587$58b06b20$0401a8c0@darkwolf1>

Brian, that helps a great deal, confirms what I found in the patent for the 
current aircrew tester, G-Suit leak test ranges from 0-150 in/H2O or 
0-5.42psi...

Did my email I sent out last week on the Devilbiss filter system make it 
out?  I didn't hear anything for a couple of days... ???

Fly straight and safe...  Scott
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Sikkema" <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] G-suit pressures


> Well guys, so far no luck on the mask PSI's, have
> some people I'm gonna ask tomorrow, though. But I did
> just come across this about G-suits:
>
> http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA320273
>
> This seems to suggest pressures of 4-8PSI for G-suit
> inflations.
>
> I'll let you guys know if I come up with anything
> about the masks. I'm gonna ask around our life
> support shop tomorrow. If they don't know, the
> maintenance guys might. After that I'm out of ideas.
>
> Brian
>
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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr  2 19:48:14 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:48:14 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] G-suit pressures
In-Reply-To: <33678ff55f684fc1a9bfb716fd3d2b5d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <33678ff55f684fc1a9bfb716fd3d2b5d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <038401c7759a$86fe88f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

I remember when Craig "Bricklayer" and I were working on the G-suit sim
project several years back.  He said that 5psi on those speed jeans was
quite tight and that was just sitting in a static sim.  4-8 sounds about
right.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:27 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] G-suit pressures

Well guys, so far no luck on the mask PSI's, have
some people I'm gonna ask tomorrow, though. But I did
just come across this about G-suits:

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifie
r=ADA320273

This seems to suggest pressures of 4-8PSI for G-suit
inflations.

I'll let you guys know if I come up with anything
about the masks. I'm gonna ask around our life
support shop tomorrow. If they don't know, the
maintenance guys might. After that I'm out of ideas.

Brian

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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr  2 19:52:57 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:52:57 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Mask pressure - a ballpark
In-Reply-To: <138c992fd9cb41089d2c17914c1ee3b2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <138c992fd9cb41089d2c17914c1ee3b2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <038501c7759b$2f6c8410$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

I bet you're right about the gradient.  If we take a mean arterial blood
pressure of around 110 mmHg, that correlates to about 2.1 psi.  If you want
to actually push blood away from the extremities, then you need to be above
the MAP, so 3.1 would sound about right.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:41 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Mask pressure - a ballpark

http://archives.sensorsmag.com/articles/0402/59/main.shtml

This article is talking about a G-sensitive
regulator, the CRU-103. This is what it has to say:

"In operation, the bellows are typically triggered at
3.5 g's, releasing oxygen under pressure at 0.1 psi.
Supply pressure increases gradually to 1.0 psi at 9 g's."

I believe the 0.1 psi and 1.0 psi are actually a
pressure DIFFERENTIAL, meaning it would be that much
over ambient. Anything under 3.5 g's and you'd just
be breathing air at ambient pressure.

That makes a lot of sense, when you think about it.
For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of
breathing through one of these regulators in real
life, when the regulator is in "normal" mode (as
opposed to emergency - the pressure breathing
setting) it's basically just like breathing
regularly. If your hose wasn't connected to anything
at all, that would be what it's like. Because in our
sims, that's exactly how they work it - the hoses
just don't connect to anything.

It's only when you get into the emergency setting
that you get pressure breathing. Here things get
whacky, as you have to actively exhale and passively
inhale - the exact opposite of normal breathing.

Anyway right now if I had to take a guess I'd say
that emergency pressure is probably around 1.0 psi
above ambient. I'll let you know if I find out
differently tomorrow.

Brian

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Apr  3 06:52:06 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:52:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Mask pressure - a ballpark
In-Reply-To: <138c992fd9cb41089d2c17914c1ee3b2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704030651480.21245-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Anyway right now if I had to take a guess I'd say
that emergency pressure is probably around 1.0 psi
above ambient. I'll let you know if I find out
differently tomorrow.

Thanks for the info Brian!

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Tue Apr  3 06:44:33 2007
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:44:33 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Mask pressure - a ballpark
References: <138c992fd9cb41089d2c17914c1ee3b2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <005301c775f6$37120180$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

Brian,

For whats it's worth i think your bang on, with the passive and active 
breathing.

When i got to fly in a mil aircraft ( Passenger with stick time )  2 weeks 
ago with mask on, i cant give you a figure when the extra pressure kicked in 
( i was too busy recovering from a botched manovures) but for the inital 2 
breaths it really well  F*****D with my breathing.

The other thing thats anoying is when breathing normally the valve kicking 
in and out .

Anyho , i'm going out for beers this weekend guy's ill ask the questions oo.

Ben



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Sikkema" <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>
> It's only when you get into the emergency setting
> that you get pressure breathing. Here things get
> whacky, as you have to actively exhale and passively
> inhale - the exact opposite of normal breathing.
>
> Anyway right now if I had to take a guess I'd say
> that emergency pressure is probably around 1.0 psi
> above ambient. I'll let you know if I find out
> differently tomorrow.
>
> Brian
>
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From gcompc at totalspeed.net  Tue Apr  3 19:34:49 2007
From: gcompc at totalspeed.net (Greg Cropp)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:34:49 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Projector
Message-ID: <200704032027203.SM04048@Main>

If anyone is interested in a projector I have one I thought I'd offer here
first before posting on Ebay. Check it out at:
http://users.totalspeed.net/gcompc/pg-d100u/index.htm. Drop me a line if
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From chevello at rcn.com  Thu Apr  5 17:13:22 2007
From: chevello at rcn.com (KD)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:13:22 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Pressure breathing
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2978.1175552801.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
References: <mailman.2978.1175552801.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <461590A2.2060208@rcn.com>

Uh, not to be a party pooper but I think you guys are totally playing 
with fire here. I know it's cool to have the most complete and accurate 
basement sim, and I can totally understand that, but fiddling around 
with pressure breathing, and even pressurizing G-suits, in my opinion  
(as a designer of mil flight sims, hypo and hyper-baric chambers) may 
well lead to someone getting hurt.

Remember, G-suits and pressure breathing are used when pilots' bodies 
are straining under G in order to minimize some of the effects of that G 
and the blood pooling that results from it. They are there to counteract 
something that doesn't exist in the sims we are dealing with at home.

That's all I'm going to say. Sorry if I'm being a wet dishrag.

K

From mberget at charter.net  Thu Apr  5 21:25:57 2007
From: mberget at charter.net (Mark Berget)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:25:57 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings
Message-ID: <20070406042613.SWWP16955.aa03.charter.net@DGL1GS31>

I was wondering if there was anyone that could help me.  I have been looking
for CAD panel drawing for an F16 for some time now.  I found the
All_Panels.dwg that was posted but I cannot open it with any cad program
including Autocad 2008 AutocadLT 2008 or TurboCad.  The file appears to have
some corrupt data.  I can however view it with a viewer that I downloaded
for free from the web.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

 

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From idekkers at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 01:21:54 2007
From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:21:54 +0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings
In-Reply-To: <20070406042613.SWWP16955.aa03.charter.net@DGL1GS31>
References: <20070406042613.SWWP16955.aa03.charter.net@DGL1GS31>
Message-ID: <39e5de8d0704060121l2ed5c21co1b5ded30316f7968@mail.gmail.com>

try asking at viperpit.org/forum/index.php

Ido

On 4/6/07, Mark Berget <mberget at charter.net> wrote:
>
>  I was wondering if there was anyone that could help me.  I have been
> looking for CAD panel drawing for an F16 for some time now.  I found the
> All_Panels.dwg that was posted but I cannot open it with any cad program
> including Autocad 2008 AutocadLT 2008 or TurboCad.  The file appears to have
> some corrupt data.  I can however view it with a viewer that I downloaded
> for free from the web.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From scerrito at adelphia.net  Fri Apr  6 07:28:48 2007
From: scerrito at adelphia.net (Scott A. Cerrito)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:28:48 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Pressure breathing
References: <mailman.2978.1175552801.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
	<461590A2.2060208@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000801c77857$e4188ad0$0401a8c0@darkwolf1>

KD,

This is why I asked to be a part of this email list, you guys have the tech 
no how to fill in the blanks that I am currently missing...

Not a wet dishrag at all, i want to be sure I am safe about this, I want a 
sytem to deliver class d breathing air to my HGU33/MBU12 setup once the 
cockpit is completed.  It is not my intention to use combat edge pressures 
while sitting in my rec/office, I need a setup that will provide the minimum 
psi to the safety regulators I already have. No more, no less...   I wanted 
to be absolutely sure of the setup that I have before i strap in, you know?

Does anyone know what a TTU-529/e is?   Thats what I got, that is what will 
get gutted and installed into the console, it is not capable of providing 
combat edge (current f-15/16etc) pressures... i got pics that I will get up 
online on my website, so I can get everyones opinion prior to disaasembly of 
the unit to power the mask and g-suit...  or I can go into great detail of 
what this gizmo is, poking around the internet I came across this test unit 
on a lark...  all it does is take compressed air and provides a means of 
testing masks and g-suits... all the connections and regulators are there in 
one 50lb package...

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KD" <chevello at rcn.com>
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] Pressure breathing


> Uh, not to be a party pooper but I think you guys are totally playing
> with fire here. I know it's cool to have the most complete and accurate
> basement sim, and I can totally understand that, but fiddling around
> with pressure breathing, and even pressurizing G-suits, in my opinion
> (as a designer of mil flight sims, hypo and hyper-baric chambers) may
> well lead to someone getting hurt.
>
> Remember, G-suits and pressure breathing are used when pilots' bodies
> are straining under G in order to minimize some of the effects of that G
> and the blood pooling that results from it. They are there to counteract
> something that doesn't exist in the sims we are dealing with at home.
>
> That's all I'm going to say. Sorry if I'm being a wet dishrag.
>
> K
> _______________________________________________
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> Simpits-tech at simpits.org
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From mberget at charter.net  Fri Apr  6 08:18:55 2007
From: mberget at charter.net (Mark Berget)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:18:55 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings
In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0704060121l2ed5c21co1b5ded30316f7968@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070406151911.YEEF16955.aa03.charter.net@DGL1GS31>

Ido,

Thanks for the quick response.  Unfortunately I have never been able to get
registered with Viperpit.  I have read on there site that they have the CAD
drawings available to registered users but I have registered twice and have
never received a confirmation email - and my username password does not
work.   Do you know anyone that I can contact to help?

 

Thanks,

Mark

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ido Dekkers
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:22 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

try asking at viperpit.org/forum/index.php

Ido

On 4/6/07, Mark Berget < mberget at charter.net <mailto:mberget at charter.net> >
wrote:

I was wondering if there was anyone that could help me.  I have been looking
for CAD panel drawing for an F16 for some time now.  I found the
All_Panels.dwg that was posted but I cannot open it with any cad program
including Autocad 2008 AutocadLT 2008 or TurboCad.  The file appears to have
some corrupt data.  I can however view it with a viewer that I downloaded
for free from the web.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

 


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From idekkers at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 08:28:00 2007
From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:28:00 +0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings
In-Reply-To: <20070406151911.YEEF16955.aa03.charter.net@DGL1GS31>
References: <39e5de8d0704060121l2ed5c21co1b5ded30316f7968@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070406151911.YEEF16955.aa03.charter.net@DGL1GS31>
Message-ID: <39e5de8d0704060828p78ab7345h8d4de1b7c12624e4@mail.gmail.com>

a lot of the members, including the admins also look here :
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?s37e3219376ce6277f661ca2342be359&fH

if you post your problem there i'm sure it will be solved quickly.
I'm only a member at viperpit  - i don't have admin rights so i can't help
with the registration

Ido

On 4/6/07, Mark Berget <mberget at charter.net> wrote:
>
>  Ido,
>
> Thanks for the quick response.  Unfortunately I have never been able to
> get registered with Viperpit.  I have read on there site that they have the
> CAD drawings available to registered users but I have registered twice and
> have never received a confirmation email ? and my username password does not
> work.   Do you know anyone that I can contact to help?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:
> simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] *On Behalf Of *Ido Dekkers
> *Sent:* Friday, April 06, 2007 3:22 AM
> *To:* Simulator Cockpit tech list
> *Subject:* Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings
>
>
>
> try asking at viperpit.org/forum/index.php
>
> Ido
>
> On 4/6/07, *Mark Berget* < mberget at charter.net> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if there was anyone that could help me.  I have been
> looking for CAD panel drawing for an F16 for some time now.  I found the
> All_Panels.dwg that was posted but I cannot open it with any cad program
> including Autocad 2008 AutocadLT 2008 or TurboCad.  The file appears to have
> some corrupt data.  I can however view it with a viewer that I downloaded
> for free from the web.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  6 11:27:56 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:27:56 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings
In-Reply-To: <20070406151911.YEEF16955.aa03.charter.net@DGL1GS31>
References: <39e5de8d0704060121l2ed5c21co1b5ded30316f7968@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070406151911.YEEF16955.aa03.charter.net@DGL1GS31>
Message-ID: <013201c77879$4c732920$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

Mark, forward me you registration information and register up one more time.
Problem is we are trying to get the forum moved to different software
because we get so hammered with spam log ins yours probably looks spamish
and gets deleted.  

 

Anyone else trying to register, please fill out at least a couple of items
so that we can see it's a real person and not a spammer.  We don't want
personal information but something in the lines that make you look human and
not a spam bot.

 

Send me your stuff to crease-guardATsbcglobalDOTnet

 

Jay

 

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mark Berget
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:19 AM
To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

Ido,

Thanks for the quick response.  Unfortunately I have never been able to get
registered with Viperpit.  I have read on there site that they have the CAD
drawings available to registered users but I have registered twice and have
never received a confirmation email - and my username password does not
work.   Do you know anyone that I can contact to help?

 

Thanks,

Mark

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ido Dekkers
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:22 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

try asking at viperpit.org/forum/index.php

Ido

On 4/6/07, Mark Berget < mberget at charter.net <mailto:mberget at charter.net> >
wrote:

I was wondering if there was anyone that could help me.  I have been looking
for CAD panel drawing for an F16 for some time now.  I found the
All_Panels.dwg that was posted but I cannot open it with any cad program
including Autocad 2008 AutocadLT 2008 or TurboCad.  The file appears to have
some corrupt data.  I can however view it with a viewer that I downloaded
for free from the web.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

 


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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  6 13:14:56 2007
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon update question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3106.1175884063.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <20070406201456.60846.qmail@web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello, 
what is going on with Falcon these days? The working
RWR has really impressed me. If someone could get
multiple windows for external views to work I  would
be really tempted to try running some Phantom sims
with it to add combat capacity to them. The ability to
run SimKits gear would really rock too. Right now I am
putting SimKits in my DC-8 instrument panels and plan
to put them in the Phantoms too. The only problem Ive
had with them is with the Altimeter which I assembled
and it wont calibrate. The others have been easy to
run with FS9

Justin

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From mberget at charter.net  Sat Apr  7 10:06:11 2007
From: mberget at charter.net (Mark Berget)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:06:11 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings
In-Reply-To: <013201c77879$4c732920$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <20070407170629.NJYO10594.aa04.charter.net@DGL1GS31>

Hi Jay,

I was wondering if you got my registration information.  I tried to get on
again today and I cannot get logged in.

 

I don't mean to be pushy just excited to get going on the pit.

Mark 

 

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Fagner
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:28 PM
To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

Mark, forward me you registration information and register up one more time.
Problem is we are trying to get the forum moved to different software
because we get so hammered with spam log ins yours probably looks spamish
and gets deleted.  

 

Anyone else trying to register, please fill out at least a couple of items
so that we can see it's a real person and not a spammer.  We don't want
personal information but something in the lines that make you look human and
not a spam bot.

 

Send me your stuff to crease-guardATsbcglobalDOTnet

 

Jay

 

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mark Berget
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:19 AM
To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

Ido,

Thanks for the quick response.  Unfortunately I have never been able to get
registered with Viperpit.  I have read on there site that they have the CAD
drawings available to registered users but I have registered twice and have
never received a confirmation email - and my username password does not
work.   Do you know anyone that I can contact to help?

 

Thanks,

Mark

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ido Dekkers
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:22 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

try asking at viperpit.org/forum/index.php

Ido

On 4/6/07, Mark Berget < mberget at charter.net <mailto:mberget at charter.net> >
wrote:

I was wondering if there was anyone that could help me.  I have been looking
for CAD panel drawing for an F16 for some time now.  I found the
All_Panels.dwg that was posted but I cannot open it with any cad program
including Autocad 2008 AutocadLT 2008 or TurboCad.  The file appears to have
some corrupt data.  I can however view it with a viewer that I downloaded
for free from the web.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

 


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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  7 16:18:29 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:18:29 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings
In-Reply-To: <20070407170629.NJYO10594.aa04.charter.net@DGL1GS31>
References: <013201c77879$4c732920$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
	<20070407170629.NJYO10594.aa04.charter.net@DGL1GS31>
Message-ID: <006901c7796b$0dc00ca0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

Please contact me off this list via the email I gave and I'll get you set
up.

 

Jay

 

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From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mark Berget
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:06 PM
To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

Hi Jay,

I was wondering if you got my registration information.  I tried to get on
again today and I cannot get logged in.

 

I don't mean to be pushy just excited to get going on the pit.

Mark 

 

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Fagner
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:28 PM
To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

Mark, forward me you registration information and register up one more time.
Problem is we are trying to get the forum moved to different software
because we get so hammered with spam log ins yours probably looks spamish
and gets deleted.  

 

Anyone else trying to register, please fill out at least a couple of items
so that we can see it's a real person and not a spammer.  We don't want
personal information but something in the lines that make you look human and
not a spam bot.

 

Send me your stuff to crease-guardATsbcglobalDOTnet

 

Jay

 

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mark Berget
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:19 AM
To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

Ido,

Thanks for the quick response.  Unfortunately I have never been able to get
registered with Viperpit.  I have read on there site that they have the CAD
drawings available to registered users but I have registered twice and have
never received a confirmation email - and my username password does not
work.   Do you know anyone that I can contact to help?

 

Thanks,

Mark

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ido Dekkers
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:22 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel Drawings

 

try asking at viperpit.org/forum/index.php

Ido

On 4/6/07, Mark Berget < mberget at charter.net <mailto:mberget at charter.net> >
wrote:

I was wondering if there was anyone that could help me.  I have been looking
for CAD panel drawing for an F16 for some time now.  I found the
All_Panels.dwg that was posted but I cannot open it with any cad program
including Autocad 2008 AutocadLT 2008 or TurboCad.  The file appears to have
some corrupt data.  I can however view it with a viewer that I downloaded
for free from the web.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

 


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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu Apr 12 20:03:52 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:03:52 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] 'nother tidbit on the g-suit
Message-ID: <eeee3f49411242d4a60f9f2e37bc9f1f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

FYI, the G-suit system on the T-6A Texan II has a
pressure relief valve set for 7psi...

Thought some might be interested. ;)


From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 12:14:32 2007
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] SimKits
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3350.1176489059.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <20070413191432.11810.qmail@web52004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


> 
> Hello all, I thought Id share this email I sent to
> someone else.
> 
> 
> 
> I hope to place a couple of simkits in the Captains
> panel today. Ill have to modify the panel a bit in
> order to get the Simkits to fit perfectly in the
> holes.
> 
> The main issue with the simkits CCU2 is it is
> obviously designed for a C-172 so it is limited if
> you
> want to run more of the complex instruments
> (Altimeter, attitude indicator, VOR) than what you
> find in a C-172 cockpit. In other words it will ony
> run ONE attitude indictor, ONE HSI, and ONE
> altimeter.
> That is not a good thing with a airliner like the
> DC-8! I dont know that you can run more than one
> CCU2
> at a time either. 
> 
> Anthony is running duplicate servos on the same VOR1
> output from the CCU2 to run the VOR needles in both
> the main Horizon instrument and in a smaller standby
> 2
> inch gauge, he's using one servo for each needle
> moving slider pots to drive both of these. This is
> one
> way to run multiple complex guages that require the
> CCU2. 
> 
> He also has a Simkits altimeter and a heading
> indicator which he modified with syncros so he can
> run
> his real F-4  Phantom altimeter and HSI instruments.
> 
> The good news is there is no limit to the number of
> instruments that run from the SimKits multi
> controller
> rather than the CCU, So there is no problem at all
> with, say,  running eight or 12 engine instruments,
> or
> multiple verticle speed or airspeed indicators.
> 
> Anthony just buys servos for the multi controller
> and
> hooks the servos up to his real F-4 Phantom 
> instruments that are simple, like RPM or exaust
> temp.
> 
> 
> Justin


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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Fri Apr 13 16:12:03 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:12:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] SimKits
In-Reply-To: <20070413191432.11810.qmail@web52004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704140011180.20411-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Justin Messenger wrote:


The simkits are luvverly toys, a pricey way to build a cockpit though.

I use only one servo in the J41 cockpit for the flap position indicator
and I find that quite noisy - how's a bunch of the things !?


>
> >
> > Hello all, I thought Id share this email I sent to
> > someone else.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope to place a couple of simkits in the Captains
> > panel today. Ill have to modify the panel a bit in
> > order to get the Simkits to fit perfectly in the
> > holes.
> >
> > The main issue with the simkits CCU2 is it is
> > obviously designed for a C-172 so it is limited if
> > you
> > want to run more of the complex instruments
> > (Altimeter, attitude indicator, VOR) than what you
> > find in a C-172 cockpit. In other words it will ony
> > run ONE attitude indictor, ONE HSI, and ONE
> > altimeter.
> > That is not a good thing with a airliner like the
> > DC-8! I dont know that you can run more than one
> > CCU2
> > at a time either.
> >
> > Anthony is running duplicate servos on the same VOR1
> > output from the CCU2 to run the VOR needles in both
> > the main Horizon instrument and in a smaller standby
> > 2
> > inch gauge, he's using one servo for each needle
> > moving slider pots to drive both of these. This is
> > one
> > way to run multiple complex guages that require the
> > CCU2.
> >
> > He also has a Simkits altimeter and a heading
> > indicator which he modified with syncros so he can
> > run
> > his real F-4  Phantom altimeter and HSI instruments.
> >
> > The good news is there is no limit to the number of
> > instruments that run from the SimKits multi
> > controller
> > rather than the CCU, So there is no problem at all
> > with, say,  running eight or 12 engine instruments,
> > or
> > multiple verticle speed or airspeed indicators.
> >
> > Anthony just buys servos for the multi controller
> > and
> > hooks the servos up to his real F-4 Phantom
> > instruments that are simple, like RPM or exaust
> > temp.
> >
> >
> > Justin
>
>
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Sat Apr 14 02:12:09 2007
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:12:09 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] SimKits
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704140011180.20411-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.a c.uk>
References: <20070413191432.11810.qmail@web52004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0704140011180.20411-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <0JGH005OVDKQBU30@smtp4.clear.net.nz>

I *love* simkits' "multi-controller"... I have been playing around 
with a "ball" type ADI, ASI, flap gauge and trim gauge... some for 
the TA-4 Sim, others, well, coz I can :)

Only thing that bugs me about them is that if you stop the software, 
then re-start it the gauges dont work.  You need to disconnect the 
USB, then re-connect it before it all fires up ok.. Which is normally 
fine, but a real pain when you are experimenting (read "playing") 
with the board, and software.
Shame there is no SDK for the multi-controller, only for the CCU 
(which I am not planning on getting, as all the functions I need for 
the Skyhawk can be handled by the multi-controller)
Be nice if we could talk to it directly and not rely on the TRC software...

You know its not that long ago that working gauges in a sim was like 
the holy grail, yet now it is so totally achievable.  I am having a 
ball making gauges, to the point where I think I have all the servos 
out of all my old RC gliders and racecars :)

SeanG

At 11:12 a.m. 14/04/2007, you wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Justin Messenger wrote:
>
>
>The simkits are luvverly toys, a pricey way to build a cockpit though.
>
>I use only one servo in the J41 cockpit for the flap position indicator
>and I find that quite noisy - how's a bunch of the things !?
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Hello all, I thought Id share this email I sent to
> > > someone else.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope to place a couple of simkits in the Captains
> > > panel today. Ill have to modify the panel a bit in
> > > order to get the Simkits to fit perfectly in the
> > > holes.
> > >
> > > The main issue with the simkits CCU2 is it is
> > > obviously designed for a C-172 so it is limited if
> > > you
> > > want to run more of the complex instruments
> > > (Altimeter, attitude indicator, VOR) than what you
> > > find in a C-172 cockpit. In other words it will ony
> > > run ONE attitude indictor, ONE HSI, and ONE
> > > altimeter.
> > > That is not a good thing with a airliner like the
> > > DC-8! I dont know that you can run more than one
> > > CCU2
> > > at a time either.
> > >
> > > Anthony is running duplicate servos on the same VOR1
> > > output from the CCU2 to run the VOR needles in both
> > > the main Horizon instrument and in a smaller standby
> > > 2
> > > inch gauge, he's using one servo for each needle
> > > moving slider pots to drive both of these. This is
> > > one
> > > way to run multiple complex guages that require the
> > > CCU2.
> > >
> > > He also has a Simkits altimeter and a heading
> > > indicator which he modified with syncros so he can
> > > run
> > > his real F-4  Phantom altimeter and HSI instruments.
> > >
> > > The good news is there is no limit to the number of
> > > instruments that run from the SimKits multi
> > > controller
> > > rather than the CCU, So there is no problem at all
> > > with, say,  running eight or 12 engine instruments,
> > > or
> > > multiple verticle speed or airspeed indicators.
> > >
> > > Anthony just buys servos for the multi controller
> > > and
> > > hooks the servos up to his real F-4 Phantom
> > > instruments that are simple, like RPM or exaust
> > > temp.
> > >
> > >
> > > Justin
> >
> >
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From frank at rezultat.dk  Mon Apr 16 12:49:13 2007
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:49:13 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout
In-Reply-To: <0JGH005OVDKQBU30@smtp4.clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <002301c78060$51cca3d0$0301a8c0@Franks>

Hi All
Anybody know where to find (on the Net) a Greek F-16 layout (UptoDate)

Regards
Frank


From f16 at xflight.de  Mon Apr 16 14:09:04 2007
From: f16 at xflight.de (F16)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:09:04 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout
In-Reply-To: <002301c78060$51cca3d0$0301a8c0@Franks>
Message-ID: <000601c7806b$776b1170$14b2a8c0@DEVELOP>

Sure Frank, look here http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_doc.htm

best wishes
Martin "Pegasus"


From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 16 21:41:38 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:41:38 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Headset conversion box
In-Reply-To: <000601c7806b$776b1170$14b2a8c0@DEVELOP>
References: <002301c78060$51cca3d0$0301a8c0@Franks>
	<000601c7806b$776b1170$14b2a8c0@DEVELOP>
Message-ID: <000001c780aa$b05562d0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

Ok, I mentioned a couple weeks ago about building a single box that would
allow you to plug in your O2 mask/military mic in one side and out the other
patch cord into your sound card and be done with it.  No conversion cable to
general aviation, then another conversion circuit here and battery there
etc.

Well my prototype is finished and working.  I want to guage interest in this
to see how many circuit boards I need to order.  Price for the box,
assembled and tested is $80 + shipping.  If you need an extension for your
helmet or patch cords, I can supply those at additional cost.

Email me at flightsystemsltdATsbcblogalDOTnet.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of F16
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:09 PM
To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout

Sure Frank, look here http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_doc.htm

best wishes
Martin "Pegasus"

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From frank at rezultat.dk  Mon Apr 16 21:49:18 2007
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:49:18 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout
In-Reply-To: <000601c7806b$776b1170$14b2a8c0@DEVELOP>
Message-ID: <004101c780ab$c2b5dd50$0301a8c0@Franks>

Thx Martin !
But is this up to date(B30) ? - I read a place that they have B52+

Regards
Frank

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 16. april 2007 23:09
Til: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout

Sure Frank, look here http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_doc.htm

best wishes
Martin "Pegasus"

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From frank at rezultat.dk  Wed Apr 18 06:16:14 2007
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:16:14 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout
In-Reply-To: <000601c7806b$776b1170$14b2a8c0@DEVELOP>
Message-ID: <00a601c781bb$bdddddd0$0301a8c0@Franks>

Thanks
and what about the B52++ what does that mean ?

All the best
Frank

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af F16
Sendt: 16. april 2007 23:09
Til: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout

Sure Frank, look here http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_doc.htm

best wishes
Martin "Pegasus"

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From f16 at xflight.de  Wed Apr 18 11:16:21 2007
From: f16 at xflight.de (F16)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:16:21 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout
In-Reply-To: <00a601c781bb$bdddddd0$0301a8c0@Franks>
Message-ID: <000401c781e5$ad9d0070$14b2a8c0@DEVELOP>

Hello Frank,

are you sure, that the Greek airforce have the new B52+? I am not sure
about this. I have seen the cockpit from the US B50+, but it was not
allowed to make pictures from this nice cockpit and I respect and
understand this. In this cockpit many small and also bigger details are
new. One detail is not forbidden to public, the B50/52+ versions have an
LCD display for the HSI. This display have only two rotary knobs in the
lower left and right side and in the lower middle a small retangle grey
button with the text "M" for "mode". And also is the INST panel in this
version missing, it's all inside the HSI display. On the INSTR panel
place sit now a big "blank" plate. 

Best wishes
Martin


From frank at rezultat.dk  Wed Apr 18 11:58:28 2007
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:58:28 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout
In-Reply-To: <000401c781e5$ad9d0070$14b2a8c0@DEVELOP>
Message-ID: <002f01c781eb$8d3e3370$0301a8c0@Franks>

OKai !
But i'm almost positive about the version at present is 52++
And i have something in the pipeline... why I seek this layout 

Regard
Frank


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af F16
Sendt: 18. april 2007 20:16
Til: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout

Hello Frank,

are you sure, that the Greek airforce have the new B52+? I am not sure
about this. I have seen the cockpit from the US B50+, but it was not
allowed to make pictures from this nice cockpit and I respect and
understand this. In this cockpit many small and also bigger details are
new. One detail is not forbidden to public, the B50/52+ versions have an
LCD display for the HSI. This display have only two rotary knobs in the
lower left and right side and in the lower middle a small retangle grey
button with the text "M" for "mode". And also is the INST panel in this
version missing, it's all inside the HSI display. On the INSTR panel
place sit now a big "blank" plate. 

Best wishes
Martin

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From idekkers at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 23:30:28 2007
From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:30:28 +0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout
In-Reply-To: <002f01c781eb$8d3e3370$0301a8c0@Franks>
References: <000401c781e5$ad9d0070$14b2a8c0@DEVELOP>
	<002f01c781eb$8d3e3370$0301a8c0@Franks>
Message-ID: <39e5de8d0704182330l652b761ds12bd3079809dc197@mail.gmail.com>

ask charos or the other Greek members on viperpit - they probably know.

Ido

On 4/18/07, Frank Riedel <frank at rezultat.dk> wrote:
>
> OKai !
> But i'm almost positive about the version at present is 52++
> And i have something in the pipeline... why I seek this layout
>
> Regard
> Frank
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af F16
> Sendt: 18. april 2007 20:16
> Til: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
> Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout
>
> Hello Frank,
>
> are you sure, that the Greek airforce have the new B52+? I am not sure
> about this. I have seen the cockpit from the US B50+, but it was not
> allowed to make pictures from this nice cockpit and I respect and
> understand this. In this cockpit many small and also bigger details are
> new. One detail is not forbidden to public, the B50/52+ versions have an
> LCD display for the HSI. This display have only two rotary knobs in the
> lower left and right side and in the lower middle a small retangle grey
> button with the text "M" for "mode". And also is the INST panel in this
> version missing, it's all inside the HSI display. On the INSTR panel
> place sit now a big "blank" plate.
>
> Best wishes
> Martin
>
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From frank at rezultat.dk  Thu Apr 19 00:32:31 2007
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:32:31 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  F-16 layout
In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0704182330l652b761ds12bd3079809dc197@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005101c78254$e4524890$0301a8c0@Franks>

Thx Ido

 

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ask charos or the other Greek members on viperpit - they probably know.

Ido

On 4/18/07, Frank Riedel <frank at rezultat.dk  <mailto:frank at rezultat.dk> >
wrote:

OKai !
But i'm almost positive about the version at present is 52++ 
And i have something in the pipeline... why I seek this layout

Regard
Frank


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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af F16
Sendt: 18. april 2007 20:16
Til: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'
Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] F-16 layout 

Hello Frank,

are you sure, that the Greek airforce have the new B52+? I am not sure
about this. I have seen the cockpit from the US B50+, but it was not
allowed to make pictures from this nice cockpit and I respect and 
understand this. In this cockpit many small and also bigger details are
new. One detail is not forbidden to public, the B50/52+ versions have an
LCD display for the HSI. This display have only two rotary knobs in the 
lower left and right side and in the lower middle a small retangle grey
button with the text "M" for "mode". And also is the INST panel in this
version missing, it's all inside the HSI display. On the INSTR panel 
place sit now a big "blank" plate.

Best wishes
Martin

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From chevello at rcn.com  Thu Apr 19 17:56:34 2007
From: chevello at rcn.com (KD)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:56:34 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Where to get Phosphor bronze?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3526.1176920039.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
References: <mailman.3526.1176920039.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <46280FC2.6080304@rcn.com>

Any of you folks know where I can get spring tempered phosphor bronze in 
small quantities? I need a piece about 3" x 1" for a spring that goes in 
a stick force sensor. See, I had a little trouble with a Bridgeport the 
other day...

McMaster-Carr has 12" x 6" pieces the right thickness (0.093) but I was 
hoping to find a smaller piece since I don't want to just toss the whole 
70 bucks out when I am done.

KeithD

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Apr 19 20:31:51 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:31:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Where to get Phosphor bronze?
In-Reply-To: <46280FC2.6080304@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704192031380.64859-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Any of you folks know where I can get spring tempered phosphor bronze in
> small quantities? I need a piece about 3" x 1" for a spring that goes in
> a stick force sensor. See, I had a little trouble with a Bridgeport the
> other day...
>
Try smallparts.com

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 19 20:59:27 2007
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3525.1176920039.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <42508.83403.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Certain ones are noisy if they are moving at full
speed. I dont find it to be as issue with Flightsim
sound turned on. Example, ADI is quiet as I bank and
turn, altimter is noisy when it's moving rapidly.

I think a great solution for classic airliner sims is
to use Flight Illusion for the nav instruments and use
the Simkits multi controller for simple guages. 

Justin

> The simkits are luvverly toys, a pricey way to build
> a cockpit though.
> 
> I use only one servo in the J41 cockpit for the flap
> position indicator
> and I find that quite noisy - how's a bunch of the
> things !?


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From idekkers at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 08:49:57 2007
From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:49:57 +0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <42508.83403.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.3525.1176920039.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
	<42508.83403.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39e5de8d0704200849v5fc33b9fpe2efd3d2a075b5d2@mail.gmail.com>

check these out :
http://www.betainnovations.com/
totally silent

Ido

On 4/20/07, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Certain ones are noisy if they are moving at full
> speed. I dont find it to be as issue with Flightsim
> sound turned on. Example, ADI is quiet as I bank and
> turn, altimter is noisy when it's moving rapidly.
>
> I think a great solution for classic airliner sims is
> to use Flight Illusion for the nav instruments and use
> the Simkits multi controller for simple guages.
>
> Justin
>
> > The simkits are luvverly toys, a pricey way to build
> > a cockpit though.
> >
> > I use only one servo in the J41 cockpit for the flap
> > position indicator
> > and I find that quite noisy - how's a bunch of the
> > things !?
>
>
> Aviation Videos
>         http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/
>
>   DC-8 Simulator
>   www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com
>
>   F-4 Simulators
>   www.Phantom.highspeedzone.com
>
>
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From allendc at qwest.net  Sat Apr 21 12:04:56 2007
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:04:56 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0704200849v5fc33b9fpe2efd3d2a075b5d2@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <mailman.3525.1176920039.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
	<42508.83403.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<39e5de8d0704200849v5fc33b9fpe2efd3d2a075b5d2@mail.gmail.com>
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From allendc at qwest.net  Sat Apr 21 12:11:09 2007
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:11:09 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Apr 21 14:38:23 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <20070421191235.2140453BC28@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704211438010.70773-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> The Sad part about all the very cool stuff Leo is making is that there no
> software support for Microsoft Flight Simulator X SimConnect or FSUIPC. I
> understand his position, I just wish I was a programmer :-(
>

Patience young Jedi.... :)

g.

-- 
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From allendc at qwest.net  Sat Apr 21 14:36:36 2007
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:36:36 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704211438010.70773-100000@grumble.deltasoft .com>
References: <20070421191235.2140453BC28@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0704211438010.70773-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20070421213647.A73D862D492@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net>

I know Master, but how do I control the force within? Some days the 
thought of NOT having an Analog output under the control of MSFS is 
just more than I can handle.

The Young Jedi...

At 02:38 PM 4/21/2007 -0700, you wrote:
> > The Sad part about all the very cool stuff Leo is making is that there no
> > software support for Microsoft Flight Simulator X SimConnect or FSUIPC. I
> > understand his position, I just wish I was a programmer :-(
> >
>
>Patience young Jedi.... :)
>
>g.
>
>--
>"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
>Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From adm.design at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 04:52:08 2007
From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:52:08 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <20070421191235.2140453BC28@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net>
References: <20070421191235.2140453BC28@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <0JGY00E5TBRN8W24@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>


knowledge is power.

programming isn't necessarily for "programmers".

there is considerable pleasure and independence in getting your 
simulator to do just what you want.

let that be your motivation.

  - adm -

At 03:11 PM 4/21/2007, you wrote:

>Sorry about the double post, but I accidently hit the send button >:-}
>
>The Sad part about all the very cool stuff Leo is making is that 
>there no software support for Microsoft Flight Simulator X 
>SimConnect or FSUIPC. I understand his position, I just wish I was a 
>programmer :-(
>
>David
>www.737FlightSim.com


----------

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Mazurka 
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 23 07:16:02 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:16:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <20070421213647.A73D862D492@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704230712300.74568-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I know Master, but how do I control the force within? Some days the
> thought of NOT having an Analog output under the control of MSFS is
> just more than I can handle.
>
Boy, kids today.  Gimme, gimme, gimme. :)

Go wrench on your cockpit for a while. :) I'll get on it when I've got my
Mad Scientist's Lair straightened out.  We got five more cabinets built on
Saturday (which is a tale unto itself).

g.
 --
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From allendc at qwest.net  Mon Apr 23 09:02:31 2007
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:02:31 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704230712300.74568-100000@grumble.deltasoft .com>
References: <20070421213647.A73D862D492@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0704230712300.74568-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20070423160553.632061A9B8D@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net>


>Boy, kids today.  Gimme, gimme, gimme. :)

Yep that's me!

>Go wrench on your cockpit for a while. :)

Just got back from a demo of the Z-Corp http://www.zcorp.com/  the 
ZPrinter 450

>  I'll get on it when I've got my Mad Scientist's Lair straightened out.

I am 57 years old and have to stop professional flying at age 60 LOL, 
so you have lot's of time >:-}

>  We got five more cabinets built on Saturday (which is a tale unto itself).

See Gene count his fingers, still got all of them????

>g.


From cyplesma at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 09:33:49 2007
From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:33:49 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704230712300.74568-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <8C953DC4E8C76A7-E4C-29E6@WEBMAIL-DF16.sysops.aol.com>

  
   Gimme, gimme, gimme, Gimme some more - Black Flag

earlys 80's punk rock band - lead singer - Lee Ving was also in "Clue", "Get Crazy".

 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: geneb at deltasoft.com
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
 
  > I know Master, but how do I control the force within? Some days the
> thought of NOT having an Analog output under the control of MSFS is
> just more than I can handle.
>
Boy, kids today.  Gimme, gimme, gimme. :)

Go wrench on your cockpit for a while. :) I'll get on it when I've got my
Mad Scientist's Lair straightened out.  We got five more cabinets built on
Saturday (which is a tale unto itself).

g.
 --
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 23 11:03:24 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:03:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <20070423160553.632061A9B8D@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704231100210.74880-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> >Go wrench on your cockpit for a while. :)
>
> Just got back from a demo of the Z-Corp http://www.zcorp.com/  the
> ZPrinter 450
>
That thing is insane!  How much do they want for it? :)

> I am 57 years old and have to stop professional flying at age 60 LOL,
> so you have lot's of time >:-}
>
Geeze, I'd better work on the high-contrast 24pt instrument fonts then,
huh? :)

> >  We got five more cabinets built on Saturday (which is a tale unto itself).
>
> See Gene count his fingers, still got all of them????
>
Fingers are fine.  We ended up with 5 cabinets because while I'd
originally cut the parts for 3 of them, they were all left sides. *sigh*
The end result was enough parts to build 5 cabinets + parts for a 6th in
order to use the whole sheet of plywood.

Don't do part layouts in a hurry.  You forget the dumbest things.

g.



 -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly
off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From allendc at qwest.net  Mon Apr 23 11:38:09 2007
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:38:09 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704231100210.74880-100000@grumble.deltasoft .com>
References: <20070423160553.632061A9B8D@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0704231100210.74880-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20070423183818.F200C62D783@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net>

At 11:03 AM 4/23/2007 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Go wrench on your cockpit for a while. :)
> >
> > Just got back from a demo of the Z-Corp http://www.zcorp.com/  the
> > ZPrinter 450
> >
>That thing is insane!

Yes, and you can make molds for investment casting parts

>  How much do they want for it? :)

$40,000.00

> > I am 57 years old and have to stop professional flying at age 60 LOL,
> > so you have lot's of time >:-}
> >
>Geeze, I'd better work on the high-contrast 24pt instrument fonts then,
>huh? :)

Flying with magnifying glasses and a cane!

> > >  We got five more cabinets built on Saturday (which is a tale 
> unto itself).
> >
> > See Gene count his fingers, still got all of them????
> >
>Fingers are fine.  We ended up with 5 cabinets because while I'd
>originally cut the parts for 3 of them, they were all left sides. *sigh*
>The end result was enough parts to build 5 cabinets + parts for a 6th in
>order to use the whole sheet of plywood.

That's a good one, Just like the kit plane builder making 2 left wings!

>Don't do part layouts in a hurry.  You forget the dumbest things.

Bet you do that only once!

>g.
>
>
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 23 13:03:56 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <20070423183818.F200C62D783@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704231256580.75076-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > > Just got back from a demo of the Z-Corp http://www.zcorp.com/  the
> > > ZPrinter 450
> > >
> >That thing is insane!
>
> Yes, and you can make molds for investment casting parts
>
> >  How much do they want for it? :)
>
> $40,000.00
>
Yikes!

> > > I am 57 years old and have to stop professional flying at age 60 LOL,
> > > so you have lot's of time >:-}
> > >
> >Geeze, I'd better work on the high-contrast 24pt instrument fonts then,
> >huh? :)
>
> Flying with magnifying glasses and a cane!
>
...and well prepared to keep those damn kids off your lawn! :)

> >Fingers are fine.  We ended up with 5 cabinets because while I'd
> >originally cut the parts for 3 of them, they were all left sides. *sigh*
> >The end result was enough parts to build 5 cabinets + parts for a 6th in
> >order to use the whole sheet of plywood.
>
> That's a good one, Just like the kit plane builder making 2 left wings!
>
Well fortunately, my mistakes aren't nearly that bad.  Pretty close
though. :)

> >Don't do part layouts in a hurry.  You forget the dumbest things.
>
> Bet you do that only once!
>
Rushing things introduces all sorts of errors you do only once. :)

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Apr 23 13:47:12 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:47:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704231100210.74880-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704232146570.5536-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

> Fingers are fine.  We ended up with 5 cabinets because while I'd
> originally cut the parts for 3 of them, they were all left sides. *sigh*
> The end result was enough parts to build 5 cabinets + parts for a 6th in
> order to use the whole sheet of plywood.
>
> Don't do part layouts in a hurry.  You forget the dumbest things.


Any pic updates of the new shop ?


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Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 23 14:16:30 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:16:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704232146570.5536-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704231414470.75222-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > Fingers are fine.  We ended up with 5 cabinets because while I'd
> > originally cut the parts for 3 of them, they were all left sides. *sigh*
> > The end result was enough parts to build 5 cabinets + parts for a 6th in
> > order to use the whole sheet of plywood.
> >
> > Don't do part layouts in a hurry.  You forget the dumbest things.
>
>
> Any pic updates of the new shop ?
>
Yes, but I haven't had the time to process all 111 images. :)

I'll try to get something posted this week.

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From rhommel at mad.scientist.com  Mon Apr 23 18:38:46 2007
From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:38:46 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
Message-ID: <20070424013846.8F5C41F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>



There are times when Gene says things to me like this "Your gonna hate me for this".
And I reply with," I already do".
That makes you wonder if we work well together.

The shop at this time is 40X60 and we have no room to work, "go figger". (trademark applied for)

Keep 'em Flying
r hommel


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 23 20:32:58 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <20070424013846.8F5C41F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704232031480.75724-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> There are times when Gene says things to me like this "Your gonna hate me for this".
> And I reply with," I already do".

That's just because I didn't discover the mistake until you'd already
built the first cabinet carcase. :)

> That makes you wonder if we work well together.
>
*points* YOU! :)

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 23 21:10:11 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:10:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] simkits stuff...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704232109440.75798-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

There is a number of Simkits parts on eBay right now.  Price seems really
cheap.

g.


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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Apr 24 01:01:43 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:01:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704231414470.75222-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704240901240.6307-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > Any pic updates of the new shop ?
> >
> Yes, but I haven't had the time to process all 111 images. :)
>
> I'll try to get something posted this week.

ok, kewl.

will be posting pics of my new toys later today.


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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Apr 24 01:03:00 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:03:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovation Cool Stuff
In-Reply-To: <20070424013846.8F5C41F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704240902310.6307-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Rob Hommel wrote:



> There are times when Gene says things to me like this "Your gonna hate me for this".
> And I reply with," I already do".
> That makes you wonder if we work well together.
>
> The shop at this time is 40X60 and we have no room to work, "go figger". (trademark applied for)


I realised long ago that you expand to fit the shop space available.

*sigh*


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Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Tue Apr 24 17:05:40 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:05:40 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simple motion sim concept
Message-ID: <ac81c52712754895ad574d1b05e49599.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Ok, motion sim is probably not the right term.
Sensory input is probably a better way to put it.

Anyway in the T-6 sims here at Vance they have a very
interesting thing called a dynamic feedback seat (at
least I think that's what its called - I don't
remember for sure).

The way it works is the sims are all completely
stationary - no motion sims at all. But they all have
this seat. The seat bottom is able to move, just a
little bit, and only in the vertical axis.

Then while you're actually in the sim, it gives you
various inputs depending on what's happening. For
example, as you're taxing along on the ground, every
few seconds it gives you a "bump" similar to what
you'd feel crossing the seams in the cement. Probably
a bit exaggerated from what it really feels like, but
it does add a level of realism. In the air you get
various thumps with things like the gear extending
(which does have a noticeable "clunk" in the real
thing) and the rumble of flight with the speed brake
or landing gear out.

In all I've found this setup to be a very good
addition to the overall feel of realism in the sim,
and it seems like something that would not be
difficult at all to implement in a home simulator. I
think this combined with the more widely-known
technique of a subwoofer installed in the seat would
yield a very realistic result in terms of aircraft
"feel." The only hinge point would be the fact that a
certain amount of control software would have to be
developed by the user, in order to make the seat do
what you want to when you want it to. But I think it
might be worth the effort!

So, any ideas, comments, or questions, lemme know!

Brian


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Apr 25 00:49:06 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:49:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simple motion sim concept
In-Reply-To: <ac81c52712754895ad574d1b05e49599.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704250848020.7866-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Brian Sikkema wrote:


There is such a seat.  As far as I know it's available through
rc-simulations.com in Bristol, England.  I know he has written MSFS
drivers for it, not sure if he's got the x-plane stuff done yet or not.

I'll make enquiries later today.


> Ok, motion sim is probably not the right term.
> Sensory input is probably a better way to put it.
>
> Anyway in the T-6 sims here at Vance they have a very
> interesting thing called a dynamic feedback seat (at
> least I think that's what its called - I don't
> remember for sure).
>
> The way it works is the sims are all completely
> stationary - no motion sims at all. But they all have
> this seat. The seat bottom is able to move, just a
> little bit, and only in the vertical axis.
>
> Then while you're actually in the sim, it gives you
> various inputs depending on what's happening. For
> example, as you're taxing along on the ground, every
> few seconds it gives you a "bump" similar to what
> you'd feel crossing the seams in the cement. Probably
> a bit exaggerated from what it really feels like, but
> it does add a level of realism. In the air you get
> various thumps with things like the gear extending
> (which does have a noticeable "clunk" in the real
> thing) and the rumble of flight with the speed brake
> or landing gear out.
>
> In all I've found this setup to be a very good
> addition to the overall feel of realism in the sim,
> and it seems like something that would not be
> difficult at all to implement in a home simulator. I
> think this combined with the more widely-known
> technique of a subwoofer installed in the seat would
> yield a very realistic result in terms of aircraft
> "feel." The only hinge point would be the fact that a
> certain amount of control software would have to be
> developed by the user, in order to make the seat do
> what you want to when you want it to. But I think it
> might be worth the effort!
>
> So, any ideas, comments, or questions, lemme know!
>
> Brian
>
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From: marcquintin at hotmail.com (Marc Quintin)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:40:10 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simple motion sim concept
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Apr 25 07:25:16 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:25:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <f0nbm8+e3g8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251523350.7866-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Paul Jason wrote:

> Great stuff Roy.  I really "want" the triplehead2go option to work for
> me so I don't have to go to the expense and trouble of a 3 and 3 set up.


I'm cross-posting this since I'm sure the simtech crew will be interested
as well.

Pics of my current X-Plane setup are at:-
http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/triplehead/

The sim is X-Plane 8.60 running the UK Photo Scenery with Paul
Derbyshire's Liverpool scenery on top.

I really need to tidy up the wiring ;-)

Roy.

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Liverpool University.
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Apr 25 07:30:23 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:30:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251523350.7866-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251529310.7866-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Roy Coates wrote:


Ooops... I forgot to mention that the three upper monitors are driven by a
Matrox TripleHead2Go unit giving a single 3840x1024 image across the three
screens.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Apr 25 08:33:07 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:33:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251523350.7866-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704250832170.79363-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I'm cross-posting this since I'm sure the simtech crew will be interested
> as well.
>
> Pics of my current X-Plane setup are at:-
> http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/triplehead/
>
Very nice!

Will the edges line up better if you angle the left & right displays a
bit?

g.

-- 
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Apr 25 08:51:01 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:51:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704250832170.79363-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251643360.7866-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

> Very nice!
>
> Will the edges line up better if you angle the left & right displays a
> bit?

Not really since nothing is actually hidden by the frames, the images are
offset by the frame width. The monitors will be de-cased and mounted in a
frame to reduce the gap - as we did with the J41 simulator here:

http://jetstream-club.org/cockpit.jpg


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Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From chebm at yahoo.de  Wed Apr 25 09:33:05 2007
From: chebm at yahoo.de (Thomas Hoeltschi)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:33:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251529310.7866-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <775696.12505.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good Work!

Is the frame rate still high if you use such the
Matrox TripleHead2Go? 
I used the same unit, but together with FS2004 and the
frame rate dropped from 25 to 13 with this resolution.

Thomas

----
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www.flightsimulation.ch

--- Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Roy Coates wrote:
> 
> 
> Ooops... I forgot to mention that the three upper
> monitors are driven by a
> Matrox TripleHead2Go unit giving a single 3840x1024
> image across the three
> screens.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Roy Coates.
> Dept of Engineering.
> Liverpool University.
> E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
> Tel: 0151 794 4862
>
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> let it be the Hobbs meter.
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From snar5 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 25 09:45:46 2007
From: snar5 at yahoo.com (snar5 at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
Message-ID: <274885.28261.qm@web60525.mail.yahoo.com>

I had contemplated getting this BugEye Technology setup was wondering if anyone is using it

http://www.bugeyetech.com/avsim_flight.php

It seems kinda expensive but might be worth the money. 

-Mark

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:51:01 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.


On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

> Very nice!
>
> Will the edges line up better if you angle the left & right displays a
> bit?

Not really since nothing is actually hidden by the frames, the images are
offset by the frame width. The monitors will be de-cased and mounted in a
frame to reduce the gap - as we did with the J41 simulator here:

http://jetstream-club.org/cockpit.jpg


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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Apr 25 10:04:03 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:04:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <775696.12505.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251803440.8597-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Thomas Hoeltschi wrote:

> Good Work!
>
> Is the frame rate still high if you use such the
> Matrox TripleHead2Go?
> I used the same unit, but together with FS2004 and the
> frame rate dropped from 25 to 13 with this resolution.


The drop was barely noticeable.  :-)


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Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From bass.pumped at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 09:59:52 2007
From: bass.pumped at gmail.com (bass pumped)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:59:52 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251803440.8597-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <775696.12505.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251803440.8597-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <f7f5a9670704250959g3b02f2f5gcb150ff5d092f1a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/25/07, Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Thomas Hoeltschi wrote:
>
> > Good Work!
> >
> > Is the frame rate still high if you use such the
> > Matrox TripleHead2Go?
> > I used the same unit, but together with FS2004 and the
> > frame rate dropped from 25 to 13 with this resolution.
>
>
> The drop was barely noticeable.  :-)
>
>
> --
>
> Roy Coates.
> Dept of Engineering.
> Liverpool University.
> E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
> Tel: 0151 794 4862
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

It looks pretty good.  How did you setup the instrument panel?

From cyplesma at aol.com  Wed Apr 25 10:09:23 2007
From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:09:23 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simple motion sim concept
In-Reply-To: <ac81c52712754895ad574d1b05e49599.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <ac81c52712754895ad574d1b05e49599.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <8C955739B715881-1490-30EE@WEBMAIL-RE07.sysops.aol.com>

  
   really really really cheap way of "feeling" those types of "sounds" is put a woofer under your seat with about 100 watts of amplified output from your soundcard. even use a lowpass freq crossover (from old stereo speaker, or sub woofer speaker) you will feel those bumps.
 
 
 other type of motion like roll and yaw, well my dream is to literally have a cage then can house some batteries, laptop(s) or mini itx pcs mounted in cockpit tub and rotate the tub 360 degrees in all three axis. 
 
 use bluetooth or wireless routers to control different axis wirelessly, supplyied by batteries.
 
 I have some preliminary drawings but no machine tools or time.
  
 -----Original Message-----
 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 8:05 PM
 Subject: [simpits-tech] Simple motion sim concept
 
  Ok, motion sim is probably not the right term.
Sensory input is probably a better way to put it.

Anyway in the T-6 sims here at Vance they have a very
interesting thing called a dynamic feedback seat (at
least I think that's what its called - I don't
remember for sure).

The way it works is the sims are all completely
stationary - no motion sims at all. But they all have
this seat. The seat bottom is able to move, just a
little bit, and only in the vertical axis.

Then while you're actually in the sim, it gives you
various inputs depending on what's happening. For
example, as you're taxing along on the ground, every
few seconds it gives you a "bump" similar to what
you'd feel crossing the seams in the cement. Probably
a bit exaggerated from what it really feels like, but
it does add a level of realism. In the air you get
various thumps with things like the gear extending
(which does have a noticeable "clunk" in the real
thing) and the rumble of flight with the speed brake
or landing gear out.

In all I've found this setup to be a very good
addition to the overall feel of realism in the sim,
and it seems like something that would not be
difficult at all to implement in a home simulator. I
think this combined with the more widely-known
technique of a subwoofer installed in the seat would
yield a very realistic result in terms of aircraft
"feel." The only hinge point would be the fact that a
certain amount of control software would have to be
developed by the user, in order to make the seat do
what you want to when you want it to. But I think it
might be worth the effort!

So, any ideas, comments, or questions, lemme know!

Brian

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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 25 10:19:09 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:19:09 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <f7f5a9670704250959g3b02f2f5gcb150ff5d092f1a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <775696.12505.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251803440.8597-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
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Why not bit the bullet and just use projectors?  Hell, you've got that much
invested already, why skimp now?

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of bass pumped
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:00 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.

On 4/25/07, Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Thomas Hoeltschi wrote:
>
> > Good Work!
> >
> > Is the frame rate still high if you use such the
> > Matrox TripleHead2Go?
> > I used the same unit, but together with FS2004 and the
> > frame rate dropped from 25 to 13 with this resolution.
>
>
> The drop was barely noticeable.  :-)
>
>
> --
>
> Roy Coates.
> Dept of Engineering.
> Liverpool University.
> E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
> Tel: 0151 794 4862
>
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> Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs
meter.
>
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>

It looks pretty good.  How did you setup the instrument panel?
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Apr 25 10:48:25 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704251643360.7866-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704251046340.79572-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>
> > Very nice!
> >
> > Will the edges line up better if you angle the left & right displays a
> > bit?
>
> Not really since nothing is actually hidden by the frames, the images are
> offset by the frame width. The monitors will be de-cased and mounted in a
> frame to reduce the gap - as we did with the J41 simulator here:
>
> http://jetstream-club.org/cockpit.jpg
>
>
Ahh, ok.  Gotcha.

Are you using flat panels behind the J41 instrument panel for the
instrument displays?  Wait, I can see the X-Plane Bendix AI in there.
Nevermind. :)  Clever shoe-horn job!

g.


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From kev1n1956 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 25 15:37:36 2007
From: kev1n1956 at yahoo.com (K :))
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3776.1177520981.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <978337.98488.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


What I have been experimenting with on my pit is a 3 channel color organ (you may remeber those from the 70s - still available in kit form).  I have 3 AC motors with an offset weight attached to the shaft (one for each frequency range) and the motors are bolted at strategic locations on the pit.  By varying the frequency range, sensitivity and the amount of weight I can get various motors to start up and provide vibration that adds to the realism. My pit is only a single seat fighter so perhaps the effect is greater.  
  Anybody else tried this sort of approach ?
   
  Kevin



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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed Apr 25 17:15:06 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:15:06 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
Message-ID: <d70c96d478714b0097cd1554020515e7.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

That is nothing short of brilliant! Never heard of
such an approach, but it sounds like it would work great!



>------- Original Message -------
>From    : K :\)[mailto:kev1n1956 at yahoo.com]
>Sent    : 4/25/2007 6:37:36 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech
Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
>
 >
What I have been experimenting with on my pit is a 3
channel color organ (you may remeber those from the
70s - still available in kit form).  I have 3 AC
motors with an offset weight attached to the shaft
(one for each frequency range) and the motors are
bolted at strategic locations on the pit.  By varying
the frequency range, sensitivity and the amount of
weight I can get various motors to start up and
provide vibration that adds to the realism. My pit is
only a single seat fighter so perhaps the effect is
greater.  
  Anybody else tried this sort of approach ?
   
  Kevin



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it is responsible for the flood.


       
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu Apr 26 00:02:31 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:02:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <f7f5a9670704250959g3b02f2f5gcb150ff5d092f1a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704260802100.249-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, bass pumped wrote:

>
> It looks pretty good.  How did you setup the instrument panel?

They are running the current beta version of X-Panel.

--

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Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu Apr 26 00:03:39 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:03:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <011d01c7875d$d6b67ae0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704260802430.249-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Joseph Fagner wrote:

> Why not bit the bullet and just use projectors?  Hell, you've got that much
> invested already, why skimp now?

It's a space issue Joe. The final lab-space for this project is limited
and light levels are shared with another project. In a ideal world, I
would have used projectors but in this case it's just not to be.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu Apr 26 03:01:06 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:01:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704251046340.79572-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704261100130.301-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > http://jetstream-club.org/cockpit.jpg
> >
> Ahh, ok.  Gotcha.
>
> Are you using flat panels behind the J41 instrument panel for the
> instrument displays?  Wait, I can see the X-Plane Bendix AI in there.
> Nevermind. :)  Clever shoe-horn job!


Shoe horn is right!  Those flat panels were donated, I didn't get to pick
the sizes and so they are a very tight fit. The left one in particular
almost needs to be greased to get it in :-)


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Thu Apr 26 04:00:35 2007
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:00:35 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704261100130.301-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <00b901c787f2$1e1b9cf0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

Roy i have that problem too..... 8)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Coates" <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk>

"one in particular almost needs to be greased to get it in :-)"



From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu Apr 26 05:19:02 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:19:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <00b901c787f2$1e1b9cf0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704261318410.301-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Ben Jones wrote:

> Roy i have that problem too..... 8)
>

I'm really hoping to sim the Britannia cockpit. Loads of room !!


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Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From cyplesma at aol.com  Thu Apr 26 09:03:05 2007
From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:03:05 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <d70c96d478714b0097cd1554020515e7.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <d70c96d478714b0097cd1554020515e7.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <8C956338285798E-CE4-7AA@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com>

  What I really like about yur idea is you don't have to crank the volume to 11 (disturbing the neighborhood or the fam) to feel the effects.
 
 very nice!!!!!
 
 8 )
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 8:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
 
  That is nothing short of brilliant! Never heard of
such an approach, but it sounds like it would work great!



>------- Original Message -------
>From    : K :\)[mailto:kev1n1956 at yahoo.com]
>Sent    : 4/25/2007 6:37:36 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech
Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
>
 >
What I have been experimenting with on my pit is a 3
channel color organ (you may remeber those from the
70s - still available in kit form).  I have 3 AC
motors with an offset weight attached to the shaft
(one for each frequency range) and the motors are
bolted at strategic locations on the pit.  By varying
the frequency range, sensitivity and the amount of
weight I can get various motors to start up and
provide vibration that adds to the realism. My pit is
only a single seat fighter so perhaps the effect is
greater.  
  Anybody else tried this sort of approach ?
   
  Kevin



  Irresponsibility-No single raindrop believes that
it is responsible for the flood.


       
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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 26 10:42:00 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:42:00 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704260802430.249-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
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Damn space...just isn't enough of it.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Joseph Fagner wrote:

> Why not bit the bullet and just use projectors?  Hell, you've got that
much
> invested already, why skimp now?

It's a space issue Joe. The final lab-space for this project is limited
and light levels are shared with another project. In a ideal world, I
would have used projectors but in this case it's just not to be.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu Apr 26 12:22:24 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:22:24 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
Message-ID: <6238dded215042d7ad64ee1c123ff1ad.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

I have a couple of Aura interactors, don't know if anyone remembers them... basically they were a backpack that you wore and 
inside was what was essentially a huge subwoofer but without the paper cone. Just the electromagnetic "shaker" doohickey (sorry 
I'm not an audio engineer, I don't know what the center part is called).

Anyway this also solves the sound issue... but what I think I may end up doing is using these in the same sort of setup - use one 
for higher frequencies and one for lower frequencies... That could be a killer setup. :D



>------- Original Message -------
>From    : cyplesma at aol.com[mailto:cyplesma at aol.com]
>Sent    : 4/26/2007 12:03:05 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
>
 >  What I really like about yur idea is you don't have to crank the volume to 11 (disturbing the neighborhood or the fam) to feel 
the effects.
 
 very nice!!!!!
 
 8 )
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 8:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
 
  That is nothing short of brilliant! Never heard of
such an approach, but it sounds like it would work great!



>------- Original Message -------
>From    : K :\)[ mailto:kev1n1956 at yahoo.com] 
>Sent    : 4/25/2007 6:37:36 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech
Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
>
 >
What I have been experimenting with on my pit is a 3
channel color organ (you may remeber those from the
70s - still available in kit form).  I have 3 AC
motors with an offset weight attached to the shaft
(one for each frequency range) and the motors are
bolted at strategic locations on the pit.  By varying
the frequency range, sensitivity and the amount of
weight I can get various motors to start up and
provide vibration that adds to the realism. My pit is
only a single seat fighter so perhaps the effect is
greater.  
  Anybody else tried this sort of approach ?
   
  Kevin



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it is responsible for the flood.


       
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Apr 26 12:45:05 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:45:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple Monitor Support - With Pictures.
In-Reply-To: <008801c7882a$31f60840$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704261244290.82123-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Damn space...just isn't enough of it.
>
> Jay
>

On the contrary, there's a ton of it.  Our problem is one of being
trapped at the bottom of a gravity well. :)

g.

-- 
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From chevello at rcn.com  Fri Apr 27 18:36:16 2007
From: chevello at rcn.com (KD)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:36:16 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Buttkicker seat shaker
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3802.1177603398.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
References: <mailman.3802.1177603398.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
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How about mounting a Buttkicker to the seat?  If you have ever ridden in 
Mission: Space at Disney World then you know how they feel.

They build a version with an amp built in. I have one without the amp, 
but it says it requires 300W minimum to run it so I haven't. 

http://www.guitammer.com/SSW_home.html

I got to look through a Bugeye once, but not for very long. It seemed to 
be pretty cool for giving the illusion of distance with the fresnel 
lenses. The split between the screens wasn't very noticeable either. I 
liked it, but the people who give the say so at work said "No good" I 
said "Crap" and still like it.

K

From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 28 00:06:09 2007
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian OT
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3759.1177486624.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
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Bian,
I have relatives leaving Enid in the morning to come
visit me. To bad they cant bring me an old retired
Tweet. I didnt realize Vance had Texans now. I was in
Ardmore Ok a few weeks back and 2 Tweets came into the
airport for fuel. Vance will be quiter when they are
all gone :(

AS for the seats, transducers do a great job for what
you described. You feel "bumps" with no problem.

Justin



> 
> 
> > Ok, motion sim is probably not the right term.
> > Sensory input is probably a better way to put it.
> >
> > Anyway in the T-6 sims here at Vance they have a
> very
> > interesting thing called a dynamic feedback seat
> (at
> > least I think that's what its called - I don't
> > remember for sure).
> >
> > The way it works is the sims are all completely
> > stationary - no motion sims at all. But they all
> have
> > this seat. The seat bottom is able to move, just a
> > little bit, and only in the vertical axis.
> >
> > Then while you're actually in the sim, it gives
> you
> > various inputs depending on what's happening. For
> > example, as you're taxing along on the ground,
> every
> > few seconds it gives you a "bump" similar to what
> > you'd feel crossing the seams in the cement.
> Probably
> > a bit exaggerated from what it really feels like,
> but
> > it does add a level of realism. In the air you get
> > various thumps with things like the gear extending
> > (which does have a noticeable "clunk" in the real
> > thing) and the rumble of flight with the speed
> brake
> > or landing gear out.
> >
> > In all I've found this setup to be a very good
> > addition to the overall feel of realism in the
> sim,
> > and it seems like something that would not be
> > difficult at all to implement in a home simulator.
> I
> > think this combined with the more widely-known
> > technique of a subwoofer installed in the seat
> would
> > yield a very realistic result in terms of aircraft
> > "feel." The only hinge point would be the fact
> that a
> > certain amount of control software would have to
> be
> > developed by the user, in order to make the seat
> do
> > what you want to when you want it to. But I think
> it
> > might be worth the effort!
> >
> > So, any ideas, comments, or questions, lemme know!
> >
> > Brian


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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Mon Apr 30 11:34:56 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:34:56 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian OT
Message-ID: <b34aaf997b7c4fa0a2a7fd3d39e50daa.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

I know where there are a bunch of old T-38A model sim cockpit shells sitting around... hint hint... ;)


>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Justin Messenger[mailto:jjmessenger at yahoo.com]
>Sent    : 4/28/2007 3:06:09 AM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Brian OT
>
 >
Bian,
I have relatives leaving Enid in the morning to come
visit me. To bad they cant bring me an old retired
Tweet. I didnt realize Vance had Texans now. I was in
Ardmore Ok a few weeks back and 2 Tweets came into the
airport for fuel. Vance will be quiter when they are
all gone :(

AS for the seats, transducers do a great job for what
you described. You feel "bumps" with no problem.

Justin



> 
> 
> > Ok, motion sim is probably not the right term.
> > Sensory input is probably a better way to put it.
> >
> > Anyway in the T-6 sims here at Vance they have a
> very
> > interesting thing called a dynamic feedback seat
> (at
> > least I think that's what its called - I don't
> > remember for sure).
> >
> > The way it works is the sims are all completely
> > stationary - no motion sims at all. But they all
> have
> > this seat. The seat bottom is able to move, just a
> > little bit, and only in the vertical axis.
> >
> > Then while you're actually in the sim, it gives
> you
> > various inputs depending on what's happening. For
> > example, as you're taxing along on the ground,
> every
> > few seconds it gives you a "bump" similar to what
> > you'd feel crossing the seams in the cement.
> Probably
> > a bit exaggerated from what it really feels like,
> but
> > it does add a level of realism. In the air you get
> > various thumps with things like the gear extending
> > (which does have a noticeable "clunk" in the real
> > thing) and the rumble of flight with the speed
> brake
> > or landing gear out.
> >
> > In all I've found this setup to be a very good
> > addition to the overall feel of realism in the
> sim,
> > and it seems like something that would not be
> > difficult at all to implement in a home simulator.
> I
> > think this combined with the more widely-known
> > technique of a subwoofer installed in the seat
> would
> > yield a very realistic result in terms of aircraft
> > "feel." The only hinge point would be the fact
> that a
> > certain amount of control software would have to
> be
> > developed by the user, in order to make the seat
> do
> > what you want to when you want it to. But I think
> it
> > might be worth the effort!
> >
> > So, any ideas, comments, or questions, lemme know!
> >
> > Brian


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 30 13:09:45 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian OT
In-Reply-To: <b34aaf997b7c4fa0a2a7fd3d39e50daa.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704301309210.93499-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I know where there are a bunch of old T-38A model sim cockpit shells
> sitting around... hint hint... ;)

Where and how much? :)

g.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Mon Apr 30 14:01:14 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:01:14 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian OT
Message-ID: <d88d0e32dff4403485c2ab2edafecb79.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

In a building here on Vance, and free to whoever has
the lightest fingers... ;)

Seriously, though, I figure they gotta hit the DRMO
pipeline eventually. Not in terrifically good shape,
and I don't know who would want to sim a trainer, but
they may be out there someday soon...



>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com]
>Sent    : 4/30/2007 4:09:45 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Brian OT
>
 >> I know where there are a bunch of old T-38A model
sim cockpit shells
> sitting around... hint hint... ;)

Where and how much? :)

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 30 14:45:45 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian OT
In-Reply-To: <d88d0e32dff4403485c2ab2edafecb79.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704301445200.93655-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> In a building here on Vance, and free to whoever has
> the lightest fingers... ;)
>
...or the strongest. :)


> Seriously, though, I figure they gotta hit the DRMO
> pipeline eventually. Not in terrifically good shape,
> and I don't know who would want to sim a trainer, but
> they may be out there someday soon...
>
Got pictures?

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 30 15:20:53 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704301520090.93698-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Here's a good excuse to buy one if you didn't have one yet. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmrylvU6FTs

g.


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From pascal at pascal.org  Mon Apr 30 15:46:50 2007
From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman Pascal)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:46:50 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704301520090.93698-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704301520090.93698-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <2901C698-67C0-43F0-999A-9517426CAC95@pascal.org>

Normally I sit back and I'm happy to lurk on this list, lusting over  
pits, shops, and ideas shared here.

I have looked at the TripleHead2Go several times.  In the past I  
haven't bought one because it didn't work with the Radeon 9600s I had  
in my system.  Now I have a new system (core 2 duo 6600, 4Gb RAM, 2 x  
nVidia 8800 GTS) and I'm tempted again.

The only thing holding me back is that I'm running with an odd  
monitor configuration and the TH2G specs look like it wont support my  
config.  I have 2 x 17" LCD @ 1280x1024 and a 22" LCD @ 1600x1050,  
combined this is greater than the widest resolution the TH2G can  
handle (~3400x1024).  Anyone know if this can be dealt with without  
giving up the 1600x1050 res on the 22" monitor?

-Freeman


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On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Gene Buckle wrote:

> Here's a good excuse to buy one if you didn't have one yet. :)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmrylvU6FTs
>
> g.
>
>
> -- 
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>
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> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Apr 30 20:33:06 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:33:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go...
In-Reply-To: <2901C698-67C0-43F0-999A-9517426CAC95@pascal.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704302031080.94097-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> The only thing holding me back is that I'm running with an odd
> monitor configuration and the TH2G specs look like it wont support my
> config.  I have 2 x 17" LCD @ 1280x1024 and a 22" LCD @ 1600x1050,
> combined this is greater than the widest resolution the TH2G can
> handle (~3400x1024).  Anyone know if this can be dealt with without
> giving up the 1600x1050 res on the 22" monitor?
>

Freeman, the unit will drive the displays at 1280x1024, reguardless of
what their native resolution is.

To get the most out of the T2G, you really should use 3 of the same
display though.

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Apr 30 23:50:15 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:50:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704301520090.93698-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705010749510.9015-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

> Here's a good excuse to buy one if you didn't have one yet. :)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmrylvU6FTs


Such a sweet toy - I'm amazed they aren't being sold on every street
corner!


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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Apr 30 23:51:10 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:51:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go...
In-Reply-To: <2901C698-67C0-43F0-999A-9517426CAC95@pascal.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705010750490.9015-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Freeman Pascal wrote:

> Normally I sit back and I'm happy to lurk on this list, lusting over
> pits, shops, and ideas shared here.
>
> I have looked at the TripleHead2Go several times.  In the past I
> haven't bought one because it didn't work with the Radeon 9600s I had
> in my system.  Now I have a new system (core 2 duo 6600, 4Gb RAM, 2 x
> nVidia 8800 GTS) and I'm tempted again.
>
> The only thing holding me back is that I'm running with an odd
> monitor configuration and the TH2G specs look like it wont support my
> config.  I have 2 x 17" LCD @ 1280x1024 and a 22" LCD @ 1600x1050,
> combined this is greater than the widest resolution the TH2G can
> handle (~3400x1024).  Anyone know if this can be dealt with without
> giving up the 1600x1050 res on the 22" monitor?


The docs with mine (Analog edition) stated max res of 3840x1024.

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Liverpool University.
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Apr 30 23:52:22 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:52:22 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0704302031080.94097-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705010751440.9015-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

> To get the most out of the T2G, you really should use 3 of the same
> display though.


Hey, how about taking the outputs from the T2G into three more T2G's ...

Damn, I'm sick!

--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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