From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Fri Dec  1 21:35:06 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:35:06 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Link trainer project on eBay...
In-Reply-To: <e4ab9543e56140e184e7d2dbd50bc39c.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <e4ab9543e56140e184e7d2dbd50bc39c.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061202183428.02017e48@paradise.net.nz>

<Sigh>  What I would give to have a Link....

$300 is a real shame.

SeanG

At 12:33 p.m. 30/11/2006, you wrote:
>:( $300 and no bids... that is a SHAME.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Gene Buckle
>Sent: 11/29/06 4:21:23 PM
>To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Subject: [simpits-tech] Link trainer project on eBay...
>
> >
> > 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-WWII-Link-Trainer-flight-simulator-Aviation_W0QQitemZ280050867453QQihZ018QQcategoryZ14050QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> > Good project for someone in CA!
> >
> > g.
> >
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From Placertogo at aol.com  Sat Dec  2 10:01:39 2006
From: Placertogo at aol.com (Placertogo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:01:39 EST
Subject: [simpits-tech] Space Shuttle Toggle Switch on eBay
Message-ID: <c0e.51290dc.32a31983@aol.com>

>From the North American Rockwell part and project numbers, this appears to  
be the genuine article:
 
_http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Toggle-Switch-from-Space-Shuttle-Orbiter_W0QQitemZ18
0057367902QQihZ008QQcategoryZ13904QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Toggle-Switch-from-Space-Shuttle-Orbiter_W0QQitemZ1800573
67902QQihZ008QQcategoryZ13904QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) 
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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  2 16:10:24 2006
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:10:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Harddrives
In-Reply-To: <mailman.159.1165082509.2361.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <288628.75457.qm@web52009.mail.yahoo.com>

is it Ok to use a SATA and IDE harddrive on the same
machine?



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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Dec  2 16:25:57 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:25:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Harddrives
In-Reply-To: <288628.75457.qm@web52009.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612021624510.46689-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> is it Ok to use a SATA and IDE harddrive on the same
> machine?
>
Yes.  They're two different versions of the same interface.  One is serial
(SATA) and one is parallel (ATA or "PATA").  If your motherboard has
support for both types, you're set.  If it doesn't, you can buy a PCI card
that can supply either ATA or SATA, your choice.

g.



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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Mon Dec  4 01:33:37 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:33:37 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project Magenta's Fighter MFD
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061204222429.01e95f90@paradise.net.nz>

I am trying to find out the capabilities of PM's "FighterMFD".
Downloaded the demo, read all the info on the website etc, but I am 
finding conflicting information.

Matt Wietlpach's Website shows some cool features, but PM can't 
confirm if they are in fact real.  Check 
out:  http://www.mattssimulator.com/sim_013.htm for what I am talking about.
I am specifically interested in whether the Nav mode display will 
display a flightplan generated by the PM CDU software, and whether 
the "terrain" data shown is the same as used in the PM "Boeing Glass".

Anyhow.. I am keen to hear from anyone who uses, or has used PM 
FighterMFD.  I am thinking about using it for one MFD in the Skyhawk 
(I know it isn't right for the 'Kahu' Skyhawk, but hey, I aint that fussy)

SeanG


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Dec  4 08:00:52 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:00:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project Magenta's Fighter MFD
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061204222429.01e95f90@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612040800230.50424-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Matt Wietlpach's Website shows some cool features, but PM can't
> confirm if they are in fact real.  Check
> out:  http://www.mattssimulator.com/sim_013.htm for what I am talking about.
> I am specifically interested in whether the Nav mode display will
> display a flightplan generated by the PM CDU software, and whether
> the "terrain" data shown is the same as used in the PM "Boeing Glass".
>
> Anyhow.. I am keen to hear from anyone who uses, or has used PM
> FighterMFD.  I am thinking about using it for one MFD in the Skyhawk
> (I know it isn't right for the 'Kahu' Skyhawk, but hey, I aint that fussy)
>

Sean, have you emailed Enrico over at PM yet?  I'm sure he'd be happy to
answer whatever questions you've got.

g.

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From scerrito at adelphia.net  Mon Dec  4 08:41:59 2006
From: scerrito at adelphia.net (Scott)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:41:59 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project Magenta's Fighter MFD
References: <7.0.0.16.0.20061204222429.01e95f90@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <002f01c717c3$1e023070$0701a8c0@DARKWOLF2>

Sean,

Last year I contacted PM in:re the Fighter MFD.  I was told (I'll try to
find that email for you if you would like) that the FighterMFD is no longer
being supported.  The best view of the FighterMFD is in the movie Behind
Enemy Lines, the MFD's in the F-18 at the begining are PM's FighterMFD...
They told me that I could still purchase the product, however it is no
longer being developed or supported...  I am going with the regional glass
cockpit for my simpit....   PM's stuff is really neat, the drawback is the
recomendation that each mfd have a dedicated cpu (ie, whole computer and vid
card).  I'll go back though my emails and find that info for you...

Scott Cerrito
scerrito at adelphia.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Galbraith" <sean.g at paradise.net.nz>
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:33 AM
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project Magenta's Fighter MFD


> I am trying to find out the capabilities of PM's "FighterMFD".
> Downloaded the demo, read all the info on the website etc, but I am
> finding conflicting information.
>
> Matt Wietlpach's Website shows some cool features, but PM can't
> confirm if they are in fact real.  Check
> out:  http://www.mattssimulator.com/sim_013.htm for what I am talking
about.
> I am specifically interested in whether the Nav mode display will
> display a flightplan generated by the PM CDU software, and whether
> the "terrain" data shown is the same as used in the PM "Boeing Glass".
>
> Anyhow.. I am keen to hear from anyone who uses, or has used PM
> FighterMFD.  I am thinking about using it for one MFD in the Skyhawk
> (I know it isn't right for the 'Kahu' Skyhawk, but hey, I aint that fussy)
>
> SeanG
>
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From idekkers at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 10:02:05 2006
From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:02:05 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project Magenta's Fighter MFD
In-Reply-To: <002f01c717c3$1e023070$0701a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
References: <7.0.0.16.0.20061204222429.01e95f90@paradise.net.nz>
	<002f01c717c3$1e023070$0701a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
Message-ID: <39e5de8d0612041002p1d707d1fsc360164e55dfb4b0@mail.gmail.com>

not that i know much about PM
but isn't it for MSFS ?
AFAIK the new X version has at least part of the stuff built in or more
easily accessed.
though i may be wrong.

Ido

On 12/4/06, Scott <scerrito at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> Last year I contacted PM in:re the Fighter MFD.  I was told (I'll try to
> find that email for you if you would like) that the FighterMFD is no
> longer
> being supported.  The best view of the FighterMFD is in the movie Behind
> Enemy Lines, the MFD's in the F-18 at the begining are PM's FighterMFD...
> They told me that I could still purchase the product, however it is no
> longer being developed or supported...  I am going with the regional glass
> cockpit for my simpit....   PM's stuff is really neat, the drawback is the
> recomendation that each mfd have a dedicated cpu (ie, whole computer and
> vid
> card).  I'll go back though my emails and find that info for you...
>
> Scott Cerrito
> scerrito at adelphia.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean Galbraith" <sean.g at paradise.net.nz>
> To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:33 AM
> Subject: [simpits-tech] Project Magenta's Fighter MFD
>
>
> > I am trying to find out the capabilities of PM's "FighterMFD".
> > Downloaded the demo, read all the info on the website etc, but I am
> > finding conflicting information.
> >
> > Matt Wietlpach's Website shows some cool features, but PM can't
> > confirm if they are in fact real.  Check
> > out:  http://www.mattssimulator.com/sim_013.htm for what I am talking
> about.
> > I am specifically interested in whether the Nav mode display will
> > display a flightplan generated by the PM CDU software, and whether
> > the "terrain" data shown is the same as used in the PM "Boeing Glass".
> >
> > Anyhow.. I am keen to hear from anyone who uses, or has used PM
> > FighterMFD.  I am thinking about using it for one MFD in the Skyhawk
> > (I know it isn't right for the 'Kahu' Skyhawk, but hey, I aint that
> fussy)
> >
> > SeanG
> >
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Mon Dec  4 16:22:35 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:22:35 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project Magenta's Fighter MFD
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612040800230.50424-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612040800230.50424-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <1165278155.4574bbcb141f7@www.paradise.net.nz>

Quoting Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>:

> > Matt Wietlpach's Website shows some cool features, but PM can't
> > confirm if they are in fact real. Check
> > out: http://www.mattssimulator.com/sim_013.htm for what I am talking
> about.
> > I am specifically interested in whether the Nav mode display will
> > display a flightplan generated by the PM CDU software, and whether
> > the "terrain" data shown is the same as used in the PM "Boeing
> Glass".
> >
> > Anyhow.. I am keen to hear from anyone who uses, or has used PM
> > FighterMFD. I am thinking about using it for one MFD in the Skyhawk
> > (I know it isn't right for the 'Kahu' Skyhawk, but hey, I aint that
> fussy)
> >
> 
> Sean, have you emailed Enrico over at PM yet? I'm sure he'd be happy to
> answer whatever questions you've got.
> 
> g.
>

Now that is too sensible an answer...  I will do that.  Hopefully he will be
more help than I have received from them so far <lol>

SeanG

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Dec  4 20:10:26 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:10:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] EMB-110 cockpit, cheeep!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612042010040.51633-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/AIRCRAFT-COCKPIT-EMB-110-BANDIT_W0QQitemZ120060184310QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3606QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

g.



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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Tue Dec  5 00:22:30 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:22:30 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] EMB-110 cockpit, cheeep!
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612042010040.51633-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c71846$823f43b0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

I think the last thing they guy could have done to totally strip it out 
would be to de rivit the individual pannels..... now thats a "shell"

ben

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] EMB-110 cockpit, cheeep!


> http://cgi.ebay.com/AIRCRAFT-COCKPIT-EMB-110-BANDIT_W0QQitemZ120060184310QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3606QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> g.
>
>
>
> -- 
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>



From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Tue Dec  5 01:40:53 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:40:53 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project Magenta's Fighter MFD
In-Reply-To: <002f01c717c3$1e023070$0701a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
References: <7.0.0.16.0.20061204222429.01e95f90@paradise.net.nz>
	<002f01c717c3$1e023070$0701a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061205223848.01b44970@paradise.net.nz>


>Last year I contacted PM in:re the Fighter MFD.  I was told (I'll try to
>find that email for you if you would like) that the FighterMFD is no longer
>being supported.  The best view of the FighterMFD is in the movie Behind
>Enemy Lines, the MFD's in the F-18 at the begining are PM's FighterMFD...
>They told me that I could still purchase the product, however it is no
>longer being developed or supported...  I am going with the regional glass
>cockpit for my simpit....   PM's stuff is really neat, the drawback is the
>recomendation that each mfd have a dedicated cpu (ie, whole computer and vid
>card).  I'll go back though my emails and find that info for you...

Yep, I got the "no longer being supported" line, but that's fine by 
me.  Likewise with the separate PC to run it, I have planned on about 
5 machines to run my sim anyway.

SeanG


From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  5 06:26:12 2006
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 06:26:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 40, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22.1165311662.2352.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <412074.14304.qm@web52012.mail.yahoo.com>

Im sure Matt's info is correct. He's reliable. Did you
email him?  

>From what PM told me in the past FMFD was bomb on the
market, so there will not be another one made by them.
They used to be pestered to make a FMFD but after they
released it almost no one bought it. Maybe it would
have done better if it was for the F-16...

Justin

> 
> > I am trying to find out the capabilities of PM's
> "FighterMFD".
> > Downloaded the demo, read all the info on the
> website etc, but I am
> > finding conflicting information.
> >
> > Matt Wietlpach's Website shows some cool features,
> but PM can't
> > confirm if they are in fact real.  Check
> > out:  http://www.mattssimulator.com/sim_013.htm
> for what I am talking
> about.
> > I am specifically interested in whether the Nav
> mode display will
> > display a flightplan generated by the PM CDU
> software, and whether
> > the "terrain" data shown is the same as used in
> the PM "Boeing Glass".
> >
> > Anyhow.. I am keen to hear from anyone who uses,
> or has used PM
> > FighterMFD.  I am thinking about using it for one
> MFD in the Skyhawk
> > (I know it isn't right for the 'Kahu' Skyhawk, but
> hey, I aint that fussy)
> >
> > SeanG


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Dec  5 06:54:25 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 06:54:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] EMB-110 cockpit, cheeep!
In-Reply-To: <001a01c71846$823f43b0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612050653170.52727-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I think the last thing they guy could have done to totally strip it out
> would be to de rivit the individual pannels..... now thats a "shell"
>
It is kind of weird how it looks.  I wonder if he got a wreck that he
restored.  He may have only gotten as far as restoring the shell.  It does
look like a personal cockpit project considering all the FDS gear he's
also selling.

g.



 --
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Dec  5 07:02:10 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:02:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 40, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <412074.14304.qm@web52012.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612050655580.52727-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> >From what PM told me in the past FMFD was bomb on the
> market, so there will not be another one made by them.
> They used to be pestered to make a FMFD but after they
> released it almost no one bought it. Maybe it would
> have done better if it was for the F-16...
>
The problem that I saw with it was that it didn't follow any specific
aircraft that much.  The other problem is that it's quite task specific.
For example, unless you've got a real HUD to use it with, the HUD display
would only be good for the HUD repeater page in an F-15E MPD or an F/A-18
DDI.

That said, I've got a copy of it and I'll use the HUD mode when I build a
cockpit around the A7 HUD I have.

Speaking of which, I saw a NIB A7 HUD on eBay last night.  It's pretty
expensive, but would work for those building an F-16A or similar.  Matt
W.'s HUD is the same unit with the F-16 UFC on it.  The HUD was made by
Canada Marconi and was used in the early F-16As.

g.



 --
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Dec 10 01:28:15 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:28:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project update...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612100125210.65891-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

I'm working on a massive update to the F-15 sim site - I'm going to bring
everyone up to date on what I've been dealing with for the last year.
You'll get a chuckle out of it I hope.  (well maybe not for the first part
- *grin*)

http://www.f15sim.com

I should get more written tomorrow.

I'm also looking at completely rebuilding the Simpits website using an
open source CMS called "Joomla!"  I should have something for you folks to
look at soon.

thanks for looking!

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Sun Dec 10 08:43:11 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:43:11 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project update...
Message-ID: <c5bf39b2289c436597ec6f0212614c71.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Sure is nice you can have a sense of humor about it, Gene. I'd be in jail for multiple homicide by now if I were in your shoes.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Buckle
Sent: 12/10/06 4:28:15 AM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project update...

> I'm working on a massive update to the F-15 sim site - I'm going to bring
> everyone up to date on what I've been dealing with for the last year.
> You'll get a chuckle out of it I hope.  (well maybe not for the first part
> - *grin*)
> 
> http://www.f15sim.com
> 
> I should get more written tomorrow.
> 
> I'm also looking at completely rebuilding the Simpits website using an
> open source CMS called "Joomla!"  I should have something for you folks to
> look at soon.
> 
> thanks for looking!
> 
> g.
> 
> 
> -- 
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
> 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> 
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Dec 10 13:08:54 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:08:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project update...
In-Reply-To: <c5bf39b2289c436597ec6f0212614c71.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101306450.67182-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Sure is nice you can have a sense of humor about it, Gene. I'd be in
> jail for multiple homicide by now if I were in your shoes.
>

Heh.  You haven't seen Page 2 yet. :)  Trust me, during this whole process
my blood pressure has been high.  I'm quite sure that when I found out
about the screwup on the height I could've opened up a vein and used it as
a water jet cutter.

g.




 --
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From allendc at qwest.net  Sun Dec 10 13:04:03 2006
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:04:03 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project update...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101306450.67182-100000@grumble.deltasoft .com>
References: <c5bf39b2289c436597ec6f0212614c71.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101306450.67182-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20061210210412.C0FBC62D475@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net>

It looks like from one of the pictures,  they cut the poles to height 
after they finished framing?

David

At 01:08 PM 12/10/2006 -0800, you wrote:
> > Sure is nice you can have a sense of humor about it, Gene. I'd be in
> > jail for multiple homicide by now if I were in your shoes.
> >
>
>Heh.  You haven't seen Page 2 yet. :)  Trust me, during this whole process
>my blood pressure has been high.  I'm quite sure that when I found out
>about the screwup on the height I could've opened up a vein and used it as
>a water jet cutter.
>
>g.
>
>
>
>
>  --
>"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
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>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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From adm.design at verizon.net  Sun Dec 10 13:26:07 2006
From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:26:07 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project update...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101306450.67182-100000@grumble.deltasoft .com>
References: <c5bf39b2289c436597ec6f0212614c71.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101306450.67182-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20061210162540.01d12020@incoming.verizon.net>

At 04:08 PM 12/10/2006, you wrote:
>Heh.  You haven't seen Page 2 yet. :)  Trust me, during this whole process
>my blood pressure has been high.  I'm quite sure that when I found out
>about the screwup on the height I could've opened up a vein and used it as
>a water jet cutter.
>
>g.

...dude...

  - adm -



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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Dec 10 15:18:13 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:18:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project update...
In-Reply-To: <20061210210412.C0FBC62D475@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101516160.67371-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> It looks like from one of the pictures,  they cut the poles to height
> after they finished framing?
>

Yes.  The poles are quite a bit longer than needed and they're cut down to
size once the trusses are in place.  Too bad those idiots don't know how
to read a dimension. *sigh*

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Dec 10 15:18:59 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:18:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Project update...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20061210162540.01d12020@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101518420.67371-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> At 04:08 PM 12/10/2006, you wrote:
> >Heh.  You haven't seen Page 2 yet. :)  Trust me, during this whole process
> >my blood pressure has been high.  I'm quite sure that when I found out
> >about the screwup on the height I could've opened up a vein and used it as
> >a water jet cutter.
> >
> >g.
>
> ...dude...
>
>   - adm -
>

I know, crude visual isn't it? *laughs*

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Dec 10 16:16:36 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:16:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101615020.67466-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Go take a peek folks. :)

Just FYI, a new member showed up today!  Welcome!  His email address leads
me to believe that he's with http://www.simdeck.com.  It looks like a damn
neat idea!

g.


-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 10 17:09:06 2006
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:09:06 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101615020.67466-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <001601c71cc0$f4e44e50$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

Nice update Gene...I was laughing my ass off.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:17 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...

Go take a peek folks. :)

Just FYI, a new member showed up today!  Welcome!  His email address leads
me to believe that he's with http://www.simdeck.com.  It looks like a damn
neat idea!

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Dec 10 17:23:47 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:23:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
In-Reply-To: <001601c71cc0$f4e44e50$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101723190.67576-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>


> Nice update Gene...I was laughing my ass off.
>

Hehe.  That just means you used inferior fasteners to hold it on. :)

Thanks!


g.


-- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 10 17:25:23 2006
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:25:23 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101723190.67576-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c71cc3$3b0d5b40$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

Come to think of it...they did come from a construction company in WA state.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:24 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...


> Nice update Gene...I was laughing my ass off.
>

Hehe.  That just means you used inferior fasteners to hold it on. :)

Thanks!


g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Dec 10 17:42:27 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:42:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
In-Reply-To: <001d01c71cc3$3b0d5b40$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612101742080.67607-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Come to think of it...they did come from a construction company in WA state.
>
Must have been galvanized asshats then. :)

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Sun Dec 10 17:48:54 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:48:54 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
Message-ID: <aef6e26d025348bbb9111496fcffa1bb.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Funny, my galvanized asshat has held on fine so far....
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Buckle
Sent: 12/10/06 8:42:27 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...

> > Come to think of it...they did come from a construction company in WA state.
> >
> Must have been galvanized asshats then. :)
> 
> g.
> 
> -- 
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
> 
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> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Mon Dec 11 00:44:11 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:44:11 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
References: <aef6e26d025348bbb9111496fcffa1bb.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <008f01c71d00$882c2b30$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

My  Stainless Asshat is going strong, just needs a bit of a buff up.

Oh that sounds so wrong 8-(

Ben


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Sikkema" <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...


> Funny, my galvanized asshat has held on fine so far....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene Buckle
> Sent: 12/10/06 8:42:27 PM
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
>
>> > Come to think of it...they did come from a construction company in WA 
>> > state.
>> >
>> Must have been galvanized asshats then. :)
>>
>> g.
>>
>> -- 
>> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>>
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>> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>>
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Dec 11 02:27:33 2006
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:27:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
In-Reply-To: <008f01c71d00$882c2b30$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612111026510.27225-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Ben Jones wrote:

> My  Stainless Asshat is going strong, just needs a bit of a buff up.
>
> Oh that sounds so wrong 8-(
>

I was about to say "you bet your ass it does"

but that doesn't sound too clever in this context either...


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Dec 11 06:58:36 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 06:58:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update completed...
In-Reply-To: <008f01c71d00$882c2b30$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612110658100.69087-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> My  Stainless Asshat is going strong, just needs a bit of a buff up.
>
> Oh that sounds so wrong 8-(
>

*snicker*  You go Ben!

*rofl*

g.

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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Wed Dec 13 00:21:08 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:21:08 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
Message-ID: <000701c71e8f$a4efbd00$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>


Subject: B1-B on it's belly


OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
 
http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html


Ben


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From adm.design at verizon.net  Wed Dec 13 09:34:20 2006
From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:34:20 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
In-Reply-To: <000701c71e8f$a4efbd00$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
References: <000701c71e8f$a4efbd00$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20061213123326.01d559f0@incoming.verizon.net>



"terrain terrain terrain"

"pull up, pull up, pull up"


At 03:21 AM 12/13/2006, you wrote:
>
>Subject: B1-B on it's belly
>
>
>
>OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
>
><http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html>http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
>
>Ben
>
>
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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 13 11:31:30 2006
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:31:30 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
In-Reply-To: <000701c71e8f$a4efbd00$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <00e701c71eed$4ddadd20$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

How the "bleep" do you forget to put the landing gear down??

 

Jay

 

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ben Jones
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:21 AM
To: Simpits-tech Post Message
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

 

 

Subject: B1-B on it's belly

 

OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
 
http://www.zianet. <http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html>
com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html

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From allendc at qwest.net  Wed Dec 13 11:38:56 2006
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:38:56 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
In-Reply-To: <00e701c71eed$4ddadd20$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
References: <000701c71e8f$a4efbd00$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed Dec 13 10:29:37 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:29:37 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
Message-ID: <a7044df78eb84c8fafa350ca73a4b0cd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Basically it went like this:

The pilots (who I've heard were not exactly the cream of the crop - in fact I heard the comment "something like this was bound to happen") had been in a holding pattern waiting to land for some time (a couple of hours, I believe). Due to weather and other conditions they were in a low and slow holding pattern, so the gear warning announciator was going off, so they silenced it. Then when they finally did go in for landing, they forgot to turn the announciator back on.

Of course it's pretty bad that you need the gear announciator in order to remember what to do... But that's the whole story (or at least the whole story as I have heard it from other B1 guys).

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Fagner
Sent: 12/13/06 2:31:30 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

> How the "bleep" do you forget to put the landing gear down??
> 
>  
> 
> Jay
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ben Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:21 AM
> To: Simpits-tech Post Message
> Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Subject: B1-B on it's belly
> 
>  
> 
> OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
>  
> http://www.zianet. <http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html>
> com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
> 
> Ben
> 
>  
> 
> 


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed Dec 13 10:31:30 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:31:30 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
Message-ID: <cef7c7f92d1746c1826760772d536034.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Oh yeah and forgot one little tidbit:

They said afterwards that their FIRST indication that something was wrong was the engines spooling down (because they were FODding out due to, I dunno, eating asphalt).

The fact that they were sitting 10-12 feet lower than normal apparently did not strike them as odd.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Fagner
Sent: 12/13/06 2:31:30 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

> How the "bleep" do you forget to put the landing gear down??
> 
>  
> 
> Jay
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ben Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:21 AM
> To: Simpits-tech Post Message
> Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Subject: B1-B on it's belly
> 
>  
> 
> OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
>  
> http://www.zianet. <http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html>
> com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
> 
> Ben
> 
>  
> 
> 


From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 13 12:14:54 2006
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:14:54 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
In-Reply-To: <cef7c7f92d1746c1826760772d536034.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <001501c71ef3$5b319210$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

What about the large "grinding" noise that was coming from the back of the
plane?  Did that not strike them as odd?

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:32 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

Oh yeah and forgot one little tidbit:

They said afterwards that their FIRST indication that something was wrong
was the engines spooling down (because they were FODding out due to, I
dunno, eating asphalt).

The fact that they were sitting 10-12 feet lower than normal apparently did
not strike them as odd.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Fagner
Sent: 12/13/06 2:31:30 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

> How the "bleep" do you forget to put the landing gear down??
> 
>  
> 
> Jay
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ben Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:21 AM
> To: Simpits-tech Post Message
> Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Subject: B1-B on it's belly
> 
>  
> 
> OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
>  
> http://www.zianet. <http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html>
> com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
> 
> Ben
> 
>  
> 
> 

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From cyplesma at aol.com  Wed Dec 13 12:31:27 2006
From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:31:27 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
In-Reply-To: <001501c71ef3$5b319210$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <8C8ED0CCC647F71-13C0-5313@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com>

 Weell, if they were in the air doing a holding pattern for hours in bad weather, I'm sure they just forgot what it was like to land.
 
 
 When your flying a sim plane around like that if you need to get up and do something we do have a "PAUSE" button.
 
 
 8 ) 
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 3:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
 
  What about the large "grinding" noise that was coming from the back of the
plane?  Did that not strike them as odd?

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:32 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

Oh yeah and forgot one little tidbit:

They said afterwards that their FIRST indication that something was wrong
was the engines spooling down (because they were FODding out due to, I
dunno, eating asphalt).

The fact that they were sitting 10-12 feet lower than normal apparently did
not strike them as odd.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Fagner
Sent: 12/13/06 2:31:30 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

> How the "bleep" do you forget to put the landing gear down??
> 
>  
> 
> Jay
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ben Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:21 AM
> To: Simpits-tech Post Message
> Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Subject: B1-B on it's belly
> 
>  
> 
> OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
>  
> http://www.zianet. <http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html>
> com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
> 
> Ben
> 
>  
> 
> 

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed Dec 13 11:33:46 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:33:46 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
Message-ID: <f1b7e66945454b91bb75c41f8297be74.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Or what I would assume is a more rapid decelleration than you would have if you were, say, rolling....

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Fagner
Sent: 12/13/06 3:14:54 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

> What about the large "grinding" noise that was coming from the back of the
> plane?  Did that not strike them as odd?
> 
> Jay
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:32 PM
> To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
> Oh yeah and forgot one little tidbit:
> 
> They said afterwards that their FIRST indication that something was wrong
> was the engines spooling down (because they were FODding out due to, I
> dunno, eating asphalt).
> 
> The fact that they were sitting 10-12 feet lower than normal apparently did
> not strike them as odd.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Fagner
> Sent: 12/13/06 2:31:30 PM
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
> > How the "bleep" do you forget to put the landing gear down??
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Jay
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ben Jones
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:21 AM
> > To: Simpits-tech Post Message
> > Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Subject: B1-B on it's belly
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
> >  
> > http://www.zianet. <http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html>
> > com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
> > 
> > Ben
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
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From cyplesma at aol.com  Wed Dec 13 13:05:37 2006
From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:05:37 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
In-Reply-To: <f1b7e66945454b91bb75c41f8297be74.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <f1b7e66945454b91bb75c41f8297be74.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
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 but there is no stopping that kind of stop once you start that kind of stop
 
 
 hehe 
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 2:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
 
  Or what I would assume is a more rapid decelleration than you would have if you 
were, say, rolling....

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Fagner
Sent: 12/13/06 3:14:54 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly

> What about the large "grinding" noise that was coming from the back of the
> plane?  Did that not strike them as odd?
> 
> Jay
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:32 PM
> To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
> Oh yeah and forgot one little tidbit:
> 
> They said afterwards that their FIRST indication that something was wrong
> was the engines spooling down (because they were FODding out due to, I
> dunno, eating asphalt).
> 
> The fact that they were sitting 10-12 feet lower than normal apparently did
> not strike them as odd.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Fagner
> Sent: 12/13/06 2:31:30 PM
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
> > How the "bleep" do you forget to put the landing gear down??
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Jay
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ben Jones
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:21 AM
> > To: Simpits-tech Post Message
> > Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Subject: B1-B on it's belly
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > OUCH!!!   Great shot of a "gotcha" - or make that "forgotcha"....
> >  
> > http://www.zianet. <http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html>
> > com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
> > 
> > Ben
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 13 15:39:44 2006
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:39:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech B1-B on it's belly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.238.1166043954.2352.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <247457.34628.qm@web52002.mail.yahoo.com>

The plane seems to have taken it rather well. I guess
that was the best location to have it happen! That is
a base that can fix it. 

Justin

> To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list"
> <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:29:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
> 
> Basically it went like this:
> 
> The pilots (who I've heard were not exactly the
> cream of the crop - in fact I heard the comment
> "something like this was bound to happen") had been
> in a holding pattern waiting to land for some time
> (a couple of hours, I believe). Due to weather and
> other conditions they were in a low and slow holding
> pattern, so the gear warning announciator was going
> off, so they silenced it. Then when they finally did
> go in for landing, they forgot to turn the
> announciator back on.
> 
> Of course it's pretty bad that you need the gear
> announciator in order to remember what to do... But
> that's the whole story (or at least the whole story
> as I have heard it from other B1 guys).
> 
> Brian


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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Wed Dec 13 17:45:31 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:45:31 +0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
References: <00e701c71eed$4ddadd20$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <007101c71f21$8a983080$0b00000a@BenLaptop>

You would think that for umpteen billion dollars cost of the plane , you should not be able to silence the horn sound , and if you forgot the gear why dont it say " Gear down Please Captn"

I was flying a kingair recently you can mute warning signals at altitude, but below 100ft everything de- mutes and gets 2x louder handy when doing gear up approaches and cargo drops.


But then sounds like the 2 boys up front are buttheads and prob will only ever ferry them around.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph Fagner 
  To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' 
  Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:31 AM
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  How the "bleep" do you forget to put the landing gear down??

   

  Jay

   
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed Dec 13 15:49:56 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:49:56 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
Message-ID: <152673c3334a44a3b92408e2eed63f4d.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>


> 
> But then sounds like the 2 boys up front are buttheads and prob will only ever ferry them around.

After this I would be very surprised if they're flying anything but a desk for the rest of their career.


From rhommel at mad.scientist.com  Thu Dec 14 02:11:21 2006
From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:11:21 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
Message-ID: <20061214101123.910261BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>

It would not surprise me if they were looking for employment in the
civilian sector as airline pilots an day now.
Keep 'em Flying
Rob Hommel

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Brian Sikkema"
  To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list"
  Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B1-B on it's belly
  Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:49:56 -0500



  >
  > But then sounds like the 2 boys up front are buttheads and prob
  > will only ever ferry them around.

  After this I would be very surprised if they're flying anything but
  a desk for the rest of their career.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Mon Dec 18 19:40:24 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:40:24 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
Message-ID: <9ee1d99bf7f746bba116d2cb09dca5e6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Be prepared to spend some time reading this, but I'm telling you right now it's worth every second.

Anyone who's been exposed to the internet for more than an hour or so has most likely heard the rocket car story. Guy straps a JATO rocket to a car, flies it into a mountainside.

Clearly it's an urban legend, and I always figured someone just made it up.

Well, as it turns out... it has roots in reality (or at least what I think is reality - this IS the internet, so this guy may just be a very, very good bullshitter).

I give you:
http://www.rocketcarstory.com/

The REAL Rocket Car....

Turns out it was a '59 Impala, not a '67.....

Brian


From cyplesma at aol.com  Mon Dec 18 23:28:19 2006
From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 02:28:19 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <9ee1d99bf7f746bba116d2cb09dca5e6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <9ee1d99bf7f746bba116d2cb09dca5e6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <8C8F156641B6DB5-1588-307F@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com>

 I remember this story being passed around the military office via copy machine during the mid 80's.
 
 
 some of you might remember that's how jokes made their way around the world before the internet went public.
 
  
 -----Original Message-----
 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:40 PM
 Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
 
  Be prepared to spend some time reading this, but I'm telling you right now it's 
worth every second.

Anyone who's been exposed to the internet for more than an hour or so has most 
likely heard the rocket car story. Guy straps a JATO rocket to a car, flies it 
into a mountainside.

Clearly it's an urban legend, and I always figured someone just made it up.

Well, as it turns out... it has roots in reality (or at least what I think is 
reality - this IS the internet, so this guy may just be a very, very good 
bullshitter).

I give you:
http://www.rocketcarstory.com/

The REAL Rocket Car....

Turns out it was a '59 Impala, not a '67.....

Brian

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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Tue Dec 19 00:55:17 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:55:17 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <8C8F156641B6DB5-1588-307F@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com>
References: <9ee1d99bf7f746bba116d2cb09dca5e6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
	<8C8F156641B6DB5-1588-307F@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061219215419.01b92880@paradise.net.nz>

At 08:28 p.m. 19/12/2006, you wrote:
>I remember this story being passed around the military office via 
>copy machine during the mid 80's.
>
>
>some of you might remember that's how jokes made their way around 
>the world before the internet went public.


Yeah I remember the days when jokes where photocopied sooooo many 
times that by the time you got to see them they were barely 
legible...  cor.  That was a while ago :)

SeanG


From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Tue Dec 19 01:57:12 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:57:12 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
References: <9ee1d99bf7f746bba116d2cb09dca5e6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <001701c72354$0e887f40$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

Phew that was long , it took me a six pack to get thru it,

The things that made me laugh were ..


"The Darwin Award", an "...honor (posthumously) bestowed on people who did 
the most good for humanity by removing themselves from the communal 
gene-pool".

and


 I mentioned that I didn't want to take one of the parachutes from the shed, 
because I knew he'd find out one was missing.
          He said "You mean there were still some parachutes left in that 
shed? Shit I'd thought I'd sold them all."

          Son of a bitch.



Ben



> I give you:
> http://www.rocketcarstory.com/
>
> The REAL Rocket Car....
>
> Turns out it was a '59 Impala, not a '67.....
>
> Brian



From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Dec 19 03:19:15 2006
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:19:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <9ee1d99bf7f746bba116d2cb09dca5e6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612191119020.10855-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> Be prepared to spend some time reading this, but I'm telling you right now it's worth every second.
>

Fun reading - thanks Brian!

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From idekkers at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 02:35:07 2006
From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:35:07 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612191119020.10855-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <9ee1d99bf7f746bba116d2cb09dca5e6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0612191119020.10855-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <39e5de8d0612190235g35362b2dv86e6fa4e1f11de96@mail.gmail.com>

actually this myth was busted by the MythBusters from the discovery channel.

Ido

On 12/19/06, Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Brian Sikkema wrote:
>
> > Be prepared to spend some time reading this, but I'm telling you right
> now it's worth every second.
> >
>
> Fun reading - thanks Brian!
>
> --
>
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> Liverpool University.
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Tue Dec 19 05:44:15 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:44:15 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
Message-ID: <6d5a8b5b7a90431383fac44ea7a67fbf.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Yes it was, and he mentions this in the story.

The real thing wasn't just a car with a rocket strapped to it. There was a lot more to it than that which makes it very plausible, if you read the guys story.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ido Dekkers
Sent: 12/19/06 5:35:07 AM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!

> actually this myth was busted by the MythBusters from the discovery channel.
> 
> Ido
> 
> On 12/19/06, Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Brian Sikkema wrote:
> >
> > > Be prepared to spend some time reading this, but I'm telling you right
> > now it's worth every second.
> > >
> >
> > Fun reading - thanks Brian!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Roy Coates.
> > Dept of Engineering.
> > Liverpool University.
> > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
> > Tel: 0151 794 4862
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs
> > meter.
> >
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Dec 19 07:18:03 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:18:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061219215419.01b92880@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612190717310.5170-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> At 08:28 p.m. 19/12/2006, you wrote:
> >I remember this story being passed around the military office via
> >copy machine during the mid 80's.
> >
> >
> >some of you might remember that's how jokes made their way around
> >the world before the internet went public.
>
>
> Yeah I remember the days when jokes where photocopied sooooo many
> times that by the time you got to see them they were barely
> legible...  cor.  That was a while ago :)
>

What about the smell of freshly mimeographed paper? *laughs*

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Dec 19 09:32:35 2006
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:32:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612190717310.5170-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612191732140.11168-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Gene Buckle wrote:

>
> What about the smell of freshly mimeographed paper? *laughs*
>

Oh wow!  I had forgotten about that!

Roy.  (15 years old again).


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Dec 19 10:37:31 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:37:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612191732140.11168-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612191035560.5476-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> >
> > What about the smell of freshly mimeographed paper? *laughs*
> >
>
> Oh wow!  I had forgotten about that!
>
> Roy.  (15 years old again).
>
Holy cow!  I never knew they had paper back then... *gd&r*

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Tue Dec 19 10:37:23 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:37:23 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612191035560.5476-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612191732140.11168-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0612191035560.5476-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061220073437.01fc28b0@paradise.net.nz>

At 07:37 a.m. 20/12/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > What about the smell of freshly mimeographed paper? *laughs*
> > >
> >
> > Oh wow!  I had forgotten about that!
> >
> > Roy.  (15 years old again).
> >
>Holy cow!  I never knew they had paper back then... *gd&r*

Haha!   And remember back about then when most stuff would be printed 
on newsprint, because "good" paper was too expensive to waste on 
stuff *like that*.....

Hell I remember when my high school got its first photocopier (it was 
a big event... front page news in fact... yes I know.. small town) 
they still continued with newsprint, to keep costs down.....

SeanG


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Dec 19 12:21:43 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:21:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061220073437.01fc28b0@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612191219090.5637-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > > > What about the smell of freshly mimeographed paper? *laughs*
> > > >
> > >
> > > Oh wow!  I had forgotten about that!
> > >
> > > Roy.  (15 years old again).
> > >
> >Holy cow!  I never knew they had paper back then... *gd&r*
>
> Hell I remember when my high school got its first photocopier (it was
> a big event... front page news in fact... yes I know.. small town)
> they still continued with newsprint, to keep costs down.....
>

I'm trying to picture a town so small that the arrival of a photocopier
would garner front page news.  I am failing utterly. :)  I have this
picture in my head of 6 kids standing in front of a bright red tool shed,
marked "School". :)

g.



 --
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Dec 19 12:22:28 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:22:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061220073437.01fc28b0@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612191221530.5637-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Sean, has much progress been made on that sailing simulator you showed to
me years ago?  Has any data export ability been added?

g.


-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From surfer.man at free.fr  Tue Dec 19 12:36:16 2006
From: surfer.man at free.fr (Jean-Yves  " Surfin'  ")
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:36:16 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] Test message
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Tue Dec 19 12:36:55 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:36:55 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612191221530.5637-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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Message-ID: <1166560615.45884d67085c9@www.paradise.net.nz>

Quoting Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>:

> Sean, has much progress been made on that sailing simulator you showed
> to
> me years ago? Has any data export ability been added?
> 

Latest version was released a month or so back, we are up to v7 now and it is
utterly stunning graphically, as well as functionally.  As yet no data export.
but there are mutterings about some form of API interface coming...

Have a peek at:

http://www.avsim.com/vs

SeanG

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Dec 19 16:04:10 2006
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:04:10 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612191035560.5476-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612200003390.11367-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > > What about the smell of freshly mimeographed paper? *laughs*
> >
> > Oh wow!  I had forgotten about that!
> >
> > Roy.  (15 years old again).
> >
> Holy cow!  I never knew they had paper back then... *gd&r*


Pucker up and kiss my ass!



From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Dec 19 16:05:02 2006
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:05:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612191219090.5637-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612200004420.11367-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > > > > What about the smell of freshly mimeographed paper? *laughs*
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh wow!  I had forgotten about that!
> > > >
> > > > Roy.  (15 years old again).
> > > >
> > >Holy cow!  I never knew they had paper back then... *gd&r*
> >
> > Hell I remember when my high school got its first photocopier (it was
> > a big event... front page news in fact... yes I know.. small town)
> > they still continued with newsprint, to keep costs down.....
> >
>
> I'm trying to picture a town so small that the arrival of a photocopier
> would garner front page news.  I am failing utterly. :)  I have this
> picture in my head of 6 kids standing in front of a bright red tool shed,
> marked "School". :)
>

You mean S K o O L


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Tue Dec 19 16:59:37 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:59:37 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612200004420.11367-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612200004420.11367-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1166576377.45888af926235@www.paradise.net.nz>

Quoting Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk>:

> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Gene Buckle wrote:
> 
> > > > > > What about the smell of freshly mimeographed paper? *laughs*
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh wow! I had forgotten about that!
> > > > >
> > > > > Roy. (15 years old again).
> > > > >
> > > >Holy cow! I never knew they had paper back then... *gd&r*
> > >
> > > Hell I remember when my high school got its first photocopier (it
> was
> > > a big event... front page news in fact... yes I know.. small town)
> > > they still continued with newsprint, to keep costs down.....
> > >
> >
> > I'm trying to picture a town so small that the arrival of a
> photocopier
> > would garner front page news. I am failing utterly. :) I have this
> > picture in my head of 6 kids standing in front of a bright red tool
> shed,
> > marked "School". :)
> >
> 
> You mean S K o O L

Mate.. we didn't have a shed, that would have been pure luxury.. back in my day
etc etc etc ;-)

SeanG

From frank at rezultat.dk  Tue Dec 19 22:20:40 2006
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:20:40 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <1166560615.45884d67085c9@www.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <002101c723ff$02204390$0601a8c0@Franks>

Nice software Sean, I can't find anything abut multiMonitor support... would

Be nice with surround gaming in this situation ??

And to all of You...Happy ChristMas to you and you families - 

Kindly Regards
Frank



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Quoting Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>:

> Sean, has much progress been made on that sailing simulator you showed
> to
> me years ago? Has any data export ability been added?
> 

Latest version was released a month or so back, we are up to v7 now and it
is
utterly stunning graphically, as well as functionally.  As yet no data
export.
but there are mutterings about some form of API interface coming...

Have a peek at:

http://www.avsim.com/vs

SeanG
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Wed Dec 20 00:37:32 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:37:32 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <002101c723ff$02204390$0601a8c0@Franks>
References: <1166560615.45884d67085c9@www.paradise.net.nz>
	<002101c723ff$02204390$0601a8c0@Franks>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061220213629.01fb1448@paradise.net.nz>

At 07:20 p.m. 20/12/2006, you wrote:
>Nice software Sean, I can't find anything abut multiMonitor support... would
>
>Be nice with surround gaming in this situation ??

Hmmmm.  Now... we have some TripleHead2Go's at work..  Now I have a 
cunning plan ;-)

I'll give it a whirl and see what it can do...


SeanG


From a_breytie at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 20 03:01:34 2006
From: a_breytie at yahoo.co.uk (Andre Breytenbach)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:01:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Long read - but WORTH IT!
In-Reply-To: <9ee1d99bf7f746bba116d2cb09dca5e6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <20061220110134.6359.qmail@web25011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Sounds plausable! Just a few queeries on the JATO:
only 2500 pound thrust for only 2.5 seconds? Sounds a
little low? Anyone know better? 
Now you will have to check my maths, last time I did
this was at school 25 years ago!

What does that Impala weigh? If the car was 1500
pounds as he states, it should have accelerated at a
bit less than 2G (then deduct wind and roling
resistance). My calculations give me all of about
160km/h (100MPH) terminal speed. If heavier, then
slower terminal speed. He talks of 300MPH and the way
the car leapt when the rocket ignited, perhaps more!

Who knows what Myth Busters found?

Help me out guys!

Andre

--- Brian Sikkema <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil> wrote:

> Be prepared to spend some time reading this, but I'm
> telling you right now it's worth every second.
> 
> Anyone who's been exposed to the internet for more
> than an hour or so has most likely heard the rocket
> car story. Guy straps a JATO rocket to a car, flies
> it into a mountainside.
> 
> Clearly it's an urban legend, and I always figured
> someone just made it up.
> 
> Well, as it turns out... it has roots in reality (or
> at least what I think is reality - this IS the
> internet, so this guy may just be a very, very good
> bullshitter).
> 
> I give you:
> http://www.rocketcarstory.com/
> 
> The REAL Rocket Car....
> 
> Turns out it was a '59 Impala, not a '67.....
> 
> Brian
> 


		
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Dec 20 07:05:55 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:05:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <1166560615.45884d67085c9@www.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612200705430.7482-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > Sean, has much progress been made on that sailing simulator you showed
> > to
> > me years ago? Has any data export ability been added?
> >
>
> Latest version was released a month or so back, we are up to v7 now and it is
> utterly stunning graphically, as well as functionally.  As yet no data export.
> but there are mutterings about some form of API interface coming...
>
> Have a peek at:
>
> http://www.avsim.com/vs
>
I'll do that, thanks!

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Wed Dec 20 15:07:48 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:07:48 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612200705430.7482-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612200705430.7482-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <1166656068.4589c244dc42b@www.paradise.net.nz>

Oh, and after a quick "test" at work this morning, YES it does do
multi-monitor... which is kinda cool.. had my workmates getting sea sick <evil
laugh>

SeanG


Quoting Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>:

> > > Sean, has much progress been made on that sailing simulator you
> showed
> > > to
> > > me years ago? Has any data export ability been added?
> > >
> >
> > Latest version was released a month or so back, we are up to v7 now
> and it is
> > utterly stunning graphically, as well as functionally. As yet no data
> export.
> > but there are mutterings about some form of API interface coming...
> >
> > Have a peek at:
> >
> > http://www.avsim.com/vs
> >
> I'll do that, thanks!
> 
> g.
> 
> -- 
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
> 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> 
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Dec 20 15:26:57 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:26:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <1166656068.4589c244dc42b@www.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612201523360.8247-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Oh, and after a quick "test" at work this morning, YES it does do
> multi-monitor... which is kinda cool.. had my workmates getting sea sick <evil
> laugh>
>

I took a quick look at the website and the screenshot gallery.  He's done
a great job!  It looks like he's spent a lot more time on the surface sim
over the flight simulator though.

Has he added the ability to add munitions to their creations?  It would be
cool to build a Type IIV (or VII?) U-Boat with working torpedo tubes. :)

*looks at the ShopBot and wonders how long it would take to build a U-Boat
"cockpit"*

g.

 --
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Wed Dec 20 19:48:10 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:48:10 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612201523360.8247-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612201523360.8247-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <1166672890.458a03fa75093@www.paradise.net.nz>

Quoting Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>:

> > Oh, and after a quick "test" at work this morning, YES it does do
> > multi-monitor... which is kinda cool.. had my workmates getting sea
> sick <evil
> > laugh>
> >
> 
> I took a quick look at the website and the screenshot gallery. He's
> done
> a great job! It looks like he's spent a lot more time on the surface
> sim
> over the flight simulator though.
> 
> Has he added the ability to add munitions to their creations? It would
> be
> cool to build a Type IIV (or VII?) U-Boat with working torpedo tubes.
> :)
> 
> *looks at the ShopBot and wonders how long it would take to build a
> U-Boat
> "cockpit"*
> 

Get the shopbot cranking mate... yessir it does have weapons, reasonably simple,
but they are there.  In the latest version you can define multiple weapon types
etc and fire them independantly.. so you'll be able to use that deck gun as well ;-)

SeanG


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Dec 20 21:29:20 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:29:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <1166672890.458a03fa75093@www.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612202128390.8812-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > *looks at the ShopBot and wonders how long it would take to build a
> > U-Boat
> > "cockpit"*
> >
>
> Get the shopbot cranking mate... yessir it does have weapons, reasonably simple,
> but they are there.  In the latest version you can define multiple weapon types
> etc and fire them independantly.. so you'll be able to use that deck gun as well ;-)
>

Ok, that just rocks.  Rob!  Get out the u-boat books! :)

g.

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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From frank at rezultat.dk  Wed Dec 20 22:19:47 2006
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:19:47 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <1166656068.4589c244dc42b@www.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <003701c724c8$099d4770$0601a8c0@Franks>

SUPER - looking forward to play with it !

Regards
Frank

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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af sean.g at paradise.net.nz
Sendt: 21. december 2006 00:08
Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Emne: [Spam] Re: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...

Oh, and after a quick "test" at work this morning, YES it does do
multi-monitor... which is kinda cool.. had my workmates getting sea sick
<evil
laugh>

SeanG


Quoting Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>:

> > > Sean, has much progress been made on that sailing simulator you
> showed
> > > to
> > > me years ago? Has any data export ability been added?
> > >
> >
> > Latest version was released a month or so back, we are up to v7 now
> and it is
> > utterly stunning graphically, as well as functionally. As yet no data
> export.
> > but there are mutterings about some form of API interface coming...
> >
> > Have a peek at:
> >
> > http://www.avsim.com/vs
> >
> I'll do that, thanks!
> 
> g.
> 
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> 
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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Thu Dec 21 00:16:31 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:16:31 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612201523360.8247-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c724d8$5322e480$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

>
> *looks at the ShopBot and wonders how long it would take to build a U-Boat
> "cockpit"*
>
> g.

It would prob take you longer to give it the information than it will take 
for it to churn out the parts

Then again how much beer does the bot take.

ben



From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Dec 21 06:51:36 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:51:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <000f01c724d8$5322e480$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612210650150.9876-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> >
> > *looks at the ShopBot and wonders how long it would take to build a U-Boat
> > "cockpit"*
> >
> > g.
>
> It would prob take you longer to give it the information than it will take
> for it to churn out the parts
>
Oh quite likely, but then that's the fun, right? :)

> Then again how much beer does the bot take.
>
I don't think it likes beer.  It's been raised on blood and little divots
of skin.

g.

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From adm.design at verizon.net  Thu Dec 21 08:39:04 2006
From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:39:04 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <003701c724c8$099d4770$0601a8c0@Franks>
References: <1166656068.4589c244dc42b@www.paradise.net.nz>
	<003701c724c8$099d4770$0601a8c0@Franks>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20061221113418.01cc0290@incoming.verizon.net>


hi,

seasick?? how about just plain sick.

i've been doing some CAD work to help determine the feasibility of running 
that Matrox device through a few projectors.

some measuring-tape sessions strongly suggest that the rendered image will 
exceed my peripheral vision.

here are some shots from the program:

http://www.enet-inc.com/adm/shots/shot1.jpg

http://www.enet-inc.com/adm/shots/shot2.jpg

other "dressing" around the cockpit is subject to inteference with the 
light cones coming from the projectors. i haven't done much research in 
that area yet.

  - adm -

At 01:19 AM 12/21/2006, you wrote:

>SUPER - looking forward to play with it !
>
>Regards
>Frank
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
>[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af sean.g at paradise.net.nz
>Sendt: 21. december 2006 00:08
>Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list
>Emne: [Spam] Re: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
>
>Oh, and after a quick "test" at work this morning, YES it does do
>multi-monitor... which is kinda cool.. had my workmates getting sea sick
><evil
>laugh>
>
>SeanG


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Dec 21 10:04:19 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:04:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20061221113418.01cc0290@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612211001540.10203-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>
> seasick?? how about just plain sick.
>
:)

> i've been doing some CAD work to help determine the feasibility of running
> that Matrox device through a few projectors.
>
> some measuring-tape sessions strongly suggest that the rendered image will
> exceed my peripheral vision.
>
That's the idea Alan.  The trick to this whole thing is to give your eye
no external references beyond the edges of the screen.

The way I'm going to set up the F-15 visuals is very similar, with special
blacked out areas to cover some of the side area that I can't (at this
time) cover with screen visuals.


 > here are some shots from the program:
>
> http://www.enet-inc.com/adm/shots/shot1.jpg
>
> http://www.enet-inc.com/adm/shots/shot2.jpg
>
Neat!

g.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu Dec 21 10:57:30 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:57:30 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
Message-ID: <742d91f3f3e54873987303dc5567e454.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>


> That's the idea Alan.  The trick to this whole thing is to give your eye
> no external references beyond the edges of the screen.
> 
> The way I'm going to set up the F-15 visuals is very similar, with special
> blacked out areas to cover some of the side area that I can't (at this
> time) cover with screen visuals.
> 

I just chose to build something with itty-bitty windows. ;)


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Dec 21 13:16:15 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:16:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <742d91f3f3e54873987303dc5567e454.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612211315380.10521-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > That's the idea Alan.  The trick to this whole thing is to give your eye
> > no external references beyond the edges of the screen.
> >
> > The way I'm going to set up the F-15 visuals is very similar, with special
> > blacked out areas to cover some of the side area that I can't (at this
> > time) cover with screen visuals.
> >
>
> I just chose to build something with itty-bitty windows. ;)
>
Really.  All you need to do is duct-tape a laptop to the outside and
you're done. :)

g.

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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Fri Dec 22 00:47:38 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:47:38 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612210650150.9876-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <000301c725a6$7f4844f0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...


>> >
>> > *looks at the ShopBot and wonders how long it would take to build a 
>> > U-Boat
>> > "cockpit"*
>> >
>> > g.
>>
>> It would prob take you longer to give it the information than it will 
>> take
>> for it to churn out the parts
>>
> Oh quite likely, but then that's the fun, right? :)
>
>> Then again how much beer does the bot take.
>>
> I don't think it likes beer.  It's been raised on blood and little divots
> of skin.
>

Reminds me of the movie Goldmember  and the one liner " Ohh this ones a 
keeper " as Goldmember peels a bit of his fore head off !



> g.
>
> -- 
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>
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Fri Dec 22 03:48:07 2006
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:48:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <742d91f3f3e54873987303dc5567e454.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0612221147390.14516-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>
> I just chose to build something with itty-bitty windows. ;)
>

LOL!!  Damn that was thinking ahead!!

Nice one Brian :-)

Roy.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Dec 22 06:59:28 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:59:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ship sim...
In-Reply-To: <000301c725a6$7f4844f0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612220658560.19859-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> >> Then again how much beer does the bot take.
> >>
> > I don't think it likes beer.  It's been raised on blood and little divots
> > of skin.
> >
>
> Reminds me of the movie Goldmember  and the one liner " Ohh this ones a
> keeper " as Goldmember peels a bit of his fore head off !
>
>
Ewwww!

g.

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From joab_ryan at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 22 09:20:22 2006
From: joab_ryan at yahoo.com (joab ryan)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:20:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] New flight sim in dallas!
Message-ID: <20061222172023.92947.qmail@web53211.mail.yahoo.com>

www.fightasim.com 

flight a 737 boeing sim!
a little pricey but looks worth it.

 
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Fri Dec 22 10:30:21 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:30:21 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
Message-ID: <a8142db9ba5b494295391a66c080bdc6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>


> > I just chose to build something with itty-bitty windows. ;)
> >
> 
> LOL!!  Damn that was thinking ahead!!
> 
> Nice one Brian :-)
> 
> Roy.

Hehehe.

Truth be told it won't be quite as simple as it seems - at least not if I want to do it right.

See the Merc (or at least all the capsules after Shepards) had a little mirror at the bottom edge of the window, to give a greater field of view... If I decide to encompass that, I'll actually have to build a quite sophisticated display setup.

The other trick is the periscope, but the main problem there is just finding a monitor the right size.


From allendc at qwest.net  Fri Dec 22 12:45:20 2006
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:45:20 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] P51 Crashes (Sad) (Hoovers 'Ole Yeller)
Message-ID: <20061222204530.25659621DF4@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net>

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Dec 22 13:52:37 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:52:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] P51 Crashes (Sad) (Hoovers 'Ole Yeller)
In-Reply-To: <20061222204530.25659621DF4@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net>
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, David C. Allen wrote:

>                             Bob Hoovers 'Ole Yeller
>
>
>
>          "N51RH" Bites the "Dust"--(Snow) (Check out the link's on the
>                                     bottom)
>
>

That's a real shame. :(

g.

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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Fri Dec 22 19:44:50 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:44:50 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
References: <a8142db9ba5b494295391a66c080bdc6.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <004c01c72644$b3809ad0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

So Brian have you done any construction on the merc sim or a you still in 
the planning stages, got any pics??

Ben
bjones at pipecomp.com.au


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Sikkema" <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re: Ship sim...


>
>> > I just chose to build something with itty-bitty windows. ;)
>> >
>>
>> LOL!!  Damn that was thinking ahead!!
>>
>> Nice one Brian :-)
>>
>> Roy.
>
> Hehehe.
>
> Truth be told it won't be quite as simple as it seems - at least not if I 
> want to do it right.
>
> See the Merc (or at least all the capsules after Shepards) had a little 
> mirror at the bottom edge of the window, to give a greater field of 
> view... If I decide to encompass that, I'll actually have to build a quite 
> sophisticated display setup.
>
> The other trick is the periscope, but the main problem there is just 
> finding a monitor the right size.
>
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Fri Dec 22 19:57:28 2006
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:57:28 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...
Message-ID: <4250e4799b0b42d2bf85f99bfa9ef3cd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Very much planning at this point... years and years of planning! lol

I've got some 3d models in the works but their on my computer in ohio right now, and I'm at my parents in Michigan.

Mainly I've been working on the Mercury addon for orbiter, which will be the software base for my sim. I don't have the time or money for the physical construction yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Jones
Sent: 12/22/06 10:44:50 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re:  Ship sim...

> So Brian have you done any construction on the merc sim or a you still in 
> the planning stages, got any pics??
> 
> Ben
> bjones at pipecomp.com.au
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Sikkema" <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>
> To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re: Ship sim...
> 
> 
> >
> >> > I just chose to build something with itty-bitty windows. ;)
> >> >
> >>
> >> LOL!!  Damn that was thinking ahead!!
> >>
> >> Nice one Brian :-)
> >>
> >> Roy.
> >
> > Hehehe.
> >
> > Truth be told it won't be quite as simple as it seems - at least not if I 
> > want to do it right.
> >
> > See the Merc (or at least all the capsules after Shepards) had a little 
> > mirror at the bottom edge of the window, to give a greater field of 
> > view... If I decide to encompass that, I'll actually have to build a quite 
> > sophisticated display setup.
> >
> > The other trick is the periscope, but the main problem there is just 
> > finding a monitor the right size.
> >
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From servantofcthulhu at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 24 03:49:39 2006
From: servantofcthulhu at hotmail.com (Simon Bennett)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 03:49:39 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] P51 Crashes (Sad) (Hoovers 'Ole Yeller)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612221352060.20559-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F330127CBBD086270BD3375D4C30@phx.gbl>

I heard on a forum that John Bagley said in a local news interview that he 
was planning to rebuild her.  I hope he can.

Looking at the wreckage, though, it's amazing he walked away, since the 
plane was pretty much ripped apart.

I always feel queazy when I hear a vintage warbird's gone down - last time 
it was that B-17 that suffered a main landing gear failure, I think it was 
in Texas.

I gotta admit, when I read it was a P-51D, I was a little bit relieved... I 
mean, I love the mustang, but lord knows there are more of them out there 
flying than there are P-47s or Thunderbolts or Hellcats, combined. Now, if 
it had turned out to be a Corsair, I'd be sobbing in my beer right about 
now.

>From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
>Reply-To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
>To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] P51 Crashes (Sad) (Hoovers 'Ole Yeller)
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:52:37 -0800 (PST)
>
>On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, David C. Allen wrote:
>
> >                             Bob Hoovers 'Ole Yeller
> >
> >
> >
> >          "N51RH" Bites the "Dust"--(Snow) (Check out the link's on the
> >                                     bottom)
> >
> >
>
>That's a real shame. :(
>
>g.
>
>--
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>
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>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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From petesboyz at punkass.com  Sun Dec 24 13:40:39 2006
From: petesboyz at punkass.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 08:40:39 +1100
Subject: [simpits-tech] P51 Crashes (Sad) (Hoovers 'Ole Yeller)
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F330127CBBD086270BD3375D4C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005d01c727a4$29d25b00$8500a8c0@petes>

Simon,
If it was the venerable bent wing bird, I would be right there with you
Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Simon Bennett
Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2006 22:50
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] P51 Crashes (Sad) (Hoovers 'Ole Yeller)

I heard on a forum that John Bagley said in a local news interview that
he 
was planning to rebuild her.  I hope he can.

Looking at the wreckage, though, it's amazing he walked away, since the 
plane was pretty much ripped apart.

I always feel queazy when I hear a vintage warbird's gone down - last
time 
it was that B-17 that suffered a main landing gear failure, I think it
was 
in Texas.

I gotta admit, when I read it was a P-51D, I was a little bit
relieved... I 
mean, I love the mustang, but lord knows there are more of them out
there 
flying than there are P-47s or Thunderbolts or Hellcats, combined. Now,
if 
it had turned out to be a Corsair, I'd be sobbing in my beer right about

now.

>From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
>Reply-To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
>To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] P51 Crashes (Sad) (Hoovers 'Ole Yeller)
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:52:37 -0800 (PST)
>
>On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, David C. Allen wrote:
>
> >                             Bob Hoovers 'Ole Yeller
> >
> >
> >
> >          "N51RH" Bites the "Dust"--(Snow) (Check out the link's on
the
> >                                     bottom)
> >
> >
>
>That's a real shame. :(
>
>g.
>
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Mon Dec 25 01:27:03 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 22:27:03 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-4 Sim tub on ebay
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061225222618.01240fe8@paradise.net.nz>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290064448326&rd=1,1

Could be a cool start to a Phabulous sim!

SeanG


From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Mon Dec 25 04:03:28 2006
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:03:28 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] You would not like to be a camel in turkey!
Message-ID: <001d01c7281c$b1083950$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

This is just so wierd

Ben



Man Fired Over Camel Sacrifice in Turkey

Wednesday, December 13, 2006


     
     


(12-13) 09:37 PST ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- 


A crew of mechanics at Istanbul's airport were so glad to be rid of some trouble-prone British-made airplanes that they sacrificed a camel on the tarmac in celebration - prompting the firing Wednesday of their supervisor.


The photo of a worker raising a large piece of bloodied camel meat on the tarmac of Ataturk International Airport was published on the front page of at least two newspapers, drawing the wrath of transportation authorities.


Tuesday's sacrifice of a camel with small Turkish carpets over its humps at the busy airport was regarded as a disgrace and an embarrassment for the country at a time when it is seeking to join the European Union.


"This is a grave incident. Is it compatible with the image of a modern Turkey, trying to enter the EU?" said opposition lawmaker Huseyin Guler.


Under pressure from the EU, Turkey has introduced fines for those who slaughter animals outside special facilities.


Transportation Minister Binali Yildirim condemned the camel sacrifice, saying "it is not possible to approve such an incident."


"It was met with adequate response," he added.


Turkish Airlines authorities launched an investigation and later fired chief mechanic Sukru Can for approving the camel sacrifice. The crew of mechanics had been celebrating the return of the last of 11 four-engine Avro RJ 100 jets that were leased from Britain 13 years ago.


Turks traditionally sacrifice animals as an offering to God for when their wishes come true.


"We are happy to be rid of planes which frequently broke down without causing major headaches to Turkish Airlines," the daily Cumhuriyet quoted Can as saying after the ceremony.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Dec 25 12:47:09 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:47:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251243130.31336-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done.jpg
http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done2.jpg
http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done3.jpg

Most people build boring stuff with theirs.  You know, junk like cabinets,
bookcases, etc.

Mine is gonna build cockpits, airplanes, circuit boards and spaceships.

Muahahahahaha.  *Evil Grin*

-- 
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Mon Dec 25 13:02:39 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:02:39 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251243130.31336-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251243130.31336-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061226100109.01b5d270@paradise.net.nz>

At 09:47 a.m. 26/12/2006, you wrote:
>http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done.jpg
>http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done2.jpg
>http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done3.jpg
>
>Most people build boring stuff with theirs.  You know, junk like cabinets,
>bookcases, etc.
>
>Mine is gonna build cockpits, airplanes, circuit boards and spaceships.
>
>Muahahahahaha.  *Evil Grin*

Woohoo!
So when do we expect the first batch of flat-pack sim's rolling off 
the production line? <nudge nudge>

BTW Nice cable-tie skills there Gene ;-)

SeanG


From allendc at qwest.net  Mon Dec 25 13:27:25 2006
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:27:25 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251243130.31336-100000@grumble.deltasoft .com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251243130.31336-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20061225212732.A32D922E6DB@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net>

At 12:47 PM 12/25/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done.jpg
>http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done2.jpg
>http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done3.jpg
>
>Most people build boring stuff with theirs.  You know, junk like cabinets,
>bookcases, etc.

Most cabinet makers don't have F15's next to their bot's


>Mine is gonna build cockpits, airplanes, circuit boards and spaceships.

So where is the production sign up sheet??

>Muahahahahaha.  *Evil Grin*
>
>--
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>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Dec 25 14:41:08 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:41:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061226100109.01b5d270@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251438240.31506-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> At 09:47 a.m. 26/12/2006, you wrote:
> >http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done.jpg
> >http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done2.jpg
> >http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done3.jpg
> >
> >Most people build boring stuff with theirs.  You know, junk like cabinets,
> >bookcases, etc.
> >
> >Mine is gonna build cockpits, airplanes, circuit boards and spaceships.
> >
> >Muahahahahaha.  *Evil Grin*
>
> Woohoo!
> So when do we expect the first batch of flat-pack sim's rolling off
> the production line? <nudge nudge>
>
It'll be a while yet.  I still need to build the table for the CNC foam
cutter so my friend Dave can start cutting wing cores.  I've also got to
build a rolling kiosk for the control computer as well as some parts for a
737 glareshield mold.

The first cockpit design is about 80% done.

 > BTW Nice cable-tie skills there Gene ;-)

Actually that's on purpose.  I can't cinch it all down permanently until I
install the 4" vacuum hose on the cable guide.  There's a "shoe" that fits
at the base of the cutter to pick up sawdust.

g.



 --
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Dec 25 14:42:56 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:42:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <20061225212732.A32D922E6DB@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251441330.31506-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> At 12:47 PM 12/25/2006 -0800, you wrote:
> >http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done.jpg
> >http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done2.jpg
> >http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/bot_done3.jpg
> >
> >Most people build boring stuff with theirs.  You know, junk like cabinets,
> >bookcases, etc.
>
> Most cabinet makers don't have F15's next to their bot's
>
Their loss. :)

>
> >Mine is gonna build cockpits, airplanes, circuit boards and spaceships.
>
> So where is the production sign up sheet??
>
There isn't one.  First come, first served. :)

Your stuff will actually be the first "real" parts I run after I have the
Z axis squred to the table.  Rob & I will be working on it Tuesday to get
everything aligned and ready to go.

g.



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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Mon Dec 25 14:32:49 2006
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:32:49 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251438240.31506-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.0.20061226100109.01b5d270@paradise.net.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251438240.31506-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20061226113122.01bcf528@paradise.net.nz>


> > Woohoo!
> > So when do we expect the first batch of flat-pack sim's rolling off
> > the production line? <nudge nudge>
> >
>It'll be a while yet.  I still need to build the table for the CNC foam
>cutter so my friend Dave can start cutting wing cores.  I've also got to
>build a rolling kiosk for the control computer as well as some parts for a
>737 glareshield mold.

So by Tuesday next?

>The first cockpit design is about 80% done.

Yipee :)


>  > BTW Nice cable-tie skills there Gene ;-)
>
>Actually that's on purpose.  I can't cinch it all down permanently until I
>install the 4" vacuum hose on the cable guide.  There's a "shoe" that fits
>at the base of the cutter to pick up sawdust.

See, I *knew* there would be a reason ;-)

Looking good.. just trying to justify a trip over to play with your 
toys now <lol>

SeanG


From allendc at qwest.net  Mon Dec 25 15:07:02 2006
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:07:02 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251441330.31506-100000@grumble.deltasoft .com>
References: <20061225212732.A32D922E6DB@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0612251441330.31506-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20061225230719.8B457621C98@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net>


> > So where is the production sign up sheet??
> >
>There isn't one.  First come, first served. :)
>
>Your stuff will actually be the first "real" parts I run after I have the
>Z axis squred to the table.  Rob & I will be working on it Tuesday to get
>everything aligned and ready to go.

I guess I better get to work and finish up the drawings!

What diameter cutter are you going to use as you default cutter?

>g.
>
>
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Dec 25 23:09:17 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 23:09:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <20061225230719.8B457621C98@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612252307220.32263-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > > So where is the production sign up sheet??
> > >
> >There isn't one.  First come, first served. :)
> >
> >Your stuff will actually be the first "real" parts I run after I have the
> >Z axis squred to the table.  Rob & I will be working on it Tuesday to get
> >everything aligned and ready to go.
>
> I guess I better get to work and finish up the drawings!
>
> What diameter cutter are you going to use as you default cutter?
>

Probably something 1/4".  I purchased a "starter kit" that included some
very nice Onsrud cutters, including 1/4" single and two flute cutters.
I've also got a box of various end and ball mills that I can use.  Right
now the biggest tool I can use has to have a 1/2" shank on it.  I didn't
get any of the 3/8" or larger collets.

g.



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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 26 00:30:27 2006
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:30:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech F-4 Sim tub on ebay
In-Reply-To: <mailman.244.1167080565.2330.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <20061226083027.96042.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey, 
I have one of those! I understand they were actually
ejection seat trainers. I plan to convert mine to an
F-4E Thunderbird sim to network with Steve Cannaby's
F-4 sim


Justin


> > From: Sean Galbraith <sean.g at paradise.net.nz>
> To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
> <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 22:27:03 +1300
> Subject: [simpits-tech] F-4 Sim tub on ebay
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290064448326&rd=1,1
> 
> Could be a cool start to a Phabulous sim!
> 
> SeanG
> 
> 


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From realclassclown at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 27 04:40:35 2006
From: realclassclown at yahoo.com (Alan Murray)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 04:40:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive
Message-ID: <366325.6454.qm@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Gene,

Question from the peanut gallery...Is that a CNC
router? What brand?

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Dec 27 10:20:36 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:20:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive
In-Reply-To: <366325.6454.qm@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612271020030.35618-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Hey Gene,
>
> Question from the peanut gallery...Is that a CNC
> router? What brand?
>

It's a ShopBot PRT 96 Alpha.  Their website is at
http://www.shopbottools.com

g.

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From cyplesma at aol.com  Fri Dec 29 10:28:06 2006
From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:28:06 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612271020030.35618-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <8C8F98E37FA66B7-155C-CF11@WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com>

 I saw something advertised on TV from craftsman, they have some kind of small CNC router now.
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: geneb at deltasoft.com
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 1:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] It's alive
 
  > Hey Gene,
>
> Question from the peanut gallery...Is that a CNC
> router? What brand?
>

It's a ShopBot PRT 96 Alpha.  Their website is at
http://www.shopbottools.com

g.

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From cyplesma at aol.com  Fri Dec 29 10:32:12 2006
From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:32:12 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive
In-Reply-To: <8C8F98E37FA66B7-155C-CF11@WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C8F98ECA855316-155C-CF3C@WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com>

 it's worth repeating, about how small it is though. 
 
 somehthing like the size of a piece of paper (11 x 8.5)
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: cyplesma at aol.com
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] It's alive
 
  I saw something advertised on TV from craftsman, they have some kind of small CNC router now.
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: geneb at deltasoft.com
 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
 Sent: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 1:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] It's alive
 
  > Hey Gene,
>
> Question from the peanut gallery...Is that a CNC
> router? What brand?
>

It's a ShopBot PRT 96 Alpha.  Their website is at
http://www.shopbottools.com

g.

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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 29 11:22:17 2006
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:22:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Christmas sim party!!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.357.1167417139.2330.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <149437.97942.qm@web52003.mail.yahoo.com>

We had a Christmas sim party in the DC-8. The day
before I got the tiller going with the latest FS9
version of FSUIPC and it worked great!! It was
interesting watching people learn to go from the
tiller to rudder pedals to the yoke when they have
never been in a cockpit before. 

I placed by CB radio where only the mike cord was
visible so the Captain could make silly announcments
over its PA setting. I hooked it to to a speaker in
the passenger area and the kids LOVED it. 

My uncle who is a C-17 sim instructor flew an ILS
approach and we all had a good time with 7 people in
the DC-8 at any given time. I need to install an
intertainment system for people sitting in the back
since they tended to have a long wait.

Justin

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Dec 29 11:46:08 2006
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:46:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] It's alive
In-Reply-To: <8C8F98ECA855316-155C-CF3C@WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0612291145240.40074-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>  it's worth repeating, about how small it is though.
>
>  somehthing like the size of a piece of paper (11 x 8.5)
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: cyplesma at aol.com
>  To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
>  Sent: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 1:28 PM
>  Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] It's alive
>
>   I saw something advertised on TV from craftsman, they have some kind of small CNC router now.
>

I've been told that it's just a re-branding of another product by Sears.
>From what you'll spend on it, you could build your own at twice the size.
:)

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Fri Dec 29 17:42:08 2006
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:42:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Christmas sim party!!
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Justin Messenger wrote:

> We had a Christmas sim party in the DC-8. The day
> before I got the tiller going with the latest FS9
> version of FSUIPC and it worked great!! It was
> interesting watching people learn to go from the
> tiller to rudder pedals to the yoke when they have
> never been in a cockpit before.
>
> I placed by CB radio where only the mike cord was
> visible so the Captain could make silly announcments
> over its PA setting. I hooked it to to a speaker in
> the passenger area and the kids LOVED it.
>
> My uncle who is a C-17 sim instructor flew an ILS
> approach and we all had a good time with 7 people in
> the DC-8 at any given time. I need to install an
> intertainment system for people sitting in the back
> since they tended to have a long wait.

Nice one Justin!  The idea of a broadcast system has been on my list of
ideas for a long time now but you've just made me decide it's worth doing!

As for cabin entertainment... we use a simple VCR and show 'entertaining'
(ie: crash) videos to keep the waiting kiddies amused. Works a treat.

Roy.

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Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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