From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 1 04:57:06 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:57:06 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... References: <7798F8AC473C6E498F8041A2F8409C93E65DC6@biopuremail.corp.biopure.com> Message-ID: <3DC209A2.152FFB98@rtccom.net> 103.7511 muwahahahahah!!! :) Reminds me of when I used to fly the Whitewings planes, fun fun fun! :) -Matt Bailey "Rochester, Craig" wrote: > > 99.6' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:25 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight > simulator... > > http://www.workman.com//fliersclub/simulator.html > > Enjoy! > > g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 1 08:54:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:54:05 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hagstrom KE72 and KE-USB36 References: Message-ID: <002001c28184$3c0a9d70$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2818C.9D8C3010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageHi all Now, this is the inputmodule.... What about the output from Falcon... warningslight etc. How will i control those led (Lamps)... the KE72 can't do ????? Fly Well Frank ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2818C.9D8C3010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi all
 
Now, this is the = inputmodule....
 
What about the output from Falcon... = warningslight=20 etc.
How will i control those led (Lamps)... = the KE72=20 can't do ?????
 
Fly Well
Frank
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2818C.9D8C3010-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 1 16:40:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:40:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] HEY! Message-ID: It's IRC Friday at Simpits! Crank up your favorite IRC client and head over to irc.openprojects.net. The channel name is #simpits! Eat, drink and be Mary(if it's ok with her)! g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 1 17:11:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marc Weigert) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:11:14 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] To Gene In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gene, can you contact me on private - I found something that you are looking for! :)) mail@marceting.de Cheers, Marc From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 1 19:27:07 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:27:07 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey BUFF Budz Message-ID: <20021101192708.PZNA29857.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> "In his 35 years of involvement with the B-52, Polling said, re-engining ideas have come up four times. Most recently, Boeing and Rolls-Royce submitted an unsolicited proposal to re-engine the bomber with four Rolls-Royce RB211 turbofans. That proposal died on the vine." Goodie. The Big Ugly Flying Farker will stay with 8 engines worth of Ugliness. For another 40 years. http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/om/200010/ b52-1.htm Just thought you'd like to know.... Steve From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 1 22:42:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:42:31 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... In-Reply-To: <3DC209A2.152FFB98@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <003001c281f7$f6b2e6a0$0100a8c0@main> Ok, I think I'll need a screen-shot of 104'. :D -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Matt Bailey Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:57 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... 103.7511 muwahahahahah!!! :) Reminds me of when I used to fly the Whitewings planes, fun fun fun! :) -Matt Bailey "Rochester, Craig" wrote: > > 99.6' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:25 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight > simulator... > > http://www.workman.com//fliersclub/simulator.html > > Enjoy! > > g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 1 23:08:40 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:08:40 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... In-Reply-To: <003001c281f7$f6b2e6a0$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <003201c281fb$9df5eef0$0100a8c0@main> 360.7461' nananana :-D http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpict ures/paperplane.jpg -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Craig Rochester Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:43 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... Ok, I think I'll need a screen-shot of 104'. :D -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Matt Bailey Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:57 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... 103.7511 muwahahahahah!!! :) Reminds me of when I used to fly the Whitewings planes, fun fun fun! :) -Matt Bailey "Rochester, Craig" wrote: > > 99.6' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:25 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight > simulator... > > http://www.workman.com//fliersclub/simulator.html > > Enjoy! > > g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 1 23:50:40 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:50:40 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1106B@exchange.clearsky.dk> Try these -26, 100, 8 Something fishy /Stig -----Original Message----- From: Craig Rochester [mailto:johncraigroch@msn.com] Sent: 2. november 2002 00:09 To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... 360.7461' nananana :-D http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilder pict ures/paperplane.jpg From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 2 00:46:52 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:46:52 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... References: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1106B@exchange.clearsky.dk> Message-ID: <3DC3207C.B9FE0241@rtccom.net> Hehe yes it doesn't like flying backwards. I noticed this with several combinations. -Matt Bailey Stig Joergensen wrote: > > Try these > > -26, 100, 8 > > Something fishy > > /Stig > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Rochester [mailto:johncraigroch@msn.com] > Sent: 2. november 2002 00:09 > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... > > 360.7461' nananana :-D > > http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilder > pict > ures/paperplane.jpg From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 2 00:48:38 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:48:38 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... References: <003201c281fb$9df5eef0$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3DC320E6.1D226116@rtccom.net> ??????? Wouldn't happen to be taking advantage of a flight model bug, would you? :) I did get it over 108, that's the best I can do so far. -Matt Bailey Craig Rochester wrote: > > 360.7461' nananana :-D > > http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpict > ures/paperplane.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Craig Rochester > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:43 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... > > Ok, I think I'll need a screen-shot of 104'. :D > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Matt Bailey > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:57 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... > > 103.7511 muwahahahahah!!! :) Reminds me of when I used to fly the > Whitewings planes, fun fun fun! :) > > -Matt Bailey From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 2 00:50:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:50:21 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... In-Reply-To: <3DC320E6.1D226116@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <003401c28209$d28fc830$0100a8c0@main> I've been found out! :) Yes, it went into a stall, one of the goofy spins, disappeared off the screen and landed 300' feet away. I forgot to note the settings. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Matt Bailey Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:49 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... ??????? Wouldn't happen to be taking advantage of a flight model bug, would you? :) I did get it over 108, that's the best I can do so far. -Matt Bailey Craig Rochester wrote: > > 360.7461' nananana :-D > > http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpict > ures/paperplane.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Craig Rochester > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:43 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... > > Ok, I think I'll need a screen-shot of 104'. :D > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Matt Bailey > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:57 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... > > 103.7511 muwahahahahah!!! :) Reminds me of when I used to fly the > Whitewings planes, fun fun fun! :) > > -Matt Bailey _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 2 04:00:52 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:00:52 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Paper airplane flight simulator... References: <7798F8AC473C6E498F8041A2F8409C93E65DC6@biopuremail.corp.biopure.com> <3DC209A2.152FFB98@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <3DC34DF4.806@swbell.net> Matt Bailey wrote: > > 103.7511 muwahahahahah!!! :) Reminds me of when I used to fly the > Whitewings planes, fun fun fun! :) 107.2943' is my best without any of the screwy stuff from the bugs. -24, 100, 8. -- Steve 97 Chevy Camaro Z28, Mystic teal, A4, mostly stock 92 Chevy Camaro RS, Onyx Black, A4, mangled due to a lying idiot 95 Buell S2 Thunderbolt, Pearl White, M5, holy shit mysticz28@swbell.net Jesus saves, Budda enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 2 08:57:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Suwanrit In-on) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:57:21 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 Cougar Force Transducer Base - Need Your Feedback! Message-ID: --=_mixed 0031468C47256C65_= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0031468C47256C65_=" --=_alternative 0031468C47256C65_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I prefer you to keep in real F16. because I think we build simpit for reality as we can. Please respond to simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent by: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org To: cc: Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 Cougar Force Transducer Base - Need Your Feedback! All, I am trying to get a poll from potential buyers of the new base I created. Here is my question to all of you: The real F-16 stick base has the force transducer inside the base rotated 10 degrees clockwise. The reason appears to be for pilot ergonomics. See attached file for a top down view of the rotation. You can see this in the real thing by looking at the top chrome ring where the 8 socket head screws are attached to the top neck. They are "twisted" 10 degrees clockwise. What this means is that the real stick must be pulled back approximately to the 6:30 position to bring the nose up level, not strait back. In your opinion, should I recreate that same 10 degree offset, just like the real thing or should I straighten the transducer out so it has no twist? Thanks for your response, Marv --=_alternative 0031468C47256C65_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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All,

I am trying to get a poll from potential buyers of the new base I created.

Here is my question to all of you:

The real F-16 stick base has the force transducer inside the base rotated 10
degrees clockwise.  The reason appears to be for pilot ergonomics.

See attached file for a top down view of the rotation.

You can see this in the real thing by looking at the top chrome ring where
the 8 socket head screws are attached to the top neck.  They are "twisted"
10 degrees clockwise.

What this means is that the real stick must be pulled back approximately to
the 6:30 position to bring the nose up level, not strait back.

In your opinion, should I recreate that same 10 degree offset, just like the
real thing or should I straighten the transducer out so it has no twist?

Thanks for your response,

Marv

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x2llapshhjHCj+pzySeSSSauUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFAH//2Q== --=_mixed 0031468C47256C65_=-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 2 17:45:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:45:31 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C282A0.053F54D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All Will it be possible to use this one for MFD http://us.thrustmaster.com/companyinfos/mediaroom/press_releases/lookpr.p= hp3?pr=3D106 All the best Frank ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C282A0.053F54D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All
 
Will it be possible to use this one for = MFD
http://us.thrustmaster.com/companyinfos/mediaroom/p= ress_releases/lookpr.php3?pr=3D106
 
All the best
Frank
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C282A0.053F54D0-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 2 21:57:27 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 16:57:27 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> I was suprised at the price, it looks like a "special" screen for PS1 so I figured it would be very expensive. Still, I wonder if a similar sized-LCD could be purchased for less elsewhere? It just seems like a screen promoted as a flight sim accesory and not just a generic screen would be more expensive. For the money I would probably go with an iddy-biddy CRT, I remember some refurbished 9" CRTs for like $35, but I forget the link (I think it was posted on this list actually). Of course for glass cockpits the image might look a bit less authentic, since real glass instruments are typically LCD. -Matt Bailey > Frank Riedel wrote: > > Hi All > > Will it be possible to use this one for MFD > http://us.thrustmaster.com/companyinfos/mediaroom/press_releases/lookpr.php3?pr=106 > > All the best > Frank From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 09:45:42 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:45:42 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <000f01c2831d$c6c6e910$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Okay... but vill it be possible to connect it to ordinary VGA output on PC ??? or must it be a little modidyed ??? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bailey" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > I was suprised at the price, it looks like a "special" screen for PS1 so > I figured it would be very expensive. Still, I wonder if a similar > sized-LCD could be purchased for less elsewhere? It just seems like a > screen promoted as a flight sim accesory and not just a generic screen > would be more expensive. > > For the money I would probably go with an iddy-biddy CRT, I remember > some refurbished 9" CRTs for like $35, but I forget the link (I think it > was posted on this list actually). Of course for glass cockpits the > image might look a bit less authentic, since real glass instruments are > typically LCD. > > -Matt Bailey > > > Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > Will it be possible to use this one for MFD > > http://us.thrustmaster.com/companyinfos/mediaroom/press_releases/lookpr.php3 ?pr=106 > > > > All the best > > Frank > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 09:56:08 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:56:08 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <001501c2831f$3c1b6b90$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> HC-5001-P-002 5 Display, 600x234 Resolution, 250 cd/m˛ 92 x 127 x 13 Order code - 301-3236 To compere at www.farnell.com around 380 USD - Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bailey" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > I was suprised at the price, it looks like a "special" screen for PS1 so > I figured it would be very expensive. Still, I wonder if a similar > sized-LCD could be purchased for less elsewhere? It just seems like a > screen promoted as a flight sim accesory and not just a generic screen > would be more expensive. > > For the money I would probably go with an iddy-biddy CRT, I remember > some refurbished 9" CRTs for like $35, but I forget the link (I think it > was posted on this list actually). Of course for glass cockpits the > image might look a bit less authentic, since real glass instruments are > typically LCD. > > -Matt Bailey > > > Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > Will it be possible to use this one for MFD > > http://us.thrustmaster.com/companyinfos/mediaroom/press_releases/lookpr.php3 ?pr=106 > > > > All the best > > Frank > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 16:36:40 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 11:36:40 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> <000f01c2831d$c6c6e910$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: <3DC55098.CE0496CC@rtccom.net> Not sure, I would guess since it is intended for PS1 it would plug into a VGA port but maybe it needs a special card (I didn't see any mention of it though). If you just used one computer then you would need an extra video card installed to get the panel AND the visuals, unless the 5" setup used a special card. -Matt Bailey Frank Riedel wrote: > > Okay... but vill it be possible to connect it to ordinary VGA output on PC > ??? > or must it be a little modidyed ??? > > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Bailey" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > I was suprised at the price, it looks like a "special" screen for PS1 so > > I figured it would be very expensive. Still, I wonder if a similar > > sized-LCD could be purchased for less elsewhere? It just seems like a > > screen promoted as a flight sim accesory and not just a generic screen > > would be more expensive. > > > > For the money I would probably go with an iddy-biddy CRT, I remember > > some refurbished 9" CRTs for like $35, but I forget the link (I think it > > was posted on this list actually). Of course for glass cockpits the > > image might look a bit less authentic, since real glass instruments are > > typically LCD. > > > > -Matt Bailey > > > > > Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > Will it be possible to use this one for MFD > > > > http://us.thrustmaster.com/companyinfos/mediaroom/press_releases/lookpr.php3 > ?pr=106 > > > > > > All the best > > > Frank From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 16:50:34 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 11:50:34 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> <000f01c2831d$c6c6e910$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: <3DC553DA.BE2CB8B8@rtccom.net> Oh did you mean a CRT? Yes if it was just a small VGA monitor you could hook it directly to your video card. I've thought about using little portable TVs for instruments due to low cost (well, I THOUGHT...can't seem to find ones that are just simple CRTs and don't have a lot of extra stuff like fancy tuners and audio etc) in the case of a TV you would need a TV converter (which I think is fairly cheap, but if you got a small TV and a converter it might not be a lot more money to just get a small LCD) or you could use a video card that has TV out. My new GF2 MX has TV out so that's what I was thinking. I figured it would be cool to have visuals on the monitor output and panel on the TV-out, but I think you are limited to VGA *or* TV, not both at the same time. I haven't got the card installed yet so I'm not sure. -Matt Bailey Frank Riedel wrote: > > Okay... but vill it be possible to connect it to ordinary VGA output on PC > ??? > or must it be a little modidyed ??? > > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Bailey" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > I was suprised at the price, it looks like a "special" screen for PS1 so > > I figured it would be very expensive. Still, I wonder if a similar > > sized-LCD could be purchased for less elsewhere? It just seems like a > > screen promoted as a flight sim accesory and not just a generic screen > > would be more expensive. > > > > For the money I would probably go with an iddy-biddy CRT, I remember > > some refurbished 9" CRTs for like $35, but I forget the link (I think it > > was posted on this list actually). Of course for glass cockpits the > > image might look a bit less authentic, since real glass instruments are > > typically LCD. > > > > -Matt Bailey > > > > > Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > Will it be possible to use this one for MFD > > > > http://us.thrustmaster.com/companyinfos/mediaroom/press_releases/lookpr.php3 > ?pr=106 > > > > > > All the best > > > Frank From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 18:01:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:01:41 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: <3DC553DA.BE2CB8B8@rtccom.net> References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> <000f01c2831d$c6c6e910$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104070013.024f0c20@pop3.paradise.net.nz> >a small LCD) or you could use a video card that has TV out. My new GF2 >MX has TV out so that's what I was thinking. I figured it would be cool >to have visuals on the monitor output and panel on the TV-out, but I >think you are limited to VGA *or* TV, not both at the same time. I >haven't got the card installed yet so I'm not sure. If you have the GF2MX-MX400 you can have VGA+VGA or VGA+SVideo out, which is how I plan on running my APG-66 via TV-Out to a small LCD TV screen. Sean. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 18:56:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Prohm) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:56:04 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying In-Reply-To: <000f01c27ed7$dc576a60$65f0fea9@amdbixp1800> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3119219765_398944_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi everyone Mike wrote to me that some people like to know I'm dying or not. Ha Ha...yeah... Thanks,.. guys. I'm in the mud,but I'm fine. :-) Many thing didn't under the control exactly like I expected to be. The Studios building are delay... and will finish in December, The budget is over,and..blah...blah///////// Anyway,I'm not dying. I got a few chances to get into the internet, just take a very quick glanced over the subject of the simpits mails on each day , I know I will lost many messages. If anyone here need me, please hit directly on my head with the subject name, You may ask my big brother Gene for some trout ,then shoot it to my way,he got a lot of them in his shop. :-) I'm writing the books for my school also, it's really took much time, but I will have some little gift to you guys for the coming new year. Last week, I won 3 awards from the music I wrote for the advertising jingle. ya... that's all. My viper pit still sitting there in my old studio, no time to touch it. very sad ... :-( Next year....., it will fly next year. I promise. Thanks for your warm heart. and Hey.. Mike !! thanks man. -- Prohm 'Rama' Snitwong prohm@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org --MS_Mac_OE_3119219765_398944_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT_Hello, I'm not dying Hi everyone

Mike wrote to me that some people like to know I'm dying or not. Ha Ha...ye= ah... Thanks,.. guys.
I'm in the mud,but I'm fine.  :-)
Many thing didn't under the control exactly like I expected to be.
The Studios building are delay... and will finish in December, The budget i= s over,and..blah...blah/////////
Anyway,I'm not dying.

I got a few chances to get into the internet, just take a very quick glance= d over the subject of the simpits mails on
each day , I know I will lost many messages.
If anyone here need me, please hit directly on my head with the subject nam= e,
You may ask my big brother Gene for some trout ,then shoot it to my way,he = got a lot of them in his shop. :-)

I'm writing the books for my school also, it's really took much time,
but I will have some little gift to you guys for the coming new year.

Last week, I won 3 awards from the music I wrote for the advertising jingle= . ya... that's all.
My viper pit still sitting there in my old studio, no time to touch it. &nb= sp;very sad ... :-(

Next year....., it will fly next year. I promise.

Thanks for your warm heart.
and Hey.. Mike !!  thanks man.

--
Prohm 'Rama' Snitwong
prohm@simpits.org
http://www.simpits.org

 --MS_Mac_OE_3119219765_398944_MIME_Part-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 18:56:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (JRM JRM) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:56:15 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT Message-ID: I am doing test in a old 5" CRT color Tv and a new crt 7 " BW TV (both whit Video IN) and the Falcon 4 RWD, DED, HSI etc looks fine in both. Juan Ramon Maestro >From: Sean Galbraith >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT >Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:01:41 +1300 > > >>a small LCD) or you could use a video card that has TV out. My new GF2 >>MX has TV out so that's what I was thinking. I figured it would be cool >>to have visuals on the monitor output and panel on the TV-out, but I >>think you are limited to VGA *or* TV, not both at the same time. I >>haven't got the card installed yet so I'm not sure. > >If you have the GF2MX-MX400 you can have VGA+VGA or VGA+SVideo out, which >is how I plan on running my APG-66 via TV-Out to a small LCD TV screen. > >Sean. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.microsoft.com/es From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 20:08:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:08:00 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: <3DC55098.CE0496CC@rtccom.net> Message-ID: without ceeing one, I would say it uses an RCA connector for video, you could use another pci card in your box with an svideo output, then use a svideo to RCA cable to plug into it, I will use a dedicated pc over network for MFD's when the time comes and 5" lcd's. > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Matt Bailey > Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 11:37 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > Not sure, I would guess since it is intended for PS1 it would plug into > a VGA port but maybe it needs a special card (I didn't see any mention > of it though). If you just used one computer then you would need an > extra video card installed to get the panel AND the visuals, unless the > 5" setup used a special card. > > -Matt Bailey > > Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > Okay... but vill it be possible to connect it to ordinary VGA > output on PC > > ??? > > or must it be a little modidyed ??? > > > > Frank > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Bailey" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > > > I was suprised at the price, it looks like a "special" screen > for PS1 so > > > I figured it would be very expensive. Still, I wonder if a similar > > > sized-LCD could be purchased for less elsewhere? It just seems like a > > > screen promoted as a flight sim accesory and not just a generic screen > > > would be more expensive. > > > > > > For the money I would probably go with an iddy-biddy CRT, I remember > > > some refurbished 9" CRTs for like $35, but I forget the link > (I think it > > > was posted on this list actually). Of course for glass cockpits the > > > image might look a bit less authentic, since real glass > instruments are > > > typically LCD. > > > > > > -Matt Bailey > > > > > > > Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > Will it be possible to use this one for MFD > > > > > > > http://us.thrustmaster.com/companyinfos/mediaroom/press_releases/l ookpr.php3 > ?pr=106 > > > > > > All the best > > > Frank _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 20:09:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:09:10 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_XvWLjx4Efivge1A4QvJPww) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT OT_Hello, I'm not dyingRama, sounds like you are doing well overall, must be very busy, glad everything is going good, take out some time and fly SP3, its awesome! see you back when you don't have so many irons in the fire :)- -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Prohm Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:56 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying Hi everyone Mike wrote to me that some people like to know I'm dying or not. Ha Ha...yeah... Thanks,.. guys. I'm in the mud,but I'm fine. :-) Many thing didn't under the control exactly like I expected to be. The Studios building are delay... and will finish in December, The budget is over,and..blah...blah///////// Anyway,I'm not dying. I got a few chances to get into the internet, just take a very quick glanced over the subject of the simpits mails on each day , I know I will lost many messages. If anyone here need me, please hit directly on my head with the subject name, You may ask my big brother Gene for some trout ,then shoot it to my way,he got a lot of them in his shop. :-) I'm writing the books for my school also, it's really took much time, but I will have some little gift to you guys for the coming new year. Last week, I won 3 awards from the music I wrote for the advertising jingle. ya... that's all. My viper pit still sitting there in my old studio, no time to touch it. very sad ... :-( Next year....., it will fly next year. I promise. Thanks for your warm heart. and Hey.. Mike !! thanks man. -- Prohm 'Rama' Snitwong prohm@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org --Boundary_(ID_XvWLjx4Efivge1A4QvJPww) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT OT_Hello, I'm not dying
Rama, sounds like you are doing well overall, must be very busy, glad everything is going good, take out some time and fly SP3, its awesome!
see you back when you don't have so many irons in the fire :)-
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Prohm
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:56 PM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying

Hi everyone

Mike wrote to me that some people like to know I'm dying or not. Ha Ha...yeah... Thanks,.. guys.
I'm in the mud,but I'm fine.  :-)
Many thing didn't under the control exactly like I expected to be.
The Studios building are delay... and will finish in December, The budget is over,and..blah...blah/////////
Anyway,I'm not dying.

I got a few chances to get into the internet, just take a very quick glanced over the subject of the simpits mails on
each day , I know I will lost many messages.
If anyone here need me, please hit directly on my head with the subject name,
You may ask my big brother Gene for some trout ,then shoot it to my way,he got a lot of them in his shop. :-)

I'm writing the books for my school also, it's really took much time,
but I will have some little gift to you guys for the coming new year.

Last week, I won 3 awards from the music I wrote for the advertising jingle. ya... that's all.
My viper pit still sitting there in my old studio, no time to touch it.  very sad ... :-(

Next year....., it will fly next year. I promise.

Thanks for your warm heart.
and Hey.. Mike !!  thanks man.

--
Prohm 'Rama' Snitwong
prohm@simpits.org
http://www.simpits.org

--Boundary_(ID_XvWLjx4Efivge1A4QvJPww)-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 20:31:48 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:31:48 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13328052056.20021103213148@gmx.net> Hi, Prohm! Good to hear from you again! P> Last week, I won 3 awards from the music I wrote for the advertising jingle. P> ya... that's all. THAT'S ALL? ... CONGRATULATIONS!! are there any downloads of your music available at the net? would like to hear some samples from you. it's great to see you alright, so keep your head up!! greetings michi ******************** The Multipit www.f16simulator.net ******************** From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 20:55:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:55:47 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] f-16 canopy on ebay! In-Reply-To: <13328052056.20021103213148@gmx.net> References: <13328052056.20021103213148@gmx.net> Message-ID: <16829491636.20021103215547@gmx.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871754736 uuuuuuhhhhwwwwoooooooow ;) and again... it's one of these moments I'd like to live in the US. :) greetings michi www.f16simulator.net From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 21:01:26 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:01:26 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at ebay In-Reply-To: <13328052056.20021103213148@gmx.net> References: <13328052056.20021103213148@gmx.net> Message-ID: <10729830073.20021103220126@gmx.net> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=731254246 F4-cockpit! greetings michi www.f16simulator.net From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 21:19:48 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jean-Yves SURFIN') Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:19:48 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] f-16 canopy on ebay! In-Reply-To: <16829491636.20021103215547@gmx.net> Message-ID: <001201c2837e$bdba8230$65f0fea9@amdbixp1800> Bouhhh.... A poor frenchie.... :-) Jean-Yves JOUANNY -----Message d'origine----- De : simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] De la part de Michi Hirczy Envoyé : dimanche 3 novembre 2002 21:56 Ŕ : Michi Hirczy Objet : [simpits-tech] f-16 canopy on ebay! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871754736 uuuuuuhhhhwwwwoooooooow ;) and again... it's one of these moments I'd like to live in the US. :) greetings michi www.f16simulator.net _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 21:21:36 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jean-Yves SURFIN') Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:21:36 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c2837e$fe3688e0$65f0fea9@amdbixp1800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28387.5FFAF0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Prohm=20 =20 Thanks for your news and congratulations about your music awards ! =20 Jean-Yves JOUANNY =20 =20 =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] De la part de Prohm Envoy=E9 : dimanche 3 novembre 2002 19:56 =C0 : simpits-tech@simpits.org Objet : [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying =20 Hi everyone Mike wrote to me that some people like to know I'm dying or not. Ha Ha...yeah... Thanks,.. guys. I'm in the mud,but I'm fine. :-) Many thing didn't under the control exactly like I expected to be. The Studios building are delay... and will finish in December, The budget is over,and..blah...blah///////// Anyway,I'm not dying. I got a few chances to get into the internet, just take a very quick glanced over the subject of the simpits mails on each day , I know I will lost many messages. If anyone here need me, please hit directly on my head with the subject name, You may ask my big brother Gene for some trout ,then shoot it to my way,he got a lot of them in his shop. :-) I'm writing the books for my school also, it's really took much time, but I will have some little gift to you guys for the coming new year. Last week, I won 3 awards from the music I wrote for the advertising jingle. ya... that's all. My viper pit still sitting there in my old studio, no time to touch it. very sad ... :-( Next year....., it will fly next year. I promise. Thanks for your warm heart. and Hey.. Mike !! thanks man. --=20 Prohm 'Rama' Snitwong prohm@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28387.5FFAF0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT_Hello, I'm not dying

Hi=A0 Prohm

 

Thanks for your news and congratulations about your music awards !

 

Jean-Yves JOUANNY

 

 

 

-----Message = d'origine-----
De : simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] = De la part de Prohm
Envoy=E9 : dimanche = 3 novembre 2002 19:56
=C0 : = simpits-tech@simpits.org
Objet : = [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying

 

Hi everyone

Mike wrote to me that some people like to know I'm dying or not. Ha Ha...yeah... Thanks,.. guys.
I'm in the mud,but I'm fine.  :-)
Many thing didn't under the control exactly like I expected to be.
The Studios building are delay... and will finish in December, The = budget is over,and..blah...blah/////////
Anyway,I'm not dying.

I got a few chances to get into the internet, just take a very quick = glanced over the subject of the simpits mails on
each day , I know I will lost many messages.
If anyone here need me, please hit directly on my head with the subject = name,
You may ask my big brother Gene for some trout ,then shoot it to my = way,he got a lot of them in his shop. :-)

I'm writing the books for my school also, it's really took much = time,
but I will have some little gift to you guys for the coming new = year.

Last week, I won 3 awards from the music I wrote for the advertising = jingle. ya... that's all.
My viper pit still sitting there in my old studio, no time to touch it.  very sad ... :-(

Next year....., it will fly next year. I promise.

Thanks for your warm heart.
and Hey.. Mike !!  thanks man.

--
Prohm 'Rama' Snitwong
prohm@simpits.org
http://www.simpits.org

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28387.5FFAF0E0-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 21:44:49 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:44:49 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: Message-ID: <005501c28382$3c139a60$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Falcon 4...... how do you get images of RWR DED and HSI out on a video ?????? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "JRM JRM" To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT I am doing test in a old 5" CRT color Tv and a new crt 7 " BW TV (both whit Video IN) and the Falcon 4 RWD, DED, HSI etc looks fine in both. Juan Ramon Maestro >From: Sean Galbraith >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT >Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:01:41 +1300 > > >>a small LCD) or you could use a video card that has TV out. My new GF2 >>MX has TV out so that's what I was thinking. I figured it would be cool >>to have visuals on the monitor output and panel on the TV-out, but I >>think you are limited to VGA *or* TV, not both at the same time. I >>haven't got the card installed yet so I'm not sure. > >If you have the GF2MX-MX400 you can have VGA+VGA or VGA+SVideo out, which >is how I plan on running my APG-66 via TV-Out to a small LCD TV screen. > >Sean. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.microsoft.com/es _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 22:12:45 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:12:45 +0100 Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: <005501c28382$3c139a60$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> References: <005501c28382$3c139a60$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: <15834109206.20021103231245@gmx.net> FR> Falcon 4...... how do you get images of RWR DED and HSI out on a video FR> ?????? hi, Frank! use Erwin's great DataMirror and F4Instrument programs at www.eagle9.nl . greetings michi www.f16simulator.net From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 22:27:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:27:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at ebay In-Reply-To: <10729830073.20021103220126@gmx.net> Message-ID: I wonder if the guy that has bid on it realizes that it's in Germany. Shipping costs are gonna be entertaining to say the least. :) g. On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, Michi Hirczy wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=731254246 > > F4-cockpit! > greetings > michi > www.f16simulator.net > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 22:29:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:29:15 +0100 Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <005501c28382$3c139a60$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <15834109206.20021103231245@gmx.net> Message-ID: <006e01c28388$7376ed80$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> THANKS ;o) Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michi Hirczy" To: "Frank Riedel" Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > FR> Falcon 4...... how do you get images of RWR DED and HSI out on a video > FR> ?????? > > hi, Frank! > > use Erwin's great DataMirror and F4Instrument programs at > www.eagle9.nl . > > greetings > michi > www.f16simulator.net > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 23:17:27 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:17:27 +0100 Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19737990667.20021104001727@gmx.net> GB> I wonder if the guy that has bid on it realizes that it's in Germany. GB> Shipping costs are gonna be entertaining to say the least. :) hey gene.. why do you thing, that it's located it germany? From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 3 23:33:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Eric D. Taylor) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:33:12 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: I-glasses SVGA W/Tracker For Sale or Trade In-Reply-To: <200211031944.LAA25208@uridium.deltasoft.com> Message-ID: <000001c28391$5ffb3370$56276a3f@ericx04sy5aekn> Hey everyone. I have a brand new I-Glasses SVGA (800X600) resolution complete with head tracker and software for sale or trade. I have had it for only a couple months. I decided to go with a full pit and projector at this point so I'd like to either sale it or trade it to someone who can make use of it. I paid $1495.00 US for it minus shipping brand new from factory. It calibrates great and work fine with flight sims with mouse look technology. I would prefer to trade for a projector 1024 x768 res 1000 lumen or more. But I'm not too terribly picky. :-) If interested just contact me etaylor@leaco.net . Thanks everyone. Eric "RoadRunner" Taylor From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 00:23:49 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:23:49 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: I-glasses SVGA W/Tracker For Sale or Trade In-Reply-To: <000001c28391$5ffb3370$56276a3f@ericx04sy5aekn> Message-ID: <002c01c28398$7220b910$0100a8c0@main> Hi Eric, Could you describe the head-tracked/HMD experience for me? I'm working on a home brew HMD rig(unproven design). I've never had the opportunity to try a HMD of any kind. Short of a 360 deg dome, I envision this technology as being the next best thing since... Were you able to use in a combat sim like Falcon4. I imagine being able to "look around" naturally would give a tremendous improvement in immersion. Could you comment on the relatively small field of view (30 deg)? If the rig had 60 deg FOV @ 1600x1200 resolution(twice the size with same effective resolution), how much difference would that make in the experience? Thanks, Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Eric D. Taylor Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 6:33 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: I-glasses SVGA W/Tracker For Sale or Trade Hey everyone. I have a brand new I-Glasses SVGA (800X600) resolution complete with head tracker and software for sale or trade. I have had it for only a couple months. I decided to go with a full pit and projector at this point so I'd like to either sale it or trade it to someone who can make use of it. I paid $1495.00 US for it minus shipping brand new from factory. It calibrates great and work fine with flight sims with mouse look technology. I would prefer to trade for a projector 1024 x768 res 1000 lumen or more. But I'm not too terribly picky. :-) If interested just contact me etaylor@leaco.net . Thanks everyone. Eric "RoadRunner" Taylor _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 01:38:56 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 20:38:56 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at ebay In-Reply-To: <19737990667.20021104001727@gmx.net> Message-ID: ah, you sent the ebay link from the german language, the seller is in Pennsylvania ,USA , look at his other auction, some nice items there too > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Michi Hirczy > Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 6:17 PM > To: Gene Buckle > Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at > ebay > > > > GB> I wonder if the guy that has bid on it realizes that it's in Germany. > GB> Shipping costs are gonna be entertaining to say the least. :) > hey gene.. > why do you thing, that it's located it germany? > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 02:00:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:00:37 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Remove Before Flight streamers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know how realistic they are but here are some streamers on ebay, you can save 50 cents by buying them from the sellers website. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871783312 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 03:41:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:41:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at ebay In-Reply-To: <19737990667.20021104001727@gmx.net> Message-ID: > GB> I wonder if the guy that has bid on it realizes that it's in Germany. > GB> Shipping costs are gonna be entertaining to say the least. :) > hey gene.. > why do you thing, that it's located it germany? > I thought the link was only on ebay.de? g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 05:35:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 00:35:47 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> <000f01c2831d$c6c6e910$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <5.1.0.14.0.20021104070013.024f0c20@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3DC60733.3B9C1BED@rtccom.net> Really? Interesting...it's an MX200, wonder if it would work? Right now I am waiting to install it until I get this deal worked out with the company I bought it from...it was supposed to be a "RETAIL" card but all I got was the card itself, like OEM. So for right now I'm not doing anything with it, if I end up returning it I don't want them saying I fried it. It doesn't look like they want to refund/replace it though, and frankly I am getting impatient and tired of messing with it. So if I don't hear back from them this week I will probably just go ahead and install it. It has a VGA port (of course) and the TV out, which someone told me is S-Video (like your MX400). But how can you get 2 VGA displays with just oen VGA port and one S-Video port? Also, do you get full acceleration on both displays? -Matt Bailey Sean Galbraith wrote: > > >a small LCD) or you could use a video card that has TV out. My new GF2 > >MX has TV out so that's what I was thinking. I figured it would be cool > >to have visuals on the monitor output and panel on the TV-out, but I > >think you are limited to VGA *or* TV, not both at the same time. I > >haven't got the card installed yet so I'm not sure. > > If you have the GF2MX-MX400 you can have VGA+VGA or VGA+SVideo out, which > is how I plan on running my APG-66 via TV-Out to a small LCD TV screen. > > Sean. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 05:36:55 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:36:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at ebay Message-ID: <20021104053655.81186.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> If I had the cash I'd get it. I wouldn't mind having the ejection seat either. Justin ------------------------------ http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=731254246 F4-cockpit! greetings michi www.f16simulator.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 05:43:57 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Eric D. Taylor) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:43:57 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: I-Glasses and my pit In-Reply-To: <200211040115.RAA27770@uridium.deltasoft.com> Message-ID: <000001c283c5$2b5c4b20$56276a3f@ericx04sy5aekn> Craig, I had them working with IL-2 perfectly. Easy to calibrate. Once you get used to the adjustment on FOV it's quite natural. Especially when a Bandit comes zoom across your FOV and you can follow him across while turning in to follow. It's a very immersed environment. Building a full cockpit now, this won't work for me, I feel like taking the glare shield off the glasses lessens the experience. I bought a 640 x 480 older projector on ebay a while back to test the immersiveness of a 12' x 12' picture on the wall. I personally enjoyed that more. If I could find a happy medium on front, left, and right, views all together it would be great, but I feel like it wouldn't be possible using Falcon 4 as my sim of choice. I am using phidgets right now to put together my switches and dials, and it's working quite well. I have found some 5.6" LCD monitors for $114.00 US at a site I can't seem to recall just now, and am using F4 Glass to run those. Right now I'm up to 4 computers to run everything. :-) Tigerdirect has some barebone kits running $89.95 right now, the computers are just powerful enough to run the lcd's. I figured I didn't need much more than a 450mhz machine just to do that. I just need to find a place to laser engrave my panels and I'm set. Been doing a lot of hardware research first, then grunt work will be next. I wish F4 glass could pull MFD's. That would be superior. Eric P.S. I have tried using magnetic and mercury switched head mounted trackers. So far the magnetic has performed the best, slightly harder to calibrate given proximity to cpu, monitor, etc. But overall better performance. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 07:51:08 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:51:08 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: <3DC60733.3B9C1BED@rtccom.net> References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> <000f01c2831d$c6c6e910$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <5.1.0.14.0.20021104070013.024f0c20@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104204849.02ec03b0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> >It has a VGA port (of course) and the TV out, which someone told me is >S-Video (like your MX400). But how can you get 2 VGA displays with just >oen VGA port and one S-Video port? Also, do you get full acceleration on >both displays? The MX400 has two VGA + one TV-out, that's the difference :) and while you can display 2 accelerated images, the second one is seriously slow :( I use the second VGA for panels and other 2d stuff, then it works great! Much like how I intend using it in the pit, main OTW view on the primary VGA => Projector, and the APG-66(NZ) radar on the LCD screen via TV-out. Sean. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 09:41:44 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (JRM) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:41:44 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <005501c28382$3c139a60$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: Easy, Erwin neyt (www.eagle9.nl) "glass" software, Falcon4 SPk3, Gforce 4 mx460 (Video in and out) and detonator drivers (tv out work fine in detonator drivers) for Gforce. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Riedel" To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > Falcon 4...... how do you get images of RWR DED and HSI out on a video > ?????? > > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JRM JRM" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > > I am doing test in a old 5" CRT color Tv and a new crt 7 " BW TV (both > whit Video IN) and the Falcon 4 RWD, DED, HSI etc looks fine in both. > > Juan Ramon Maestro > > > > > > >From: Sean Galbraith > >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > >Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:01:41 +1300 > > > > > >>a small LCD) or you could use a video card that has TV out. My new GF2 > >>MX has TV out so that's what I was thinking. I figured it would be cool > >>to have visuals on the monitor output and panel on the TV-out, but I > >>think you are limited to VGA *or* TV, not both at the same time. I > >>haven't got the card installed yet so I'm not sure. > > > >If you have the GF2MX-MX400 you can have VGA+VGA or VGA+SVideo out, which > >is how I plan on running my APG-66 via TV-Out to a small LCD TV screen. > > > >Sean. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech@simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > >page. Thanks! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.microsoft.com/es > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 10:49:49 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:49:49 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at ebay References: Message-ID: <3DC650CD.6060705@gmx.net> > I thought the link was only on ebay.de? > ahh.. I see.. no, I usually use the powersearch on the .de-website to look for worldwide items... greetings michi From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 14:10:49 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:10:49 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c2840b$fd2e6ca0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Show us pictures; give more detail to us poor programming illiterate souls. Jay "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of JRM Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:42 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT Easy, Erwin neyt (www.eagle9.nl) "glass" software, Falcon4 SPk3, Gforce 4 mx460 (Video in and out) and detonator drivers (tv out work fine in detonator drivers) for Gforce. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Riedel" To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > Falcon 4...... how do you get images of RWR DED and HSI out on a video > ?????? > > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JRM JRM" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > > I am doing test in a old 5" CRT color Tv and a new crt 7 " BW TV (both > whit Video IN) and the Falcon 4 RWD, DED, HSI etc looks fine in both. > > Juan Ramon Maestro > > > > > > >From: Sean Galbraith > >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > >Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:01:41 +1300 > > > > > >>a small LCD) or you could use a video card that has TV out. My new GF2 > >>MX has TV out so that's what I was thinking. I figured it would be cool > >>to have visuals on the monitor output and panel on the TV-out, but I > >>think you are limited to VGA *or* TV, not both at the same time. I > >>haven't got the card installed yet so I'm not sure. > > > >If you have the GF2MX-MX400 you can have VGA+VGA or VGA+SVideo out, which > >is how I plan on running my APG-66 via TV-Out to a small LCD TV screen. > > > >Sean. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech@simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > >page. Thanks! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.microsoft.com/es > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 14:35:48 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:35:48 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <000501c2840b$fd2e6ca0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <3DC685C4.1020600@gmx.net> Joseph Fagner wrote: > Show us pictures; give more detail to us poor programming illiterate > souls. > > Jay > Hey Jay.. no need for programming. download the tools from Erwin's site (www.eagle9.nl) and install the F4DM-Server on the machine you're running Falcon, and F4DM-client and F4Glass on the "Instrument" machine. You can place the instruments of F4Glass anywhere you like at the desktop. greetings michi From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 15:07:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:07:05 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: <3DC685C4.1020600@gmx.net> Message-ID: <000501c28413$dab9cd10$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Sweet, another project to experiment with. Jay "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Michi Hirczy Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:36 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT Joseph Fagner wrote: > Show us pictures; give more detail to us poor programming illiterate > souls. > > Jay > Hey Jay.. no need for programming. download the tools from Erwin's site (www.eagle9.nl) and install the F4DM-Server on the machine you're running Falcon, and F4DM-client and F4Glass on the "Instrument" machine. You can place the instruments of F4Glass anywhere you like at the desktop. greetings michi _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 15:37:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:37:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Justin, once again, something for you at ebay In-Reply-To: <3DC650CD.6060705@gmx.net> Message-ID: > > I thought the link was only on ebay.de? > > > > ahh.. I see.. > no, I usually use the powersearch on the .de-website to look for > worldwide items... > Hehe. I didn't even know that option was there. :) g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 16:27:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:27:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: <000501c28413$dab9cd10$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: Caution to the the wind... The Sea Hawk deal is done - and it'll be delivered in a couple of weeks. God help me... especially once the wife see's it! Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 17:37:26 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Erwin Neyt) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:37:26 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT Message-ID: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788200E@URANUS> FYI. I just started to port F4 Glass to DirectX, hoping to improve the performance. This will take me a few months. F4 Data Mirror will be enhanced with 'virtual keyboard' support so any PC running F4DM will have it's keyboard available for F4 input. Might be helpfull in the future (_when_ we can run MFD's) so we can have the OSB keys mapped to the PC where the MFD is running. Another use I can think of is having keyboard emulation equipment (KE, EPIC) in a PC *not* running Falcon. No ETA on this one ;) Erwin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michi Hirczy [mailto:mi.hi@gmx.net] > Sent: maandag 4 november 2002 15:36 > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > Joseph Fagner wrote: > > Show us pictures; give more detail to us poor programming > illiterate > > souls. > > > > Jay > > > > Hey Jay.. no need for programming. > download the tools from Erwin's site (www.eagle9.nl) and install the > F4DM-Server on the machine you're running Falcon, and F4DM-client and > F4Glass on the "Instrument" machine. > You can place the instruments of F4Glass anywhere you like at > the desktop. > > greetings > michi > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-tech > To > unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the > bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 17:48:17 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:48:17 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788200E@URANUS> Message-ID: <000701c2842a$5bb69360$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Erwin... what a hell of a work... "keep on flying"... i'll love you for this software ;-) All the best Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Neyt" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > FYI. > > I just started to port F4 Glass to DirectX, hoping to improve the > performance. This will take me a few months. > > F4 Data Mirror will be enhanced with 'virtual keyboard' support so any PC > running F4DM will have it's keyboard available for F4 input. Might be > helpfull in the future (_when_ we can run MFD's) so we can have the OSB keys > mapped to the PC where the MFD is running. Another use I can think of is > having keyboard emulation equipment (KE, EPIC) in a PC *not* running Falcon. > No ETA on this one ;) > > Erwin. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michi Hirczy [mailto:mi.hi@gmx.net] > > Sent: maandag 4 november 2002 15:36 > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > > > > Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > Show us pictures; give more detail to us poor programming > > illiterate > > > souls. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > Hey Jay.. no need for programming. > > download the tools from Erwin's site (www.eagle9.nl) and install the > > F4DM-Server on the machine you're running Falcon, and F4DM-client and > > F4Glass on the "Instrument" machine. > > You can place the instruments of F4Glass anywhere you like at > > the desktop. > > > > greetings > > michi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-tech > > To > > unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the > > bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 17:55:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:55:02 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788200E@URANUS> Message-ID: That's Great , Erwin! great support, appreciate your hard work on this program as I will utilize it much in my pit. Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Erwin Neyt > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:37 PM > To: 'simpits-tech@simpits.org' > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > FYI. > > I just started to port F4 Glass to DirectX, hoping to improve the > performance. This will take me a few months. > > F4 Data Mirror will be enhanced with 'virtual keyboard' support so any PC > running F4DM will have it's keyboard available for F4 input. Might be > helpfull in the future (_when_ we can run MFD's) so we can have > the OSB keys > mapped to the PC where the MFD is running. Another use I can think of is > having keyboard emulation equipment (KE, EPIC) in a PC *not* > running Falcon. > No ETA on this one ;) > > Erwin. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michi Hirczy [mailto:mi.hi@gmx.net] > > Sent: maandag 4 november 2002 15:36 > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > > > > Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > Show us pictures; give more detail to us poor programming > > illiterate > > > souls. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > Hey Jay.. no need for programming. > > download the tools from Erwin's site (www.eagle9.nl) and install the > > F4DM-Server on the machine you're running Falcon, and F4DM-client and > > F4Glass on the "Instrument" machine. > > You can place the instruments of F4Glass anywhere you like at > > the desktop. > > > > greetings > > michi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-tech > > To > > unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the > > bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 17:59:43 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:59:43 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done References: Message-ID: <005001c2842b$f4695880$8430cb18@Kelly> Better be very, very nice to her for the next two weeks :) Lucky you Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done > > > Caution to the the wind... > > The Sea Hawk deal is done - and it'll be delivered in a couple of weeks. > > God help me... especially once the wife see's it! > > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 18:08:50 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:08:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: <005001c2842b$f4695880$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, kelly Mclaren wrote: > Better be very, very nice to her for the next two weeks :) > Lucky you > you mean... let her loose on Ebay again? Hello no! ;) I'm reminded of the old joke about a guy whose wifes credit cards were stolen. He never reported the matter since the thief was spending less than his wife did ;) Its our wedding anniversary tomorrow... she'll be in a good mood, I'll break the news then ;> Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 17:17:11 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Prohm) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:17:11 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying In-Reply-To: <13328052056.20021103213148@gmx.net> Message-ID: > are there any downloads of your music available at the net? would like > to hear some samples from you. I will put them on my new web site,it will take some more time to do that. > it's great to see you alright, so keep your head up!! Thanks man -- Prohm 'Rama' Snitwong prohm@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 17:20:09 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Prohm) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:20:09 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3119300410_390574_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rama, sounds like you are doing well overall, must be very busy, glad everything is going good, take out some time and fly SP3, its awesome! see you back when you don't have so many irons in the fire :)- --------------------- I will my friend. Thx -- Prohm 'Rama' Snitwong prohm@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org --MS_Mac_OE_3119300410_390574_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [simpits-tech] OT_Hello, I'm not dying
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 --MS_Mac_OE_3119300410_390574_MIME_Part-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 19:39:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:39:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: Message-ID: w00T! Welcome to the club Roy! Medication is passed out nightly and don't argue with the orderlies. :) g. On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Roy Coates wrote: > > > Caution to the the wind... > > The Sea Hawk deal is done - and it'll be delivered in a couple of weeks. > > God help me... especially once the wife see's it! > > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 19:45:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:45:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > w00T! Welcome to the club Roy! Medication is passed out nightly and > don't argue with the orderlies. :) > Knowing my luck, I'll get nurse ratchet ;) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 20:30:18 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:30:18 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done Message-ID: Er, you sure about that plan, Roy? "Happy Aniversary, hon! Guess what I did!" I may not be married (side note: naner naner naner :P), but I can see a number of ways that might not work... Oh well, guess you know her better than I do! Good luck! Brian ----Original Message Follows---- From: Roy Coates Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:08:50 +0000 (GMT) On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, kelly Mclaren wrote: > Better be very, very nice to her for the next two weeks :) > Lucky you > you mean... let her loose on Ebay again? Hello no! ;) I'm reminded of the old joke about a guy whose wifes credit cards were stolen. He never reported the matter since the thief was spending less than his wife did ;) Its our wedding anniversary tomorrow... she'll be in a good mood, I'll break the news then ;> Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 20:35:18 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:35:18 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: <000701c2842a$5bb69360$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: <000b01c28441$b3793140$1401a8c0@theiceberg> I have to second that. Even though I don't actually have any of the software running at the moment, this is stuff that I would have a great deal of difficulty doing myself and will need this to rum my sim. I, for one, am eternally grateful to you for the work you do and for sharing that work with the community. Thank you immensely Jay "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Frank Riedel Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:48 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT Erwin... what a hell of a work... "keep on flying"... i'll love you for this software ;-) All the best Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Neyt" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > FYI. > > I just started to port F4 Glass to DirectX, hoping to improve the > performance. This will take me a few months. > > F4 Data Mirror will be enhanced with 'virtual keyboard' support so any PC > running F4DM will have it's keyboard available for F4 input. Might be > helpfull in the future (_when_ we can run MFD's) so we can have the OSB keys > mapped to the PC where the MFD is running. Another use I can think of is > having keyboard emulation equipment (KE, EPIC) in a PC *not* running Falcon. > No ETA on this one ;) > > Erwin. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michi Hirczy [mailto:mi.hi@gmx.net] > > Sent: maandag 4 november 2002 15:36 > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > > > > Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > Show us pictures; give more detail to us poor programming > > illiterate > > > souls. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > Hey Jay.. no need for programming. > > download the tools from Erwin's site (www.eagle9.nl) and install the > > F4DM-Server on the machine you're running Falcon, and F4DM-client and > > F4Glass on the "Instrument" machine. > > You can place the instruments of F4Glass anywhere you like at > > the desktop. > > > > greetings > > michi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-tech > > To > > unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the > > bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 23:22:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:22:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Er, you sure about that plan, Roy? Yup. well, I think so. maybe? aw hell, help! > "Happy Aniversary, hon! Guess what I did!" I may not be married (side note: > naner naner naner :P), (Sobs quietly) > but I can see a number of ways that might not work... > Oh well, guess you know her better than I do! Good luck! Diamonds. They *never* fail ;) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 23:42:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:42:21 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> <000f01c2831d$c6c6e910$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <5.1.0.14.0.20021104070013.024f0c20@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20021104204849.02ec03b0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3DC705DD.37C057B6@rtccom.net> Wow, it's a dual header card? Is this common with all TV out MX400s, or just certain models? If I can return this card I would like to buy an MX400 from another place. -Matt Bailey Sean Galbraith wrote: > > >It has a VGA port (of course) and the TV out, which someone told me is > >S-Video (like your MX400). But how can you get 2 VGA displays with just > >oen VGA port and one S-Video port? Also, do you get full acceleration on > >both displays? > > The MX400 has two VGA + one TV-out, that's the difference :) and while you > can display 2 accelerated images, the second one is seriously slow :( I > use the second VGA for panels and other 2d stuff, then it works great! > > Much like how I intend using it in the pit, main OTW view on the primary > VGA => Projector, and the APG-66(NZ) radar on the LCD screen via TV-out. > > Sean. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 23:48:38 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:48:38 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done Message-ID: >Diamonds. They *never* fail ;) *jots down in notebook* I'll keep that in mind, Roy! I may not be married YET, but I've never been one to stay out of trouble... ;) Brian _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 4 18:48:49 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:48:49 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] new site update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1524606473.20021104194849@gmx.net> I have uploaded new pics of the ejection seat, also the english version of the AFB-visit report is available now. have a look at www.f16simulator.net greetings michi From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 01:19:11 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:19:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Combat Flight Simulator 3 Message-ID: <20021105011911.50690.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com> has anyone tried Combat Flight Simulator 3 yet? I want to know how good it is. Justin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 01:34:34 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marc Weigert) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:34:34 +0100 Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] new site update In-Reply-To: <1524606473.20021104194849@gmx.net> Message-ID: Michi, very nice work!! ... and nice media coverage! :)) Cheers, Marc > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]Im Auftrag von Michi Hirczy > Gesendet: Montag, 4. November 2002 19:49 > An: Roy Coates > Betreff: [simpits-tech] new site update > > > I have uploaded new pics of the ejection seat, also the english > version of the AFB-visit report is available now. > > have a look at > www.f16simulator.net > > greetings > michi > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 04:17:11 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:17:11 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Combat Flight Simulator 3 References: <20021105011911.50690.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c28482$36c091c0$8430cb18@Kelly> I have, had to return it, you need some powerful machine run it, installed it on a Athlon 1700xp, no fun when you have to reduce the graphic that makes it look like a four year old sim. But it was super nice looking at 2fps. If they come out with a pach, I'll get it again for chure. Trade it for iL2 which runs super smooth on my PC Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Messenger" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Combat Flight Simulator 3 > has anyone tried Combat Flight Simulator 3 yet? I want > to know how good it is. > Justin > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 04:52:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:52:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Combat Flight Simulator 3 References: <20021105011911.50690.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com> <000901c28482$36c091c0$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: <3DC74E7C.14902422@rtccom.net> Some people on another list I am on have tried it and most of them like it. There is a fix for the frame rate problem. They quoted some info from a netwings.org thread, I browsed around there a bit and sure enough here it is http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1149&forum=DCForumID27&omm=0 I don't have CFS3 so I can't try it. The one person on the list who wasn't real crazy about CFS3 complained about low performance, which I assume would be alleviated by this fix. >From what little I read while browsing netwings.org it looks like a lot of people are returning CFS3. I suspect it is mainly due to out-of-the-box performance being low. -Matt Bailey kelly Mclaren wrote: > > I have, had to return it, you need some powerful machine run it, installed > it on a Athlon 1700xp, no fun when you have to reduce the graphic that makes > it look like a four year old sim. But it was super nice looking at 2fps. If > they come out with a pach, I'll get it again for chure. Trade it for iL2 > which runs super smooth on my PC > > Marc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Messenger" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:19 PM > Subject: [simpits-tech] Combat Flight Simulator 3 > > > has anyone tried Combat Flight Simulator 3 yet? I want > > to know how good it is. > > Justin From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 06:02:25 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:02:25 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT In-Reply-To: <3DC705DD.37C057B6@rtccom.net> References: <001101c2811c$65419760$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <001001c28297$a5c30810$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <3DC44A47.D6C7E4F9@rtccom.net> <000f01c2831d$c6c6e910$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> <5.1.0.14.0.20021104070013.024f0c20@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20021104204849.02ec03b0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105190124.035e86b0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 06:42 PM 11/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >Wow, it's a dual header card? Is this common with all TV out MX400s, or >just certain models? If I can return this card I would like to buy an >MX400 from another place. > > -Matt Bailey I *think* (NO COMMENTS THANK YOU) it's just a plain old MX400... it is a gigabyte branded one, if that matters... I'll see if I can find anything more about it.. Sean From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 06:04:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:04:04 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: References: <000501c28413$dab9cd10$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105190320.035eb9e0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 04:27 PM 11/4/02 +0000, you wrote: >Caution to the the wind... > >The Sea Hawk deal is done - and it'll be delivered in a couple of weeks. > >God help me... especially once the wife see's it! Congratu-bloody-lations! Sean From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 08:42:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Erwin Neyt) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:42:37 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Combat Flight Simulator 3 Message-ID: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788200F@URANUS> We are at a point in time (been there before) where the software (all the new features in DirextX) is getting ahead on the current hardware. I have a pretty fast machine Athlon XP 2000+/512Mb/GF4 and noticed I tried to run UT2003 with all the settings max-ed. It crawls but it looks unbelievable. When you turn off most of the new features (tri-linear filtering, hi-res textures etc.) it runs smooth as a baby. I guess we wouldn't have much fun if Falcon 5 were to come out now (with all the screen candy we want it to have). We wouldn't have the hardware to run it. Even now F4 only delivers just enough FPS (@1600x1200) on my system to be snappy enough. We need new generation graphic chipsets and faster CPU/FSB/MEM (64-bit?). So maybe in a year or two? Maybe the still foggy F5 story will be a whole lot clearer by then. just my opinion, Erwin. ps. Needless to say the CFS3 screenshots look gorgeous!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Bailey [mailto:mattb@rtccom.net] > Sent: dinsdag 5 november 2002 5:52 > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Combat Flight Simulator 3 > > > Some people on another list I am on have tried it and most of > them like it. There is a fix for the frame rate problem. They > quoted some info from a netwings.org thread, I browsed around > there a bit and sure enough here it is > http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_th read&om=1149&forum=DCForumID27&omm=0 I don't have CFS3 so I can't try it. The one person on the list who wasn't real crazy about CFS3 complained about low performance, which I assume would be alleviated by this fix. From what little I read while browsing netwings.org it looks like a lot of people are returning CFS3. I suspect it is mainly due to out-of-the-box performance being low. -Matt Bailey kelly Mclaren wrote: > > I have, had to return it, you need some powerful machine run it, > installed it on a Athlon 1700xp, no fun when you have to reduce the > graphic that makes it look like a four year old sim. But it was super > nice looking at 2fps. If they come out with a pach, I'll get it again > for chure. Trade it for iL2 which runs super smooth on my PC > > Marc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Messenger" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:19 PM > Subject: [simpits-tech] Combat Flight Simulator 3 > > > has anyone tried Combat Flight Simulator 3 yet? I want > > to know how good it is. > > Justin _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 09:02:56 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 03:02:56 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done References: Message-ID: <3DC78940.8EF@swbell.net> Brian Sikkema wrote: > > Er, you sure about that plan, Roy? > > "Happy Aniversary, hon! Guess what I did!" I may not be married (side note: > naner naner naner :P), but I can see a number of ways that might not work... > Oh well, guess you know her better than I do! Good luck! Never underestimate the power of a wife to utterly amaze you. Last week, before the Gulf of Mexico once again deposited itself in my front yard, I was riding the bike home and she was following me in the car. When we got here she said I needed to put a new exhaust on since mine is too quiet and it doesn't sound enough like a Harley. No, I didn't imagine it and no, she wasn't drunk at the time ;) -- Steve mysticz28@swbell.net Jesus saves, Budda enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 09:19:19 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 03:19:19 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: <3DC78940.8EF@swbell.net> Message-ID: <001e01c284ac$6e7d1e10$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Yeah, that's good and all, but wait for the kicker to arrive AFTER you have the new exhaust. SWMBO is just greasing the wheels for the inevitable "Honey, since you got the new exhaust for the car, can I get ....$$$$" Been down this road too many times. Unfortunately, I haven't learned a damn thing each time as I fall into the trap over and over again. Jay "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of mysticz28@swbell.net Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:03 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done Brian Sikkema wrote: > > Er, you sure about that plan, Roy? > > "Happy Aniversary, hon! Guess what I did!" I may not be married (side note: > naner naner naner :P), but I can see a number of ways that might not work... > Oh well, guess you know her better than I do! Good luck! Never underestimate the power of a wife to utterly amaze you. Last week, before the Gulf of Mexico once again deposited itself in my front yard, I was riding the bike home and she was following me in the car. When we got here she said I needed to put a new exhaust on since mine is too quiet and it doesn't sound enough like a Harley. No, I didn't imagine it and no, she wasn't drunk at the time ;) -- Steve mysticz28@swbell.net Jesus saves, Budda enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 09:33:09 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (JRM) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:33:09 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT References: <000b01c28441$b3793140$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: Thanks Erwin. J.R.M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Neyt" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:37 PM > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > > FYI. > > > > I just started to port F4 Glass to DirectX, hoping to improve the > > performance. This will take me a few months. > > > > F4 Data Mirror will be enhanced with 'virtual keyboard' support so any > PC > > running F4DM will have it's keyboard available for F4 input. Might be > > helpfull in the future (_when_ we can run MFD's) so we can have the > OSB > keys > > mapped to the PC where the MFD is running. Another use I can think of > is > > having keyboard emulation equipment (KE, EPIC) in a PC *not* running > Falcon. > > No ETA on this one ;) > > > > Erwin. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michi Hirczy [mailto:mi.hi@gmx.net] > > > Sent: maandag 4 november 2002 15:36 > > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT > > > > > > > > > Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > > Show us pictures; give more detail to us poor programming > > > illiterate > > > > souls. > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > Hey Jay.. no need for programming. > > > download the tools from Erwin's site (www.eagle9.nl) and install the > > > F4DM-Server on the machine you're running Falcon, and F4DM-client > and > > > F4Glass on the "Instrument" machine. > > > You can place the instruments of F4Glass anywhere you like at > > > the desktop. > > > > > > greetings > > > michi > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-tech > > > To > > > unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the > > > bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 11:33:50 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:33:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105190320.035eb9e0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Sean Galbraith wrote: > At 04:27 PM 11/4/02 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Caution to the the wind... > > > >The Sea Hawk deal is done - and it'll be delivered in a couple of weeks. > > > >God help me... especially once the wife see's it! > > Congratu-bloody-lations! > heh.. more than welcome, Sean. Bring overalls ;) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 11:35:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:35:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: <001e01c284ac$6e7d1e10$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Yeah, that's good and all, but wait for the kicker to arrive AFTER you > have the new exhaust. SWMBO is just greasing the wheels for the > inevitable "Honey, since you got the new exhaust for the car, can I get > ....$$$$" Been down this road too many times. Unfortunately, I haven't > learned a damn thing each time as I fall into the trap over and over > again. > LOL! Yeah, I broke the news about the pit last night, and later found her glued to the TV watching some QVC style jewellery show :/ Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 11:34:43 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:34:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: <3DC78940.8EF@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 mysticz28@swbell.net wrote: > Never underestimate the power of a wife to utterly amaze you. Last week, > before the Gulf of Mexico once again deposited itself in my front yard, > I was riding the bike home and she was following me in the car. When we > got here she said I needed to put a new exhaust on since mine is too > quiet and it doesn't sound enough like a Harley. > > No, I didn't imagine it and no, she wasn't drunk at the time ;) And her sisters phone number is .... ? Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 13:00:49 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:00:49 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure Message-ID: <000c01c284cb$5e035760$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C284D3.BEE06CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all ! When I start Falcon 4 SP3 it reports "fail to load weaponlist" System: Dual 1200Mhz Matrox Marvel 450eTV 512 MB RAM XP with all updates ! HELP Frank ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C284D3.BEE06CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all !
When I start Falcon 4 SP3 = it reports=20 "fail to load weaponlist"
 
System:
Dual 1200Mhz
Matrox Marvel 450eTV
512 MB RAM
 
XP with all updates !
 
HELP
Frank
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C284D3.BEE06CA0-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 13:12:51 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:12:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure In-Reply-To: <000c01c284cb$5e035760$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > Hi all ! > When I start Falcon 4 SP3 it reports "fail to load weaponlist" > That'll be the pacifist version :) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 13:22:20 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:22:20 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure References: Message-ID: <000701c284ce$5e9afc20$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> And that means ???? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > Hi all ! > > When I start Falcon 4 SP3 it reports "fail to load weaponlist" > > > > That'll be the pacifist version :) > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 13:34:38 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure In-Reply-To: <000701c284ce$5e9afc20$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > And that means ???? Oh come on, its not THAT early! Think about it ;) > > > When I start Falcon 4 SP3 it reports "fail to load weaponlist" > > That'll be the pacifist version :) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 13:50:39 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:50:39 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure References: Message-ID: <001d01c284d2$53726640$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> OKAY.... i'm not with you here :-) But here is the complet error meassage: Failed to load weapon list Error: 173 H:\F4SP2MainBranch\Falcon\Falclib\Entity.cpp Apr 22 2002 I have not installed the SP2.... do i have to do that beforer install SP3 ??? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > And that means ???? > > Oh come on, its not THAT early! Think about it ;) > > > > > > When I start Falcon 4 SP3 it reports "fail to load weaponlist" > > > > That'll be the pacifist version :) > > > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 14:01:53 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Ido Dekkers) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:01:53 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure In-Reply-To: <001d01c284d2$53726640$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: you don't , actually if i remember correctly the tell you to remove all the previous installs of falcon including the basic before you installing SP3. you have detailed instructions in the manual on how to save your old settings and campaigns. Ido "Frank Riedel" Sent by: cc simpits-te ch-admin@s Subject impits.org Re: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure 11/05/2002 03:50 PM Please respond to simpits-te ch@simpits .org OKAY.... i'm not with you here :-) But here is the complet error meassage: Failed to load weapon list Error: 173 H:\F4SP2MainBranch\Falcon\Falclib\Entity.cpp Apr 22 2002 I have not installed the SP2.... do i have to do that beforer install SP3 ??? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > And that means ???? > > Oh come on, its not THAT early! Think about it ;) > > > > > > When I start Falcon 4 SP3 it reports "fail to load weaponlist" > > > > That'll be the pacifist version :) > > > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 14:50:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:50:15 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure References: Message-ID: <001501c284da$a6a84de0$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Thanks.... but it's a all new install.... but i'll try it all over again.... Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ido Dekkers" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > > you don't , actually if i remember correctly the tell you to remove all the > previous installs of falcon including the basic before you installing SP3. > you have detailed instructions in the manual on how to save your old > settings and campaigns. > Ido > > > > "Frank > Riedel" > ultat.dk> > Sent by: cc > simpits-te > ch-admin@s Subject > impits.org Re: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > > > 11/05/2002 > 03:50 PM > > > Please > respond to > simpits-te > ch@simpits > .org > > > > > > > OKAY.... i'm not with you here :-) > But here is the complet error meassage: > > Failed to load weapon list > Error: 173 H:\F4SP2MainBranch\Falcon\Falclib\Entity.cpp Apr 22 2002 > > I have not installed the SP2.... do i have to do that beforer install SP3 > ??? > > Frank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Coates" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > And that means ???? > > > > Oh come on, its not THAT early! Think about it ;) > > > > > > > > > When I start Falcon 4 SP3 it reports "fail to load weaponlist" > > > > > > That'll be the pacifist version :) > > > > > > > > Roy. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 15:57:22 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:57:22 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c284e4$0a1cba60$1401a8c0@theiceberg> LOL! J "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:13 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > Hi all ! > When I start Falcon 4 SP3 it reports "fail to load weaponlist" > That'll be the pacifist version :) Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 16:22:49 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:22:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure In-Reply-To: <002b01c284e4$0a1cba60$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Joseph Fagner wrote: > LOL! > I'm so glad SOMEONE got it!! ;) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 16:48:35 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:48:35 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure References: Message-ID: <000b01c284eb$2eec3c10$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> okay, you guys ;-) - i solve the prob. my self.... !!!! Fly Well Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > LOL! > > > > I'm so glad SOMEONE got it!! ;) > > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 16:48:36 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Robert Favre) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:48:36 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c284eb$2fc07c00$be00a8c0@DC3RTT11> Did you load the 1.08 update? -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:23 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Joseph Fagner wrote: > LOL! > I'm so glad SOMEONE got it!! ;) Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 17:17:28 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:17:28 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done References: <001e01c284ac$6e7d1e10$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <3DC7FD28.142C@swbell.net> Joseph Fagner wrote: > > Yeah, that's good and all, but wait for the kicker to arrive AFTER you > have the new exhaust. SWMBO is just greasing the wheels for the > inevitable "Honey, since you got the new exhaust for the car, can I get > ....$$$$" Been down this road too many times. Unfortunately, I haven't > learned a damn thing each time as I fall into the trap over and over > again. Fortunately for me, in this case, it's not much of an issue. The company that shipped my bike down here from Montana for me strapped her down to the pallet too tight and crushed the muffler, then dropped her and dented the clutch cover and bent the shifter lever. They're paying for the new exhaust, not me. But I will pick her up another g-string at the Harley dealer while I'm fetching parts ;) -- Steve mysticz28@swbell.net Jesus saves, Budda enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 17:18:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:18:15 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done References: Message-ID: <3DC7FD57.66E9@swbell.net> Roy Coates wrote: > > And her sisters phone number is .... ? I don't know, actually. Both wife and sister are pretty hot, though ;) Unfortunately sister is single with child and baggage... -- Steve mysticz28@swbell.net Jesus saves, Budda enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich. 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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-2070329421-1036516691=:96483-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 17:27:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:27:41 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure References: <000401c284eb$2fc07c00$be00a8c0@DC3RTT11> Message-ID: <000d01c284f0$a5894750$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> YES... then it'll work ! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Favre" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > Did you load the 1.08 update? > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:23 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > LOL! > > > > I'm so glad SOMEONE got it!! ;) > > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 17:34:18 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:34:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] The Deal is Done In-Reply-To: <3DC7FD57.66E9@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 mysticz28@swbell.net wrote: > Roy Coates wrote: > > > > And her sisters phone number is .... ? > > I don't know, actually. Both wife and sister are pretty hot, though ;) > Unfortunately sister is single with child and baggage... Ah... I'm out that day - when is it again? ;) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 17:36:22 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:36:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] FS motion base In-Reply-To: <20021105171811.849.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Justin Messenger wrote: > http://www.flightsimulator.ch/Products/Hardware/Motion_Control/motion_control.html > The motion devices on our sim ain't hydraulic but electric. Its quiet, probably cheaper - and sure helps with the weight since the numpty dicks here put it on the 13th floor! Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 18:34:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (LISA MALCOM) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:34:00 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] L1011 sim for sale Message-ID: <4b13f4a574.4a5744b13f@icomcast.net> Hi all, I got a complete L1011 cocpit procedures trainer for sale includes computer+power supply cabinet, all schematics and operation books. Was used by eastern airlines and ATA. Does not in include displays and is not a motion sim. It is a complete actual working exact replica of a L1011 so it is large. 13.6' wide 10.6' deep 8'tall. E-mail me if serious foe pics and more detailed info. Rob From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 18:59:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] EPIC Message-ID: <20021105185922.96898.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> What is the current URL to R&R ? Justin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 19:25:13 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (F16) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:25:13 +0100 Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] EPIC Message-ID: <01C28509.78C87C40.f16@xflight.de> I think, the current address is http://www.mindspring.com/~rrelect/ Martin "Pegasus" From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 19:56:52 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:56:52 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] new site update In-Reply-To: <1524606473.20021104194849@gmx.net> Message-ID: col seat . Michi > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Michi Hirczy > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:49 PM > To: Roy Coates > Subject: [simpits-tech] new site update > > > I have uploaded new pics of the ejection seat, also the english > version of the AFB-visit report is available now. > > have a look at > www.f16simulator.net > > greetings > michi > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 20:54:53 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:54:53 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c2850d$9a649fb0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> I thought it pretty damn funny. J "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:23 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Falcon SP3 failure On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Joseph Fagner wrote: > LOL! > I'm so glad SOMEONE got it!! ;) Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 5 22:33:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:33:41 -0500 Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] EPIC References: <01C28509.78C87C40.f16@xflight.de> Message-ID: <3DC84745.CCA51159@rtccom.net> Flightlink also has an EPIC section. http://flightlink.com/ click on RR Electronics. -Matt Bailey F16 wrote: > > I think, the current address is http://www.mindspring.com/~rrelect/ > > Martin "Pegasus" From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 12:33:28 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's Message-ID: Over the last year or so many people have asked me about where I work - so I wandered around for 20 mins with a digital camera and took a few photo's of some of the more interesting aero things we've got lying around. There's more stuff I'll add later like the pair of 12' rudder sections but this will do for now. http://www.x-plane.info/work/ enjoy. Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 12:44:23 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6ltschi_Thomas?=) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:44:23 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's Message-ID: Roy, Nice place to work! Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Roy Coates [mailto:roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk] Sent: Mittwoch, 6. November 2002 13:33 To: simpits-tech@simpits.org; xplane-tech@yahoogroups.com; Digital Flight Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's Over the last year or so many people have asked me about where I work - so I wandered around for 20 mins with a digital camera and took a few photo's of some of the more interesting aero things we've got lying around. There's more stuff I'll add later like the pair of 12' rudder sections but this will do for now. http://www.x-plane.info/work/ enjoy. Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 12:57:59 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:57:59 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005201c28594$220bd510$0100a8c0@main> Yeah...looks pretty close to work heaven. :) Thanks, Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Höltschi Thomas Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:44 AM To: 'simpits-tech@simpits.org' Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Photo's Roy, Nice place to work! Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Roy Coates [mailto:roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk] Sent: Mittwoch, 6. November 2002 13:33 To: simpits-tech@simpits.org; xplane-tech@yahoogroups.com; Digital Flight Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's Over the last year or so many people have asked me about where I work - so I wandered around for 20 mins with a digital camera and took a few photo's of some of the more interesting aero things we've got lying around. There's more stuff I'll add later like the pair of 12' rudder sections but this will do for now. http://www.x-plane.info/work/ enjoy. Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 13:13:30 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Albert Yung) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:13:30 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's References: Message-ID: <001d01c28596$65c17100$9e84adcb@window2000> Awesome. gives me another reason to visit the UK :) Al Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: ; ; "Digital Flight" Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's > > > Over the last year or so many people have asked me about where I work - so > I wandered around for 20 mins with a digital camera and took a few photo's > of some of the more interesting aero things we've got lying around. > > There's more stuff I'll add later like the pair of 12' rudder sections but > this will do for now. > > http://www.x-plane.info/work/ > > enjoy. > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 13:20:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:20:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] Höltschi Thomas wrote: > Roy, > > Nice place to work! > _sometimes_ Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 13:46:06 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:46:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Those nice chaps at the Fleet Air Arm Museum have just sent me copies of the log cards for my Sea Hawk :) Nice to have a bit of history. what is amusing, its single nene engine kicked out a little over 5,000 lbs of thrust. Compare that to an F15's two engines dishing out 26,000 lbs EACH! heh! Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 20:58:28 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (John P. Miguez) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:58:28 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Work Pictures Message-ID: <5.2.0.4.0.20021106145714.00abe2b8@mail.bellsouth.net> What a wonderful tour. Thanks! I found the pictures and descriptions to be interesting and educational. John From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 21:12:42 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:12:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Work Pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.4.0.20021106145714.00abe2b8@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, John P. Miguez wrote: > What a wonderful tour. Thanks! I found the pictures and descriptions to > be interesting and educational. > Heh.. so THIS is how we get more students... ;> Muahahaaaa..... Interestingly, I have now been 'ordered' by the Dean of the Faculty to find him an airplane for display in the very pretty quadrangle area within the engineering complex :) Sigh.. its a hard life! Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 21:23:38 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (SysAdmin) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:23:38 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Measurements References: <5.2.0.4.0.20021106145714.00abe2b8@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <004701c285da$c5f41e30$c100a8c0@viper> I am new to this list and would like to introduce my self. My name is Leroy Baynum I live in Va Beach, VA, USA. I am in the process of building a 747-400 cockpit and will be setting up a site to document this shortly. I have question for the group. I have read and searched just about every site I can find about the 747-400 but I am still coming up short on measurements, I have tons of pics and have even blown pics up to what I believe is life size and printed them out for monuments but I am still not convinced there life size. does anyone have MIP and center consol and over head measurements for the 747-400. I am looking for anything you can provide but mostly the width and height of things like the MIP that would be a great starting point and I do plan on putting all my systems in a real cockpit so measurements need to be exact if not very very close. Thanks Thanks In Advance Leroy Baynum From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 6 21:47:44 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:47:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did you find out why the airframe was struck? g. On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Roy Coates wrote: > > > Those nice chaps at the Fleet Air Arm Museum have just sent me copies of > the log cards for my Sea Hawk :) > > Nice to have a bit of history. > > what is amusing, its single nene engine kicked out a little over 5,000 lbs > of thrust. Compare that to an F15's two engines dishing out 26,000 lbs > EACH! > > heh! > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 01:05:25 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:05:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Measurements Message-ID: <20021107010525.53689.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> --0-491858050-1036631125=:53496 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Leroy, I know this is isn't exactly what you asked for, but these might be of some help. http://www.747cockpit.com/drawings.htm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-491858050-1036631125=:53496 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Leroy,

I know this is isn't exactly what you asked for, but these might be of some help.

http://www.747cockpit.com/drawings.htm

 


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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-491858050-1036631125=:53496-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 01:47:19 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (SysAdmin) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:47:19 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Measurements References: <20021107010525.53689.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c285ff$9c5cb030$c100a8c0@viper> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C285D5.B2B0BA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Justin, Those are the exact drawings that I printed out. I just am not sure what = is actual size the pics appear to be 1/2 size but I cant be sure.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Justin Messenger=20 To: Simpits-tech@simpits.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Measurements=20 Leroy, I know this is isn't exactly what you asked for, but these might be of = some help. http://www.747cockpit.com/drawings.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C285D5.B2B0BA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Justin,
 
 
Those are the exact drawings that I = printed out. I=20 just am not sure what is actual size <g>  the pics appear to = be 1/2=20 size but I cant be sure.
 
 
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Subject: [simpits-tech] = Measurements=20

Leroy,

I know this is isn't exactly what you asked for, but these might be = of some=20 help.

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U= 2 on=20 LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits=20 CD ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C285D5.B2B0BA90-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 01:50:46 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (SysAdmin) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:50:46 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Measurements References: <20021107010525.53689.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c28600$17a70920$c100a8c0@viper> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C285D6.2E353650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable opps, I mean I printed these ones.. =20 http://www.747cockpit.com/744_Drawings.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Justin Messenger=20 To: Simpits-tech@simpits.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Measurements=20 Leroy, I know this is isn't exactly what you asked for, but these might be of = some help. http://www.747cockpit.com/drawings.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C285D6.2E353650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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U= 2 on=20 LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits=20 CD ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C285D6.2E353650-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 05:38:43 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Andreas Fransson) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:38:43 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Photo's References: Message-ID: <007301c2861f$f017b970$0a00a8c0@Valhalla> Thanks for the tour, mate! /Andreas From: "Roy Coates" > Over the last year or so many people have asked me about where I work - so > I wandered around for 20 mins with a digital camera and took a few photo's > of some of the more interesting aero things we've got lying around. > > There's more stuff I'll add later like the pair of 12' rudder sections but > this will do for now. > > http://www.x-plane.info/work/ > > enjoy. > > Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 07:35:01 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:35:01 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Work Pictures References: Message-ID: <002301c28630$2ef0f250$e1de08d0@betty> Roy I seem to remember you being asked to not use a Tornado a few weeks ago perhaps it is still available. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Work Pictures > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, John P. Miguez wrote: > > > What a wonderful tour. Thanks! I found the pictures and descriptions to > > be interesting and educational. > > > > Heh.. so THIS is how we get more students... ;> > > Muahahaaaa..... > > > Interestingly, I have now been 'ordered' by the Dean of the Faculty to > find him an airplane for display in the very pretty quadrangle area within > the engineering complex :) > > Sigh.. its a hard life! > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 07:58:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:58:37 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Measurements References: <5.2.0.4.0.20021106145714.00abe2b8@mail.bellsouth.net> <004701c285da$c5f41e30$c100a8c0@viper> Message-ID: <002401c28633$7d2954f0$e1de08d0@betty> Leroy: I believe that you may order the drawings from their author as he is a member of the group. You may have noticed by now that the 747 has many cockpit configurations depending upon the customer. Welcome to the nuttiest group on the net. Chances are that there are other list members in your neighborhood so don't be surprised when they stop by to see what you are working on. If any list members who happen to be in his part of the country introduce yourself to him now so that he knows who you are in advance. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "SysAdmin" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Measurements > I am new to this list and would like to introduce my self. My name is Leroy > Baynum I live in Va Beach, VA, USA. I am in the process of building a > 747-400 cockpit and will be setting up a site to document this shortly. > > I have question for the group. > I have read and searched just about every site I can find about the 747-400 > but I am still coming up short on measurements, I have tons of pics and have > even blown pics up to what I believe is life size and printed them out for > monuments but I am still not convinced there life size. does anyone have MIP > and center consol and over head measurements for the 747-400. I am looking > for anything you can provide but mostly the width and height of things like > the MIP that would be a great starting point and I do plan on putting all my > systems in a real cockpit so measurements need to be exact if not very very > close. Thanks > > Thanks In Advance > Leroy Baynum > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 10:02:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:02:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > Did you find out why the airframe was struck? > Age. Te Sea Hawk was designed for 4 years service - and thats all they did ! 212 flying hours. Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 10:09:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:09:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Work Pictures In-Reply-To: <002301c28630$2ef0f250$e1de08d0@betty> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Rob Hommel wrote: > Roy > > I seem to remember you being asked to not use a Tornado a few weeks ago > perhaps it is still available. > I've found a guy with the complete guts of a tornado cockpit but no tornado. I'm introducing them at the moment - should be nice when he's done. Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 15:07:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Did you find out why the airframe was struck? > > > > Age. Te Sea Hawk was designed for 4 years service - and thats all they > did ! > > 212 flying hours. > Is it just me or is designing a fighter with a planned 4 year service life the most preposterous thing you've ever heard of? g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 15:31:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:31:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > Did you find out why the airframe was struck? > > > > > > > Age. Te Sea Hawk was designed for 4 years service - and thats all they > > did ! > > > > 212 flying hours. > > > > Is it just me or is designing a fighter with a planned 4 year service life > the most preposterous thing you've ever heard of? > Its tax-payers money... nuff said :/ Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 19:53:25 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Darren Beaumont) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:53:25 -0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gene, A lot of aircraft were built purely as an interim solution, while the designers/engineers got on with producing aircraft that would do what the RAF, RN etc wanted it to. A very big problem then, was the early jet fighters just didn't have the performance to be able to shoot down any potential high level threat, hence the need to keep refreshing the front line squadrons with new technology. Funnily enough, the Canberra, the RAF's medium level bomber, was the only a/c in the UK that did have the required perfomance, hence the Canberra was often used as a Russian a/c in exercises. Some aircraft types only saw operational service on the frontline for a year or two before being replaced with something new. One such a/c type, the Swift F2 was used in the fighter role, as an interceptor, for 13 months (a total of 1,086 sorties = 781.23 hours) before being withdrawn from service and being replaced by the Hunter F5. Thats 781 hours across the entire fleet of 12 a/c and only 34 pilots flew the Swift F2 operationally during its role as a fighter. Supermarine, who produced the Swift, did try and develop the airframe further, but never really succeeded in developing the Swift into an acceptable fighter. There is an excellent book - Jet Jockeys by Peter Caygill - all about the first RAF jet fighters. The book highlights the problems with operating aircraft that were effectively experimental and that many a/c at the time had serious shortcomings. Unfortunately this led to a horrific loss rate of both pilots and airframes for the RAF. You must wonder why they took such large risks and spent so much money, until you realise how serious the threat from the East was. Darren -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: 07 November 2002 15:08 To: 'simpits-tech@simpits.org' Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk > > Did you find out why the airframe was struck? > > > > Age. Te Sea Hawk was designed for 4 years service - and thats all they > did ! > > 212 flying hours. > Is it just me or is designing a fighter with a planned 4 year service life the most preposterous thing you've ever heard of? g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 7 20:51:28 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:51:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] *URGENT* Any simpit folks in Colorado? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If so, please contact me ASAP !! Please E-mail directly and NOT to the list. Thanks, Roy. roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 09:37:20 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (JRM) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:37:20 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] F15-scale cockpit Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C28712.D0E20670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !!! For sale F-15 cockpit for $139,99 !!! =20 http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=3DBB34300 Scale of cours ;-)))=20 JRM ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C28712.D0E20670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-125615907-1036767088=:36681-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 15:16:06 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:16:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Darren Beaumont wrote: > There is an excellent book - Jet Jockeys by Peter Caygill Is the Sea Hawk in there, Darren ? Info on Sea Hawks is a bit like hens teeth :/ Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 16:21:53 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:21:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] WANTED: Phantom Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any of you guys in the USA able to get F4 parts? I've got an RAF guy here with a complete phantom, only part missing is the "Radar Hand Controller" from the back seat. Apparently this is a retractable panel of some sort. This is a top bloke - I'd like to be able to help him. Thanks, Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 16:40:57 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:40:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk Message-ID: <3572245.1036773657231.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Roy, Unfortunately not, as the book is about jets that were in RAF service. The types covered in the book are the Meteor, Vampire, Venom, Swift, F86, Hunter, Javelin. I might have missed one or two, but I'll check when I get home. If you think stuff on the Sea Hawk is rare, try the Fairey Barracuda. A friend and I 'found' - we literally walked into them - the remains of 9 such aircraft about 11 years ago. Due to various circumstances, primarily the location of the aircraft, mean they cannot be recovered - the land is designated as SSI - Site of Scientific Interest, so the land cannot be disturbed unless there is a very good reason. Unfortunately the remains above ground are very badly corroded - ie worthless, but there is a good chance that there are better bits underground. There is a small section of wing, c/w control rods, fuel and hydraulic lines in good condition. The downside is a big part of it is buried, hence we cannot recover it. The Fleet Air Arm museum was very interested at the begining, they had been looking for these remains for well over 10 years before hand. Unfortunately the location and cost of trying to recover these parts was un-economic, even though there isn't a complete example anywhere in the world. Even they gave up the restoration of the one they have due to lack of parts/cost. In fact all they had on display was a partly restored cockpit section. When I get home tonight I'll get some pictures of the remains uploaded. Darren > from: Roy Coates > date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:16:06 > to: simpits-tech@simpits.org > subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Darren Beaumont wrote: > > > There is an excellent book - Jet Jockeys by Peter Caygill > > Is the Sea Hawk in there, Darren ? > > Info on Sea Hawks is a bit like hens teeth :/ > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 17:03:07 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk In-Reply-To: <3572245.1036773657231.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 darren.beaumont@btinternet.com wrote: > Roy, > > Unfortunately not, as the book is about jets that were in RAF service. > The types covered in the book are the Meteor, Vampire, Venom, Swift, > F86, Hunter, Javelin. I might have missed one or two, but I'll check > when I get home. I did kick myself - RAF info won't be of much use! > If you think stuff on the Sea Hawk is rare, try the Fairey Barracuda. A > friend and I 'found' - we literally walked into them - the remains of 9 > such aircraft about 11 years ago. Due to various circumstances, > primarily the location of the aircraft, mean they cannot be recovered - > the land is designated as SSI - Site of Scientific Interest, so the land > cannot be disturbed unless there is a very good reason. So much Brit stuff is now gone forever, and there's little chance what we have will be preserved :( > The Fleet Air Arm museum was very interested at the begining, they had > been looking for these remains for well over 10 years before hand. > Unfortunately the location and cost of trying to recover these parts was > un-economic, even though there isn't a complete example anywhere in the > world. Even they gave up the restoration of the one they have due to > lack of parts/cost. In fact all they had on display was a partly > restored cockpit section. They're great guys but seem to be understaffed and underfunded. > When I get home tonight I'll get some pictures of the remains uploaded. Nice one - and don't forget, Sunday 7pm Discovery Wings. Plane Clothed Detectives Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 17:29:01 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:29:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] F15-scale cockpit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep. Got one. :) g. On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, JRM wrote: > !!! For sale F-15 cockpit for $139,99 !!! > > http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BB34300 > > > Scale of cours ;-))) > > JRM From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 17:31:18 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:31:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] F15-scale cockpit In-Reply-To: <000201c2870f$a063a7e0$4601a8c0@olympus> Message-ID: > Here we go again…….. *slowly reaches over and puts a straight jacket on > Gene* > Humph. :) g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 17:57:51 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:57:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-4 gun sight Schematic In-Reply-To: <20021108145128.37036.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cool! It looks like I've got one of those antenna control joysticks in my collection. Neat. :) g. On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Justin Messenger wrote: > > here you go! > > http://www.geocities.com/cap17.geo/weaponsys.html > > Justin > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 18:01:46 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:01:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] WANTED: Phantom Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ummm. Is it a joystick like thing? Do you have a picture of it? g. On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Roy Coates wrote: > > > Any of you guys in the USA able to get F4 parts? > > I've got an RAF guy here with a complete phantom, only part missing is the > "Radar Hand Controller" from the back seat. Apparently this is a > retractable panel of some sort. > > This is a top bloke - I'd like to be able to help him. > > Thanks, > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 18:21:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:21:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] WANTED: Phantom Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > Ummm. Is it a joystick like thing? Do you have a picture of it? > Probably, from his description on the phone. Apparently the proper name for it is a "radar hand controller" You HAVE one?? Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 18:31:38 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:31:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] WANTED: Phantom Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > Ummm. Is it a joystick like thing? Do you have a picture of it? > > > > Probably, from his description on the phone. > > Apparently the proper name for it is a "radar hand controller" > > You HAVE one?? > I *might* have one. I need to see a picture of what he's looking for though. g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 18:41:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:41:31 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] photo group at yahoo Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B43D@exchange.clearsky.dk> Hi Gang Just found these groups and they are carrying aricraft photos - but mostly exterior (have only seen very few cockpits) heavy photo traffic: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACWalk and this with some photo traffic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/modernjets/ From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 19:52:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (fitchett) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:52:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Phidgets on the Bench In-Reply-To: <001401c27ccd$92354620$75634fcb@olympus> Message-ID: Hi guys, This is a quick update for what I have going right now. Well, what applies to simpits, anyway. I'm doing a small production run. The 256-input PhidgetInterfaceKit is going into production. The 0/16/16 PhidgetInterfaceKit, opto-isolated, is going into production. This is a smaller, cheaper version of the 0/32/32. If any of you know of cheap NPN transistor arrays, must be able to be socketted, and it would be nice if they had clamping diodes integrated, let me know. (please!). PhidgetLED, driving an 8-digit 7-seg display, 0.41" digits, is going into production. These are the modules being used by Chris Brace. PhidgetLED, driving 64 discrete LEDs, or a 8-digit 7-seg display of your choice. (Must be Common Anode). A 8*2 0.100" header is provided to interface your display. 64 hole pairs for the discrete LEDs are also provided on the board. PhidgetStepper, 2 Bipolar or Unipolar motors, up to 30V, 2 Amps/coil. This will provide half-stepping by default. The algorithms can be improved at a later date, if people want it. random thoughts - I'm playing with a prototype device that outputs an Analog voltage, at up to 250mA. At it's core is just a massive Audio op-amp, that produces some voltage between V+ and V-. You provide V+ directly, up to 30V, and an onboard voltage regulator produces whatever V- you want. There are a few conditions, the voltage difference between V+ and V- must be at least 20V. The device will then produce whatever Analog voltage you want between (V+ - 2) and (V- + 2). The production version will likely have four of these outputs. Cost is expected to be about $80 to $100 US. Resolution should be 16 bits across the 60V range. A few potential optimizations come to mind. My commercial designs sometimes use a cheap DSP coupled to the USB microcontroller. Since all the firmware is downloaded at run-time, I can easily add algorithms to the devices. For example, need 26VAC at 400Hz? Want to control a synchro with 3 of the outputs? What about an air-core motor? Another device which I think could benefit from more processing power is a 4-motor version of PhidgetStepper. Using PWM on the coils of a stepper motor allows microstepping. Sigh. Does anyone know where you can buy more hours in the day? Chester From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 20:11:27 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (dphens) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:11:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 747 pedestal on ebay Message-ID: <13964858.1036786287234.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Saw this posted on a forum and thought I would pass it along. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871714261 Dave From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 9 00:53:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Darren Beaumont) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:53:14 -0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Some pictures uploaded Message-ID: All, If anyone is interested I have uploaded some pictures to the Simpits FTP server......... There are a handful of a S76A cockpit - taken approx 10 years ago - uploaded in the Civillian Helicopter folder. There are still a few more to be uploaded. I've also found some drawings, along with dimensions I made of the panels for the S76A about 10 years ago. I'll see if they will scan as they are pretty faint after all these years. I've also uploaded some pictures that show the remains of 9 Fairey Barracudas, that I found approx 11 years ago. The Barracuda was a carrier based a/c in WWII and no complete example exists anywhere in the world. Look under the 'Other - General Subject Folder. Finally I've uploaded a few pictures of the throttle quadrant from my Embraer Bandierante. These were taken in August when I removed, stripped, cleaned and rebuilt the quadrant. I apologise for the very poor quality of some of the Barracuda and S76 pictures. They were all taken many years ago with a crap/cheap 35mm camera and I knew nothing about photography back then - I still don't. Darren From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 8 15:57:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Phillips) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:57:37 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] EPIC System for Sale Message-ID: Hello all, I'm sorry to say economics comes before hobbies. I will be selling my EPIC system as listed below. My system represents over $800 in equipment that I purchased new. Everything is in good shape, and only used briefly (for testing purposes). Send me an email with an offer if you are interested. scp98@ev1.net EPIC USB (W/ Metal enclosure box) EPIC Card REV D Expansion Module 32 Point Output Module 32 Digit Display Contoller Thanks Sean Phillips From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 9 06:59:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Darren Barney) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:59:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] WANTED: Phantom Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021109065904.92193.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Roy Coates wrote: > > > Any of you guys in the USA able to get F4 parts? > > I've got an RAF guy here with a complete phantom, > only part missing is the > "Radar Hand Controller" from the back seat. > Apparently this is a > retractable panel of some sort. > > This is a top bloke - I'd like to be able to help > him. > > Thanks, > > Roy. > > You could try Roger Johnson of Magnum Areo he's located in Oaklahoma i know he has some F-4 stuff Darren. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the > bottom of the above page. Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 9 14:20:50 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:20:50 EST Subject: [simpits-tech] WANTED: Phantom Parts Message-ID: <166.16b389c2.2afe73c2@aol.com> --part1_166.16b389c2.2afe73c2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy, I have a spare one that I use in my F-4D sim. There are a lot of different types radar control grips for the F-4. This one might just fill the hole. I'll donate it to the cause if you'll send me some pictures of the restoration project. Steve www.707sim.com --part1_166.16b389c2.2afe73c2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy,

I have a spare one that I use in my F-4D sim. There are a lot of different types radar control grips for the F-4. This one might just fill the hole.

I'll donate it to the cause if you'll send me some pictures of the restoration project.

Steve

www.707sim.com --part1_166.16b389c2.2afe73c2_boundary-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 07:14:33 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Clarence S. Durham) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:14:33 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: Special SS Toggle Switch Guards (not listed) Message-ID: Kory Simmons [ksimmo@migration.com] 11-08-02 Clarence- Are you still selling the F-16 switch guards? Regards, Kory I received this e-mail from Kory Simmons 11-08-02, I have answered this inquiry only to receive the following message. The original message was received at Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:57:26 -0800 (PST) from ip-64-38-163-217.dialup.seanet.com [64.38.163.217] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 5.2.1 ... Mailbox disabled for this recipient) If any simpits member has any information on Kory please e-mail the information I appreciate any help. Thank You, Clarence cdurham@seanet.com Clarence S. Durham 201 29th Street Hoquiam, WA 98550 USA 360-533-3319 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 9 22:10:35 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian West.) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:10:35 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk. Message-ID: <000801c2883c$d569ef20$4692a3d4@o7w1d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C28845.36095F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roy, The Sea Hawk and the Hunter were both from the same designer, = Sydney Camm. It looks as if they share many similar features and = presumably were built alongside each other. There are loads of Hunters and parts around,very likely the = instumentation and electrics etc are common to both. Might be worth a = look. Best regards, Brian West. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C28845.36095F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roy,
       = The Sea=20 Hawk and the Hunter were both from the same designer, Sydney Camm. It = looks as=20 if they share many similar features and presumably were built alongside = each=20 other.
There are loads of Hunters and parts = around,very=20 likely the instumentation and electrics etc are common to both. Might be = worth a=20 look.      Best regards,  Brian=20 West.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C28845.36095F20-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 9 22:14:20 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:14:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. Message-ID: <20021109221420.54970.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> This was posted on ARC Tuesday. Maybe they can let the Holloman F-4Fs pick off a few QF-16s as "Revenge of the Phantoms." AND FINALLY! The REAL truth about F-16s... Tue Oct 22 22:28:27 2002 24.214.247.187 WARNING: The following contains the unbiased opinion of the driver of a much better fighter... >From a recent AW&ST mag: Apparently the impending shortage of aerial targets for use in missile and fighter systems testing is becoming critical enough for the USAF to request proposals from some of the leading aerospace defense contractors. Although the sub-scale program will likely continue with an all new target drone, the full-scale aerial target problem continues with the diminishing availability of suitable F-4 airframes for conversion to QF-4. The current leading solution is Lockheed's program to convert several hundred "Fighting Falcons" to QF-16 standard, allowing them to replace the QF-4 in the role of target for new/standardized missile testing at both the Weapons System Evaluation Program at Tyndall AFB, and other developmental tests at White Sands Missile Range, NM. Finally, a role for which the "mighty" Fighting Falcon is aptly suited: target. Or, as many already prefer to call the manned version: Eagle Training Aid. Hee hee... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 9 22:35:24 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:35:24 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. References: <20021109221420.54970.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DCD8DAC.CF967F0@rtccom.net> Awwww it's too bad for any plane to get trashed like that. :( But, I'd rather it be an F-16 than an F-4. :) -Matt Bailey Justin Messenger wrote: > > This was posted on ARC Tuesday. Maybe they can let the > Holloman F-4Fs pick off a few QF-16s as "Revenge of > the Phantoms." > > AND FINALLY! The REAL truth about F-16s... > Tue Oct 22 22:28:27 2002 > 24.214.247.187 > > WARNING: The following contains the unbiased opinion > of the driver of a much better fighter... > > >From a recent AW&ST mag: Apparently the impending > shortage of aerial targets for use in missile and > fighter systems testing is becoming critical enough > for the USAF to request proposals from some of the > leading aerospace defense contractors. Although the > sub-scale program will likely continue with an all new > target drone, the full-scale aerial target problem > continues with the diminishing availability of > suitable F-4 airframes for conversion to QF-4. The > current leading solution is Lockheed's program to > convert several hundred "Fighting Falcons" to QF-16 > standard, allowing them to replace the QF-4 in the > role of target for new/standardized missile testing at > both the Weapons System Evaluation Program at Tyndall > AFB, and other developmental tests at White Sands > Missile Range, NM. > > Finally, a role for which the "mighty" Fighting Falcon > is aptly suited: target. Or, as many already prefer to > call the manned version: Eagle Training Aid. > > Hee hee... From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 02:01:49 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:01:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. In-Reply-To: <20021109221420.54970.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Finally, a role for which the "mighty" Fighting Falcon > is aptly suited: target. Or, as many already prefer to > call the manned version: Eagle Training Aid. > See! I keep telling you guys...... :) g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 09:11:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:11:21 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. References: <20021109221420.54970.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCD8DAC.CF967F0@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <007d01c28899$235a9cf0$47de08d0@betty> Matt: As much as I loathe to agree with most everyone. It is a shame to see the F-16 go that route. While I am biased in favor of the F-15 of course, the F-16 is a very elegant machine. As a training target it is a poor use of the technologies and speaks poorly of the government to make use of the aircraft in this fashion. Then again a look around Davis Mothan will convince anyone the collective intelligence quotient of any political body is determined by the inverse square law. I fear we shall see the end of the F-15 in the near future as well as soon as the F-22 and JSF is brought into the fold. I remain unconvinced that either of those aircraft will be the equal of the F-15. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel Matt Bailey wrote: > Awwww it's too bad for any plane to get trashed like that. :( But, I'd > rather it be an F-16 than an F-4. :) > > -Matt Bailey > > Justin Messenger wrote: > > Finally, a role for which the "mighty" Fighting Falcon > > is aptly suited: target. Or, as many already prefer to > > call the manned version: Eagle Training Aid. > > > > Hee hee... > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 11/2/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 11:22:54 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jean-Yves SURFIN') Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:22:54 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... In-Reply-To: <007d01c28899$235a9cf0$47de08d0@betty> Message-ID: <000001c288ab$83ac2f80$65f0fea9@amdbixp1800> Hi, Does someone know how I could contact Philippe "Biohazard" Marchal (By mail or ICQ) ? I see he posted some cool pics on FTP. You could reply on the forum or private surfer.man@wanadoo.fr Thanks a lot for help.. Jean-Yves " Surfin' " Jouanny Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 13:56:23 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Wombat) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:56:23 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... Message-ID: <200211110056.AA184942806@bosnjak.com> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This mail message contains standard MIME attachments. If you see this note, your e-mail program does not support MIME. You may need a MIME- compliant mail reader to read any non-text attachments in this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --==IMail_v5.0== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Surfin, Long time no talk. That was me who uploaded the pics for "Biohazard". His work is of such high standard that I felt everyone should see it. I have asked him to join the group, but as yet he hasn't. We have been exhanging parts over the past three months and expect a complete set of nobs in two weeks. The nobs are not backlit but are made of black PU (Polyethern .. have ever you spell it). Spary painted grey with masking on the black bits. Liquid white paint is then sunk in the gully. Here is a few pic's for a tease ... ;-) Biohazard can be reached on philippe.marchal@belgacom.net Regards, Joe [wombat] Bosnjak email: joe@bosnjak.com website: http://www.f-16cockpit.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jean-Yves SURFIN'" Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:22:54 +0100 >Hi, > >Does someone know how I could contact Philippe "Biohazard" Marchal >(By mail or ICQ) ? > >I see he posted some cool pics on FTP. > >You could reply on the forum or private >surfer.man@wanadoo.fr > >Thanks a lot for help.. > >Jean-Yves " Surfin' " Jouanny > > > > > >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. 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You may need a MIME- compliant mail reader to read any non-text attachments in this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --==IMail_v5.0== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and another pic ... will send more detailed ones when I get delivery. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jean-Yves SURFIN'" Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:22:54 +0100 >Hi, > >Does someone know how I could contact Philippe "Biohazard" Marchal >(By mail or ICQ) ? > >I see he posted some cool pics on FTP. > >You could reply on the forum or private >surfer.man@wanadoo.fr > >Thanks a lot for help.. > >Jean-Yves " Surfin' " Jouanny > > > > > >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. 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j8HTicEZzo7fFjGOrmO8Y76HebNbfo5fCbNGO87hDbU3aDTwhDeGzCGn/9k= --==IMail_v5.0==-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 15:06:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Ken Schlote) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:06:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. In-Reply-To: <20021109221420.54970.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021110150605.86758.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1211791658-1036940765=:86291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's about time they gave the F15 drivers something harder to hit. And with the new missle technologies they need something with more speed and agility than an F4 to verify their usefulness. Ken (F16 pit builder) Justin Messenger wrote:This was posted on ARC Tuesday. Maybe they can let the Holloman F-4Fs pick off a few QF-16s as "Revenge of the Phantoms." AND FINALLY! The REAL truth about F-16s... Tue Oct 22 22:28:27 2002 24.214.247.187 WARNING: The following contains the unbiased opinion of the driver of a much better fighter... >From a recent AW&ST mag: Apparently the impending shortage of aerial targets for use in missile and fighter systems testing is becoming critical enough for the USAF to request proposals from some of the leading aerospace defense contractors. Although the sub-scale program will likely continue with an all new target drone, the full-scale aerial target problem continues with the diminishing availability of suitable F-4 airframes for conversion to QF-4. The current leading solution is Lockheed's program to convert several hundred "Fighting Falcons" to QF-16 standard, allowing them to replace the QF-4 in the role of target for new/standardized missile testing at both the Weapons System Evaluation Program at Tyndall AFB, and other developmental tests at White Sands Missile Range, NM. Finally, a role for which the "mighty" Fighting Falcon is aptly suited: target. Or, as many already prefer to call the manned version: Eagle Training Aid. Hee hee... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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It's about time they gave the F15 drivers something harder to hit. And with the new missle technologies they need something with more speed and agility than an F4 to verify their usefulness.

Ken (F16 pit builder)

 Justin Messenger <jjmessenger@yahoo.com> wrote:

This was posted on ARC Tuesday. Maybe they can let the
Holloman F-4Fs pick off a few QF-16s as "Revenge of
the Phantoms."

AND FINALLY! The REAL truth about F-16s...
Tue Oct 22 22:28:27 2002
24.214.247.187

WARNING: The following contains the unbiased opinion
of the driver of a much better fighter...

From a recent AW&ST mag: Apparently the impending
shortage of aerial targets for use in missile and
fighter systems testing is becoming critical enough
for the USAF to request proposals from some of the
leading aerospace defense contractors. Although the
sub-scale program will likely continue with an all new
target drone, the full-scale aerial target problem
continues with the diminishing availability of
suitable F-4 airframes for conversion to QF-4. The
current leading solution is Lockheed's program to
convert several hundred "Fighting Falcons" to QF-16
standard, allowing them to replace the QF-4 in the
role of target for new/standardized missile testing at
both the Weapons System Evaluation Program at Tyndall
AFB, and other developmental tests at White Sands
Missile Range, NM.

Finally, a role for which the "mighty" Fighting Falcon
is aptly suited: target. Or, as many already prefer to
call the manned version: Eagle Training Aid.

Hee hee...

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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1211791658-1036940765=:86291-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 15:26:13 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:26:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. Message-ID: <20021110152613.71315.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> What amazes me is is it normally takes three to Five missiles before the QF-4's get shot down. Aften times when they are hit they still manage to RTB and land. Those are some tough birds. FYI, a QF-4 can hold an 8g turn, thats not something to sneeze at. Justin ------------------------------------------------ It's about time they gave the F15 drivers something harder to hit. And with the new missle technologies they need something with more speed and agility than an F4 to verify their usefulness. Ken (F16 pit builder) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 16:49:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:49:03 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. References: <20021109221420.54970.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCD8DAC.CF967F0@rtccom.net> <007d01c28899$235a9cf0$47de08d0@betty> Message-ID: <3DCE8DFF.C4E6CDB8@rtccom.net> Oh I agree the F-16 is a fine plane, and frankly I am suprise that the military is wasting this thing on target practice. As much as I like the F-4, it is old and uses old tech so I can understand why they would be more inclined to trash it (even though other countries are reworking it into a viable modern fighting machine). Why can't they just design a purpose built target drone? It could be built very cheaply, and could easily turn with the F-16's and other fighters (or could be set up to significantly out turn it, since it would be lighter, plus excessive g forces would be less of a concern since there's no pilot). -Matt Bailey Rob Hommel wrote: > > Matt: > > As much as I loathe to agree with most everyone. It is a shame to see the > F-16 go that route. While I am biased in favor of the F-15 of course, the > F-16 is a very elegant machine. As a training target it is a poor use of the > technologies and speaks poorly of the government to make use of the aircraft > in this fashion. Then again a look around Davis Mothan will convince anyone > the collective intelligence quotient of any political body is determined by > the inverse square law. > > I fear we shall see the end of the F-15 in the near future as well as soon > as the F-22 and JSF is brought into the fold. I remain unconvinced that > either of those aircraft will be the equal of the F-15. > > Keep 'em Flying > Rob Hommel > > Matt Bailey wrote: > > > Awwww it's too bad for any plane to get trashed like that. :( But, I'd > > rather it be an F-16 than an F-4. :) > > > > -Matt Bailey > > > > Justin Messenger wrote: > > > Finally, a role for which the "mighty" Fighting Falcon > > > is aptly suited: target. Or, as many already prefer to > > > call the manned version: Eagle Training Aid. > > > > > > Hee hee... From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 17:01:46 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:01:46 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver In-Reply-To: <3DCE8DFF.C4E6CDB8@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <004a01c288da$dd71b560$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Volker, did you ever get a chance to look at your circuit? I'd like to get a schematic from you if you have the chance. To anyone else, I was organizing my electronic component (caps, resistors etc.) this weekend and I have some 5V voltage regulators left over from some previous projects. I went back and looked at those previous project schematics (had nothing to do with pit building) to see how they are wired together in circuit and saw that one circuit had a diode in line with the external power source with a small capacitor off to the side (usually a 9V DC converter, i.e. "wall wart" that is center positive) and another had a bridge rectifier in the circuit. Can some one explain what these are for (diodes, rectifiers etc..) and how could I go about making a simple circuit for use with this project (or any other project) that utilizes these 9V DC converters? Also, could one use a computer power supply as a source of power instead of the 9V DC converter? Do you have to have a special circuitry before you run this voltage into the chip? How does one control the current (amps) that flows in your circuit? These have +5V and +12V connections, are these types of supplies suitable to power these circuits? I know these are probably basic electronics knowledge, but was curious on how to do this myself without burning the house down. Is there a good book I could get that will explain the basics (I had basic stuff in college like V=IR and all that stuff) of power and designing simple circuits and stuff like that. Thanks Jay "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of volker metzger Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:57 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver Hi Jay, I use robs great driver with 2 mm5451 for a long time and hope I can give you the information you need to build the circuit. For the power supply I use 6 volt (6v) with 200 milliampere (200ma). I run it on one machine with one parallel port and have around 60 different led (low power leds, plan leds, high intensity leds). I give you more information (how to connect it and so on) at the weekend because I must take al look at my circuit first, if you like I can upload pictures of the circuit. In the meantime you can take a look at the circuit in action, go the simpits member file "other - general" and take a look at my upload pictures lights, ohp,closer and lefside.jpg. volker "jay-anna" schrieb: > To Robert or anyone out there, could you give a brief description of how > this circuit works and will it work on a slave machine networked to a > main box running Falcon or must it run on a host machine running Falcon? > Can it run on a slave machine with Falcon mem-reader running? There are > 2 chips listed on the spreadsheet, are these two different circuits? Do > they need two different parallel ports? Two different computers? Where > does one locate these chips? Digikey? Mouser etc? The pin assignments > for the LEDs are not really the pin of the chip, but the listed outs > 1-35 listed on the circuit? Are there any resistors that need to be > used with these LED's? What voltage LED are the best for this circuit? > The capacitor, can it be a generic ceramic disc capacitor or does it > need to be tantalum, electrolytic etc. type? > > > > I'm not trying to be a butt with all the questions, goodness knows my > pants are going crazy for the fact that someone knows how to do this and > is willing to share it with others and now one less thing I have to > figure out (and would probably have a hard time doing it since I don't > know anything about programming). > > > > Thanks > > Jay > > > > > > "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I > will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." > --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Robert Favre > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:14 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > > > No problem Mike. > > > > Ok.here we go.I've uploaded the program to the ftp server > (Falcon2_4.zip). The installation instructions are fairly simple.put > the vbio.dll file into the \windows\system directory, click on the > Falcon2_4.exe program to run. I've also included an excel spreadsheet > that lists which lights are on which pins. Questions are welcome > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:23 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > > > Thanks Rob, I may ask your help on this as I move forward, no heavy > bugging though :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Robert Favre > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:57 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > Yup.I'll put together a zip and post to the server. > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:56 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > > > Rob, > > no idea how to code, maybe I will have to learn some if I must, do you > already have a program written to for the w/ 5451 to interface w/ > > Falcon? > > > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Robert Favre > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:40 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > Ok folks.I've uploaded (circuit.jpg) the circuit diagram for the 5451 > LED driver to the ftp site. In a single chip configuration, the chip > connects to pins 2,3 and 18 of the parallel printer port. As always, > please be careful in working with ports on your PC. If anyone needs > help with the code portion, I can only help if you're interested in VB. > Also, my code requires the use of a 3rd party driver called VBIO (it's > free, and I believe I have a copy somewhere as well). When I last > played with the code, I was running a Win98SE PC, so I haven't tested on > any other OS. > > > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 18:01:54 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:01:54 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Name that pit Message-ID: <3DCE9F12.C0374D23@rtccom.net> Are these guys on the mailing list? :) http://vansaircraft.com/images/wood_plane_front%20.jpg -Matt Bailey From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 10 18:05:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jean-Yves SURFIN') Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:05:03 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... In-Reply-To: <200211110056.AA184942806@bosnjak.com> Message-ID: <000801c288e3$b19f3530$65f0fea9@amdbixp1800> Hi Wombat, Yeah, there's a long time we haven't talk. Ahh, those pics are so gorgeous... I will contact "Biohazard" as soon as possible. His moulding job is so great and precise. At this level, it's Art. Actually, I'm looking for his Aces II side moulding. Thanks for all Wombat. Jean-Yves Surfin' JOUANNY -----Message d'origine----- De : simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] De la part de Wombat Envoyé : dimanche 10 novembre 2002 14:56 Ŕ : simpits-tech@simpits.org Objet : Re: [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... Hi Surfin, Long time no talk. That was me who uploaded the pics for "Biohazard". His work is of such high standard that I felt everyone should see it. I have asked him to join the group, but as yet he hasn't. We have been exhanging parts over the past three months and expect a complete set of nobs in two weeks. The nobs are not backlit but are made of black PU (Polyethern .. have ever you spell it). Spary painted grey with masking on the black bits. Liquid white paint is then sunk in the gully. Here is a few pic's for a tease ... ;-) Biohazard can be reached on philippe.marchal@belgacom.net Regards, Joe [wombat] Bosnjak email: joe@bosnjak.com website: http://www.f-16cockpit.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jean-Yves SURFIN'" Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:22:54 +0100 >Hi, > >Does someone know how I could contact Philippe "Biohazard" Marchal >(By mail or ICQ) ? > >I see he posted some cool pics on FTP. > >You could reply on the forum or private >surfer.man@wanadoo.fr > >Thanks a lot for help.. > >Jean-Yves " Surfin' " Jouanny > > > > > >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 11 02:03:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:03:21 EST Subject: [simpits-tech] Joystick swap Message-ID: <193.106f230f.2b0069e9@aol.com> --part1_193.106f230f.2b0069e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i want to replace the handle on my microsoft percision pro with the handle from my ch products F16 flightstick pro. Anyone know where i can find out the pinouts to rewire it? i really dislike the feel of the ch gimble but i love the button placement.I love the feel of the microsoft stick but hate the button placement. Anyone else try anything like this? thanks in advance --part1_193.106f230f.2b0069e9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i want to replace the handle on my microsoft percision pro with the handle from my ch products F16 flightstick pro. Anyone know where i can find out the pinouts to rewire it? i really dislike the feel of the ch gimble but i love the button placement.I love the feel of the microsoft stick but hate the button placement. Anyone else try anything like this? thanks in advance --part1_193.106f230f.2b0069e9_boundary-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 11 04:56:32 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:56:32 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. In-Reply-To: <3DCE8DFF.C4E6CDB8@rtccom.net> References: <20021109221420.54970.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCD8DAC.CF967F0@rtccom.net> <007d01c28899$235a9cf0$47de08d0@betty> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021111175056.0300d7a0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 11:49 AM 11/10/02 -0500, you wrote: >Oh I agree the F-16 is a fine plane, and frankly I am suprise that the >military is wasting this thing on target practice. As much as I like the >F-4, it is old and uses old tech so I can understand why they would be >more inclined to trash it (even though other countries are reworking it >into a viable modern fighting machine). At this juncture in the conversation I'd recommend putting on some flameproof gear, coz I can almost the smell the smoke coming from Justin's ears..... ;-) >Why can't they just design a purpose built target drone? It could be >built very cheaply, and could easily turn with the F-16's and other >fighters (or could be set up to significantly out turn it, since it >would be lighter, plus excessive g forces would be less of a concern >since there's no pilot). > > -Matt Bailey How about, using the F-16's because they are clapped out, apparently many of them are in worse structural condition than the F-4's anyway....... Oh and I can't see them using F-16's anyway, they are after all, a one-shot kill..... At least the Phabulous Phantom will stand some punishment, and come on home! The 16 is also a bit fragile.... I don't think it would survive the remote controlled landings. If I had to pick what would be used next I'd go for F/A-18, or at a stretch F-14. F/A-18 would be easier with the more modern FBW setup.. Hokee Dokee... let the flame war begin ;-) Sean From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 11 05:34:58 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:34:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. Message-ID: <20021111053458.11124.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com> When they have have hundreds of worn out fighters I guess they have to do something with them. And like it or not, the F-16A is now old too. I seem to remember hearing something about old F-16's having wingbox problems. I've been to AMARC and there were a bunch of old F-16's, F-14's, F-15's, F-18's, and a whole lot of F-4's in storage. They do use purpose built target drones, but they are required by law to shoot at full sized targets too, for size realism. FYI, a QF-16 being shot at wouldn't have a pilot it it either. In tests with QF-4's there is a manned QF-4 following the drone QF-4 to visually make sure the drone is flying properly. Justin ------------------------------------ Oh I agree the F-16 is a fine plane, and frankly I am suprise that the military is wasting this thing on target practice. As much as I like the F-4, it is old and uses old tech so I can understand why they would be more inclined to trash it (even though other countries are reworking it into a viable modern fighting machine). Why can't they just design a purpose built target drone? It could be built very cheaply, and could easily turn with the F-16's and other fighters (or could be set up to significantly out turn it, since it would be lighter, plus excessive g forces would be less of a concern since there's no pilot). -Matt Bailey __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 11 12:24:40 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jean-Yves SURFIN') Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:24:40 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... In-Reply-To: <012101bf2c3c$65c56b40$8882adcb@window2000> Message-ID: <000401c2897d$4f209d50$65f0fea9@amdbixp1800> Hi Albert, Opened mouth... We are all in same state.... :-)) Thanks for all Monsieur Biohazard, You are a champion Bye, Jean-Yves JOUANNY -----Message d'origine----- De : simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] De la part de Albert Yung Envoyé : jeudi 11 novembre 1999 13:01 Ŕ : simpits-tech@simpits.org Objet : Re: [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... yeah, that line of text description is a ly! That ACE II is REAL! IT HAVE TO BE! IT CANT BE a replica :) Too good... I am looking at the picture with my eyes popped out of my head, mouth opened and completely speechless. Al Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Yves SURFIN'" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:05 AM Subject: RE : [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... Hi Wombat, Yeah, there's a long time we haven't talk. Ahh, those pics are so gorgeous... I will contact "Biohazard" as soon as possible. His moulding job is so great and precise. At this level, it's Art. Actually, I'm looking for his Aces II side moulding. Thanks for all Wombat. Jean-Yves Surfin' JOUANNY -----Message d'origine----- De : simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] De la part de Wombat Envoyé : dimanche 10 novembre 2002 14:56 Ŕ : simpits-tech@simpits.org Objet : Re: [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... Hi Surfin, Long time no talk. That was me who uploaded the pics for "Biohazard". His work is of such high standard that I felt everyone should see it. I have asked him to join the group, but as yet he hasn't. We have been exhanging parts over the past three months and expect a complete set of nobs in two weeks. The nobs are not backlit but are made of black PU (Polyethern .. have ever you spell it). Spary painted grey with masking on the black bits. Liquid white paint is then sunk in the gully. Here is a few pic's for a tease ... ;-) Biohazard can be reached on philippe.marchal@belgacom.net Regards, Joe [wombat] Bosnjak email: joe@bosnjak.com website: http://www.f-16cockpit.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jean-Yves SURFIN'" Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:22:54 +0100 >Hi, > >Does someone know how I could contact Philippe "Biohazard" Marchal >(By mail or ICQ) ? > >I see he posted some cool pics on FTP. > >You could reply on the forum or private >surfer.man@wanadoo.fr > >Thanks a lot for help.. > >Jean-Yves " Surfin' " Jouanny > > > > > >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 11 13:14:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Wombat) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:14:47 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Latest pic's ACEII Message-ID: <200211120014.AA55312658@bosnjak.com> Hi Simpiters, >>That ACE II is REAL! IT HAVE TO BE! IT CANT BE a replica :) Just for you Albert.. more pics of the the ACEII construction by Biohazard. Once again I hope these pics inspire you all and give you clues to the construction techiques applied. The pics can be found in the "Ejection seat" section. If you need more details please email Biohazard directly on philippe.marchal@belgacom.net Enjoy Gene - Sorry I stuffed up one of the name fields. Regards, Joe ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Albert Yung" Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:00:45 +1100 >yeah, that line of text description is a ly! > >That ACE II is REAL! IT HAVE TO BE! IT CANT BE a replica :) > >Too good... I am looking at the picture with my eyes popped out of my head, >mouth opened and completely speechless. > >Al >Sydney, Australia > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jean-Yves SURFIN'" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:05 AM >Subject: RE : [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... > > >Hi Wombat, > >Yeah, there's a long time we haven't talk. > >Ahh, those pics are so gorgeous... > >I will contact "Biohazard" as soon as possible. > >His moulding job is so great and precise. At this level, it's Art. > >Actually, I'm looking for his Aces II side moulding. > >Thanks for all Wombat. >Jean-Yves Surfin' JOUANNY > > > >-----Message d'origine----- >De : simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] De la part de Wombat >Envoyé : dimanche 10 novembre 2002 14:56 >Ŕ : simpits-tech@simpits.org >Objet : Re: [simpits-tech] Looking for Biohazard... > >Hi Surfin, > >Long time no talk. That was me who uploaded the pics >for "Biohazard". His work is of such high standard that I felt >everyone should see it. I have asked him to join the group, but as >yet he hasn't. > >We have been exhanging parts over the past three months and expect >a complete set of nobs in two weeks. > >The nobs are not backlit but are made of black PU (Polyethern .. >have ever you spell it). Spary painted grey with masking on the >black bits. Liquid white paint is then sunk in the gully. > >Here is a few pic's for a tease ... ;-) > >Biohazard can be reached on philippe.marchal@belgacom.net > > >Regards, > >Joe [wombat] Bosnjak >email: joe@bosnjak.com >website: http://www.f-16cockpit.com > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Jean-Yves SURFIN'" >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:22:54 +0100 > >>Hi, >> >>Does someone know how I could contact Philippe "Biohazard" >Marchal >>(By mail or ICQ) ? >> >>I see he posted some cool pics on FTP. >> >>You could reply on the forum or private >>surfer.man@wanadoo.fr >> >>Thanks a lot for help.. >> >>Jean-Yves " Surfin' " Jouanny >> >> >> >> >> >>Simpits-tech mailing list >>Simpits-tech@simpits.org >>http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >>To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above >>page. Thanks! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Simpits-tech mailing list >>Simpits-tech@simpits.org >>http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >>To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 11 14:36:33 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:36:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk. In-Reply-To: <000801c2883c$d569ef20$4692a3d4@o7w1d8> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Brian West. wrote: > Roy, > The Sea Hawk and the Hunter were both from the same designer, > Sydney Camm. It looks as if they share many similar features and > presumably were built alongside each other. There are loads of Hunters > and parts around,very likely the instumentation and electrics etc are > common to both. Might be worth a look. Best regards, Brian West. > Thanks Brian, I've already found some parts in common but sadly, not as many as you'd have thought. I'm finding my way, slowly. It seems to be that every contact you find leads you to another, and another and so on - ad infinitum! I'll get there, I'm a patient person! Regards, Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 04:52:09 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Clarence S. Durham) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:52:09 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: Kory Simmons Message-ID: Good Morning Simpits Members, Can you please help me locate Kory Simmons, I received this Switch Guard inquiry from Kory on 11-08-02 and received this answer back from my server. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am afraid Kory will think I am ignoring his request. Thanks, Clarence, cdurham@seanet.com Clarence S. Durham 201 29th Street Hoquiam, WA 98550 360-533-3319 -----Original Message----- From: Kory Simmons [mailto:ksimmo@migration.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:10 AM To: cdurham@seanet.com Subject: Toggle switch covers Clarence- Are you still selling the F-16 switch guards? Regards, Kory cdurham@seanet.com Good Morning Kory, Yes the Special SS Toggle Switch Guards; are still available. They are priced at $3.00 each plus shipping, packing/handling costs. Please send me your shipping address and quantity and I will quote shipping cost. Thank You, Clarence cdurham@seanet.com The original message was received at Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:20:04 -0800 (PST) from ip-64-38-161-21.dialup.seanet.com [64.38.161.21] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 5.2.1 ... Mailbox disabled for this recipient) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to smtp.migration.com.: >>> RCPT To: From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 00:15:11 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:15:11 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. References: <20021111053458.11124.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DD0480F.2F7C2724@rtccom.net> Justin Messenger wrote: > > When they have have hundreds of worn out fighters I > guess they have to do something with them. And like it > or not, the F-16A is now old too. I seem to remember > hearing something about old F-16's having wingbox > problems. I've been to AMARC and there were a bunch of > old F-16's, F-14's, F-15's, F-18's, and a whole lot of > F-4's in storage. Yeah that place is AWESOME! I wish they would let me roam the place for about a day or so with a flatbed trailer. :) > They do use purpose built target drones, but they are > required by law to shoot at full sized targets too, > for size realism. FYI, a QF-16 being shot at wouldn't > have a pilot it it either. I would hope not. :) I meant the aircraft could be designed without provision for the pilot in the first place...the cockpit and certain systems, like O2, are just wasted resources in a pilotless drone. Why coudldn't a drone be made full size? -Matt Bailey From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 00:56:44 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (SysAdmin) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:56:44 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 8" x 8" monitors References: <20021111053458.11124.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD0480F.2F7C2724@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <015a01c289e6$5f429e40$c100a8c0@viper> In all my resurch on the net this is the closest monitor to the real crt's in the glass cockpit of a 747-400 that I can find. Anyone have better luck? http://www.dgahouston.com/moncrt10.htm Leroy Baynum From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 01:34:24 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:34:24 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 8" x 8" monitors References: <20021111053458.11124.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD0480F.2F7C2724@rtccom.net> <015a01c289e6$5f429e40$c100a8c0@viper> Message-ID: <3DD05AA0.20032656@rtccom.net> Wow, why is it so expensive? The unusual size? -Matt Bailey SysAdmin wrote: > > In all my resurch on the net this is the closest monitor to the real crt's > in the glass cockpit of a 747-400 that I can find. Anyone have better luck? > > http://www.dgahouston.com/moncrt10.htm > > Leroy Baynum From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 16:24:29 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:24:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Commercial Jet Aircraft Census webpage Message-ID: <20021112162429.56794.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> Bill Harms who has the Commercial Jet Aircraft Census webpage http://www.bird.ch/bharms/asr_sh00.htm is about to upload his very last update and is looking for someone to take over the job. His site is packed with a lot of information and I'd hate to see this resorce lost. If inyone is interested in the job send him an email and let him know. Justin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 16:29:52 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:29:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. Message-ID: <20021112162952.59258.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> I'm guessing here, but I bet a conversion of an already built fighter type is cheaper than scratch building a drone that is the same size. The fighter is already paid for, they just have to add the remote control systems. That being said, I wish they would just give the fighters to me rather than shooting them down ;) Justin -------------------------------------------- I would hope not. :) I meant the aircraft could be designed without provision for the pilot in the first place...the cockpit and certain systems, like O2, are just wasted resources in a pilotless drone. Why coudldn't a drone be made full size? -Matt Bailey __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 18:47:07 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:47:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] WANTED: Phantom Parts In-Reply-To: <166.16b389c2.2afe73c2@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 Jrod1052@aol.com wrote: > Roy, > > I have a spare one that I use in my F-4D sim. There are a lot of different > types radar control grips for the F-4. This one might just fill the hole. Hi Steve, I've just checked back with him and the item he needs is shown in red at http://roy.spang.org/phantom.jpg He'll take any issue he can get! > I'll donate it to the cause if you'll send me some pictures of the > restoration project. I'm sure that will not pose any problems! Mick is extremely keen to preserve (and help preserve) all aspects of flying history and he's an extensive collection he makes available to the public through museums etc. I don't know where you are - uk/usa? but if you could let me have some idea of cost I would be very grateful. Regards, Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 19:14:56 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:14:56 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. In-Reply-To: <20021112162952.59258.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c28a7f$c9d0a8d0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Or at least let us salvage parts from them for out pits before blasting them to smithereens. Jay "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Justin Messenger Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:30 AM To: Simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. I'm guessing here, but I bet a conversion of an already built fighter type is cheaper than scratch building a drone that is the same size. The fighter is already paid for, they just have to add the remote control systems. That being said, I wish they would just give the fighters to me rather than shooting them down ;) Justin -------------------------------------------- I would hope not. :) I meant the aircraft could be designed without provision for the pilot in the first place...the cockpit and certain systems, like O2, are just wasted resources in a pilotless drone. Why coudldn't a drone be made full size? -Matt Bailey __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 19:33:08 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:33:08 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20021112123254.00b1cfa8@737flightsim.com> Justin Make them the offer that if you can out maneuver the missile then you keep the aircraft, that way you get to fly a real F16, and if you are lucky, you will get to fly it any time you want. Of course your next of kin, may/will have an interesting story to tell! David www.737FlightSim.com At 08:29 AM 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote: >That being said, I wish they would just give the fighters to me rather >than shooting them >down ;) >Justin From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 19:36:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian West.) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:36:14 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk. Message-ID: <001f01c28a82$d99075e0$4d92a3d4@o7w1d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C28A8B.252A1F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roy,=20 O.K. well at least some Hunter parts are usable. Good luck with = the rest of what you need. I'm pretty sure I saw a Sea Hawk in an aviation museum at Helston, = Cornwall a few years back. R.N.A.S. Culdrose is just down the road and = used to be a fixed wing base before helicopters. Just possible they know = of other aircraft or parts still in the area. I'm looking for a 50/60s R.A.F. blue seat harness with the rotary centre = fastener, if you come across a source I would be grateful for a steer. Best regards, = Brian West. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C28A8B.252A1F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roy,
       = O.K. well=20 at least some Hunter parts are usable. Good luck with the rest of what = you=20 need.
I'm pretty sure I saw a Sea Hawk in = an aviation=20 museum at Helston, Cornwall a few years back. R.N.A.S. Culdrose is just = down the=20 road and used to be a fixed wing base before helicopters. Just possible = they=20 know of other aircraft or parts still in the area.
I'm looking for a 50/60s R.A.F. blue = seat=20 harness with the rotary centre fastener, if you come across a source I = would be=20 grateful for a steer.
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;   =20 Best regards,      Brian=20 West.
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C28A8B.252A1F80-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 20:19:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:19:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk. In-Reply-To: <001f01c28a82$d99075e0$4d92a3d4@o7w1d8> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Brian West. wrote: > Roy, > O.K. well at least some Hunter parts are usable. Good luck with the rest of what you need. > I'm pretty sure I saw a Sea Hawk in an aviation museum at Helston, Cornwall a few years back. R.N.A.S. Culdrose is just down the road and used to be a fixed wing base before helicopters. Just possible they know of other aircraft or parts still in the area. > I'm looking for a 50/60s R.A.F. blue seat harness with the rotary centre fastener, if you come across a source I would be grateful for a steer. I'm about to open a new web site where folks can advertise wants/sells/swaps for any type of aero stuff. Its free, easy to use, international and long overdue! I've found many people who have stuff or want stuff, but other than aerojumbles or word of mouth - this stuff sits in cardboard boxes. A very frustrating situation for all concerned. I'm hoping to partner the site with another organisation but it will be unveiled within the next week regardless. Roy. # From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 21:16:07 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian West.) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:16:07 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk. Message-ID: <004101c28a90$b8042bc0$4d92a3d4@o7w1d8> Roy, Sounds a great idea, keep me posted. Regards, Brian West. -----Original Message----- From: Roy Coates To: Simpits-tech. Date: 12 November 2002 21:17 Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Sea Hawk. >On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Brian West. wrote: > >> Roy, >> O.K. well at least some Hunter parts are usable. Good luck with the rest of what you need. >> I'm pretty sure I saw a Sea Hawk in an aviation museum at Helston, Cornwall a few years back. R.N.A.S. Culdrose is just down the road and used to be a fixed wing base before helicopters. Just possible they know of other aircraft or parts still in the area. >> I'm looking for a 50/60s R.A.F. blue seat harness with the rotary centre fastener, if you come across a source I would be grateful for a steer. > >I'm about to open a new web site where folks can advertise >wants/sells/swaps for any type of aero stuff. Its free, easy to use, >international and long overdue! > >I've found many people who have stuff or want stuff, but other than >aerojumbles or word of mouth - this stuff sits in cardboard boxes. A very >frustrating situation for all concerned. > >I'm hoping to partner the site with another organisation but it will be >unveiled within the next week regardless. > >Roy. ># > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 12 21:17:17 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:17:17 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] OT International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20021112141001.00b08ae0@pop.bois.qwest.net> Hello Everyone If you live near Orlando, Florida USA this annual trade show is worth the travel time. There are motion platforms, projection systems, sound systems, and all the high end toys we need for this hobby! Exhibition: November 20 - 23, 2002 Orange County Convention Center Orlando, Florida USA International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions IAAPA is dedicated to the preservation and prosperity of the amusement industry. David www.737FlightSim.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 13 05:54:25 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:54:25 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. References: <20021112162952.59258.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DD1E911.F91A9241@rtccom.net> I suppose, but at least a drone would be very cheap to make, so running out of them wouldn't be as much of a problem. Of course if they don't blow them up faster than other fighters become obsolete, I guess that's not a problem anyway. -Matt Bailey Justin Messenger wrote: > > I'm guessing here, but I bet a conversion of an > already built fighter type is cheaper than scratch > building a drone that is the same size. The fighter is > already paid for, they just have to add the remote > control systems. That being said, I wish they would > just give the fighters to me rather than shooting them > down ;) > Justin > -------------------------------------------- > > I would hope not. :) I meant the aircraft could be > designed without > provision for the pilot in the first place...the > cockpit and certain > systems, like O2, are just wasted resources in a > pilotless drone. > Why coudldn't a drone be made full size? > > -Matt Bailey From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 13 12:58:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Bill Kaufman) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:58:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] EPIC Center 0.1.1.50 Message-ID: <001c01c28b14$531f1d30$6fa0c786@breconridge.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C28AEA.69F995A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Folks, I just downloaded the latest EPIC Center and was curious if anyone has = any details on what the changes are? I checked the R&R Web site and the = Flight Sim site where I found the update and there does not seem to be a = lot of information on it. Thanks. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C28AEA.69F995A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Folks,
 
I just downloaded the latest EPIC = Center and was=20 curious if anyone has any details on what the changes are? I checked the = R&R=20 Web site and the Flight Sim site where I found the update and there does = not=20 seem to be a lot of information on it.
 
Thanks.

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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C28AEA.69F995A0-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 13 14:11:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:11:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. Message-ID: <20021113141103.99855.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com> Lets say they converted 300 F-4's to QF-4s. If they average 3 flights of being shot at before being destroyed then you have 900 live missile tests, Thats quite a few. I wonder if QF-16's average survival rate would be the same, considering it has one engine. I have no idea what the QF-106 survival rate was. They seemed to last a long time. What I wonder is, after they've been hit, can something useful be fouwreckagethe wreakage? If they'd let me I'd sure go look. maybe salvageabled be some salvagable ejection seat parts. Justin ---------------------------------------------- I suppose, but at least a drone would be very cheap to make, so running out of them wouldn't be as much of a problem. Of course if they don't blow them up faster than other fighters become obsolete, I guess that's not a problem anyway. -Matt Bailey __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 13 23:36:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:36:14 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] QF-4G Phantom..vs Training aids. References: <20021113141103.99855.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DD2E1EE.95372440@rtccom.net> Heh, you need to convince them to let you salvage stuff BEFORE the drone flights. :) I'm serious...I see no reason why they would need to keep ejection seats in the planes. Now flight critical stuff, yeah I can see why you'd need to wait until after flight, but I suspect they would save most of that stuff for the other drones anyway. -Matt Bailey Justin Messenger wrote: > > Lets say they converted 300 F-4's to QF-4s. If they > average 3 flights of being shot at before being > destroyed then you have 900 live missile tests, Thats > quite a few. I wonder if QF-16's average survival rate > would be the same, considering it has one engine. I > have no idea what the QF-106 survival rate was. They > seemed to last a long time. > > What I wonder is, after they've been hit, can > something useful be fouwreckagethe wreakage? If they'd > let me I'd sure go look. maybe salvageabled be some > salvagable ejection seat parts. > Justin From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 13 23:37:19 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Deltawing) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:37:19 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] www.Deltawing.com -- Instructor Console, Rotary Encoder Modules, Custom Panels -- Check it out!! Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C28B2A.8D336C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would like to invite all SIM fans to our new website. www.Deltawing.com We provide Simulation Products and Flight Training Devices. We have just released several new products. Check These out: Instructor Console 1.0 This is a remote monitoring and control application for Flight Simulator 2000 and Flight Simulator 2002. Features: Monitor or change flight parameters and/or autopilot settings at any time, initiate a wide variety of aircraft failures, add/change weather parameters and environmental conditions and monitor aircraft switch status and flight control positions. SuperCVR Digital Cockpit Voice Recorder The SuperCVR digital cockpit voice recorder can be installed in any existing simulator to provide a simple way to review CRM protocols and pilot and F/O communications Single and Quad Rotary Encoder Modules These single and quad encoder circuit's allows you to generate keystrokes from rotary encoders used in your cockpit 737NG/747/777 Type Aluminum Main Instrument Panels These unpainted panel assemblies can be ordered in .125” or .1875” aluminum and include the display bezels. Individual FMS Keypad Mounting Plates These mounting plates provide mounting provisions, protection and a solid platform to install your MCDU displays. We also offer several lighting and enunciators products as well as rack mounted pc's perfect for your sim installations. If you have questions or comments regarding these or any of our products or services please contact us at Sales@Deltawing.com ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C28B2A.8D336C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to invite all SIM fans to = our new=20 website. www.Deltawing.com

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If you have questions or comments regarding = these or=20 any of our products or services please contact us at Sales@Deltawing.com ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C28B2A.8D336C40-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 02:10:43 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:10:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian's headset converters... Message-ID: They work great! If you were waiting to buy one from him, do it! I tested both units I bought from him with an Air Classics HS-1 aviation headset, and it worked great with Roger Wilco! Good job Brian! g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 02:27:19 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:27:19 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] www.Deltawing.com -- Instructor Console, Rotary Encoder Modules, Custom Panels -- Check it out!! References: Message-ID: <004a01c28b85$5b8b6b10$71bc1ad0@betty> Thanks for the information about your products. I am a bit curious about your behavior however. While we do encourage folks to tell us about their products. I think we would all appreciate emails without the look of a sales pitch. Your company seems to have some fine products, but, if you could tell us a bit about their operation, how they are constructed and how we might use them in our Sam's I would be appreciative. For an example, how much may I modify the instructor console so as to reflect the aircraft the trainee is flying? Is this an adaptive console or am I forced to use the console as it appears on your web site. Your rotary encoder modules appear very good can you explain to some of the Simpit membership how they may use rotary encoders? Not all of the membership are skilled electronic engineers. We always look forward to hearing from companies involved in the industry and we have always encouraged their participation but please don't use this forum as an avenue for sales alone. We really are a group of participants learning from the work of others, encouraging them in their pursuits be it aviation, automotive, tanks and mech's, heck we even have a train simulator fan. I was unfamiliar with your company until today and I look forward to seeing more about your company in the future. Thank you for sharing with us your fine product line. You might consider contacting Gene Buckle about providing a link to your product line on the Simpits.com web site. Which is the commercial links page for the Simpits group. You may find that it is a viable avenue for sales for your company. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deltawing" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] www.Deltawing.com -- Instructor Console, Rotary Encoder Modules, Custom Panels -- Check it out!! > I would like to invite all SIM fans to our new website. www.Deltawing.com > > We provide Simulation Products and Flight Training Devices. > > We have just released several new products. Check These out: > > Instructor Console 1.0 > This is a remote monitoring and control application for Flight Simulator > 2000 and Flight Simulator 2002. Features: Monitor or change flight > parameters and/or autopilot settings at any time, initiate a wide variety of > aircraft failures, add/change weather parameters and environmental > conditions and monitor aircraft switch status and flight control positions. > > SuperCVR Digital Cockpit Voice Recorder > The SuperCVR digital cockpit voice recorder can be installed in any existing > simulator to provide a simple way to review CRM protocols and pilot and F/O > communications > > Single and Quad Rotary Encoder Modules > These single and quad encoder circuit's allows you to generate keystrokes > from rotary encoders used in your cockpit > > 737NG/747/777 Type Aluminum Main Instrument Panels > These unpainted panel assemblies can be ordered in .125" or .1875" aluminum > and include the display bezels. > > Individual FMS Keypad Mounting Plates > These mounting plates provide mounting provisions, protection and a solid > platform to install your MCDU displays. > > We also offer several lighting and enunciators products as well as rack > mounted pc's perfect for your sim installations. > > If you have questions or comments regarding these or any of our products or > services please contact us at Sales@Deltawing.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.417 / Virus Database: 233 - Release Date: 11/9/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 02:32:17 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:32:17 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian's headset converters... Message-ID: Hey Gene, Thanks for the good word! I'm glad you liked 'em! :) I'm gonna try to borrow my buddy's digital cam again (mine decided to stop working... a decision that oddly co-incided with me taking it apart... hmmm....) and get some pics of the final product. I try to make them good-looking as well as functional, heh. And I learned a lot about working with these ABS boxes on this batch! Heheh. Fun stuff. Who'd have guessed a reamer could be worth it's weight in platinum? :) Oh, and those "helping hands" from Radio Shack, 10 bucks for 2 alligator clips and a magnifying glass on a base... and worth every penny ten times over! That thing saved my butt, I'd highly recommend it for anyone working with little bits and peices... Brian ----Original Message Follows---- From: Gene Buckle Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian's headset converters... Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:10:43 -0800 (PST) They work great! If you were waiting to buy one from him, do it! I tested both units I bought from him with an Air Classics HS-1 aviation headset, and it worked great with Roger Wilco! Good job Brian! g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 05:05:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:05:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian's headset converters... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Thanks for the good word! I'm glad you liked 'em! :) I'm gonna try to borrow > my buddy's digital cam again (mine decided to stop working... a decision > that oddly co-incided with me taking it apart... hmmm....) and get some pics > of the final product. I try to make them good-looking as well as functional, > heh. And I learned a lot about working with these ABS boxes on this batch! > Heheh. Fun stuff. Who'd have guessed a reamer could be worth it's weight in > platinum? :) Oh, and those "helping hands" from Radio Shack, 10 bucks for 2 > alligator clips and a magnifying glass on a base... and worth every penny > ten times over! That thing saved my butt, I'd highly recommend it for anyone > working with little bits and peices... > I've got one of those as well. I ditched the magnifying glass though. Just gets in the way. :) g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 05:13:34 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:13:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872625583 Something tells me the ATF is gonna sh*t bricks over this one. :) g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 05:39:28 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:39:28 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... References: Message-ID: <3DD33710.527E72E5@rtccom.net> How do people get their hands on this stuff??? -Matt Bailey From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 06:49:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:49:37 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c28baa$02f81870$1401a8c0@theiceberg> We'll see how long that lasts on eBay. Although 50k isn't a bad price for that. J "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:14 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872625583 Something tells me the ATF is gonna sh*t bricks over this one. :) g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 09:02:34 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:02:34 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... References: <001301c28baa$02f81870$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <00b901bf2e7a$c4eff050$c792adcb@window2000> Message-ID: <006501c28bbc$9332d5d0$71bc1ad0@betty> Albert: If you had a helo that was armed like that you could write any damn way you wished. Keep 'em flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Yung" > Does it say it operational somewhere? > Tell that guy he needs to use some paragraph for goodness sake. LOL > > Albert > Sydney, Australia > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.417 / Virus Database: 233 - Release Date: 11/10/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 13:06:06 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872625583 > > Something tells me the ATF is gonna sh*t bricks over this one. :) > Hey folks... keep me in mind, Xmas is geting near and my stocking is empty ;) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 14:00:23 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:00:23 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c28be6$2d68d860$1401a8c0@theiceberg> You think I could get this one past the finance committee? I managed to get the $1200 rudder pedals, somehow a $50,000 helicopter would probably be out of the question. Although Christmas is coming up. J "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:14 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872625583 Something tells me the ATF is gonna sh*t bricks over this one. :) g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 15:08:56 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:08:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872625583 > > > > Something tells me the ATF is gonna sh*t bricks over this one. :) > > > > Hey folks... > keep me in mind, Xmas is geting near and my stocking is empty ;) > > Roy. So's your head if you think someone is gonna buy that for you as a stocking stuffer. :) You been huffing off of the Zinc Chromate can again? :) g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 15:15:53 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:15:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] for you fling wing nuts.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > > So's your head if you think someone is gonna buy that for you as a > stocking stuffer. :) You been huffing off of the Zinc Chromate can again? > :) > Nah, I get high on the peace, love and goodwill I find in my workplace. Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 16:44:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (volker metzger) Date: 14 Nov 2002 16:44 GMT Subject: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver Message-ID: <18CN6p-0OCqw4C@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Hi Joseph, aorry for the late response. Have you seen Rob´s detailed answer of how to connect the circuit ?, if you need more information please feel free to ask, i will try to answer your questions. In the begin the schematic of the circuit seems a litte bit difficult but dont worry, the building of Rob´´s circuit ist not so complicated. Volker "Joseph Fagner" schrieb: > Volker, did you ever get a chance to look at your circuit? I'd like to > get a schematic from you if you have the chance. > > To anyone else, I was organizing my electronic component (caps, > resistors etc.) this weekend and I have some 5V voltage regulators left > over from some previous projects. I went back and looked at those > previous project schematics (had nothing to do with pit building) to see > how they are wired together in circuit and saw that one circuit had a > diode in line with the external power source with a small capacitor off > to the side (usually a 9V DC converter, i.e. "wall wart" that is center > positive) and another had a bridge rectifier in the circuit. Can some > one explain what these are for (diodes, rectifiers etc..) and how could > I go about making a simple circuit for use with this project (or any > other project) that utilizes these 9V DC converters? Also, could one > use a computer power supply as a source of power instead of the 9V DC > converter? Do you have to have a special circuitry before you run this > voltage into the chip? How does one control the current (amps) that > flows in your circuit? These have +5V and +12V connections, are these > types of supplies suitable to power these circuits? I know these are > probably basic electronics knowledge, but was curious on how to do this > myself without burning the house down. Is there a good book I could get > that will explain the basics (I had basic stuff in college like V=IR and > all that stuff) of power and designing simple circuits and stuff like > that. > > Thanks > Jay > > "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I > will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." > --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of volker metzger > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:57 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > Hi Jay, > I use robs great driver with 2 mm5451 for a long time and hope I can > give you the information you need to build the circuit. For the power > supply I use 6 volt (6v) with 200 milliampere (200ma). I run it on one > machine with one parallel port and have around 60 different led (low > power leds, plan leds, high intensity leds). I give you more information > (how to connect it and so on) at the weekend because I must take al look > at my circuit first, if you like I can upload pictures of the circuit. > In the meantime you can take > a look at the circuit in action, go the simpits member file "other - > general" and take a look at my upload pictures lights, ohp,closer and > lefside.jpg. > > volker > > "jay-anna" schrieb: > > To Robert or anyone out there, could you give a brief description of > how > > this circuit works and will it work on a slave machine networked to a > > main box running Falcon or must it run on a host machine running > Falcon? > > Can it run on a slave machine with Falcon mem-reader running? There > are > > 2 chips listed on the spreadsheet, are these two different circuits? > Do > > they need two different parallel ports? Two different computers? > Where > > does one locate these chips? Digikey? Mouser etc? The pin > assignments > > for the LEDs are not really the pin of the chip, but the listed outs > > 1-35 listed on the circuit? Are there any resistors that need to be > > used with these LED's? What voltage LED are the best for this > circuit? > > The capacitor, can it be a generic ceramic disc capacitor or does it > > need to be tantalum, electrolytic etc. type? > > > > > > > > I'm not trying to be a butt with all the questions, goodness knows my > > pants are going crazy for the fact that someone knows how to do this > and > > is willing to share it with others and now one less thing I have to > > figure out (and would probably have a hard time doing it since I don't > > know anything about programming). > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I > > will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." > > --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Robert Favre > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:14 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > > > > > > > No problem Mike. > > > > > > > > Ok.here we go.I've uploaded the program to the ftp server > > (Falcon2_4.zip). The installation instructions are fairly simple.put > > the vbio.dll file into the \windows\system directory, click on the > > Falcon2_4.exe program to run. I've also included an excel spreadsheet > > that lists which lights are on which pins. Questions are welcome > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:23 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > > > > > > > Thanks Rob, I may ask your help on this as I move forward, no heavy > > bugging though :) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Robert Favre > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:57 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > > > Yup.I'll put together a zip and post to the server. > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:56 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > no idea how to code, maybe I will have to learn some if I must, do you > > already have a program written to for the w/ 5451 to interface w/ > > > > Falcon? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Robert Favre > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:40 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: [simpits-tech] MM5451 LED Driver > > > > Ok folks.I've uploaded (circuit.jpg) the circuit diagram for the 5451 > > LED driver to the ftp site. In a single chip configuration, the chip > > connects to pins 2,3 and 18 of the parallel printer port. As always, > > please be careful in working with ports on your PC. If anyone needs > > help with the code portion, I can only help if you're interested in > VB. > > Also, my code requires the use of a 3rd party driver called VBIO (it's > > free, and I believe I have a copy somewhere as well). When I last > > played with the code, I was running a Win98SE PC, so I haven't tested > on > > any other OS. > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 21:43:25 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Thomas Nepveu) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:43:25 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Real F16 TQS handle for sale Message-ID: <3DD418FD.B9589B59@nordnet.fr> Hi all, A friend of mine, Guillaume "Dimebug" Levele, sell a TQS handle. It is brand new, never mounted in a fighter. Above there is 2 links to pics of the beast. He asks 300 Euros for it, buyer will pay shipping cost and import tax if applicable. btw, he is located in France, so buyers in EEC will not pay import tax and shipping cost will be cheap (around 15-20€ I guess). You can reach Dimebug at dimebug@caramail.com . Regards. Thomas "Lapin" Nepveu. Pics : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/tqs2small.jpg http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/DSC00973small.jpg PS : Please note than I act just as an intermediary for this deal. Contact Dimebug directly if you are interressed. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 21:54:56 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:54:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Real F16 TQS handle for sale In-Reply-To: <3DD418FD.B9589B59@nordnet.fr> Message-ID: Isn't he the former chief designer of the Cougar? g. On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Thomas Nepveu wrote: > Hi all, > > A friend of mine, Guillaume "Dimebug" Levele, sell a TQS handle. > > It is brand new, never mounted in a fighter. > Above there is 2 links to pics of the beast. > He asks 300 Euros for it, buyer will pay shipping cost and import tax if > applicable. > btw, he is located in France, so buyers in EEC will not pay import tax > and shipping cost will be cheap (around 15-20€ I guess). > > You can reach Dimebug at dimebug@caramail.com . > > Regards. > Thomas "Lapin" Nepveu. > > Pics : > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/tqs2small.jpg > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/DSC00973small.jpg > > PS : Please note than I act just as an intermediary for this deal. > Contact Dimebug directly if you are interressed. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 22:07:16 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Thomas Nepveu) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:07:16 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Real F16 TQS handle for sale References: Message-ID: <3DD41E94.ABE4C5CE@nordnet.fr> he is.... Thomas. Gene Buckle wrote: > > Isn't he the former chief designer of the Cougar? > > g. > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Thomas Nepveu wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > A friend of mine, Guillaume "Dimebug" Levele, sell a TQS handle. > > > > It is brand new, never mounted in a fighter. > > Above there is 2 links to pics of the beast. > > He asks 300 Euros for it, buyer will pay shipping cost and import tax if > > applicable. > > btw, he is located in France, so buyers in EEC will not pay import tax > > and shipping cost will be cheap (around 15-20€ I guess). > > > > You can reach Dimebug at dimebug@caramail.com . > > > > Regards. > > Thomas "Lapin" Nepveu. > > > > Pics : > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/tqs2small.jpg > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/DSC00973small.jpg > > > > PS : Please note than I act just as an intermediary for this deal. > > Contact Dimebug directly if you are interressed. > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 23:47:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Deltawing) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:47:12 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] www.Deltawing.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c28b85$5b8b6b10$71bc1ad0@betty> Message-ID: Sorry for the late response. I was doing construction on a friends house till the wee hours of the night last night and had full day today. However, I did want to apologize to the group for the post regarding deltawing.com. It was not my intention to make it look like a sales pitch, but it did come out that way. I will be sure to contact Gene regarding a link on the simpits site. I also wanted to thank Rob for his questions. The Instructor Console can be customized for each individual aircraft. It is preconfigured for the aircraft's that ship with flight sim but can be customized for any new aircraft you may add. You can customize things like, which gauges are shown and how they are scaled, you can customize the autopilot to match an aircrafts features, you can use it with EPIC to send events to your epic systems. I would suggest downloading the User Guide. It should give you a pretty good idea what you can do with it. http://www.deltawing.com/documents/ICUserGuide.pdf (Some people are having trouble opening this in a browser, you might just want to download it or if you want to contact me directly I can email you a copy) Our Rotary Encoder Modules could be used on autopilot panels, FEES panels, overheads, radio stacks, etc. Just about anywhere you need a rotary switch to be plumed to a keystroke. The Rotary Encoder Modules create alpha/numeric keystrokes that can be sent to any software application, including Flight Simulator or Project Magenta software, directly via the keyboard port. You simply install the rotary encoders, connect the outputs from the ENC 302/351 boards to the appropriate inputs of one or more Hagstrom KE series key encoders and you're ready to go. The ENC 302 has a single rotary encoder, thus, two outputs (counter-clockwise and clockwise) that can be connected to one or two separate Hagstrom boards. The ENC 351 has four rotary encoders, thus, eight outputs that can be connected to one or more (up to eight separate) Hagstrom boards. The ENC 302 and ENC351 have terminal blocks for easy connection. The boards can even be ordered as bundles with the Hagstrom boards. You can order these as bundles and simply tell us which keystrokes you desire for the counter-clockwise and clockwise rotation for each rotary encoder. Please don't hesitate to ask any further questions. Thanks, Chris Barnett LAS -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Rob Hommel Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:27 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] www.Deltawing.com -- Instructor Console, Rotary Encoder Modules, Custom Panels -- Check it out!! Thanks for the information about your products. I am a bit curious about your behavior however. While we do encourage folks to tell us about their products. I think we would all appreciate emails without the look of a sales pitch. Your company seems to have some fine products, but, if you could tell us a bit about their operation, how they are constructed and how we might use them in our Sam's I would be appreciative. For an example, how much may I modify the instructor console so as to reflect the aircraft the trainee is flying? Is this an adaptive console or am I forced to use the console as it appears on your web site. Your rotary encoder modules appear very good can you explain to some of the Simpit membership how they may use rotary encoders? Not all of the membership are skilled electronic engineers. We always look forward to hearing from companies involved in the industry and we have always encouraged their participation but please don't use this forum as an avenue for sales alone. We really are a group of participants learning from the work of others, encouraging them in their pursuits be it aviation, automotive, tanks and mech's, heck we even have a train simulator fan. I was unfamiliar with your company until today and I look forward to seeing more about your company in the future. Thank you for sharing with us your fine product line. You might consider contacting Gene Buckle about providing a link to your product line on the Simpits.com web site. Which is the commercial links page for the Simpits group. You may find that it is a viable avenue for sales for your company. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deltawing" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] www.Deltawing.com -- Instructor Console, Rotary Encoder Modules, Custom Panels -- Check it out!! > I would like to invite all SIM fans to our new website. www.Deltawing.com > > We provide Simulation Products and Flight Training Devices. > > We have just released several new products. Check These out: > > Instructor Console 1.0 > This is a remote monitoring and control application for Flight Simulator > 2000 and Flight Simulator 2002. Features: Monitor or change flight > parameters and/or autopilot settings at any time, initiate a wide variety of > aircraft failures, add/change weather parameters and environmental > conditions and monitor aircraft switch status and flight control positions. > > SuperCVR Digital Cockpit Voice Recorder > The SuperCVR digital cockpit voice recorder can be installed in any existing > simulator to provide a simple way to review CRM protocols and pilot and F/O > communications > > Single and Quad Rotary Encoder Modules > These single and quad encoder circuit's allows you to generate keystrokes > from rotary encoders used in your cockpit > > 737NG/747/777 Type Aluminum Main Instrument Panels > These unpainted panel assemblies can be ordered in .125" or .1875" aluminum > and include the display bezels. > > Individual FMS Keypad Mounting Plates > These mounting plates provide mounting provisions, protection and a solid > platform to install your MCDU displays. > > We also offer several lighting and enunciators products as well as rack > mounted pc's perfect for your sim installations. > > If you have questions or comments regarding these or any of our products or > services please contact us at Sales@Deltawing.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 14 23:56:34 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Steve Wilson) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:56:34 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Real F16 TQS handle for sale In-Reply-To: <3DD41E94.ABE4C5CE@nordnet.fr> Message-ID: <200211142308.PAA30084@uridium.deltasoft.com> Obviously doesn't need this old thing now.... -- Steve Wilson, mafsix@attbi.com on 11/14/2002 On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:07:16 +0100, Thomas Nepveu wrote: :::: ::::   he is.... :::: ::::   Thomas. :::: ::::   Gene Buckle wrote: ::::   > ::::   > Isn't he the former chief designer of the Cougar? ::::   > ::::   > g. ::::   > ::::   > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Thomas Nepveu wrote: ::::   > ::::   > > Hi all, ::::   > > ::::   > > A friend of mine, Guillaume "Dimebug" Levele, sell a TQS ::::   handle. ::::   > > ::::   > > It is brand new, never mounted in a fighter. ::::   > > Above there is 2 links to pics of the beast. ::::   > > He asks 300 Euros for it, buyer will pay shipping cost and ::::   import tax if ::::   > > applicable. ::::   > > btw, he is located in France, so buyers in EEC will not ::::   pay import tax ::::   > > and shipping cost will be cheap (around 15-20€ I guess). ::::   > > ::::   > > You can reach Dimebug at dimebug@caramail.com . ::::   > > ::::   > > Regards. ::::   > > Thomas "Lapin" Nepveu. ::::   > > ::::   > > Pics : ::::   > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/tqs2small.jpg ::::   > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/DSC00973small.jpg ::::   > > ::::   > > PS : Please note than I act just as an intermediary for ::::   this deal. ::::   > > Contact Dimebug directly if you are interressed. ::::   > > _______________________________________________ ::::   > > Simpits-tech mailing list ::::   > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org ::::   > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech ::::   > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom ::::   of the above page.  Thanks! ::::   > > ::::   > ::::   > _______________________________________________ ::::   > Simpits-tech mailing list ::::   > Simpits-tech@simpits.org ::::   > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech ::::   > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of ::::   the above page.  Thanks! ::::   _______________________________________________ ::::   Simpits-tech mailing list ::::   Simpits-tech@simpits.org ::::   http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech ::::   To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of ::::   the above page.  Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 03:10:57 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:10:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Real F16 TQS handle for sale In-Reply-To: <200211142308.PAA30084@uridium.deltasoft.com> Message-ID: He probably needs the money more than the grip. Thrustmaster rewarded him and his team by downsizing them. Merry fscking xmas, eh? g. On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Steve Wilson wrote: > Obviously doesn't need this old thing now.... > > -- > Steve Wilson, mafsix@attbi.com on 11/14/2002 > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:07:16 +0100, Thomas Nepveu wrote: > :::: > ::::   he is.... > :::: > ::::   Thomas. > :::: > ::::   Gene Buckle wrote: > ::::   > > ::::   > Isn't he the former chief designer of the Cougar? > ::::   > > ::::   > g. > ::::   > > ::::   > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Thomas Nepveu wrote: > ::::   > > ::::   > > Hi all, > ::::   > > > ::::   > > A friend of mine, Guillaume "Dimebug" Levele, sell a TQS > ::::   handle. > ::::   > > > ::::   > > It is brand new, never mounted in a fighter. > ::::   > > Above there is 2 links to pics of the beast. > ::::   > > He asks 300 Euros for it, buyer will pay shipping cost and > ::::   import tax if > ::::   > > applicable. > ::::   > > btw, he is located in France, so buyers in EEC will not > ::::   pay import tax > ::::   > > and shipping cost will be cheap (around 15-20€ I guess). > ::::   > > > ::::   > > You can reach Dimebug at dimebug@caramail.com . > ::::   > > > ::::   > > Regards. > ::::   > > Thomas "Lapin" Nepveu. > ::::   > > > ::::   > > Pics : > ::::   > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/tqs2small.jpg > ::::   > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dimebug/DSC00973small.jpg > ::::   > > > ::::   > > PS : Please note than I act just as an intermediary for > ::::   this deal. > ::::   > > Contact Dimebug directly if you are interressed. > ::::   > > _______________________________________________ > ::::   > > Simpits-tech mailing list > ::::   > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > ::::   > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > ::::   > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom > ::::   of the above page.  Thanks! > ::::   > > > ::::   > > ::::   > _______________________________________________ > ::::   > Simpits-tech mailing list > ::::   > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > ::::   > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > ::::   > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of > ::::   the above page.  Thanks! > ::::   _______________________________________________ > ::::   Simpits-tech mailing list > ::::   Simpits-tech@simpits.org > ::::   http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > ::::   To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of > ::::   the above page.  Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 15:42:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:42:41 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel construction Message-ID: <004a01c28cbd$a744b280$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C28CC6.03E75260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all ! I'm in the process with my MFD panels, and i have made it of 4mm black plastic i have placed a 5" LCD in it about 3 cm behind the front and i want to cover it on the front with some transperant film that do not lower the quality of the LCD but at the same time when there is no light, it is impossible to se the LCDbehind the film... What film too use ???? 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------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C28CC6.03E75260-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 15:59:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:59:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel construction In-Reply-To: <004a01c28cbd$a744b280$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Message-ID: Frank, you might want to use a 1/16th" thick sheet of lightly smoked lexan. g. On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > Hi all ! > I'm in the process with my MFD panels, and i have made > it of 4mm black plastic i have placed a 5" LCD in it about > 3 cm behind the front and i want to cover it on the front > with some transperant film that do not lower the quality of > the LCD but at the same time when there is no light, it > is impossible to se the LCDbehind the film... > > What film too use ???? > > (sorry about the english, it can be hard to explain) > > All the best > > Frank Riedel > Mobil 2424 4169 > frank@rezultat.dk > www.rezultat.dk > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 17:18:38 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:18:38 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel construction References: Message-ID: <007001c28ccb$099d03d0$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> THANKS g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Panel construction > Frank, you might want to use a 1/16th" thick sheet of lightly smoked > lexan. > > g. > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > Hi all ! > > I'm in the process with my MFD panels, and i have made > > it of 4mm black plastic i have placed a 5" LCD in it about > > 3 cm behind the front and i want to cover it on the front > > with some transperant film that do not lower the quality of > > the LCD but at the same time when there is no light, it > > is impossible to se the LCDbehind the film... > > > > What film too use ???? > > > > (sorry about the english, it can be hard to explain) > > > > All the best > > > > Frank Riedel > > Mobil 2424 4169 > > frank@rezultat.dk > > www.rezultat.dk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 17:19:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marv De Beque) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:19:02 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel construction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Surprised Gene didn't recommend lightly smoked trout. ;-) On 11/15/02 10:59 AM, "Gene Buckle" wrote: > Frank, you might want to use a 1/16th" thick sheet of lightly smoked > lexan. > > g. > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > >> Hi all ! >> I'm in the process with my MFD panels, and i have made >> it of 4mm black plastic i have placed a 5" LCD in it about >> 3 cm behind the front and i want to cover it on the front >> with some transperant film that do not lower the quality of >> the LCD but at the same time when there is no light, it >> is impossible to se the LCDbehind the film... >> >> What film too use ???? >> >> (sorry about the english, it can be hard to explain) >> >> All the best >> >> Frank Riedel >> Mobil 2424 4169 >> frank@rezultat.dk >> www.rezultat.dk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 17:24:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:24:21 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel construction Message-ID: <200211151636.IAA03857@uridium.deltasoft.com> Or perhaps automotive window tint film if you can't find a light smoker willing to part with his previously smoked lexan. Steve > Frank, you might want to use a 1/16th" thick sheet of lightly smoked > lexan. > > g. > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > Hi all ! > > I'm in the process with my MFD panels, and i have made > > it of 4mm black plastic i have placed a 5" LCD in it about > > 3 cm behind the front and i want to cover it on the front > > with some transperant film that do not lower the quality of > > the LCD but at the same time when there is no light, it > > is impossible to se the LCDbehind the film... > > > > What film too use ???? > > > > (sorry about the english, it can be hard to explain) > > > > All the best > > > > Frank Riedel > > Mobil 2424 4169 > > frank@rezultat.dk > > www.rezultat.dk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 17:34:20 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:34:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel construction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Humph. Smoking it breaks down the cell bonds too much. It won't stay together when I smack you upside your fool head with it. :) I may change to Swordfish though. It's so much better at making pointed arguments. :) g. On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Marv De Beque wrote: > Surprised Gene didn't recommend lightly smoked trout. ;-) > > On 11/15/02 10:59 AM, "Gene Buckle" wrote: > > > Frank, you might want to use a 1/16th" thick sheet of lightly smoked > > lexan. > > > > g. > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > >> Hi all ! > >> I'm in the process with my MFD panels, and i have made > >> it of 4mm black plastic i have placed a 5" LCD in it about > >> 3 cm behind the front and i want to cover it on the front > >> with some transperant film that do not lower the quality of > >> the LCD but at the same time when there is no light, it > >> is impossible to se the LCDbehind the film... > >> > >> What film too use ???? > >> > >> (sorry about the english, it can be hard to explain) > >> > >> All the best > >> > >> Frank Riedel > >> Mobil 2424 4169 > >> frank@rezultat.dk > >> www.rezultat.dk > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 17:33:45 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:33:45 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] IRC Message-ID: I'm in the chat room being bored, stop by... irc.openprojects.net #simpits Brian _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 17:46:44 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] IRC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Will do! :) g. On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Brian Sikkema wrote: > I'm in the chat room being bored, stop by... > > irc.openprojects.net > #simpits > > Brian > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 19:39:13 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Stuart Whelan) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:39:13 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] IRC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c28cde$ad99c780$0100a8c0@BEASTIE> Bit late, but I am there now... All alone.. :( > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:47 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] IRC > > > Will do! :) > > g. > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Brian Sikkema wrote: > > > I'm in the chat room being bored, stop by... > > > > irc.openprojects.net > > #simpits > > > > Brian > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom > of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of > the above page. Thanks! > > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 20:31:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:31:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] IRC In-Reply-To: <000201c28cde$ad99c780$0100a8c0@BEASTIE> Message-ID: We'll be back! :) g. On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Stuart Whelan wrote: > Bit late, but I am there now... > > All alone.. :( > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:47 AM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] IRC > > > > > > Will do! :) > > > > g. > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Brian Sikkema wrote: > > > > > I'm in the chat room being bored, stop by... > > > > > > irc.openprojects.net > > > #simpits > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom > > of the above page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of > > the above page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 15 21:11:06 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Stuart Whelan) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:11:06 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Using EpiCentre? Message-ID: <000401c28ceb$86937890$0100a8c0@BEASTIE> Is anyone out there using EpiCentre with the Rev D ISA epic card? I have about given up on it. :( Epicentre never 'finds' my card, but I am not sure what is needed to get it running. Any tips? From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 16 16:44:17 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:44:17 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] www.Deltawing.com References: Message-ID: <000f01c28d8f$686144c0$8ade08d0@betty> Thanks for the information. I am certain that a few people out there will find a use for your instructor console. I can see a real use for such an item. Being able to respond to emergencies in the cockpit is the real art of flying. Those persons interested in making a simulated aircraft as an instructional aid will need something like this, every flying school should have something like this to teach cockpit emergency procedures.Being as it will work equally as well for a Cessna 172 as a Boeing 747 it shows a wonderful adaptive ability suitable to a wide range of needs. I also noticed that you folks make custom backlit panels any idea as to the cost of individual panels? I hope you had a great time helping your friend with his/her home. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deltawing" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] www.Deltawing.com > Sorry for the late response. I was doing construction on a friends house > till the wee hours of the night last night and had full day today. > > However, I did want to apologize to the group for the post regarding > deltawing.com. It was not my intention to make it look like a sales pitch, > but it did come out that way. I will be sure to contact Gene regarding a > link on the simpits site. I also wanted to thank Rob for his questions. > > The Instructor Console can be customized for each individual aircraft. It > is preconfigured for the aircraft's that ship with flight sim but can be > customized for any new aircraft you may add. You can customize things like, > which gauges are shown and how they are scaled, you can customize the > autopilot to match an aircrafts features, you can use it with EPIC to send > events to your epic systems. I would suggest downloading the User Guide. > It should give you a pretty good idea what you can do with it. > http://www.deltawing.com/documents/ICUserGuide.pdf > (Some people are having trouble opening this in a browser, you might just > want to download it or if you want to contact me directly I can email you a > copy) > > Our Rotary Encoder Modules could be used on autopilot panels, FEES panels, > overheads, radio stacks, etc. Just about anywhere you need a rotary switch > to be plumed to a keystroke. The Rotary Encoder Modules create > alpha/numeric keystrokes that can be sent to any software application, > including Flight Simulator or Project Magenta software, directly via the > keyboard port. You simply install the rotary encoders, connect the outputs > from the ENC 302/351 boards to the appropriate inputs of one or more > Hagstrom KE series key encoders and you're ready to go. > > The ENC 302 has a single rotary encoder, thus, two outputs > (counter-clockwise and clockwise) that can be connected to one or two > separate Hagstrom boards. The ENC 351 has four rotary encoders, thus, eight > outputs that can be connected to one or more (up to eight separate) Hagstrom > boards. The ENC 302 and ENC351 have terminal blocks for easy connection. > The boards can even be ordered as bundles with the Hagstrom boards. You can > order these as bundles and simply tell us which keystrokes you desire for > the counter-clockwise and clockwise rotation for each rotary encoder. > > Please don't hesitate to ask any further questions. > > Thanks, > Chris Barnett > LAS . Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.417 / Virus Database: 233 - Release Date: 11/8/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 16 21:01:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:01:21 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Real F16 Side Stick Base Details? In-Reply-To: <3DD41E94.ABE4C5CE@nordnet.fr> Message-ID: <000001c28db3$51205110$0100a8c0@main> In an attempt to turn my Cougar into a force based stick, I've been fooling around with some LVDTs I bought from eBay. I've got a crude 1 axis "bending beam"/LVDT stick connected to my Cougar's potentiometer input. Now I have to design the final mod. Question: Does anyone have information about the inner works of the F-16's base? I'd sure like to see how the real design works before I try to reinvent the wheel. Thanks y'all, Craig R. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 16 22:12:54 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:12:54 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Real F16 Side Stick Base Details? In-Reply-To: <000001c28db3$51205110$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <000001c28dbd$4fd527e0$0100a8c0@main> Here's pic of the test rig: http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpict ures/lvdt_stick.jpg -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Craig Rochester Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:01 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Real F16 Side Stick Base Details? In an attempt to turn my Cougar into a force based stick, I've been fooling around with some LVDTs I bought from eBay. I've got a crude 1 axis "bending beam"/LVDT stick connected to my Cougar's potentiometer input. Now I have to design the final mod. Question: Does anyone have information about the inner works of the F-16's base? I'd sure like to see how the real design works before I try to reinvent the wheel. Thanks y'all, Craig R. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 17 23:51:44 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Suwanrit In-on) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:51:44 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel construction Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 008328FB47256C74_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Frank, If you can't see letter when nolight Why you don't try to use some light source (IE. white color LED) put in the side area of LCD panel. I used to try this in my LCD panel but it just a small LCD (20 Chars 4 lines). It 's OK. Suwanrit. Please respond to simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent by: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org To: cc: Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel construction Hi all ! I'm in the process with my MFD panels, and i have made it of 4mm black plastic i have placed a 5" LCD in it about 3 cm behind the front and i want to cover it on the front with some transperant film that do not lower the quality of the LCD but at the same time when there is no light, it is impossible to se the LCDbehind the film... What film too use ???? (sorry about the english, it can be hard to explain) All the best Frank Riedel Mobil 2424 4169 frank@rezultat.dk www.rezultat.dk --=_alternative 008328FB47256C74_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Frank,

If you can't see letter when nolight Why you don't try to use some light source (IE. white color LED)
put in the side area of LCD panel. I used to try this in my LCD panel but it just a small LCD (20 Chars 4 lines).
It 's OK.

Suwanrit.


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Hi all !
I'm in the process with my MFD panels, and i have made
it of 4mm black plastic i have placed a 5" LCD in it about
3 cm behind the front and i want to cover it on the front
with some transperant film that do not lower the quality of
the LCD but at the same time when there is no light, it
is impossible to se the LCDbehind the film...
 
What film too use ????
 
(sorry about the english, it can be hard to explain)
 
All the best

Frank Riedel
Mobil 2424 4169
frank@rezultat.dk
www.rezultat.dk

--=_alternative 008328FB47256C74_=-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 09:09:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:09:12 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Saturday update Message-ID: <000901c28ee2$29b78000$9dde08d0@betty> This Saturday just in an effort to get a better understanding as to how the thing worked Gene and myself completely disassembled a 42 in Toshiba rear projection television. I have always been one to scrounge up things and when this thing was dumped in my lap of course I was going to take it. I wanted to see how it worked and what ever parts of it I thought I might have a later use for I was going to set aside for future use. I think every Simpitter has this problem, the need to acquire stuff. The disassemble began with the removal of the front screen, I had thought it might be a translucent screen that I could make use of later. I was so ever wrong instead it turned out to be a 42 in fresnel lens. This next summer I will be in ant burning heaven with this little beastie. You would be surprised to find out how much fun you can have with a giant magnifying glass visit the following site and learn more http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/games/showcards/A/ant_city.html . Once the giant lens was removed Gene began the process of removal of the projector lens themselves there we found that each lens was attached to a small 7 in CRT. I have to assume that each CRT represented a single color of cyan red and magenta, as the TV was inoperative we were unable to confirm this and we really did not want to go to the trouble of getting this beast in working shape. The lens assembly was a bit peculiar in itself as the main lens itself appeared to be a spherical lens then hidden within the assembly was a second lens made of plastic which was of a spherical shape as well. Between the lens and the CRT was another surprise a chamber which was filled with a fluid. The fluid was very slightly greasy feeling having the viscosity of water. I assume that the fluid was used to keep the CRT from over heating and was of a optical neutral material. The three projector lenses were aim upon an angled trapezoidal shaped mirror which reflected the image upon the fresnel lens. Hmmm, spherical lenses upon a trapezoidal mirror onto a fresnel lens which is a spherical lens as well. They are trying to make use of the spherical lens as an asset instead of a liability as most find it. A spherical lens has an infinite number of focal lengths as we all well know. This creates spherical aberration most often reflected in its color handling but if you have three lenses with three different paths to the fresnel lens then you have no problem with focal length. The color aberration problems associated with fresnel lenses goes away as each lens find its path to the fresnel lens without concern for a single point source and then the final fresnel lens magnifies the image to the viewer, no problems, elegant solution. Another unusual item discovered were the fact that thy made use of a single flyback transformer to power all three CRT's. The cabinet was emptied of it's electronics and optics and left me with a case to make use of. The fact that it was on casters for ease of movement encouraged me to find a use for it. The over head projector we are using to create the forward view is currently resting upon a 2X10 suspended by two ladders this is something which needed to be corrected. The top of the cabinet was quickly removed and the sides of the cabinet were cut down to give the proper height needed to accommodate this task The top replaced and finally a coat of gray paint was applied to the cabinet. While I was working on the cabinet Gene amused himself with the task of the Bit panel. The Bit Panel will require a total of 65 wires as each of the lamps in the panel itself is really two lamps and the rotary switch is going to take another awful lot of wires to get it together. The Bit Panel harness will take more than a thousand feet of wire alone to finish. Gene made the comment that when he had previously heard comments of Boeing having put 5000 miles of wire into an aircraft he sort of wondered where the heck it all went. Now we all know the truth they used it. Well that about sums up the work we did on the Sim that day, we spent the ev ening watching The Sum of All Fears. A good movie that while it wasn't the book was a good movie just the same. How did the rest of the crowd spent their Saturday? Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 10:14:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marc Teichtahl (mteichta)) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:14:04 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Using EpiCentre? Message-ID: Stuart, Epicenter wont work with the ISA cards... You can use epicenter to code the EPL but then use the dos tool load it into the ISA card. Furthermore, you will need the very very latest epicio.dll. If you need this email me off list (marct@epicmapper.com) and ill send it to you -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Whelan [mailto:buffy@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:11 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Using EpiCentre? Is anyone out there using EpiCentre with the Rev D ISA epic card? I have about given up on it. :( Epicentre never 'finds' my card, but I am not sure what is needed to get it running. Any tips? _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 11:49:29 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chris Brace) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:49:29 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Phidget Radio update Message-ID: <000c01c28ef8$8daa5860$4601a8c0@olympus> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C28F65.84A3A060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, just a quick update on the progress of my C172 Radio project. Ive completed the panel design artwork and drilling diagram. Drilled and mounted the radio into the chassis. I was surprised at how accurately I could can drill this stuff. I printed out and glued the drilling diagram to the plastic sheet (4.5mm clear perspecs). Then drilled all the various holes (all 124 of them!!). A couple of minutes washing in warm soapy water saw all the drilling diagram come off, and a really nice panel ready for components. Easy. Next is the graphics. I want backlit panels. The first plan is to print a negative image using my inkjet. The reason for inkjet is that the coverage is better than toner from a laser. The downside is that the ink doesnt dry that well and it always a little tacky. My solution to this is to spray paint the negative on the back with white enamel paint (doing that tomorrow). This will give me the white lettering and graphics on the inside of the sheet. Turn it over, cut ou the holes for the 7seg LED's in the right place, and glue and mount on the panel face. Hope it works, will let you all know. The panel itself is designed to mount on a chassis (see pixs) so that it can be either panel mounted of stand alone (much like the GoFlight kit). This version is mounted in the standalone chassis, but undo the 4 screws and the stand comes away, and the panel will mount directly into the (planned) C172 panel. Im finalising the artwork and backlighting details now, and them should have some more photo's of it up and running. Picture are available, checkout them out on my website (HYPERLINK "http://www.chrisb.co.nz"www.chrisb.co.nz) Under simulator section, Phidgets & C172 radio. Cheers Chris. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 3/10/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C28F65.84A3A060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Folks, = just a quick=20 update on the progress of my C172 Radio project.
Ive = completed the=20 panel design artwork and drilling diagram. Drilled and mounted the = radio=20 into the chassis.
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Next = is the=20 graphics.
I want = backlit=20 panels. The first plan is to print a negative image using my inkjet. The = reason=20 for inkjet is that the coverage is better than toner from a laser. The = downside=20 is that the ink doesnt dry that well and it always a little tacky. My = solution=20 to this is to spray paint the negative on the back with white = enamel paint=20 (doing that tomorrow). This will give me the white lettering and = graphics on the=20 inside of the sheet. Turn it over, cut ou the holes for the 7seg LED's = in the=20 right place, and glue and mount on the panel face. Hope it works, will = let=20 you all know. 
 
 The panel=20 itself is designed to mount on a chassis (see pixs) so that it = can be=20 either panel mounted of stand alone (much like the GoFlight kit). This = version=20 is mounted in the standalone chassis, but undo the 4 screws and the = stand comes=20 away, and the panel will mount directly into the (planned) C172=20 panel.
 
Im = finalising the=20 artwork and backlighting details now, and them should have some = more=20 photo's of it up and running. Picture are available, = checkout = them out on=20 my website (www.chrisb.co.nz) = Under=20 simulator section, Phidgets & C172 radio.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C28F65.84A3A060-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 12:41:48 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:41:48 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Saturday update Message-ID: >How did the rest of the crowd spent their Saturday? Er... Slept until 11... *ponder* I think there was some history channel and comedy central in there somewhere... Some work on my MUD... Dorking around on the 'net... It was fun at the time, but man, you just made me feel like a giant slacker! :P Brian _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 12:48:54 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Erwin Neyt) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:48:54 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Saturday update Message-ID: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B7882050@URANUS> Nice info Rob, > same. How did the rest of the crowd spent their Saturday? Well, last Saturday I visited the 'making of' probably the most acurate F-16A replica ever build. The right console was finished, so I went over and took measurement. (Yes I will work them out and post them). The construction is fully build out of aluminium. The measures taken have been verified to be within 1 mm (0,039"). Once it has been painted I am sure there will be no means left to distinguish it from the real thing. It's the tiny details which make the difference. Even the rivets and screwsheads are builds from scratch in order to be exact. Unbelievable work. I want this too! I am going for a alu pit, that is one thing I am now sure of now. All in all, a very motivating experience. Erwin. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 15:54:58 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:54:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Saturday update Message-ID: <20021118155458.71049.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> I spent the entire day escorting my squadron's cadets to Memphis to see a 40 minute IMAX film about the space station. Was up at 0630 and got home at 2200. Justin ----------------------------------------- Well that about sums up the work we did on the Sim that day, we spent the ev ening watching The Sum of All Fears. A good movie that while it wasn't the book was a good movie just the same. How did the rest of the crowd spent their Saturday? Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 16:27:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:27:10 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Saturday update In-Reply-To: <20021118155458.71049.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021118111701.00a47330@incoming.verizon.net> --=====================_1243598==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Gents, how did i spend my saturday? why, playing "Earth & Beyond", of course. E&B is the first massive multiplayer role-oriented game set in space. i 'wilcoed with 2 other close friends, and had adventures like in no other simulation or game. http://www.earthandbeyond.ea.com/ seriously, don't even _think_ about getting it. it will take a serious shot at taking all your spare time. it directly connects to those same nerve centers that say "heroin good, get more heroin". i'm they guy who will be fodder to the sharks, while you all swim away. "SWIM AWAY!!!!! SWIM AWAY!!!!!!! SWI - adm- ---------- Alan D. Mazurka Webspace Design & Implementation adm.design@verizon.net --=====================_1243598==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Gents,

how did i spend my saturday?

why, playing "Earth & Beyond", of course. E&B is the first massive multiplayer role-oriented game set in space. i 'wilcoed with 2 other close friends, and had adventures like in no other simulation or game.

http://www.earthandbeyond.ea.com/

seriously, don't even _think_ about getting it. it will take a serious shot at taking all your spare time. it directly connects to those same nerve centers that say "heroin good, get more heroin".

i'm they guy who will be fodder to the sharks, while you all swim away.

"SWIM AWAY!!!!! SWIM AWAY!!!!!!! SWI<glub glubbglub>

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--=====================_1243598==_.ALT-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 16:47:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:47:04 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Saturday update In-Reply-To: <000901c28ee2$29b78000$9dde08d0@betty> References: <000901c28ee2$29b78000$9dde08d0@betty> Message-ID: <323238116.20021118174704@gmx.net> RH> How did the rest of the crowd spent RH> their Saturday? working on the pit of course ;). ok, and playing volleyball (also, of course *g*).. I'm working on the center and front consoles V2.0. seems to look ALOT closer to the original than the previous version :) . greetings michi ******************** The Multipit www.f16simulator.net ******************** From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 20:42:26 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:42:26 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim Message-ID: Hi To all: My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body have any dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an airline pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where to obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" moniters as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm these dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. SEB _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 18 23:28:28 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (belleye) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:28:28 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim References: Message-ID: <011101c28f5a$358a9b60$5f24a118@nycap.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Frazier To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > Hi To all: > My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body have any > dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as > accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an airline > pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where to > obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" moniters > as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm these > dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. > SEB > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 19 07:04:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:04:10 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim References: Message-ID: <003601c28f99$dc986ba0$9dde08d0@betty> Welcome to the nut house Sebastian, you will find among the membership several list members who are building a 747 and one or two which have 747 cockpits. Try looking around the Simpits website http://www.simpits.org for the information you are looking for. This request comes up several times a year. In order to help you please try to keep your questions as precise as possible if you need the dimension of a specific panel then some person will be able to help you. If you need the overall angles, dimensions heights widths lengths etc then someone will be able to help as well but the more precise your question the better the answer. Tell us a bit about your success and failures in creating your pit, how did you build the frame or is this going to be an open cockpit? How will you be displaying your forward views, multiple monitors, projection. Have you determined if you will be doing the overhead panels as of yet? Show pictures, we want pictures. This list group has members willing to help, provided they find the time. It is pit building season again now that everyone is finished with their summer activities. Keep 'em flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Frazier" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > Hi To all: > My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body have any > dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as > accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an airline > pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where to > obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" moniters > as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm these > dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. > SEB > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 19 08:28:18 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (F16) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:28:18 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] New F-16 Books Message-ID: <01C28FAE.2A2D79A0.f16@xflight.de> I have found two new F-16 books in very good quality. The first book is: Lockheed Martin F-16 A/B/C/D Danny Coremans & Nico Deboeck DACO Publishings ISBN 90-806747-1-0 EUR 29,95 This book (format 20x24cm) have 128 pages with all colored pictures. You can see many details around the F-16. A big cockpit section with more than new 70 pictures are included. The cockpit pictures are from a F-16A Block 10, the MLU version and from the F-16C Block 40. Is is a modern successor of Lock-On. For me, it is a must for F-16 builder. The other book is: The "AirForces Monthly" Book of the F-16 Fighting Falcon Tim Senior Key Books ISBN 0-946219-60-5 EUR 20,59 This book (format 26x36cm) have 95 pages with lots of color pictures of the F-16A and F-16C airborne and on ground (only 3 pictures about the cockpit). At the end a list of delivered F-16, destination, Squad, etc. Regards, Martin "Pegasus" From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 19 10:27:53 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Erwin Neyt) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:27:53 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] New F-16 Books Message-ID: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788205D@URANUS> Martin, I saw this book last saturday. I can recommend it to all F-16 fans out there. Great photo's!! I suspect they even used a mirror to photograph some hard to shoot details. Erwin. > Lockheed Martin F-16 A/B/C/D > Danny Coremans & Nico Deboeck > DACO Publishings > ISBN 90-806747-1-0 > EUR 29,95 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 19 17:30:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:30:05 +0100 Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] New F-16 Books In-Reply-To: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788205D@URANUS> References: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788205D@URANUS> Message-ID: <16224867747.20021119183005@gmx.net> I own a copy of the book since April and can tell you - it's incredible :-) greetings michi >> Lockheed Martin F-16 A/B/C/D >> Danny Coremans & Nico Deboeck >> DACO Publishings >> ISBN 90-806747-1-0 >> EUR 29,95 ******************** The Multipit www.f16simulator.net ******************** From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 19 18:20:39 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:20:39 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim Message-ID: I'm building a model of the simulator in 1/72 scale to see what problembs there are. This is my other hobby, model building, so I'm pretty handy. I have pictures for the Cathay Pacific 747's which is the airline I'm hopping to fly for. I just need over all dimentions with angles for the pedestal, and overhead panel. I'm going to Metro for my aviation school. They have a DC-10 sim, so I can send some pics, and dimentions for those wanting to build one. Thanks all. SEB >From: "Rob Hommel" >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:04:10 -0800 > >Welcome to the nut house Sebastian, you will find among the membership >several list members who are building a 747 and one or two which have 747 >cockpits. Try looking around the Simpits website http://www.simpits.org for >the information you are looking for. This request comes up several times a >year. In order to help you please try to keep your questions as precise as >possible if you need the dimension of a specific panel then some person >will >be able to help you. If you need the overall angles, dimensions heights >widths lengths etc then someone will be able to help as well but the more >precise your question the better the answer. > >Tell us a bit about your success and failures in creating your pit, how did >you build the frame or is this going to be an open cockpit? How will you be >displaying your forward views, multiple monitors, projection. Have you >determined if you will be doing the overhead panels as of yet? Show >pictures, we want pictures. > >This list group has members willing to help, provided they find the time. >It >is pit building season again now that everyone is finished with their >summer >activities. > >Keep 'em flying >Rob Hommel >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jonas Frazier" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:42 PM >Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > > Hi To all: > > My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body have >any > > dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as > > accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an airline > > pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where to > > obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" >moniters > > as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm >these > > dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. > > SEB > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 19 21:46:01 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:46:01 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim References: Message-ID: <000701c29015$0e2342a0$f9bc1ad0@betty> Sebastian I haven't heard of anyone else doing this. Building it in 1/72 scale really won't reveal any of the problems what it will do however is further familiarize you with the aircraft and you will have something physical for you to help you hang on to your dream. It is good that you have already decided upon the model and airline you will be building for as each carrier does have it's changes to the standard aircraft cockpit. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Frazier" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > > > > I'm building a model of the simulator in 1/72 scale to see what problembs > there are. This is my other hobby, model building, so I'm pretty handy. I > have pictures for the Cathay Pacific 747's which is the airline I'm hopping > to fly for. I just need over all dimentions with angles for the pedestal, > and overhead panel. I'm going to Metro for my aviation school. They have a > DC-10 sim, so I can send some pics, and dimentions for those wanting to > build one. Thanks all. > SEB > > >From: "Rob Hommel" > >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >To: > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:04:10 -0800 > > > >Welcome to the nut house Sebastian, you will find among the membership > >several list members who are building a 747 and one or two which have 747 > >cockpits. Try looking around the Simpits website http://www.simpits.org for > >the information you are looking for. This request comes up several times a > >year. In order to help you please try to keep your questions as precise as > >possible if you need the dimension of a specific panel then some person > >will > >be able to help you. If you need the overall angles, dimensions heights > >widths lengths etc then someone will be able to help as well but the more > >precise your question the better the answer. > > > >Tell us a bit about your success and failures in creating your pit, how did > >you build the frame or is this going to be an open cockpit? How will you be > >displaying your forward views, multiple monitors, projection. Have you > >determined if you will be doing the overhead panels as of yet? Show > >pictures, we want pictures. > > > >This list group has members willing to help, provided they find the time. > >It > >is pit building season again now that everyone is finished with their > >summer > >activities. > > > >Keep 'em flying > >Rob Hommel > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jonas Frazier" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:42 PM > >Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > > > > > Hi To all: > > > My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body have > >any > > > dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as > > > accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an airline > > > pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where to > > > obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" > >moniters > > > as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm > >these > > > dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. > > > SEB > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > >page. 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Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 19 22:11:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:11:37 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim Message-ID: Hi: What's a good way of building the outer skin? I'm thinking of small fiberglass panels attached to a wooden frame. Or would building the skin up in layers of thin plywood? Thanks. I'm sorry for any one who is angry at any thing that I've said. >From: "Rob Hommel" >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim >Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:46:01 -0800 > >Sebastian > >I haven't heard of anyone else doing this. Building it in 1/72 scale really >won't reveal any of the problems what it will do however is further >familiarize you with the aircraft and you will have something physical for >you to help you hang on to your dream. > >It is good that you have already decided upon the model and airline you >will >be building for as each carrier does have it's changes to the standard >aircraft cockpit. > >Keep 'em Flying >Rob Hommel >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jonas Frazier" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:20 AM >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm building a model of the simulator in 1/72 scale to see what >problembs > > there are. This is my other hobby, model building, so I'm pretty >handy. >I > > have pictures for the Cathay Pacific 747's which is the airline I'm >hopping > > to fly for. I just need over all dimentions with angles for the >pedestal, > > and overhead panel. I'm going to Metro for my aviation school. They have >a > > DC-10 sim, so I can send some pics, and dimentions for those wanting >to > > build one. Thanks all. > > SEB > > > > >From: "Rob Hommel" > > >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:04:10 -0800 > > > > > >Welcome to the nut house Sebastian, you will find among the membership > > >several list members who are building a 747 and one or two which have >747 > > >cockpits. Try looking around the Simpits website http://www.simpits.org >for > > >the information you are looking for. This request comes up several >times >a > > >year. In order to help you please try to keep your questions as precise >as > > >possible if you need the dimension of a specific panel then some person > > >will > > >be able to help you. If you need the overall angles, dimensions heights > > >widths lengths etc then someone will be able to help as well but the >more > > >precise your question the better the answer. > > > > > >Tell us a bit about your success and failures in creating your pit, how >did > > >you build the frame or is this going to be an open cockpit? How will >you >be > > >displaying your forward views, multiple monitors, projection. Have you > > >determined if you will be doing the overhead panels as of yet? Show > > >pictures, we want pictures. > > > > > >This list group has members willing to help, provided they find the >time. > > >It > > >is pit building season again now that everyone is finished with their > > >summer > > >activities. > > > > > >Keep 'em flying > > >Rob Hommel > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jonas Frazier" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:42 PM > > >Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > > > > > > > > Hi To all: > > > > My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body >have > > >any > > > > dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as > > > > accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an >airline > > > > pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where >to > > > > obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" > > >moniters > > > > as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm > > >these > > > > dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. > > > > SEB > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above > > >page. 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Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 20 08:28:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:28:41 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim References: Message-ID: <000601c2906e$d5c0a650$6fde08d0@betty> Sebastian There is no right way of doing this, some folks have used plywood others have used foam coated with fiberglass others have used sheet metal some have done it with cardboard. The best way to approach a problem like this is to examine your resources, money and materials and go from there. As you are going to be building a 747 take a look around the internet and among the Simpits membership and find others who have built a 747 establish a rapport with them and seek their advice. I am certain that you will hear stories which will bring fear to your heart and stories which will make your heart beat faster in anticipation of your own 747. I am looking forward to hearing from the 747 crowd which seems to be ironically quiet lately. As for anyone being angry with you, slap 'em with a fish and wake 'em up, they have rather thick skin and they don't get abused often enough. The slackers probably have their heads buried in about 500 miles of wire about now and they need to come up for air. Keep 'em flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Frazier" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > Hi: > What's a good way of building the outer skin? I'm thinking of small > fiberglass panels attached to a wooden frame. Or would building the skin up > in layers of thin plywood? Thanks. I'm sorry for any one who is angry at any > thing that I've said. > > > > > > > >From: "Rob Hommel" > >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >To: > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > >Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:46:01 -0800 > > > >Sebastian > > > >I haven't heard of anyone else doing this. Building it in 1/72 scale really > >won't reveal any of the problems what it will do however is further > >familiarize you with the aircraft and you will have something physical for > >you to help you hang on to your dream. > > > >It is good that you have already decided upon the model and airline you > >will > >be building for as each carrier does have it's changes to the standard > >aircraft cockpit. > > > >Keep 'em Flying > >Rob Hommel > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jonas Frazier" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:20 AM > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm building a model of the simulator in 1/72 scale to see what > >problembs > > > there are. This is my other hobby, model building, so I'm pretty > >handy. > >I > > > have pictures for the Cathay Pacific 747's which is the airline I'm > >hopping > > > to fly for. I just need over all dimentions with angles for the > >pedestal, > > > and overhead panel. I'm going to Metro for my aviation school. They have > >a > > > DC-10 sim, so I can send some pics, and dimentions for those wanting > >to > > > build one. Thanks all. > > > SEB > > > > > > >From: "Rob Hommel" > > > >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:04:10 -0800 > > > > > > > >Welcome to the nut house Sebastian, you will find among the membership > > > >several list members who are building a 747 and one or two which have > >747 > > > >cockpits. Try looking around the Simpits website http://www.simpits.org > >for > > > >the information you are looking for. This request comes up several > >times > >a > > > >year. In order to help you please try to keep your questions as precise > >as > > > >possible if you need the dimension of a specific panel then some person > > > >will > > > >be able to help you. If you need the overall angles, dimensions heights > > > >widths lengths etc then someone will be able to help as well but the > >more > > > >precise your question the better the answer. > > > > > > > >Tell us a bit about your success and failures in creating your pit, how > >did > > > >you build the frame or is this going to be an open cockpit? How will > >you > >be > > > >displaying your forward views, multiple monitors, projection. Have you > > > >determined if you will be doing the overhead panels as of yet? Show > > > >pictures, we want pictures. > > > > > > > >This list group has members willing to help, provided they find the > >time. > > > >It > > > >is pit building season again now that everyone is finished with their > > > >summer > > > >activities. > > > > > > > >Keep 'em flying > > > >Rob Hommel > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Jonas Frazier" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:42 PM > > > >Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi To all: > > > > > My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body > >have > > > >any > > > > > dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as > > > > > accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an > >airline > > > > > pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where > >to > > > > > obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" > > > >moniters > > > > > as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm > > > >these > > > > > dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. > > > > > SEB > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above > > > >page. 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Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 20 09:50:44 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (JRM) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:50:44 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] The Ejection Site References: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788205D@URANUS> Message-ID: Great ULR. "The ejection Site" http://users.bestweb.net/~kcoyne/ Regards. Juan Ramón Maestro From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 20 09:56:58 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (JRM) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:56:58 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] LT Mark Baden's (pilot) Account of the Incident References: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B788205D@URANUS> Message-ID: No words... http://www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/ Juan Ramon Maestro From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 20 11:08:50 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (JRM) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:08:50 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator References: <000901c28ee2$29b78000$9dde08d0@betty> <323238116.20021118174704@gmx.net> Message-ID: Great F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator Pics, check Acess II, F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator . Regards Juan Ramon Maestro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michi Hirczy" To: "Rob Hommel" Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Saturday update > RH> How did the rest of the crowd spent > RH> their Saturday? > > working on the pit of course ;). > ok, and playing volleyball (also, of course *g*).. > > I'm working on the center and front consoles V2.0. seems to look ALOT > closer to the original than the previous version :) . > > greetings > michi > > ******************** > The Multipit > www.f16simulator.net > ******************** > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 20 11:13:33 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marv De Beque) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:13:33 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please provide a link! ;-) On 11/20/02 6:08 AM, "JRM" wrote: > Great F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator Pics, check Acess II, F-16 > Maintainance Training Simulator . > > Regards > > Juan Ramon Maestro > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michi Hirczy" > To: "Rob Hommel" > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Saturday update > > >> RH> How did the rest of the crowd spent >> RH> their Saturday? >> >> working on the pit of course ;). >> ok, and playing volleyball (also, of course *g*).. >> >> I'm working on the center and front consoles V2.0. seems to look ALOT >> closer to the original than the previous version :) . >> >> greetings >> michi >> >> ******************** >> The Multipit >> www.f16simulator.net >> ******************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech@simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! >> > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 20 11:26:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marc Weigert) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:26:47 +0100 Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Marv, http://users.bestweb.net/~kcoyne/f16mts.htm that one looks really great!! :-P Cheers, Marc > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]Im Auftrag von Marv De Beque > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. November 2002 12:14 > An: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Betreff: Re: [simpits-tech] F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator > > > Please provide a link! ;-) > > > On 11/20/02 6:08 AM, "JRM" wrote: > > > Great F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator Pics, check Acess II, F-16 > > Maintainance Training Simulator . > > > > Regards > > > > Juan Ramon Maestro > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michi Hirczy" > > To: "Rob Hommel" > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Saturday update > > > > > >> RH> How did the rest of the crowd spent > >> RH> their Saturday? > >> > >> working on the pit of course ;). > >> ok, and playing volleyball (also, of course *g*).. > >> > >> I'm working on the center and front consoles V2.0. seems to look ALOT > >> closer to the original than the previous version :) . > >> > >> greetings > >> michi > >> > >> ******************** > >> The Multipit > >> www.f16simulator.net > >> ******************** > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Simpits-tech mailing list > >> Simpits-tech@simpits.org > >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. 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Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 20 14:28:11 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (JRM) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:28:11 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator References: Message-ID: Sorry Marv, stress job..... http://www.ejectionsite.com/f16mts.htm Juan Ramon Maestro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marv De Beque" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator > Please provide a link! ;-) > > > On 11/20/02 6:08 AM, "JRM" wrote: > > > Great F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator Pics, check Acess II, F-16 > > Maintainance Training Simulator . > > > > Regards > > > > Juan Ramon Maestro > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michi Hirczy" > > To: "Rob Hommel" > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Saturday update > > > > > >> RH> How did the rest of the crowd spent > >> RH> their Saturday? > >> > >> working on the pit of course ;). > >> ok, and playing volleyball (also, of course *g*).. > >> > >> I'm working on the center and front consoles V2.0. seems to look ALOT > >> closer to the original than the previous version :) . > >> > >> greetings > >> michi > >> > >> ******************** > >> The Multipit > >> www.f16simulator.net > >> ******************** > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Simpits-tech mailing list > >> Simpits-tech@simpits.org > >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 20 15:47:43 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (joab ryan) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:47:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 Maintainance Training Simulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021120154743.48555.qmail@web20604.mail.yahoo.com> You all know that Chris Woodul has alot of his seats on this site. Some great pics... --- JRM wrote: > Sorry Marv, stress job..... > > http://www.ejectionsite.com/f16mts.htm > > Juan Ramon Maestro ===== Joab Ryan Mechanical CAD Designer, Network Administrator & Military Aircraft Sim Builder North Texas USA http://www.360-designs.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 21 03:03:27 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:03:27 EST Subject: [simpits-tech] the ultimate simpitter Message-ID: <1a1.c078867.2b0da6ff@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871720300 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 21 21:28:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:28:37 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] the ultimate simpitter In-Reply-To: <1a1.c078867.2b0da6ff@aol.com> Message-ID: very neat, check out the missile silo home links on the site too, interesting. > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Inventmd@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:03 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: [simpits-tech] the ultimate simpitter > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871720300 > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 21 21:34:43 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:34:43 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] 747 tech info Message-ID: Hi: For all of you in need of some 747-400 info go to www.747cockpit.com. They have good information on the panels, and size of the cockpit. If any body has any dimentions for the inside, please contact me. Thanks. Jonas Frazier Also, I've got a web site up. www.geocities.com/dc10747/ thanks >From: Mike Williams >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] the ultimate simpitter >Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:28:37 -0500 > >very neat, check out the missile silo home links on the site too, >interesting. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Inventmd@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:03 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: [simpits-tech] the ultimate simpitter > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871720300 > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > above page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 21 21:45:40 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:45:40 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 747 tech info Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1107D@exchange.clearsky.dk> That is Steve "one of many" Smith - i was sort of wondering when he would jump in here.... Anybody heard from him lately? Steve where are you.... halloooo - anybody home......?!? /Stig -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Frazier [mailto:spitpilot40@hotmail.com] Sent: 21. november 2002 22:35 To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] 747 tech info Hi: For all of you in need of some 747-400 info go to www.747cockpit.com. They have good information on the panels, and size of the cockpit. If any body has any dimentions for the inside, please contact me. Thanks. Jonas Frazier Also, I've got a web site up. www.geocities.com/dc10747/ thanks From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 22 08:30:33 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Wombat) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:30:33 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Some viper images Message-ID: <200211221930.AA217776334@bosnjak.com> To all viper fans, Came accross these hi-res images; http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Viper.html Enjoy Regards, Joe [wombat] Bosnjak email: joe@bosnjak.com website: http://www.f-16cockpit.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 22 10:01:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6ltschi_Thomas?=) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:01:14 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Some viper images Message-ID: Really good collection! Thomas ---------------------------- Thomas Höltschi Staefa, Switzerland See my project at http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/thoeltschi/fsprj.htm -----Original Message----- From: Wombat [mailto:joe@bosnjak.com] Sent: Freitag, 22. November 2002 09:31 To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Some viper images To all viper fans, Came accross these hi-res images; http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Viper.html Enjoy Regards, Joe [wombat] Bosnjak email: joe@bosnjak.com website: http://www.f-16cockpit.com _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 22 12:10:46 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:10:46 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org Message-ID: Hey Guys, Gene's site has been chosen for the User Friendly Link of the Day! Head to www.userfriendly.org and check it out, down at the bottom of the page. Way to go, Gene! :) Hope that simpits link is nice and prominent on your page! :) Brian _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 22 15:25:52 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:25:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well that certainly explains why my internet connection is slow as molasses and the server looks like it just got mugged. :) I guess I should feel lucky that its not a full-on slashdotting. :) g. g. On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Hey Guys, > > Gene's site has been chosen for the User Friendly Link of the Day! Head to > www.userfriendly.org and check it out, down at the bottom of the page. Way > to go, Gene! :) Hope that simpits link is nice and prominent on your page! > :) > > Brian > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 22 16:52:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Andreas Fransson) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:52:21 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org References: Message-ID: <001a01c29247$875bf840$0a00a8c0@Valhalla> Congrats to Gene for being promo'ed (is that a word?...) on such an excellent site as User Friendly, and thanks to Brian for the heads-up! Andreas http://valhallainc.no-ip.com (new addy!) From: "Brian Sikkema" > Hey Guys, > > Gene's site has been chosen for the User Friendly Link of the Day! Head to > www.userfriendly.org and check it out, down at the bottom of the page. Way > to go, Gene! :) Hope that simpits link is nice and prominent on your page! > :) > > Brian From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 22 20:23:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:23:41 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org References: <001a01c29247$875bf840$0a00a8c0@Valhalla> Message-ID: <003001c29265$0d12c000$99bc1ad0@betty> Does this mean that Gene has to wear a dust bunny on his web site? Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Fransson" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > Congrats to Gene for being promo'ed (is that a word?...) on such an > excellent site as User Friendly, and thanks to Brian for the heads-up! > > Andreas > http://valhallainc.no-ip.com (new addy!) > > > From: "Brian Sikkema" > > Hey Guys, > > > > Gene's site has been chosen for the User Friendly Link of the Day! Head to > > www.userfriendly.org and check it out, down at the bottom of the page. Way > > to go, Gene! :) Hope that simpits link is nice and prominent on your page! > > :) > > > > Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 00:02:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:02:37 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org Message-ID: Well, it does make him elligable to wear the UFie consolation badge! - http://www.userfriendly.org/links/ (down at the bottom) Brian ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rob Hommel" Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org To: Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:23:41 -0800 Does this mean that Gene has to wear a dust bunny on his web site? Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Fransson" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > Congrats to Gene for being promo'ed (is that a word?...) on such an > excellent site as User Friendly, and thanks to Brian for the heads-up! > > Andreas > http://valhallainc.no-ip.com (new addy!) > > > From: "Brian Sikkema" > > Hey Guys, > > > > Gene's site has been chosen for the User Friendly Link of the Day! Head to > > www.userfriendly.org and check it out, down at the bottom of the page. Way > > to go, Gene! :) Hope that simpits link is nice and prominent on your page! > > :) > > > > Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 00:18:27 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:18:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Well, it does make him elligable to wear the UFie consolation badge! - > http://www.userfriendly.org/links/ (down at the bottom) > Forget it. Gene's usual attire is an old Snap-On Tools T-Shirt and a pink tutu ;) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 01:40:34 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:40:34 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org References: Message-ID: <000901c29291$518e03d0$ebde08d0@betty> Does anyone out there remember the calendar Rigid Tools used to offer featuring the "Rigid Tool Girl", they seem to have disappeared in this climate of Political Rightness. I miss seeing them around the old shop. BTW Gene's wife will not let him wear an old T-shirt of any kind. I think he does have an old tutu around someplace he doesn't seem to wear it out of the house. Roy, what kind of odd attire does your wife make you wear, you seem a bit like the kind that the wifey makes wear a leather thong and feather boa. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Brian Sikkema wrote: > > > Well, it does make him elligable to wear the UFie consolation badge! - > > http://www.userfriendly.org/links/ (down at the bottom) > > > > Forget it. Gene's usual attire is an old Snap-On Tools T-Shirt and > a pink tutu ;) > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 01:45:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:45:04 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org References: Message-ID: <003001c29291$f29995a0$ebde08d0@betty> Brian Have you any plans to nominate him to any other feature sites? He really doesn't get enough traffic through the web site. Keep 'em flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sikkema" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > Well, it does make him elligable to wear the UFie consolation badge! - > http://www.userfriendly.org/links/ (down at the bottom) > > Brian > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Rob Hommel" > Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > To: > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:23:41 -0800 > > Does this mean that Gene has to wear a dust bunny on his web site? > > Keep 'em Flying > Rob Hommel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andreas Fransson" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > > > > Congrats to Gene for being promo'ed (is that a word?...) on such an > > excellent site as User Friendly, and thanks to Brian for the heads-up! > > > > Andreas > > http://valhallainc.no-ip.com (new addy!) > > > > > > From: "Brian Sikkema" > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > Gene's site has been chosen for the User Friendly Link of the Day! Head > to > > > www.userfriendly.org and check it out, down at the bottom of the page. > Way > > > to go, Gene! :) Hope that simpits link is nice and prominent on your > page! > > > :) > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 03:42:13 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:42:13 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org Message-ID: LOL, I'm not that cruel, based on how slow his site was accessing today... :) I just figured Simpits could use some exposure, and Gene's page figured like the best way, a personal project like that has a much better shot than the simpits page, by its very nature. Being a UFie myself I just thought it would fit nicely... Brian ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rob Hommel" Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org To: Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:45:04 -0800 Brian Have you any plans to nominate him to any other feature sites? He really doesn't get enough traffic through the web site. Keep 'em flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sikkema" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > Well, it does make him elligable to wear the UFie consolation badge! - > http://www.userfriendly.org/links/ (down at the bottom) > > Brian > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Rob Hommel" > Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > To: > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:23:41 -0800 > > Does this mean that Gene has to wear a dust bunny on his web site? > > Keep 'em Flying > Rob Hommel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andreas Fransson" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > > > > Congrats to Gene for being promo'ed (is that a word?...) on such an > > excellent site as User Friendly, and thanks to Brian for the heads-up! > > > > Andreas > > http://valhallainc.no-ip.com (new addy!) > > > > > > From: "Brian Sikkema" > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > Gene's site has been chosen for the User Friendly Link of the Day! Head > to > > > www.userfriendly.org and check it out, down at the bottom of the page. > Way > > > to go, Gene! :) Hope that simpits link is nice and prominent on your > page! > > > :) > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 08:00:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:00:12 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org References: Message-ID: <007301c292c6$5a42c3a0$ebde08d0@betty> Brian You are correct Simpits could use some exposure, it could also use some active membership. The Simpits web site is still in need of a person to work on keeping the site up to date. It still needs people to contribute to the site their adventures and articles on how to do various tasks. The list group is now made up of a very silent majority and a small group of friends who seem to have found those who are just like them. Gene and Roy for example, if Roy could ever get himself out of Great Britain and visit I don't think we could ever get him to leave. There is so many talented people among this list group there is no need to list them by name we know all of the usual suspects by pedigree. When we look at the other groups involved in simulation and the following they have attracted, I can see no reason why Simpits is not the most sought after web group and site for information on how to do. While it is not our intent nor our desire to be another site for the latest patch or skin for the leading flight simulator companies nor our desire to be the news agency for these companies we do need to make ourselves a voice in the community. We need to be able to have the companies that manufacture Sims allow us to have what we need to get our Sims to attach to them. We need the voices of all 200+ members and we need to show that they care about this hobby. It really seems strange to me how many folks just seem to stumble upon our little group and then they seem unaware as to what it is that we do. Simpits is not an easy site to find on any search engine unless you happe to know it's name. A search under most search engines will locate it someplace around the 400th entry. Derek's web site seems to be a place more folks find before Simpits and while we all owe a debt to Derek he doesn't even provide an obvious link to simpits. (I haven't looked at his site in sometime, sorry if he has changed his site) Gene does a good job of posting info on various newsgroups about Simpits and I am certain some of you have read his posts there as well. He is our spokesman and posterboy but he is not alone in this hobby. There are so many folks out there with some wonderful pits that need to be showed off to all of the people that think it would be a great thing to do but have no idea how to go about it. Teaching others how they can get started in this hobby is part of what it is all about. Having a link to your website on the simpits site is a way they can learn about our efforts. If no person is will to step forward to accept the duties and responsibilities of the Simpit web site I fear it will die out in another year. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 08:35:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:35:41 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B444@exchange.clearsky.dk> Rob, I hole heartly agree with you, but i can understand why so many of our members is quite silent (my self included) esp. about maintaining the web as an editor of some sort - it alone requires a heap load of time, some talent not only in words, but also in the graphics department - and to complicate things even further - english might not be there native language, so to sum-up this, i for one would love to help, but i fear that i don't have the time - the english part i think i could manage without to much screwing up, writing is not my strong side, ohh and graphically im 3 years old - all this and i can barely find the time to "play", as we must keep a fulltime dayjob (my guess is most of us are IT-pros of some sort, and the IT business is not a 9-17 job) to support our - how to put it- passion - dosn't leave much room for anything else. Anyway i still think that we could expose the community a bit more, i try to do my part, when ever im in a conversation about electronics, mechanics, engineering or mathematics i try to put simpits.org in there and sometime talk takes a spin and ppl find it fascinating what we are doing - this is the least we could do - and to all of you that have a homepage, why not go and download a patch and link to simpits.org its simple and takes 5 minutes at the most..... just my 2dkk /Stig -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hommel [mailto:rhommel@tacoma.net] There is so many talented people among this list group there is no need to list them by name we know all of the usual suspects by pedigree. When we look at the other groups involved in simulation and the following they have attracted, I can see no reason why Simpits is not the most sought after web group and site for information on how to do. While it is not our intent nor our desire to be another site for the latest patch or skin for the leading flight simulator companies nor our desire to be the news agency for these companies we do need to make ourselves a voice in the community. We need to be able to have the companies that manufacture Sims allow us to have what we need to get our Sims to attach to them. We need the voices of all 200+ members and we need to show that they care about this hobby. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 10:02:09 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:02:09 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org References: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B444@exchange.clearsky.dk> Message-ID: <007901c292d7$637f5b70$ebde08d0@betty> Stig A reply from one of the regular suspects is always welcome. Prohm has done a great job of getting the site to the stage that someone with a bit of html experience could take over, as far as the writing side goes that task is not a real problem for most folks but seeing as to how most of the list membership seems to have crippled their hands in some kind of freak power tool accident. I just don't know where we will find the person capable of doing the simple stuff. If a list member a month would take the time to write up an article on some aspect of cockpit building we would have over 20 years of articles. If a list member a month would write an article entitled How I spent my Summer Vacation we would still have 20 years of articles. Only Simpitters know what it is like to say in casual conversation, I spent my weekend working on my 747 or my F15 like everybody on the planet does this. What we don't do is tell each other what we did or how we did it. Our commercial members whom we love are the ones most guilty of this. They have resources most of the membership would kill to get a hold of but they don't tell us how they manage to accomplish various tasks they think in terms of company secrets and borrow from Simpits all of the time. Shame on our corporate members how about a couple of you pitch in with a couple of articles? Stig, I know that you were not planning on being the poster boy for excuses unlimited but when can we expect to see an article from you on How I spent my Weekend? Keep 'em flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stig Joergensen" To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:35 AM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > Rob, > > I hole heartly agree with you, but i can understand why so many of our > members is quite silent (my self included) esp. about maintaining the > web as an editor of some sort - it alone requires a heap load of time, > some talent not only in words, but also in the graphics department - and > to complicate things even further - english might not be there native > language, so to sum-up this, i for one would love to help, but i fear > that i don't have the time - the english part i think i could manage > without to much screwing up, writing is not my strong side, ohh and > graphically im 3 years old - all this and i can barely find the time to > "play", as we must keep a fulltime dayjob (my guess is most of us are > IT-pros of some sort, and the IT business is not a 9-17 job) to support > our - how to put it- passion - dosn't leave much room for anything else. > > Anyway i still think that we could expose the community a bit more, i > try to do my part, when ever im in a conversation about electronics, > mechanics, engineering or mathematics i try to put simpits.org in there > and sometime talk takes a spin and ppl find it fascinating what we are > doing - this is the least we could do - and to all of you that have a > homepage, why not go and download a patch and link to simpits.org its > simple and takes 5 minutes at the most..... > > just my 2dkk > > /Stig > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Hommel [mailto:rhommel@tacoma.net] > > There is so many talented people among this list group there is no need > to > list them by name we know all of the usual suspects by pedigree. When we > look at the other groups involved in simulation and the following they > have > attracted, I can see no reason why Simpits is not the most sought after > web > group and site for information on how to do. While it is not our intent > nor > our desire to be another site for the latest patch or skin for the > leading > flight simulator companies nor our desire to be the news agency for > these > companies we do need to make ourselves a voice in the community. We need > to > be able to have the companies that manufacture Sims allow us to have > what we > need to get our Sims to attach to them. We need the voices of all 200+ > members and we need to show that they care about this hobby. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/14/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 12:29:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:29:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org In-Reply-To: <000901c29291$518e03d0$ebde08d0@betty> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Rob Hommel wrote: > > BTW Gene's wife will not let him wear an old T-shirt of any kind. I think he > does have an old tutu around someplace he doesn't seem to wear it out of the > house. I was surprised when I phoned gene a few days ago to hear his wife still call him "honey" given how much time he must spend in the workshop! Then again, maybe she's grateful ;) > Roy, what kind of odd attire does your wife make you wear, you seem a bit > like the kind that the wifey makes wear a leather thong and feather boa. Hey... have you been reading my diary!? ;) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 15:00:42 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Darren Beaumont) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:00:42 -0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org In-Reply-To: <007301c292c6$5a42c3a0$ebde08d0@betty> Message-ID: Rob, If you're interested, I had written an aritcle on my old website about finding and purchasing a flightdeck, which I could forward on. Although it deals with the UK it does highlight any potential problems that might occur. Darren _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 18:31:11 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:31:11 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thoughts Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B445@exchange.clearsky.dk> Rob, After i send the mail i realized that it could be read as one big excuse, which was not the intension at all but a small attempt to state fact - here i go again, making excuses - some one please stop me..... Anyway, got slammed enough so i might aswell tell a little about my project (or idea) It started out as a sketch to build an F16 but the more i got into this, i realized that a commercial plane might be better, as support for cockpit interactivity might be better with the M$F$ series over time, i fear that well only see a couple other sims out there with these kind of support (falcon V - mostly due to Erwin, and LOMAC - thats genes department), but i think that the FS series will continue to bring a new one every other year or so - anyway thats the reason for me going commercial. So the next question came, what plane to choose, there was basically 4 to choose from, 1) a piper (a small) 2) a learjet (little bigger) 3) the Airbus (big) 4) Boeing (huge son-of-a-bitch). I started to think about the learjet, a small plane with jet engines so i could travel all over europe without spending a week in the air but soon realized there was not that much info available, so i changes horses again - and now it might be the B747 or A340, started working with Steve S (where are you?) to collect some stuff and now have a good collection of pilot stuff, not much on the cockpit or airframe front though. Then started to mess with electronics again (been 15+ years since my last involvement, and the world pretty much got digital on me in the mean time) - made a few small gizmos, just to see if i still had it - they was working on the prototyping board so i was now convinced that i would be ok, with a little help from various groups that it. Next up i needed to design the cockpit - started to sketch a few things and found that i currently dont have the room for a full cockpit, although it could be cool if my home office was a flighdeck but not that practical, so started to build a desktop pit where i can stove the sticks away when not needed until the day where i move to a bigger place while doing all of this, i spend a couple of hours a week researching plastics and how cast panels and stuff like that. I haven't found the solution yet though This is where im at at the moment, my next project is to build a driver for windows - a TCP/IP keyboard and mouse - but this might bee a too big thing for me to handle - time will tell thanks for staying on this long - i know i was rambling but..... who knows - my thoughts might be useful to someone...... ohh and by the way - i did do an article http://www.clearsky.dk/Electronics/PCBMaking/Step1.htm so i properly shouldn't fell haunted... /Stig -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hommel [mailto:rhommel@tacoma.net] Sent: 23. november 2002 11:02 To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org Stig A reply from one of the regular suspects is always welcome. Prohm has done a great job of getting the site to the stage that someone with a bit of html experience could take over, as far as the writing side goes that task is not a real problem for most folks but seeing as to how most of the list membership seems to have crippled their hands in some kind of freak power tool accident. I just don't know where we will find the person capable of doing the simple stuff. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 19:12:53 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:12:53 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thoughts References: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B445@exchange.clearsky.dk> Message-ID: <00ff01c29324$52db3a80$8430cb18@Kelly> Stig, don't give up hope on a F16 pit. Thist was taking from from Comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flightsim news group Marc.. Hello I am the former President of Military Simulations the producer and developer of Back To Baghdad. Would there be any interest for an up to version of this F-16 game if it included continuous 10M Satellite Imagery along with 1M imagery of important detail areas all flying at 60Hz on a GEForce 3 and higher graphics card. If so please let me know what features you folks would like to see. I am doing an initial study to see if there is any interest in this product before I commit the funds to do another build. Our product has transformed into a full Military training system so I need to move it back to the entertainment area if there is interest. Thanks, George T. Keverian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stig Joergensen" To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Thoughts > Rob, > > After i send the mail i realized that it could be read as one big > excuse, which was not the intension at all but a small attempt to state > fact - here i go again, making excuses - some one please stop me..... > > Anyway, got slammed enough so i might aswell tell a little about my > project (or idea) > > It started out as a sketch to build an F16 but the more i got into this, > i realized that a commercial plane might be better, as support for > cockpit interactivity might be better with the M$F$ series over time, i > fear that well only see a couple other sims out there with these kind of > support (falcon V - mostly due to Erwin, and LOMAC - thats genes > department), but i think that the FS series will continue to bring a new > one every other year or so - anyway thats the reason for me going > commercial. > > So the next question came, what plane to choose, there was basically 4 > to choose from, > > 1) a piper (a small) > 2) a learjet (little bigger) > 3) the Airbus (big) > 4) Boeing (huge son-of-a-bitch). > > I started to think about the learjet, a small plane with jet engines so > i could travel all over europe without spending a week in the air but > soon realized there was not that much info available, so i changes > horses again - and now it might be the B747 or A340, started working > with Steve S (where are you?) to collect some stuff and now have a good > collection of pilot stuff, not much on the cockpit or airframe front > though. > > Then started to mess with electronics again (been 15+ years since my > last involvement, and the world pretty much got digital on me in the > mean time) - made a few small gizmos, just to see if i still had it - > they was working on the prototyping board so i was now convinced that i > would be ok, with a little help from various groups that it. > > Next up i needed to design the cockpit - started to sketch a few things > and found that i currently dont have the room for a full cockpit, > although it could be cool if my home office was a flighdeck but not that > practical, so started to build a desktop pit where i can stove the > sticks away when not needed until the day where i move to a bigger place > > while doing all of this, i spend a couple of hours a week researching > plastics and how cast panels and stuff like that. I haven't found the > solution yet though > > This is where im at at the moment, my next project is to build a driver > for windows - a TCP/IP keyboard and mouse - but this might bee a too big > thing for me to handle - time will tell > > thanks for staying on this long - i know i was rambling but..... who > knows - my thoughts might be useful to someone...... > > > ohh and by the way - i did do an article > http://www.clearsky.dk/Electronics/PCBMaking/Step1.htm so i properly > shouldn't fell haunted... > > > /Stig > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Hommel [mailto:rhommel@tacoma.net] > Sent: 23. november 2002 11:02 > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > > > Stig > > A reply from one of the regular suspects is always welcome. Prohm has > done a > great job of getting the site to the stage that someone with a bit of > html > experience could take over, as far as the writing side goes that task is > not > a real problem for most folks but seeing as to how most of the list > membership seems to have crippled their hands in some kind of freak > power > tool accident. I just don't know where we will find the person capable > of > doing the simple stuff. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 21:16:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marv De Beque) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:16:05 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thoughts In-Reply-To: <00ff01c29324$52db3a80$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: Would you provide George's email to me? You can respond direct to me. I would be happy to provide some input. Marv On 11/23/02 2:12 PM, "kelly Mclaren" wrote: > Stig, don't give up hope on a F16 pit. > Thist was taking from from Comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flightsim news group > Marc.. > > > Hello I am the former President of Military Simulations the producer and > developer of Back To Baghdad. Would there be any interest for an up to > version of this F-16 game if it included continuous 10M Satellite Imagery > along with 1M imagery of important detail areas all flying at 60Hz on a > GEForce 3 and higher graphics card. If so please let me know what features > you folks would like to see. I am doing an initial study to see if there is > any interest in this product before I commit the funds to do another build. > Our product has transformed into a full Military training system so I need > to move it back to the entertainment area if there is interest. > > Thanks, > > George T. Keverian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stig Joergensen" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:31 PM > Subject: [simpits-tech] Thoughts > > >> Rob, >> >> After i send the mail i realized that it could be read as one big >> excuse, which was not the intension at all but a small attempt to state >> fact - here i go again, making excuses - some one please stop me..... >> >> Anyway, got slammed enough so i might aswell tell a little about my >> project (or idea) >> >> It started out as a sketch to build an F16 but the more i got into this, >> i realized that a commercial plane might be better, as support for >> cockpit interactivity might be better with the M$F$ series over time, i >> fear that well only see a couple other sims out there with these kind of >> support (falcon V - mostly due to Erwin, and LOMAC - thats genes >> department), but i think that the FS series will continue to bring a new >> one every other year or so - anyway thats the reason for me going >> commercial. >> >> So the next question came, what plane to choose, there was basically 4 >> to choose from, >> >> 1) a piper (a small) >> 2) a learjet (little bigger) >> 3) the Airbus (big) >> 4) Boeing (huge son-of-a-bitch). >> >> I started to think about the learjet, a small plane with jet engines so >> i could travel all over europe without spending a week in the air but >> soon realized there was not that much info available, so i changes >> horses again - and now it might be the B747 or A340, started working >> with Steve S (where are you?) to collect some stuff and now have a good >> collection of pilot stuff, not much on the cockpit or airframe front >> though. >> >> Then started to mess with electronics again (been 15+ years since my >> last involvement, and the world pretty much got digital on me in the >> mean time) - made a few small gizmos, just to see if i still had it - >> they was working on the prototyping board so i was now convinced that i >> would be ok, with a little help from various groups that it. >> >> Next up i needed to design the cockpit - started to sketch a few things >> and found that i currently dont have the room for a full cockpit, >> although it could be cool if my home office was a flighdeck but not that >> practical, so started to build a desktop pit where i can stove the >> sticks away when not needed until the day where i move to a bigger place >> >> while doing all of this, i spend a couple of hours a week researching >> plastics and how cast panels and stuff like that. I haven't found the >> solution yet though >> >> This is where im at at the moment, my next project is to build a driver >> for windows - a TCP/IP keyboard and mouse - but this might bee a too big >> thing for me to handle - time will tell >> >> thanks for staying on this long - i know i was rambling but..... who >> knows - my thoughts might be useful to someone...... >> >> >> ohh and by the way - i did do an article >> http://www.clearsky.dk/Electronics/PCBMaking/Step1.htm so i properly >> shouldn't fell haunted... >> >> >> /Stig >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rob Hommel [mailto:rhommel@tacoma.net] >> Sent: 23. november 2002 11:02 >> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org >> >> >> Stig >> >> A reply from one of the regular suspects is always welcome. Prohm has >> done a >> great job of getting the site to the stage that someone with a bit of >> html >> experience could take over, as far as the writing side goes that task is >> not >> a real problem for most folks but seeing as to how most of the list >> membership seems to have crippled their hands in some kind of freak >> power >> tool accident. I just don't know where we will find the person capable >> of >> doing the simple stuff. >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech@simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 23 21:32:59 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:32:59 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thoughts References: Message-ID: <012901c29337$e56549a0$8430cb18@Kelly> George email E-mail Address(es): george0803@hotmail.com Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marv De Beque" To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Thoughts > Would you provide George's email to me? > > You can respond direct to me. I would be happy to provide some input. > > Marv > > > On 11/23/02 2:12 PM, "kelly Mclaren" wrote: > > > Stig, don't give up hope on a F16 pit. > > Thist was taking from from Comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flightsim news group > > Marc.. > > > > > > Hello I am the former President of Military Simulations the producer and > > developer of Back To Baghdad. Would there be any interest for an up to > > version of this F-16 game if it included continuous 10M Satellite Imagery > > along with 1M imagery of important detail areas all flying at 60Hz on a > > GEForce 3 and higher graphics card. If so please let me know what features > > you folks would like to see. I am doing an initial study to see if there is > > any interest in this product before I commit the funds to do another build. > > Our product has transformed into a full Military training system so I need > > to move it back to the entertainment area if there is interest. > > > > Thanks, > > > > George T. Keverian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stig Joergensen" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:31 PM > > Subject: [simpits-tech] Thoughts > > > > > >> Rob, > >> > >> After i send the mail i realized that it could be read as one big > >> excuse, which was not the intension at all but a small attempt to state > >> fact - here i go again, making excuses - some one please stop me..... > >> > >> Anyway, got slammed enough so i might aswell tell a little about my > >> project (or idea) > >> > >> It started out as a sketch to build an F16 but the more i got into this, > >> i realized that a commercial plane might be better, as support for > >> cockpit interactivity might be better with the M$F$ series over time, i > >> fear that well only see a couple other sims out there with these kind of > >> support (falcon V - mostly due to Erwin, and LOMAC - thats genes > >> department), but i think that the FS series will continue to bring a new > >> one every other year or so - anyway thats the reason for me going > >> commercial. > >> > >> So the next question came, what plane to choose, there was basically 4 > >> to choose from, > >> > >> 1) a piper (a small) > >> 2) a learjet (little bigger) > >> 3) the Airbus (big) > >> 4) Boeing (huge son-of-a-bitch). > >> > >> I started to think about the learjet, a small plane with jet engines so > >> i could travel all over europe without spending a week in the air but > >> soon realized there was not that much info available, so i changes > >> horses again - and now it might be the B747 or A340, started working > >> with Steve S (where are you?) to collect some stuff and now have a good > >> collection of pilot stuff, not much on the cockpit or airframe front > >> though. > >> > >> Then started to mess with electronics again (been 15+ years since my > >> last involvement, and the world pretty much got digital on me in the > >> mean time) - made a few small gizmos, just to see if i still had it - > >> they was working on the prototyping board so i was now convinced that i > >> would be ok, with a little help from various groups that it. > >> > >> Next up i needed to design the cockpit - started to sketch a few things > >> and found that i currently dont have the room for a full cockpit, > >> although it could be cool if my home office was a flighdeck but not that > >> practical, so started to build a desktop pit where i can stove the > >> sticks away when not needed until the day where i move to a bigger place > >> > >> while doing all of this, i spend a couple of hours a week researching > >> plastics and how cast panels and stuff like that. I haven't found the > >> solution yet though > >> > >> This is where im at at the moment, my next project is to build a driver > >> for windows - a TCP/IP keyboard and mouse - but this might bee a too big > >> thing for me to handle - time will tell > >> > >> thanks for staying on this long - i know i was rambling but..... who > >> knows - my thoughts might be useful to someone...... > >> > >> > >> ohh and by the way - i did do an article > >> http://www.clearsky.dk/Electronics/PCBMaking/Step1.htm so i properly > >> shouldn't fell haunted... > >> > >> > >> /Stig > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rob Hommel [mailto:rhommel@tacoma.net] > >> Sent: 23. november 2002 11:02 > >> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15sim.com on Userfriendly.org > >> > >> > >> Stig > >> > >> A reply from one of the regular suspects is always welcome. Prohm has > >> done a > >> great job of getting the site to the stage that someone with a bit of > >> html > >> experience could take over, as far as the writing side goes that task is > >> not > >> a real problem for most folks but seeing as to how most of the list > >> membership seems to have crippled their hands in some kind of freak > >> power > >> tool accident. I just don't know where we will find the person capable > >> of > >> doing the simple stuff. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Simpits-tech mailing list > >> Simpits-tech@simpits.org > >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 01:07:42 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:07:42 +0100 Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] Thoughts In-Reply-To: <00ff01c29324$52db3a80$8430cb18@Kelly> References: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B445@exchange.clearsky.dk> <00ff01c29324$52db3a80$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: <181120458440.20021124020742@gmx.net> kM> Stig, don't give up hope on a F16 pit. kM> Thist was taking from from Comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flightsim news group kM> Marc.. I already deployed some of my wishes on the newsgroup yesterday ;-). if 80% will make it into the sim, I'm reaaaaaaaally impressed *g*. greetings michi www.f16simulator.net From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 10:40:09 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Ben Jones) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:40:09 +0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Name that pit Message-ID: <74595F023E74BB44848D28F3B3C8F4030491CE@saturn.universe.pipecomp.com.au> I dont know if the question has been solved , but if the pic is from vans then it might be a mockup of a RV8 or a RV10 home built aircraft i believe this is only a mockup as vans produdes metal home built kits, none of there aircraft are wood built. regards BEN JONES ----------------------------------------- bjones@pipecomp.com.au ------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bailey [mailto:mattb@rtccom.net] Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 2:02 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Name that pit Are these guys on the mailing list? :) http://vansaircraft.com/images/wood_plane_front%20.jpg -Matt Bailey _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 14:35:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:35:41 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] Thoughts References: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B445@exchange.clearsky.dk> <00ff01c29324$52db3a80$8430cb18@Kelly> <181120458440.20021124020742@gmx.net> Message-ID: <001401c293c6$c3b32360$8430cb18@Kelly> Yeah, you beat me to it, I couldn't had more :-) Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michi Hirczy" To: "kelly Mclaren" Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: Re[2]: [simpits-tech] Thoughts > > kM> Stig, don't give up hope on a F16 pit. > kM> Thist was taking from from Comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flightsim news group > kM> Marc.. > > I already deployed some of my wishes on the newsgroup yesterday ;-). > if 80% will make it into the sim, I'm reaaaaaaaally impressed *g*. > > greetings > michi > www.f16simulator.net > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 15:27:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Wylie) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:27:31 +0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Updates from Marv References: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B445@exchange.clearsky.dk> <00ff01c29324$52db3a80$8430cb18@Kelly> <181120458440.20021124020742@gmx.net> <001401c293c6$c3b32360$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: <000801c293ce$023f63d0$1618c3d2@user5d5ssa7obr> Marv, Just checking in with you as I (as well as others) are interested in status/updates on things. Can you give us any more details on progress on the joystick mount? Thanks again. Cheers Craig From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 15:30:24 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:30:24 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <002201bf368f$28c97da0$588dadcb@window2000> Message-ID: <000701c293ce$6bc53eb0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2939C.212ACEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Evaporative coolers MUST be in a dry environment to work correctly. If there is any kind of humidity present, then they will not work worth a flip. Problem with EC is that they are usually big and cumbersome and need to be outside to work really well. Jay "Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones." --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:16 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi guys, This is a question especially for those of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound to build up within the pit? Heat generated from all the electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own body heat The only reason why I want to have a canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :) To make matter worse I live in a flat where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air conditioner or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the pit. My second question would be, evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air conditioner. Would love to hear all of your thoughts :) Albert Sydney, bloody boiling in Austraila ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2939C.212ACEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Evaporative coolers MUST be in a dry environment to work = correctly. =20 If there is any kind of humidity present, then they will not work worth = a=20 flip.  Problem with EC is that they are usually big and cumbersome = and need=20 to be outside to work really well.
 
Jay
 
 
"Show me a = man who cannot=20 be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who = cannot be=20 trusted to do the big ones."  --Lawrence Bell, Founder = Bell=20 Helicopter
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] = On=20 Behalf Of Albert Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 = 9:16=20 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: = [simpits-tech]=20 How do you deal with temperature inside the pit?

Hi guys,
 
This is a question especially for = those of you=20 who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for = the f16),=20 i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound = to build=20 up within the pit?
 
Heat generated from all the = electronics, backlid=20 panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own = body=20 heat
 
The only reason why I want to have a = canopy is=20 not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW = (because=20 I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by=20 suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a = coffin :)=20
 
To make matter worse I live in a flat = where I=20 cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I = have=20 grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can = put in a=20 wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air = conditioner=20 or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet = into the=20 pit.
 
My second question would be, = evaporative coolers,=20 are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? = because the=20 price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air = conditioner.
 
Would love to hear all of your = thoughts=20 :)
 
Albert
Sydney, bloody boiling in=20 Austraila
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2939C.212ACEB0-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 16:17:45 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jim K.) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:17:45 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] OT: Space Station Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021124091729.00b3ede0@mail.sisna.com> Everyone, The space shuttle just went up for a mission last night. It will dock with the space station on monday. Check out the below web site. Once you select your location it will show you when the ISS and STS will fly overhead. Its awesome to see. ISS = International Space Station and STS-113 = Space Transportation System, mission 113 which is the shuttle. The best ones to see are the ones that are the brightest. So look under MAG and the ones with the most negative number are the brightest. The coolest time to see these would be just prior to docking and just after undocking as you would see two bright objects travelling overhead. Its VERY cool Jim http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 16:38:23 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:38:23 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <002201bf368f$28c97da0$588dadcb@window2000> Message-ID: <000e01c293d7$e7a22490$0100a8c0@main> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C293AD.FECC1C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a lot of HVAC in my work. Before you decide on cooling you should consider ventilation first. Your pit is basically a small room in a larger room. Here are the basic details to evaluate: 1.. What AC and or ventilation do you have in the room the pit is in? I.e. room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply temperature(out of duct). 2.. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and Relative Humidity(RH) does you location see summer/winter? 3.. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will you use? 4.. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come from and where will it exhaust? 5.. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in the pit? The RH is a very important parameter that is often overlooked. The simplest way to get rid of the humidity and heat generated by you and the equipment is to exhaust it out. What goes out must be made up "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this must be cold enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH equilibrium that is comfortable. IF the room's air is good enough to provide sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust system(simple fan) with vents located to direct the OA air through the pit. If you room is too warm or humid to knock down the T/RH of the pit, then active cooling is required. If cost is important and you're handy(if you can build a pit...) I'd use a regular window air conditioner and build a shroud around the "evaporator" section, the part that goes outside the window. The shroud would be connected to a fan to blow the air outside the room through the bars. The room-side of the air conditioner would be directed to the pit's OA make-up. I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the details if you wish. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi guys, This is a question especially for those of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound to build up within the pit? Heat generated from all the electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own body heat The only reason why I want to have a canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :) To make matter worse I live in a flat where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air conditioner or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the pit. My second question would be, evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air conditioner. Would love to hear all of your thoughts :) Albert Sydney, bloody boiling in Austraila ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C293AD.FECC1C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a lot of = HVAC in my=20 work.
 
Before=20 you decide on cooling you should consider ventilation first.  Your = pit is=20 basically a small room in a larger room. Here are the basic details to=20 evaluate:
  1. What AC and or ventilation do = you have=20 in the room the pit is in?  I.e. room size, AC air flow = rate, AC air=20 supply temperature(out of duct).
  2. What=20 outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and Relative Humidity(RH) does = you=20 location see summer/winter?
  3. What=20 clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will you = use?
  4. If=20 you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come from and where will it = exhaust?
  5. How=20 much heat will be generated by the equipment in the = pit?
The RH=20 is a very important parameter that is often overlooked.  The = simplest way=20 to get rid of the humidity and heat generated by you and the equipment = is to=20 exhaust it out.  What goes out must be made up "Outside Air = Make-up"(OA)=20 and this must be cold enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH = equilibrium=20 that is comfortable.  IF the room's air is good enough to provide=20 sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust = system(simple=20 fan) with vents located to direct the OA air through the=20 pit.
 
If you=20 room is too warm or humid to knock down the T/RH of the pit, then active = cooling=20 is required.  If cost is important and you're handy(if you can = build a=20 pit...) I'd use a regular window air conditioner and build a shroud = around the=20 "evaporator" section, the part that goes outside the window.  = The=20 shroud would be connected to a fan to blow the air outside the room = through the=20 bars.  The room-side of the air conditioner would be directed to = the pit's=20 OA make-up.
 
I'd be=20 glad to provide assistance in determining the details if you=20 wish.
 
Craig=20 R.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On=20 Behalf Of Albert Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 = 10:16=20 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: = [simpits-tech]=20 How do you deal with temperature inside the pit?

Hi guys,
 
This is a question especially for = those of you=20 who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for = the f16),=20 i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound = to build=20 up within the pit?
 
Heat generated from all the = electronics, backlid=20 panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own = body=20 heat
 
The only reason why I want to have a = canopy is=20 not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW = (because=20 I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by=20 suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a = coffin :)=20
 
To make matter worse I live in a flat = where I=20 cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I = have=20 grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can = put in a=20 wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air = conditioner=20 or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet = into the=20 pit.
 
My second question would be, = evaporative coolers,=20 are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? = because the=20 price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air = conditioner.
 
Would love to hear all of your = thoughts=20 :)
 
Albert
Sydney, bloody boiling in=20 Austraila
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C293AD.FECC1C90-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 16:59:07 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marv De Beque) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:59:07 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Updates from Marv In-Reply-To: <000801c293ce$023f63d0$1618c3d2@user5d5ssa7obr> Message-ID: Hi, I am starting round two of testing. This test is with a different strain gauge. I hope to finish these tests in the next few weeks. The first tests were pretty good. I found a few issues, but the results were better than I had expected. That design is a little more costly than the one I am working on now. However, price is not everything. Performance is a more important issue. After both tests are complete and I have selected a winner, the next phase will be getting ready for production. That has its own set of challenges. ;-) When round two of the tests gets toward the end I'll post an update. Marv On 11/24/02 10:27 AM, "Craig Wylie" wrote: > Marv, > > Just checking in with you as I (as well as others) are interested in > status/updates on things. > Can you give us any more details on progress on the joystick mount? > > Thanks again. > > Cheers > > Craig > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 17:51:52 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Axle Griess) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:51:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] re: X-Keys Matrix Board In-Reply-To: <3C7149B0.94FC6781@axom.com> Message-ID: <20021124175152.25065.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> --0-411981238-1038160312=:24969 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Todd, Thanks for the reply awhile ago (I took a break from my Pit). I have a question do you use your X-key's for toggle switches too? A friend of mind said they will not work with toggles. I want to have toggles and push buttons too. Thanks Axle209 Todd Ferrante wrote:Axle, I used the X-Keys board for my MFDs in my F-16C simpit. The wire was nothing special. Some was ribbon cable from Radio Shack, and some was computer parallel port cables. See my MFD page for construction details: http://www.simpits.org/~toddf/ToddFPit/MFDs.htm Todd F. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-411981238-1038160312=:24969 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Todd,

Thanks for the reply awhile ago (I took a break from my Pit).  I have a question do you use your X-key's for toggle switches too?  A friend of mind said they will not work with toggles.  I want to have toggles and push buttons too.

Thanks

Axle209

 Todd Ferrante <toddf@axom.com> wrote:

Axle,
I used the X-Keys board for my MFDs in my F-16C simpit. The wire was
nothing special. Some was ribbon cable from Radio Shack, and some was
computer parallel port cables. See my MFD page for construction
details: http://www.simpits.org/~toddf/ToddFPit/MFDs.htm

Todd F.
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Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-411981238-1038160312=:24969-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 18:48:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:48:05 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <002e01bf36a5$db56b620$588dadcb@window2000> Message-ID: <000401c293ea$0665a430$0100a8c0@main> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C293C0.1D8F9C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Albert, I think ventilation is important to consider in the design. Not only for your comfort, but for the reliability of the electronics. E.g.., if a monitor is in the pit, that's a lot of heat. I live in Boston, USA and my PC and 20" monitor heat my small 6' x 10' office(one exterior wall). You'll probably want the make-up outside air to be directed at your body and then flow out through the electronics to carry the heat away. I'd look into how the F-16 does the ventilation and go from there. Regarding the air conditioner, you can make the window unit work without putting it in the window. You could just let the heat dump in the room and put a good exhaust fan in the window. A better way would be to mount it on a stand inside the room as close to the window as practicable. You would then build a shroud over the exhaust louvers to(slits on sides and top) to direct the hot air out of the window. Connect a medium sized fan to the shroud with a large flex duct and attach the fan to the window bars. There will also be condensation dripping from the air conditioner that will have to be directed to a drain or bucket. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:01 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? G'day Craig, Love your work, all those things you had mentioned are things that I have not considered in great depth up to this point. Looks like if I was to put a canopy on the pit. I will be jumping into a real deepend. This weekend I was just drawing up plans for the hull and how I will have to construct it differently if an enclosed canopy will be place ontop. Do you think its worth while to be paranoi (like myself) to worry about all these things so early on...or should I just go ahead and build the damn thing up then I can get some realistic measures of T and RH inside the pit. Then I can figure out if I need some sort of active cooling? The window air conditioner option is definetly out. I live in a place where I wont even dare to stick a satellete dish out the window, it will get knock off too easily. So my only mean to cool this room down is the option of one portable air conditioner or evaporative cooler that does not include an outdoor component to function. Thanks for making this sophiscated concept relatively simple to understand. I will shot you a private email asap. Cheers, Albert p.s. Gene, I think this is definetly a good topic article for the simpits.org site. What do you reckon? ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Rochester To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 AM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a lot of HVAC in my work. Before you decide on cooling you should consider ventilation first. Your pit is basically a small room in a larger room. Here are the basic details to evaluate: 1.. What AC and or ventilation do you have in the room the pit is in? I.e. room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply temperature(out of duct). 2.. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and Relative Humidity(RH) does you location see summer/winter? 3.. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will you use? 4.. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come from and where will it exhaust? 5.. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in the pit? The RH is a very important parameter that is often overlooked. The simplest way to get rid of the humidity and heat generated by you and the equipment is to exhaust it out. What goes out must be made up "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this must be cold enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH equilibrium that is comfortable. IF the room's air is good enough to provide sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust system(simple fan) with vents located to direct the OA air through the pit. If you room is too warm or humid to knock down the T/RH of the pit, then active cooling is required. If cost is important and you're handy(if you can build a pit...) I'd use a regular window air conditioner and build a shroud around the "evaporator" section, the part that goes outside the window. The shroud would be connected to a fan to blow the air outside the room through the bars. The room-side of the air conditioner would be directed to the pit's OA make-up. I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the details if you wish. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi guys, This is a question especially for those of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound to build up within the pit? Heat generated from all the electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own body heat The only reason why I want to have a canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :) To make matter worse I live in a flat where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air conditioner or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the pit. My second question would be, evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air conditioner. Would love to hear all of your thoughts :) Albert Sydney, bloody boiling in Austraila ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C293C0.1D8F9C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Albert,
 
I=20 think ventilation is important to consider in the design.  Not only = for=20 your comfort, but for the reliability of the electronics.  E.g.., = if a=20 monitor is in the pit, that's a lot of heat.  I live in = Boston, USA=20 and my  PC and 20" monitor heat my small 6' x 10' office(one = exterior=20 wall).  You'll probably want the make-up outside air to be directed = at your=20 body and then flow out through the electronics to carry the heat=20 away.  I'd look into how the F-16 does the ventilation and go from=20 there.
 
Regarding the air conditioner,  you can = make the=20 window unit work without putting it in the window.  You could just = let the=20 heat dump in the room and put a good exhaust fan in the window.  A = better=20 way would be to mount it on a stand inside the room as close = to the=20 window as practicable.  You would then build a shroud over the = exhaust=20 louvers to(slits on sides and top) to direct the hot air out of the=20 window. Connect a medium sized fan to the shroud with a large flex = duct and=20 attach the fan to the window bars.  There will also be condensation = dripping from the air conditioner that will have to be directed to a = drain or=20 bucket.
 
Craig=20 R.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:01 PM
To:=20 simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do = you deal=20 with temperature inside the pit?

G'day Craig,
 
Love your work, all those things you = had=20 mentioned are things that I have not considered in great depth up to = this=20 point. Looks like if I was to put a canopy on the pit. I will be = jumping into=20 a real deepend. This weekend I was just drawing up plans for the hull = and how=20 I will have to construct it differently if an enclosed canopy will be = place=20 ontop. Do you think its worth while to be paranoi (like myself) to = worry about=20 all these things so early on...or should I just go ahead and build the = damn=20 thing up then I can get some realistic measures of T and RH inside the = pit.=20 Then I can figure out if I need some sort of active = cooling?
 
The window air conditioner option is = definetly=20 out. I live in a place where I wont even dare to stick a satellete = dish out=20 the window, it will get knock off too easily. So my only mean to cool = this=20 room down is the option of one portable air conditioner or evaporative = cooler=20 that does not include an outdoor component to function.
 
Thanks for making this = sophiscated concept=20 relatively simple to understand.
 
I will shot you a private email=20 asap.
 
Cheers,
 
Albert
p.s. = Gene, I think this=20 is definetly a good topic article for the simpits.org site. What do = you=20 reckon?
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Craig=20 Rochester
Sent: Monday, November 25, = 2002 3:38=20 AM
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] = How do you=20 deal with temperature inside the pit?

Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a lot = of HVAC in=20 my work.
 
Before you decide on cooling you should consider = ventilation=20 first.  Your pit is basically a small room in a larger room. = Here are=20 the basic details to evaluate:
  1. What AC and=20 or ventilation do you have in the room the pit is = in?  I.e.=20 room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply temperature(out of=20 duct).=20
  2. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and Relative=20 Humidity(RH) does you location see summer/winter?=20
  3. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will you=20 use?=20
  4. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come from = and where=20 will it exhaust?=20
  5. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in the=20 pit?
The RH is a very important parameter that is often = overlooked. =20 The simplest way to get rid of the humidity and heat generated by = you and=20 the equipment is to exhaust it out.  What goes out must be made = up=20 "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this must be cold enough and dry = enough to=20 provide a T and RH equilibrium that is comfortable.  IF the = room's air=20 is good enough to provide sufficient OA to the pit all you need to = do is=20 have an exhaust system(simple fan) with vents located to direct = the OA=20 air through the pit.
 
If=20 you room is too warm or humid to knock down the T/RH of the pit, = then active=20 cooling is required.  If cost is important and you're handy(if = you can=20 build a pit...) I'd use a regular window air conditioner and build a = shroud=20 around the "evaporator" section, the part that goes outside the = window.  The shroud would be connected to a fan to blow the air = outside=20 the room through the bars.  The room-side of the air = conditioner would=20 be directed to the pit's OA make-up.
 
I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the = details if you=20 wish.
 
Craig R.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16 = AM
To:=20 simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] How do = you deal=20 with temperature inside the pit?

Hi guys,
 
This is a question especially for = those of=20 you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit = (especially for=20 the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature = that will=20 bound to build up within the pit?
 
Heat generated from all the = electronics,=20 backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) = and your=20 own body heat
 
The only reason why I want to = have a canopy=20 is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk = over RW=20 (because I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing = myself=20 by suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit = into a=20 coffin :)
 
To make matter worse I live in a = flat where I=20 cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... = I have=20 grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I = can put in=20 a wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable = air=20 conditioner or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and = throw an=20 inlet into the pit.
 
My second question would be, = evaporative=20 coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the = f16 pit?=20 because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air=20 conditioner.
 
Would love to hear all of your = thoughts=20 :)
 
Albert
Sydney, bloody boiling in=20 = Austraila
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C293C0.1D8F9C30-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 22:13:32 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:13:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <002201bf368f$28c97da0$588dadcb@window2000> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Albert Yung wrote: > This is a question especially for those of you who have or planning on > building an enclose cockpit (especially for the f16), i.e. with a > canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound to build up > within the pit? > I made sure my PC's where remote from the pit itself and that they had their own cooling. For the pit area, I had vents down by your feet, air is drawn in through these, and exhausted out of the back behind your head using a couple of 12v fans. Although you can't SEE the vents/fans, pics of the pit are at http://www.x-plane.info/cockpit/ Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 22:46:55 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Geoff) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:46:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Message-ID: <20021124144656.20997.h010.c011.wm@mail.mechpit.com.criticalpath.net> I have 1 AC fan incoming and one outgoing. These are variable 3 speed fans that I kind of gutted to move the rotary switch to a more accessible location. I added a vent grill at the bottom front and back of the cockpit and mounted the fans on the inside. http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-1/qid=1038177329/ref=sr_1_1/601-4830394-3869706?asin=B00006662G This is the fan from Target. I picked a inexpensive fan because I planned on hacking it up. I wanted a Vorando but @ $100 for the same fan, I really liked my little Honeywell fans. Usually they can be found an DIY's for really low. Target's $30 is a bit much for these. At least at a DIY you can get the Romex wire to move the switches, the box to mount the switches in, the vent grates, mounting hardware, and the fans ... all for less than the Vorando or a "bathroom fan/vent" combo unit. AC™ Tzeentch© Geoff Baker geoff@mechpit.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 23:24:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:24:31 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? References: <002201bf368f$28c97da0$588dadcb@window2000> Message-ID: <00dd01c29410$ae02ec90$8ebc1ad0@betty> Albert: Just got started on that very problem this very weekend. Gene and I have a couple of separate problems to deal with on this issue. We are not in complete agreement at this time as to how to solve them. I installed two new hoses which will connect to the defroster vent surrounding the wind screen and the vent on the center console. There was some struggle installing these hoses into place being unfamiliar with the hose I tried to treat them like water hose on an automobile. The hoses however were very uncooperative they would not expand enough to slip onto the metal hoses which were in place. By clipping the metal spiral wire on the inside of hose I managed to get some more motion onto the fitting but it was a struggle. I then unwound the retaining string which also spiraled up the hose to the place I thought was a sufficient amount then clipped it off. Well what do I know it slipped right on, no problem. Over an hour of cramped exhaustive work in the cockpit and it just slides on. The hoses only extend to the other side of the cockpit where they joined the cooling for the equipment. We will solve this problem at a later date we have got the hoses in place for now. I have a couple of large squirrel cage fans that will push a considerable amount of air into the cockpit the only problem with them is the noise so we will have to mount them further back into the area beneath the rear equipment bays or even outside of the cockpit itself. The canopy will be open to the rear of the cockpit so we will get some exhaust from the fans there. The other option is to use some 12dc muffin fans I have some doubts as to the amount of air they will push but I do have a method of measuring the fans air pressure so we will test it out at some point to see how much air they will push. I may end up using this method to provide air to the oxygen masks if they will push enough air through the hose to be useful and beneficial. I think it would add a bit of realism to the mask as well to feel air blowing through it. Cooling for the equipment and ventilation will be another problem as we will need to keep that forward equipment bays cool as well. We are really thinking about using a good deal of muffin fans to push the air about and exhaust the air from the forward bays. Again I have the squirrel cage fans that may assist in ventilation of this area. It's funny how you tend to collect objects long in advance of doing some of these tasks just on the chance they may prove useful. I remember seeing some time ago as to how one individual used a bathroom fan to exhaust his cockpit and pump air into it. That may prove to be a great idea and fairly inexpensive. You will have to wire it for Ac household voltage but it may be a reasonable solution for your problem. You can find them not much more than 6 inches deep and with plastic fan blades the fans can be mounted remote and hose such as what is used for venting a clothes dryer may provide you with sufficient air. The same maybe done for exhaust venting. Hope this helps, should you wish to do something along the lines of an air conditioner that is a whole new ball game. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Yung" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 7:16 AM Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi guys, This is a question especially for those of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound to build up within the pit? Heat generated from all the electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own body heat The only reason why I want to have a canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :) To make matter worse I live in a flat where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air conditioner or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the pit. My second question would be, evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air conditioner. Would love to hear all of your thoughts :) Albert Sydney, bloody boiling in Austraila --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 00:31:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:31:15 EST Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c Message-ID: <123.1a4d4d4f.2b12c953@aol.com> Just popped into my head.............. They make electric coolers (mini-refrigerators for about $50) that you plug 12V DC into the lighter of a car. I wonder if you could modify it to cool the pit? (as long as the exhaust side vents outside) John From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 00:57:21 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:57:21 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c References: <123.1a4d4d4f.2b12c953@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DE023F1.397CAD6D@rtccom.net> This would probably be too expensive for scratch built pits, but for folks salvaging real plane noses, what about using the A/C system off the plane? This might not be practical for some systems depending on their integration with/dependencies on the engine(s), but for other planes if you're collecting parts off the plane anyway, why not the A/C? It would provide MAJOR cooling anyway. :) -Matt Bailey From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 00:54:13 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:54:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Chris's phidget radios Message-ID: <20021125005413.77489.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com> Chris, I know you're busy with the GA version, but I was researching info for my sim and saw that the com Radio I'm replicating has 18 channels. Also, would it be possible to use the main com display to enter the ADF frequencies? The ADF control is on the com panel. Justin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 00:42:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (fitchett) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:42:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c In-Reply-To: <123.1a4d4d4f.2b12c953@aol.com> Message-ID: You may be able to adapt this technology a little - http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/ Chester > Just popped into my head.............. > > They make electric coolers (mini-refrigerators for about $50) that you plug > 12V DC into the lighter of a car. > > I wonder if you could modify it to cool the pit? (as long as the exhaust side > vents outside) > > John > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 01:45:09 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Bob Phillips) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:45:09 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c References: <123.1a4d4d4f.2b12c953@aol.com> <3DE023F1.397CAD6D@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <006101c29424$4a3bc600$0200a8c0@BOBS> > This would probably be too expensive for scratch built pits, but for > folks salvaging real plane noses, what about using the A/C system off > the plane? This might not be practical for some systems depending on > their integration with/dependencies on the engine(s), but for other > planes if you're collecting parts off the plane anyway, why not the A/C? > It would provide MAJOR cooling anyway. :) > Sure, since you get bleed air from the jet engine to do the air conditioning/heating, all you now need is the big blower in the back, or in Gene's case, both of the engines as he would hate to have just one pipe out the back... lumper From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 02:43:50 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:43:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c Message-ID: <20021125024350.41838.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> By DC-8 still has a large AC unit inside under the floor. The one on the right has been removed. Huge air ducts run from the AC to the opening in the nose of the plane for ram air. Justin > Sure, since you get bleed air from the jet engine to do the air conditioning/heating, all you now need is the big blower in the back, or in Gene's case, both of the engines as he would hate to have just one pipe out the back... lumper __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 03:20:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brad Edwards) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:20:02 +0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Updates from Marv Message-ID: >>> mdebeque@woh.rr.com 25/11/02 00:59:07 >>> ---8<---8<--- After both tests are complete and I have selected a winner, the next phase will be getting ready for production. That has its own set of challenges. ;-) ---8<---8<--- Sounds like the Light Weight Fighter Controller program is proceeding well. The question is, which is YFC-16 and which is YFC-17? And can you confirm or deny the existence of the Fighter Controller Mafia? :) Looking forward to seeing your work! Brad From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 04:13:19 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:13:19 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c In-Reply-To: <006101c29424$4a3bc600$0200a8c0@BOBS> References: <123.1a4d4d4f.2b12c953@aol.com> <3DE023F1.397CAD6D@rtccom.net> <006101c29424$4a3bc600$0200a8c0@BOBS> Message-ID: <200211250407.XAA07217@rtccom.net> Hehe, I was thinking more of the smaller type used on Cessnas etc. -Matt Bailey On Sunday 24 November 2002 08:45 pm, you wrote: > > This would probably be too expensive for scratch built pits, but for > > folks salvaging real plane noses, what about using the A/C system off > > the plane? This might not be practical for some systems depending on > > their integration with/dependencies on the engine(s), but for other > > planes if you're collecting parts off the plane anyway, why not the A/C? > > It would provide MAJOR cooling anyway. :) > > Sure, since you get bleed air from the jet engine to do the air > conditioning/heating, all you now need is the big blower in the back, or in > Gene's case, both of the engines as he would hate to have just one pipe out > the back... > > > lumper From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 06:04:13 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chris Brace) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:04:13 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Chris's phidget radios In-Reply-To: <20021125005413.77489.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c29448$7c2cc460$4601a8c0@olympus> Justin, Sure, since I write the code, I get to decide what I want to see and where. It becomes easy to change what you want and display on the LED's. I like the idea of using a single display to drive and show other functions, it give you more things to twiddle when your in your pit which makes it all the more fun. This is the approach I want to use to do my T38 panel (when I get to it). I'll come back to you for more detail soon. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Justin Messenger Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 1:54 p.m. To: Simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Chris's phidget radios Chris, I know you're busy with the GA version, but I was researching info for my sim and saw that the com Radio I'm replicating has 18 channels. Also, would it be possible to use the main com display to enter the ADF frequencies? The ADF control is on the com panel. Justin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 3/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 3/10/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 06:33:32 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:33:32 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c References: <123.1a4d4d4f.2b12c953@aol.com> <3DE023F1.397CAD6D@rtccom.net> <006101c29424$4a3bc600$0200a8c0@BOBS> <200211250407.XAA07217@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <3DE1C43C.6D99@swbell.net> Matt Bailey wrote: > > Hehe, I was thinking more of the smaller type used on Cessnas etc. All the Cessnas (and all other GA planes) I've ever flown have only had vents. No AC. Barely even a heater. -- Steve mysticz28@swbell.net Jesus saves, Budda enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 09:09:51 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:09:51 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Chris's phidget radios In-Reply-To: <000101c29448$7c2cc460$4601a8c0@olympus> References: <000101c29448$7c2cc460$4601a8c0@olympus> Message-ID: <1038215391.3de1e8dfeb78a@www.paradise.net.nz> > This is the approach I want to use to do my T38 panel (when I get to > it). A T-38!!! Cool! do you plan on a two seater, or just the front? I wanted to do a TA-4, but ran out of room :( And what about your F-16/18? Sean. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 09:49:42 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chris Brace) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:49:42 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Chris's phidget radios In-Reply-To: <1038215391.3de1e8dfeb78a@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <000901c29467$fa713260$4601a8c0@olympus> Sean, it’s a long story about changing simulation software and dreams of achieving the what was once thought impossible (at least in the good old days of sims). It all started ...... ... And now I want a sim that gives me an excellent OTW view, with great flight modelling/dynamics system, that I can customise and get things to work within the parameters I want, and that I can write my own code for to create enhancements. Finally MSFS delivers on most of this stuff and so I want to create a cockpit that I can use in this environment. Now the problem becomes that as you grow ideas like this, so things change. Life was simple in the old sim days, choices were very limited. So my simpit project started life as an F16 (due to limited choice). Now days I get virutally aircraft type I want (and most of its free!) and what I like is the Talon T38. Its small, fast, military and I can do my own avionics upgrade to a modern "glass" panel set and give it a techno feel with some old steam driven gauges to give me the best of both worlds. It suits me well. So the pit starts life as an F16, then I changed to an EFA (Eurofighter during that days of EF2000) and now a T38. I have a very good MSFS model (in fact one of the best free aircraft I have ever seen) and so Im working on making my pit something like this. Admittedly the cockpit layout will have some "fudge" to it. Im sure that once all the panels and switchology is done, even you would be proud to sit in it and have a play (I mean fly) Of course this is all until LOMAC hits the shelves, and them Im sure I'll change my mind again and trash 10 years of dreaming and scheming and start over !!! Chris. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of sean.g@paradise.net.nz Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 10:10 p.m. To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Chris's phidget radios > This is the approach I want to use to do my T38 panel (when I get to > it). A T-38!!! Cool! do you plan on a two seater, or just the front? I wanted to do a TA-4, but ran out of room :( And what about your F-16/18? Sean. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 3/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 3/10/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 13:36:17 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:36:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <005f01bf3719$9ff9c6c0$af98adcb@window2000> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Albert Yung wrote: > Use that old fan i got mounted horizontally to > blow or suck air in (or maybe even VTOL?hehe) . But hot air rises...so if I > blow cool air in from the bottom, and have suction out behind the head bit, > it sounds pretty good in theory. Once I build the structure, I should do > another weather update. > That system works well for me with the acrylic canopy shut. No misting. > Love your pit mate! Thanks :) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 18:04:42 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:04:42 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <005501bf3718$83f97610$af98adcb@window2000> References: <000401c293ea$0665a430$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021125125906.00a8e060@incoming.verizon.net> --=====================_1259454==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, my setup is a two seater, airbus-like design located in the cellar. the cellar has excellent thermal properties, and the monitors basically get to vent to open air, which only makes it nicer during the winter months. BUT, i "stole" a duct from the first floor's combined a/c and heat system. it will provide heating and air conditioning for the eventual completed cockpit. of course, i have to run upstairs and diddle the thermostat if i want cooling/heating, but the wife NEVER seems to mind. it heats/cools the cockpit interior as opposed to the electronics - the electronics more or less sit out in the open. just one more possible solution, - adm - At 06:38 PM 11/25/99 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Craig, > >I invested in a half decent Hygrometer with in/out thermo reading. This >will allow me to give you some good reading of my room. Also in the >afternoon rush hour, I went to a electronic chain here just before they >closed today...only saw the evaporative cooler. Cool my brain off first >before I walk back out to the 84degree heat. With my newly purchase >gadget, I can tell you today's relative humidity is 33% with a chances of >a late shower...hehe. Today was the Hotest November night since 1988....in >Sydney. > ---------- Alan D. Mazurka Webspace Design & Implementation adm.design@verizon.net --=====================_1259454==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi,

my setup is a two seater, airbus-like design located in the cellar.

the cellar has excellent thermal properties, and the monitors basically get to vent to open air, which only makes it nicer during the winter months.

BUT, i "stole" a duct from the first floor's combined a/c and heat system. it will provide heating and air conditioning for the eventual completed cockpit. of course, i have to run upstairs and diddle the thermostat if i want cooling/heating, but the wife NEVER seems to mind.

it heats/cools the cockpit interior as opposed to the electronics - the electronics more or less sit out in the open.

just one more possible solution,

 - adm -

At 06:38 PM 11/25/99 +1100, you wrote:
Hi Craig,
 
I invested in a half decent Hygrometer with in/out thermo reading. This will allow me to give you some good reading of my room. Also in the afternoon rush hour, I went to a electronic chain here just before they closed today...only saw the evaporative cooler. Cool my brain off first before I walk back out to the 84degree heat. With my newly purchase gadget, I can tell you today's relative humidity is 33% with a chances of a late shower...hehe. Today was the Hotest November night since 1988....in Sydney.
 


Alan D. Mazurka                    Webspace Design & Implementation
adm.design@verizon.net    
--=====================_1259454==_.ALT-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 18:02:51 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:02:51 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] A-4k Side Consoles Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126070230.03a2aec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> I have been working on the side console panels for my A-4k cockpit, and here’s how I did it….. A lot of research was required, especially as there were only about 20 A-4k Skyhawks ever built…. Once I had all the details I drew each panel full size in Corel Draw, with all hole centres marked. Next step was to make the back plates. I was going to use a material called “Zintec” which is a good easy steel to work with, but finally went with 18# aluminium sheet as it is much softer and so easier to cut irregular shapes out of J I stole an idea from Roy, and printed the drawings out full-size, taped them to the ali back-plates and drilled right through them. For the front panels I used Ľ” MDF, cut to size then drilled, filled and sanded to shape the outline. I drilled pilot holes at 1/8” in both the aluminium and MDF, then drilled each hole out to the required size. The final step in the “shaping” process was rounding out the holes with a steel deburring bit, which gave a nice smooth edge to the holes. After all the drilling and shaping was done a quick sand to smooth the surface finished it off. For the graphics I printed my CorelDraw drawing without the holes marked the carefully cut around the edges (slightly in from the edge actually). I painted both the back-plate and MDF front panel with semi-gloss black in a spray can, and while the paint was still tacky stuck the neatly trimmed graphics on to the front panel. I will probably use a self-adhesive vinyl on the final version. Assembly was simple enough, switches, rotaries and pots bolted into the back plate, then the facia plate is bolted on the front. Last step, and last thing to make were the spacers for the 4 corner mounting screws. I used 3/16” x 1” counter sunk screws (which gave the correct head size for the panels I’m replicating). Spacers were 3/8” x 16# aluminium tube cut to Ľ” long then one end countersunk to match the screws. So that’s the RCP done…. 1 down, 26 to go…. It’s going to be a busy week ;-) Sean. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 18:43:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:43:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c Message-ID: <20021125184347.46570.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> I hear that. It reminds me of many CAP SAREX flights at minimum altitude and flying slow in the middle of the summer. After we leave the grid we climb rapidly to reach cooler air. Justin ------------------------------ All the Cessnas (and all other GA planes) I've ever flown have only had vents. No AC. Barely even a heater. -- Steve mysticz28@swbell.net Jesus saves, Budda enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 18:49:57 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:49:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Chris's phidget radios Message-ID: <20021125184957.87312.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> The T-38 will be cool. I have long thought if i were rich my dream plane would be a two seat F-5E in agressor colors. It has about the best fuel economy VS performance you can get. it would be sweet to taxi up to your friends in one of those :) I'm looking forward to the radios, I know that will really add to the feel of the cockpit. Having those functional LEDs on the side panels will be awesome. Justin Sean, it’s a long story about changing simulation software and dreams of achieving the what was once thought impossible (at least in the good old days of sims). It all started ...... ... And now I want a sim that gives me an excellent OTW view, with great flight modelling/dynamics system, that I can customise and get things to work within the parameters I want, and that I can write my own code for to create enhancements. Finally MSFS delivers on most of this stuff and so I want to create a cockpit that I can use in this environment. Now the problem becomes that as you grow ideas like this, so things change. Life was simple in the old sim days, choices were very limited. So my simpit project started life as an F16 (due to limited choice). Now days I get virutally aircraft type I want (and most of its free!) and what I like is the Talon T38. Its small, fast, military and I can do my own avionics upgrade to a modern "glass" panel set and give it a techno feel with some old steam driven gauges to give me the best of both worlds. It suits me well. So the pit starts life as an F16, then I changed to an EFA (Eurofighter during that days of EF2000) and now a T38. I have a very good MSFS model (in fact one of the best free aircraft I have ever seen) and so Im working on making my pit something like this. Admittedly the cockpit layout will have some "fudge" to it. Im sure that once all the panels and switchology is done, even you would be proud to sit in it and have a play (I mean fly) Of course this is all until LOMAC hits the shelves, and them Im sure I'll change my mind again and trash 10 years of dreaming and scheming and start over !!! Chris. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 21:31:33 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (F16) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:31:33 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 Message-ID: <01C294D2.70C69260.f16@xflight.de> For a long time I have been looking for either the original pedals or a good copy for my F-16 simulator. After a while I found "RealSimulator" (http://www.realsimulator.com) in Spain, who produce F-16-like pedals with very high quality, toe-brakes and adjusting basis, to be used with the Cougar by Thrustmaster (or EPIC with small work). After several consulting with my internal ;-) and external banking-account, and due to canceling the vacation trip of the next year, I allowed myself the luxury of buying these pedals, and I have to say, that I was not disappointed at all. What was delivered by the mail-man some days later, almost made me cry. Aprox. 10 kg of steel and metal in optimal quality and workmanship :-). These things are the pure madness! Although they have a high price, for me they are worth each cent!!! For those who are interested in reading a small test-report, I placed it on my site, with lots of pictures (http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_rud.htm). Have fun reading and crying (because of the cost and the quality of the pedals of course ;-))) And, by the way, on my page http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_par_cec_mfd.htm I have finish my first CAD drawing with exact measurements from the MFD bezel Have a nice week Martin "Pegasus" From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 22:45:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:45:05 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <005501bf3718$83f97610$af98adcb@window2000> Message-ID: <001901c294d4$4c9e3710$0100a8c0@main> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C294AA.63C82F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Albert, Sorry for the tardy response, but work's real busy right; major HVAC project. I'm working on a "fill room" cleanroom. The room is 14' x 15' x 9' tall and has 7,500 CFM air flow. The air is replaced in the room 4.5 times a minute. The temperature is held to 65F +/- 1F and RH to 45% +/- 5%. The equipment could easily condition a couple of medium size houses. FWIW, here's some info on RH vs.. T: Here's a link for the "psychrometrics" of air: http://www.ianr.unl.edu/pubs/generalag/g626.htm#air Relative humidity is a measure of the moisture absorbed by air. Warm air can hold a lot more water than cold air. For a given temperature, the air has a maximum about it can absorb. The RH number in % is the amount water in the air divided my the maximum amount it could hold at that temperature(saturated). So when you heat up some air with a certain RH, the amount of water remains constant, but the RH goes down. Also, humidity "moves" differently than heat. Humidity will "migrate" from humid air to less humid air as pressure is the driving force(vapor pressure). So why the RH sermon? It makes a real difference for a person's comfort. Our bodies cool by evaporative cooling(sweating). As the air becomes more humid, the sweat evaporates less efficiently to a point where we sweat faster than it dies and we get "sweaty" = uncomfortable. Also, as the sweat evaporates and we breath out moist air, the RH in a small space like a cockpit will increase to a point where the air is saturated and condensation will form on the cooler surfaces(stuff will fog up). The problem with evaporative cooling is that the process adds moisture to the air, and in a closed room, the humidity will rise to a point where the cooler won't cool anymore(the fan will add heat). With room air conditions you gave, 90F/30%, if you cooled this to 70F with evaporation you'd have about 85% RH. That's sticky. With a standard A/C unit(vapor compression) air is cooled to the point where the water condenses out(it drips out the bottom), and you get "free" dehumidification,. So not only do you cool the air, but you knock down the humidity, both together provide a comfortable feel. I like warm and dry better than cool and damp. My favorite conditions for low physical activity is 70F with 45% RH(max 50%). I might even drop that a bit when flying Falcon4, as bogeys are always on my butt. A small "window" A/C, about 4,000 BTU(1500 kW), is about 18" x 20" x 14" tall. I've got two, both of which I got off the street(trash day) and worked after cleaning the coils. I'll draw a diagram to illustrate what I have in mind, if you're interested. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:39 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Craig, I invested in a half decent Hygrometer with in/out thermo reading. This will allow me to give you some good reading of my room. Also in the afternoon rush hour, I went to a electronic chain here just before they closed today...only saw the evaporative cooler. Cool my brain off first before I walk back out to the 84degree heat. With my newly purchase gadget, I can tell you today's relative humidity is 33% with a chances of a late shower...hehe. Today was the Hotest November night since 1988....in Sydney. Anyway, I agree with you. If the monitor are located inside the pit then it will dramatically increase the heat factor. Sucking outdoor air into the pit has been considered...but might not be possible to achieve. My room size is 12ft x 9ft. Brick wall facing north east and north west. Window is about 2.5ft by 4 ft.facing the north west. Architectural wise, this room get good use of natural sunlight and also get a good breeze from the door which directly face the window. Ok, here's the weather update...right now. its 31degree C or 87.6 F in here...the back of 3 monitors is 99.7F the room's relative humidity was 37%. 8% lower than it was when I first entered the room with window shut... Unfortunately, it will be very impossible to mount a window unit on a stand...or anywhere in the room... There are a few floor standing evaporative cooler which kinda feel cool. I might get one of them since it only cost about 100USD. Try it out in my room and see how much they can cool the room for normal purpose. However, I do question the reading I got here 36% RH will prehaps make the Evaporative cooler less effective. I found an old fan which I can use maybe to provide suction out of the pit or blowing it into the pit. While other issues you mentioned I will get to them in a direct email to you :) Thanks a tonne for every bit of your advise mate! I can not do without them. Albert ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Rochester To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Albert, I think ventilation is important to consider in the design. Not only for your comfort, but for the reliability of the electronics. E.g.., if a monitor is in the pit, that's a lot of heat. I live in Boston, USA and my PC and 20" monitor heat my small 6' x 10' office(one exterior wall). You'll probably want the make-up outside air to be directed at your body and then flow out through the electronics to carry the heat away. I'd look into how the F-16 does the ventilation and go from there. Regarding the air conditioner, you can make the window unit work without putting it in the window. You could just let the heat dump in the room and put a good exhaust fan in the window. A better way would be to mount it on a stand inside the room as close to the window as practicable. You would then build a shroud over the exhaust louvers to(slits on sides and top) to direct the hot air out of the window. Connect a medium sized fan to the shroud with a large flex duct and attach the fan to the window bars. There will also be condensation dripping from the air conditioner that will have to be directed to a drain or bucket. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:01 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? G'day Craig, Love your work, all those things you had mentioned are things that I have not considered in great depth up to this point. Looks like if I was to put a canopy on the pit. I will be jumping into a real deepend. This weekend I was just drawing up plans for the hull and how I will have to construct it differently if an enclosed canopy will be place ontop. Do you think its worth while to be paranoi (like myself) to worry about all these things so early on...or should I just go ahead and build the damn thing up then I can get some realistic measures of T and RH inside the pit. Then I can figure out if I need some sort of active cooling? The window air conditioner option is definetly out. I live in a place where I wont even dare to stick a satellete dish out the window, it will get knock off too easily. So my only mean to cool this room down is the option of one portable air conditioner or evaporative cooler that does not include an outdoor component to function. Thanks for making this sophiscated concept relatively simple to understand. I will shot you a private email asap. Cheers, Albert p.s. Gene, I think this is definetly a good topic article for the simpits.org site. What do you reckon? ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Rochester To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 AM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a lot of HVAC in my work. Before you decide on cooling you should consider ventilation first. Your pit is basically a small room in a larger room. Here are the basic details to evaluate: 1.. What AC and or ventilation do you have in the room the pit is in? I.e. room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply temperature(out of duct). 2.. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and Relative Humidity(RH) does you location see summer/winter? 3.. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will you use? 4.. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come from and where will it exhaust? 5.. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in the pit? The RH is a very important parameter that is often overlooked. The simplest way to get rid of the humidity and heat generated by you and the equipment is to exhaust it out. What goes out must be made up "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this must be cold enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH equilibrium that is comfortable. IF the room's air is good enough to provide sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust system(simple fan) with vents located to direct the OA air through the pit. If you room is too warm or humid to knock down the T/RH of the pit, then active cooling is required. If cost is important and you're handy(if you can build a pit...) I'd use a regular window air conditioner and build a shroud around the "evaporator" section, the part that goes outside the window. The shroud would be connected to a fan to blow the air outside the room through the bars. The room-side of the air conditioner would be directed to the pit's OA make-up. I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the details if you wish. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi guys, This is a question especially for those of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound to build up within the pit? Heat generated from all the electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own body heat The only reason why I want to have a canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :) To make matter worse I live in a flat where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air conditioner or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the pit. My second question would be, evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air conditioner. Would love to hear all of your thoughts :) Albert Sydney, bloody boiling in Austraila ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C294AA.63C82F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Albert,
 
Sorry=20 for the tardy response, but work's real busy right; major HVAC = project. =20 I'm working on a "fill room" cleanroom.  The room is 14' x 15' x 9' = tall=20 and has 7,500 CFM air flow.  The air is replaced in the room=20 4.5 times a minute.  The temperature is held to 65F +/- 1F and = RH to=20 45%  +/- 5%.  The equipment could easily condition a couple of = medium=20 size houses.
 
FWIW,=20 here's some info on RH vs.. T:
 
Here's a link for the "psychrometrics" of air: = http://www.i= anr.unl.edu/pubs/generalag/g626.htm#air
 
Relative humidity is a measure of the moisture absorbed by = air. =20 Warm air can hold a lot more water than cold air.  For a given = temperature,=20 the air has a maximum about it can absorb.  The RH number in % is = the=20 amount water in the air divided my the maximum amount it could hold at = that=20 temperature(saturated).  So when you heat up some air with a = certain RH,=20 the amount of water remains constant, but the RH goes down. Also, = humidity=20 "moves" differently than heat.  Humidity will "migrate" from humid = air to=20 less humid air as pressure is the driving force(vapor=20 pressure).
 
So why=20 the RH sermon?  It makes a real difference for a person's = comfort. =20 Our bodies cool by evaporative cooling(sweating).  As the air = becomes more=20 humid, the sweat evaporates less efficiently to a point where we = sweat=20 faster than it dies and we get "sweaty" =3D uncomfortable.  Also, = as the=20 sweat evaporates and we breath out moist air, the RH in a small space = like a=20 cockpit will increase to a point where the air is saturated and = condensation=20 will form on the cooler surfaces(stuff will fog up).
 
The=20 problem with evaporative cooling is that the process adds moisture to = the air,=20 and in a closed room, the humidity will rise to a point where the cooler = won't=20 cool anymore(the fan will add heat).  With room air conditions you = gave,=20 90F/30%, if you cooled this to 70F with evaporation you'd have about 85% = RH.  That's sticky.
 
With a=20 standard A/C unit(vapor compression) air is cooled to the point where = the water=20 condenses out(it drips out the bottom), and you get "free"=20 dehumidification,.  So not only do you cool the air, but you knock = down the=20 humidity, both together provide a comfortable feel.  I like warm = and dry=20 better than cool and damp.  My favorite conditions for low physical = activity is 70F with 45% RH(max 50%).  I might even drop that a bit = when=20 flying Falcon4, as bogeys are always on my butt.
 
A=20 small "window" A/C, about 4,000 BTU(1500 kW), is about 18" x 20" x = 14"=20 tall.  I've got two, both of which I got off the street(trash = day) and=20 worked after cleaning the coils. I'll draw a diagram to illustrate = what I=20 have in mind, if you're interested.
 
Craig=20 R.
 
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On=20 Behalf Of Albert Yung
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 = 2:39=20 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: Re: = [simpits-tech]=20 How do you deal with temperature inside the = pit?

Hi Craig,
 
I invested in a half decent = Hygrometer with=20 in/out thermo reading. This will allow me to give you some good = reading of my=20 room. Also in the afternoon = rush hour, I=20 went to a electronic chain here just before they closed today...only = saw the=20 evaporative cooler. Cool my brain off first before I walk back out to = the=20 84degree heat. With my newly purchase gadget, I can tell you today's = relative=20 humidity is 33% with a chances of a late shower...hehe. Today was the = Hotest=20 November night since 1988....in Sydney.
 
Anyway, I agree with you. If the = monitor are=20 located inside the pit then it will dramatically increase the heat = factor.=20 Sucking outdoor air into the pit has been considered...but might not = be=20 possible to achieve. My room size is 12ft x 9ft. Brick wall facing = north east=20 and north west. Window is about 2.5ft by 4 ft.facing the north=20 west.
 
Architectural wise, this room get = good use of=20 natural sunlight and also get a good breeze from the door which = directly face=20 the window.
 
Ok, here's the weather update...right = now. its=20 31degree C or 87.6 F in here...the back of 3 monitors is 99.7F  = the=20 room's relative humidity was 37%. 8% lower than it was when I first = entered=20 the room with window shut...
 
Unfortunately, it will be very = impossible to=20 mount a window unit on a stand...or anywhere in the room... There are = a few=20 floor standing evaporative cooler which kinda feel cool. I might get = one of=20 them since it only cost about 100USD. Try it out in my room and see = how much=20 they can cool the room for normal purpose. However, I do question the = reading=20 I got here 36% RH will prehaps make the Evaporative cooler less = effective.=20
 
I found an old fan which I can use = maybe to=20 provide suction out of the pit or blowing it into the pit. While other = issues=20 you mentioned I will get to them in a direct email to you = :)
 
Thanks a tonne for every bit of your = advise mate!=20 I can not do without them.
 
Albert
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Craig=20 Rochester
Sent: Monday, November 25, = 2002 5:48=20 AM
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] = How do you=20 deal with temperature inside the pit?

Hi=20 Albert,
 
I=20 think ventilation is important to consider in the design.  Not = only for=20 your comfort, but for the reliability of the electronics.  = E.g.., if a=20 monitor is in the pit, that's a lot of heat.  I live in = Boston,=20 USA and my  PC and 20" monitor heat my small 6' x 10' = office(one=20 exterior wall).  You'll probably want the make-up outside air = to be=20 directed at your body and then flow out through the electronics = to=20 carry the heat away.  I'd look into how the F-16 does the = ventilation=20 and go from there.
 
Regarding the air conditioner,  you = can make=20 the window unit work without putting it in the window.  You = could just=20 let the heat dump in the room and put a good exhaust fan in the=20 window.  A better way would be to mount it on a stand = inside=20 the room as close to the window as practicable.  You would then = build a=20 shroud over the exhaust louvers to(slits on sides and top) to direct = the hot=20 air out of the window. Connect a medium sized fan to the shroud = with a=20 large flex duct and attach the fan to the window bars.  There = will also=20 be condensation dripping from the air conditioner that will have to = be=20 directed to a drain or bucket.
 
Craig R.
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On=20 Behalf Of Albert Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, = 1999 1:01=20 PM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: Re:=20 [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the=20 pit?

G'day Craig,
 
Love your work, all those things = you had=20 mentioned are things that I have not considered in great depth up = to this=20 point. Looks like if I was to put a canopy on the pit. I will be = jumping=20 into a real deepend. This weekend I was just drawing up plans for = the hull=20 and how I will have to construct it differently if an enclosed = canopy will=20 be place ontop. Do you think its worth while to be paranoi (like = myself)=20 to worry about all these things so early on...or should I just go = ahead=20 and build the damn thing up then I can get some realistic measures = of T=20 and RH inside the pit. Then I can figure out if I need some sort = of active=20 cooling?
 
The window air conditioner option = is=20 definetly out. I live in a place where I wont even dare to stick a = satellete dish out the window, it will get knock off too easily. = So my=20 only mean to cool this room down is the option of one portable air = conditioner or evaporative cooler that does not include an outdoor = component to function.
 
Thanks for making this = sophiscated=20 concept relatively simple to understand.
 
I will shot you a private email=20 asap.
 
Cheers,
 
Albert
p.s. = Gene, I think=20 this is definetly a good topic article for the simpits.org site. = What do=20 you reckon?
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Craig=20 Rochester
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org=20
Sent: Monday, November = 25, 2002=20 3:38 AM
Subject: RE: = [simpits-tech] How do=20 you deal with temperature inside the pit?

Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a = lot of HVAC=20 in my work.
 
Before you decide on cooling you should consider = ventilation=20 first.  Your pit is basically a small room in a larger = room. Here=20 are the basic details to evaluate:
  1. What AC=20 and or ventilation do you have in the room the pit = is=20 in?  I.e. room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply=20 temperature(out of duct).=20
  2. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and = Relative=20 Humidity(RH) does you location see = summer/winter?=20
  3. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will = you=20 use?=20
  4. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come = from and=20 where will it exhaust?=20
  5. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in = the=20 pit?
The RH is a very important parameter that is often=20 overlooked.  The simplest way to get rid of the humidity = and heat=20 generated by you and the equipment is to exhaust it out.  = What goes=20 out must be made up "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this must be = cold=20 enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH equilibrium that is=20 comfortable.  IF the room's air is good enough to provide=20 sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust=20 system(simple fan) with vents located to direct the OA air = through=20 the pit.
 
If you room is too warm or humid to knock down the T/RH = of the=20 pit, then active cooling is required.  If cost is important = and=20 you're handy(if you can build a pit...) I'd use a regular window = air=20 conditioner and build a shroud around the "evaporator" section, = the part=20 that goes outside the window.  The shroud would be = connected=20 to a fan to blow the air outside the room through the = bars.  The=20 room-side of the air conditioner would be directed to the pit's = OA=20 make-up.
 
I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the = details if=20 you wish.
 
Craig R.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of = Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16=20 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject:=20 [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the=20 pit?

Hi guys,
 
This is a question especially = for those=20 of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit = (especially=20 for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with = temperature=20 that will bound to build up within the pit?
 
Heat generated from all the = electronics,=20 backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a = projector) and=20 your own body heat
 
The only reason why I want to = have a=20 canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself = when I=20 talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to = "premanently" sound=20 proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the = cockpit.=20 Turning the pit into a coffin :)
 
To make matter worse I live = in a flat=20 where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle = air=20 cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out = intruders so=20 no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My only = hope would=20 be a portable air conditioner or one of those evaporative=20 coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the = pit.
 
My second question would be, = evaporative=20 coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of = the f16=20 pit? because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a = portable air=20 conditioner.
 
Would love to hear all of = your thoughts=20 :)
 
Albert
Sydney, bloody boiling in=20 = Austraila
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C294AA.63C82F10-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 22:51:29 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:51:29 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 References: <01C294D2.70C69260.f16@xflight.de> Message-ID: <00d101c294d5$3142c700$8430cb18@Kelly> These are f***ing beautiful, I hate you :-) Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "F16" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 > For a long time I have been looking for either the original pedals or a > good copy for my F-16 simulator. After a while I found "RealSimulator" > (http://www.realsimulator.com) in Spain, who produce F-16-like pedals with > very high quality, toe-brakes and adjusting basis, to be used with the > Cougar by Thrustmaster (or EPIC with small work). > > After several consulting with my internal ;-) and external banking-account, > and due to canceling the vacation trip of the next year, I allowed myself > the luxury of buying these pedals, and I have to say, that I was not > disappointed at all. What was delivered by the mail-man some days later, > almost made me cry. Aprox. 10 kg of steel and metal in optimal quality and > workmanship :-). These things are the pure madness! Although they have a > high price, for me they are worth each cent!!! > > For those who are interested in reading a small test-report, I placed it on > my site, with lots of pictures > (http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_rud.htm). > > Have fun reading and crying (because of the cost and the quality of the > pedals of course ;-))) > > And, by the way, on my page > http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_par_cec_mfd.htm I have finish my first CAD > drawing with exact measurements from the MFD bezel > > Have a nice week > Martin "Pegasus" > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 23:12:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Marv De Beque) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:12:10 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 In-Reply-To: <01C294D2.70C69260.f16@xflight.de> Message-ID: Martin, Sounds outstanding!!! I am confused about some of the specs. How much pressure is required to move the rudder pedal to each extreme? The spec you posted looks like 2.3 Kg. Is that really right? I ask because I measured a real one and it was over 22 kg. Just to move the pedal 3/4 cm! That is 10 times as much. Nice purchase! Marv On 11/25/02 4:31 PM, "F16" wrote: > For a long time I have been looking for either the original pedals or a > good copy for my F-16 simulator. After a while I found "RealSimulator" > (http://www.realsimulator.com) in Spain, who produce F-16-like pedals with > very high quality, toe-brakes and adjusting basis, to be used with the > Cougar by Thrustmaster (or EPIC with small work). > > After several consulting with my internal ;-) and external banking-account, > and due to canceling the vacation trip of the next year, I allowed myself > the luxury of buying these pedals, and I have to say, that I was not > disappointed at all. What was delivered by the mail-man some days later, > almost made me cry. Aprox. 10 kg of steel and metal in optimal quality and > workmanship :-). These things are the pure madness! Although they have a > high price, for me they are worth each cent!!! > > For those who are interested in reading a small test-report, I placed it on > my site, with lots of pictures > (http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_rud.htm). > > Have fun reading and crying (because of the cost and the quality of the > pedals of course ;-))) > > And, by the way, on my page > http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_par_cec_mfd.htm I have finish my first CAD > drawing with exact measurements from the MFD bezel > > Have a nice week > Martin "Pegasus" > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sun Nov 24 23:29:42 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:29:42 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c In-Reply-To: <20021125184347.46570.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021125184347.46570.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200211252323.SAA13602@rtccom.net> I've never seen a single engined Cessna with A/C either, but I remember seeing information in a 172 flight manual once regarding the optional A/C. I was thinking this type of system would probably be more compact and simpler. I'm sure it would still require some sort of ram air though. A typical single-engine aircraft heater consists of a shroud mounted around one of the exhaust manifolds, vented to the cockpit! :O -Matt Bailey On Monday 25 November 2002 13:43 pm, you wrote: > I hear that. It reminds me of many CAP SAREX flights > at minimum altitude and flying slow in the middle of > the summer. After we leave the grid we climb rapidly > to reach cooler air. > Justin > ------------------------------ > > All the Cessnas (and all other GA planes) I've ever > flown have only had > vents. No AC. Barely even a heater. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 23:48:43 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:48:43 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <001901c294d4$4c9e3710$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <002001c294dd$30259d90$0100a8c0@main> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C294B3.474F9590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a rough sketch of the idea for a "widow" A/C connected to a pit: http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpict ures/.pond/ac.jpg. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Craig Rochester Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:45 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Albert, Sorry for the tardy response, but work's real busy right; major HVAC project. I'm working on a "fill room" cleanroom. The room is 14' x 15' x 9' tall and has 7,500 CFM air flow. The air is replaced in the room 4.5 times a minute. The temperature is held to 65F +/- 1F and RH to 45% +/- 5%. The equipment could easily condition a couple of medium size houses. FWIW, here's some info on RH vs.. T: Here's a link for the "psychrometrics" of air: http://www.ianr.unl.edu/pubs/generalag/g626.htm#air Relative humidity is a measure of the moisture absorbed by air. Warm air can hold a lot more water than cold air. For a given temperature, the air has a maximum about it can absorb. The RH number in % is the amount water in the air divided my the maximum amount it could hold at that temperature(saturated). So when you heat up some air with a certain RH, the amount of water remains constant, but the RH goes down. Also, humidity "moves" differently than heat. Humidity will "migrate" from humid air to less humid air as pressure is the driving force(vapor pressure). So why the RH sermon? It makes a real difference for a person's comfort. Our bodies cool by evaporative cooling(sweating). As the air becomes more humid, the sweat evaporates less efficiently to a point where we sweat faster than it dies and we get "sweaty" = uncomfortable. Also, as the sweat evaporates and we breath out moist air, the RH in a small space like a cockpit will increase to a point where the air is saturated and condensation will form on the cooler surfaces(stuff will fog up). The problem with evaporative cooling is that the process adds moisture to the air, and in a closed room, the humidity will rise to a point where the cooler won't cool anymore(the fan will add heat). With room air conditions you gave, 90F/30%, if you cooled this to 70F with evaporation you'd have about 85% RH. That's sticky. With a standard A/C unit(vapor compression) air is cooled to the point where the water condenses out(it drips out the bottom), and you get "free" dehumidification,. So not only do you cool the air, but you knock down the humidity, both together provide a comfortable feel. I like warm and dry better than cool and damp. My favorite conditions for low physical activity is 70F with 45% RH(max 50%). I might even drop that a bit when flying Falcon4, as bogeys are always on my butt. A small "window" A/C, about 4,000 BTU(1500 kW), is about 18" x 20" x 14" tall. I've got two, both of which I got off the street(trash day) and worked after cleaning the coils. I'll draw a diagram to illustrate what I have in mind, if you're interested. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:39 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Craig, I invested in a half decent Hygrometer with in/out thermo reading. This will allow me to give you some good reading of my room. Also in the afternoon rush hour, I went to a electronic chain here just before they closed today...only saw the evaporative cooler. Cool my brain off first before I walk back out to the 84degree heat. With my newly purchase gadget, I can tell you today's relative humidity is 33% with a chances of a late shower...hehe. Today was the Hotest November night since 1988....in Sydney. Anyway, I agree with you. If the monitor are located inside the pit then it will dramatically increase the heat factor. Sucking outdoor air into the pit has been considered...but might not be possible to achieve. My room size is 12ft x 9ft. Brick wall facing north east and north west. Window is about 2.5ft by 4 ft.facing the north west. Architectural wise, this room get good use of natural sunlight and also get a good breeze from the door which directly face the window. Ok, here's the weather update...right now. its 31degree C or 87.6 F in here...the back of 3 monitors is 99.7F the room's relative humidity was 37%. 8% lower than it was when I first entered the room with window shut... Unfortunately, it will be very impossible to mount a window unit on a stand...or anywhere in the room... There are a few floor standing evaporative cooler which kinda feel cool. I might get one of them since it only cost about 100USD. Try it out in my room and see how much they can cool the room for normal purpose. However, I do question the reading I got here 36% RH will prehaps make the Evaporative cooler less effective. I found an old fan which I can use maybe to provide suction out of the pit or blowing it into the pit. While other issues you mentioned I will get to them in a direct email to you :) Thanks a tonne for every bit of your advise mate! I can not do without them. Albert ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Rochester To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Albert, I think ventilation is important to consider in the design. Not only for your comfort, but for the reliability of the electronics. E.g.., if a monitor is in the pit, that's a lot of heat. I live in Boston, USA and my PC and 20" monitor heat my small 6' x 10' office(one exterior wall). You'll probably want the make-up outside air to be directed at your body and then flow out through the electronics to carry the heat away. I'd look into how the F-16 does the ventilation and go from there. Regarding the air conditioner, you can make the window unit work without putting it in the window. You could just let the heat dump in the room and put a good exhaust fan in the window. A better way would be to mount it on a stand inside the room as close to the window as practicable. You would then build a shroud over the exhaust louvers to(slits on sides and top) to direct the hot air out of the window. Connect a medium sized fan to the shroud with a large flex duct and attach the fan to the window bars. There will also be condensation dripping from the air conditioner that will have to be directed to a drain or bucket. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:01 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? G'day Craig, Love your work, all those things you had mentioned are things that I have not considered in great depth up to this point. Looks like if I was to put a canopy on the pit. I will be jumping into a real deepend. This weekend I was just drawing up plans for the hull and how I will have to construct it differently if an enclosed canopy will be place ontop. Do you think its worth while to be paranoi (like myself) to worry about all these things so early on...or should I just go ahead and build the damn thing up then I can get some realistic measures of T and RH inside the pit. Then I can figure out if I need some sort of active cooling? The window air conditioner option is definetly out. I live in a place where I wont even dare to stick a satellete dish out the window, it will get knock off too easily. So my only mean to cool this room down is the option of one portable air conditioner or evaporative cooler that does not include an outdoor component to function. Thanks for making this sophiscated concept relatively simple to understand. I will shot you a private email asap. Cheers, Albert p.s. Gene, I think this is definetly a good topic article for the simpits.org site. What do you reckon? ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Rochester To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 AM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a lot of HVAC in my work. Before you decide on cooling you should consider ventilation first. Your pit is basically a small room in a larger room. Here are the basic details to evaluate: 1.. What AC and or ventilation do you have in the room the pit is in? I.e. room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply temperature(out of duct). 2.. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and Relative Humidity(RH) does you location see summer/winter? 3.. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will you use? 4.. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come from and where will it exhaust? 5.. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in the pit? The RH is a very important parameter that is often overlooked. The simplest way to get rid of the humidity and heat generated by you and the equipment is to exhaust it out. What goes out must be made up "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this must be cold enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH equilibrium that is comfortable. IF the room's air is good enough to provide sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust system(simple fan) with vents located to direct the OA air through the pit. If you room is too warm or humid to knock down the T/RH of the pit, then active cooling is required. If cost is important and you're handy(if you can build a pit...) I'd use a regular window air conditioner and build a shroud around the "evaporator" section, the part that goes outside the window. The shroud would be connected to a fan to blow the air outside the room through the bars. The room-side of the air conditioner would be directed to the pit's OA make-up. I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the details if you wish. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi guys, This is a question especially for those of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound to build up within the pit? Heat generated from all the electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own body heat The only reason why I want to have a canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :) To make matter worse I live in a flat where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air conditioner or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the pit. My second question would be, evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air conditioner. Would love to hear all of your thoughts :) Albert Sydney, bloody boiling in Austraila ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C294B3.474F9590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's a=20 rough sketch of the idea for a "widow" A/C connected to a pit: http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/s= itebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/ac.jpg. 
 
Craig=20 R.
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On=20 Behalf Of Craig Rochester
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 = 5:45=20 PM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: = [simpits-tech]=20 How do you deal with temperature inside the = pit?

Hi=20 Albert,
 
Sorry for the tardy response, but work's real busy right; = major HVAC=20 project.  I'm working on a "fill room" cleanroom.  The room = is 14' x=20 15' x 9' tall and has 7,500 CFM air flow.  The air is = replaced in=20 the room 4.5 times a minute.  The temperature is held to 65F = +/- 1F=20 and RH to 45%  +/- 5%.  The equipment could easily condition = a=20 couple of medium size houses.
 
FWIW, here's some info on RH vs.. T:
 
Here's a link for the "psychrometrics" of = air: http://www.i= anr.unl.edu/pubs/generalag/g626.htm#air
 
Relative humidity is a measure of the moisture absorbed by = air. =20 Warm air can hold a lot more water than cold air.  For a given=20 temperature, the air has a maximum about it can absorb.  The RH = number in=20 % is the amount water in the air divided my the maximum amount it = could hold=20 at that temperature(saturated).  So when you heat up some air = with a=20 certain RH, the amount of water remains constant, but the RH goes = down. Also,=20 humidity "moves" differently than heat.  Humidity will "migrate" = from=20 humid air to less humid air as pressure is the driving force(vapor=20 pressure).
 
So=20 why the RH sermon?  It makes a real difference for a person's=20 comfort.  Our bodies cool by evaporative cooling(sweating).  = As the=20 air becomes more humid, the sweat evaporates less efficiently to = a point=20 where we sweat faster than it dies and we get "sweaty" =3D = uncomfortable. =20 Also, as the sweat evaporates and we breath out moist air, the RH in a = small=20 space like a cockpit will increase to a point where the air is = saturated and=20 condensation will form on the cooler surfaces(stuff will fog=20 up).
 
The=20 problem with evaporative cooling is that the process adds moisture to = the air,=20 and in a closed room, the humidity will rise to a point where the = cooler won't=20 cool anymore(the fan will add heat).  With room air conditions = you gave,=20 90F/30%, if you cooled this to 70F with evaporation you'd have about = 85%=20 RH.  That's sticky.
 
With=20 a standard A/C unit(vapor compression) air is cooled to the point = where the=20 water condenses out(it drips out the bottom), and you get "free"=20 dehumidification,.  So not only do you cool the air, but you = knock down=20 the humidity, both together provide a comfortable feel.  I like = warm and=20 dry better than cool and damp.  My favorite conditions for low = physical=20 activity is 70F with 45% RH(max 50%).  I might even drop that a = bit when=20 flying Falcon4, as bogeys are always on my butt.
 
A=20 small "window" A/C, about 4,000 BTU(1500 kW), is about 18" x 20" = x 14"=20 tall.  I've got two, both of which I got off the street(trash=20 day) and worked after cleaning the coils. I'll draw a = diagram to=20 illustrate what I have in mind, if you're = interested.
 
Craig R.
 
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:39 AM
To: = simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do = you deal=20 with temperature inside the pit?

Hi Craig,
 
I invested in a half decent = Hygrometer with=20 in/out thermo reading. This will allow me to give you some good = reading of=20 my room. Also in the = afternoon rush=20 hour, I went to a electronic chain here just before they closed = today...only=20 saw the evaporative cooler. Cool my brain off first before I walk = back out=20 to the 84degree heat. With my newly purchase gadget, I can tell you = today's=20 relative humidity is 33% with a chances of a late shower...hehe. = Today was=20 the Hotest November night since 1988....in Sydney.
 
Anyway, I agree with you. If the = monitor are=20 located inside the pit then it will dramatically increase the heat = factor.=20 Sucking outdoor air into the pit has been considered...but might not = be=20 possible to achieve. My room size is 12ft x 9ft. Brick wall facing = north=20 east and north west. Window is about 2.5ft by 4 ft.facing the north=20 west.
 
Architectural wise, this room get = good use of=20 natural sunlight and also get a good breeze from the door which = directly=20 face the window.
 
Ok, here's the weather = update...right now. its=20 31degree C or 87.6 F in here...the back of 3 monitors is 99.7F  = the=20 room's relative humidity was 37%. 8% lower than it was when I first = entered=20 the room with window shut...
 
Unfortunately, it will be very = impossible to=20 mount a window unit on a stand...or anywhere in the room... There = are a few=20 floor standing evaporative cooler which kinda feel cool. I might get = one of=20 them since it only cost about 100USD. Try it out in my room and see = how much=20 they can cool the room for normal purpose. However, I do question = the=20 reading I got here 36% RH will prehaps make the Evaporative cooler = less=20 effective.
 
I found an old fan which I can use = maybe to=20 provide suction out of the pit or blowing it into the pit. While = other=20 issues you mentioned I will get to them in a direct email to you=20 :)
 
Thanks a tonne for every bit of = your advise=20 mate! I can not do without them.
 
Albert
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Craig=20 Rochester
Sent: Monday, November 25, = 2002 5:48=20 AM
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] = How do=20 you deal with temperature inside the pit?

Hi Albert,
 
I think ventilation is important to = consider in=20 the design.  Not only for your comfort, but for the = reliability of=20 the electronics.  E.g.., if a monitor is in the pit, that's a = lot of=20 heat.  I live in Boston, USA and my  PC and 20" = monitor=20 heat my small 6' x 10' office(one exterior wall).  You'll = probably=20 want the make-up outside air to be directed at your body and then = flow=20 out through the electronics to carry the heat away.  I'd = look=20 into how the F-16 does the ventilation and go from=20 there.
 
Regarding the air conditioner,  = you can make=20 the window unit work without putting it in the window.  You = could=20 just let the heat dump in the room and put a good exhaust fan in = the=20 window.  A better way would be to mount it on a = stand=20 inside the room as close to the window as practicable.  You = would=20 then build a shroud over the exhaust louvers to(slits on sides and = top) to=20 direct the hot air out of the window. Connect a medium sized = fan to=20 the shroud with a large flex duct and attach the fan to the window = bars.  There will also be condensation dripping from the air=20 conditioner that will have to be directed to a drain or=20 bucket.
 
Craig R.
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:01 = PM
To:=20 simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How = do you=20 deal with temperature inside the pit?

G'day Craig,
 
Love your work, all those = things you had=20 mentioned are things that I have not considered in great depth = up to=20 this point. Looks like if I was to put a canopy on the pit. I = will be=20 jumping into a real deepend. This weekend I was just drawing up = plans=20 for the hull and how I will have to construct it differently if = an=20 enclosed canopy will be place ontop. Do you think its worth = while to be=20 paranoi (like myself) to worry about all these things so early = on...or=20 should I just go ahead and build the damn thing up then I can = get some=20 realistic measures of T and RH inside the pit. Then I can figure = out if=20 I need some sort of active cooling?
 
The window air conditioner = option is=20 definetly out. I live in a place where I wont even dare to stick = a=20 satellete dish out the window, it will get knock off too easily. = So my=20 only mean to cool this room down is the option of one portable = air=20 conditioner or evaporative cooler that does not include an = outdoor=20 component to function.
 
Thanks for making this = sophiscated=20 concept relatively simple to understand.
 
I will shot you a private email = asap.
 
Cheers,
 
Albert
p.s. Gene, I think=20 this is definetly a good topic article for the simpits.org site. = What do=20 you reckon?
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Craig Rochester =
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org=20
Sent: Monday, November = 25, 2002=20 3:38 AM
Subject: RE: = [simpits-tech] How=20 do you deal with temperature inside the pit?

Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a = lot of=20 HVAC in my work.
 
Before you decide on cooling you should consider = ventilation=20 first.  Your pit is basically a small room in a larger = room. Here=20 are the basic details to evaluate:
  1. What=20 AC and or ventilation do you have in the room the = pit is=20 in?  I.e. room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply=20 temperature(out of duct).=20
  2. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and = Relative=20 Humidity(RH) does you location see = summer/winter?=20
  3. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will = you=20 use?=20
  4. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come = from and=20 where will it exhaust?=20
  5. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in = the=20 pit?
The RH is a very important parameter that is often=20 overlooked.  The simplest way to get rid of the humidity = and heat=20 generated by you and the equipment is to exhaust it out.  = What=20 goes out must be made up "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this = must be=20 cold enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH equilibrium = that is=20 comfortable.  IF the room's air is good enough to provide = sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust = system(simple fan) with vents located to direct the OA = air=20 through the pit.
 
If you room is too warm or humid to knock down the = T/RH of the=20 pit, then active cooling is required.  If cost is = important and=20 you're handy(if you can build a pit...) I'd use a regular = window air=20 conditioner and build a shroud around the "evaporator" = section, the=20 part that goes outside the window.  The shroud would = be=20 connected to a fan to blow the air outside the room through = the=20 bars.  The room-side of the air conditioner would be = directed to=20 the pit's OA make-up.
 
I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the = details if=20 you wish.
 
Craig R.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of = Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16=20 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: = [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the=20 pit?

Hi guys,
 
This is a question = especially for those=20 of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit=20 (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you = deal with=20 temperature that will bound to build up within the = pit?
 
Heat generated from all the = electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not = using a=20 projector) and your own body heat
 
The only reason why I want = to have a=20 canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself = when I=20 talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to = "premanently"=20 sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the = cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :)
 
To make matter worse I live = in a flat=20 where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse = cycle air=20 cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out = intruders=20 so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My = only hope=20 would be a portable air conditioner or one of those = evaporative=20 coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the = pit.
 
My second question would = be,=20 evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the = inner=20 space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is = like 1/10=20 of a portable air conditioner.
 
Would love to hear all of = your thoughts=20 :)
 
Albert
Sydney, bloody boiling in=20 = Austraila
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C294B3.474F9590-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 23:56:30 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:56:30 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <001901c294d4$4c9e3710$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <002501c294de$46a16cb0$0100a8c0@main> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C294B4.5DCB64B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll try to post this sketch again :( http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpic tures/ac.jpg Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Craig Rochester Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:45 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Albert, Sorry for the tardy response, but work's real busy right; major HVAC project. I'm working on a "fill room" cleanroom. The room is 14' x 15' x 9' tall and has 7,500 CFM air flow. The air is replaced in the room 4.5 times a minute. The temperature is held to 65F +/- 1F and RH to 45% +/- 5%. The equipment could easily condition a couple of medium size houses. FWIW, here's some info on RH vs.. T: Here's a link for the "psychrometrics" of air: http://www.ianr.unl.edu/pubs/generalag/g626.htm#air Relative humidity is a measure of the moisture absorbed by air. Warm air can hold a lot more water than cold air. For a given temperature, the air has a maximum about it can absorb. The RH number in % is the amount water in the air divided my the maximum amount it could hold at that temperature(saturated). So when you heat up some air with a certain RH, the amount of water remains constant, but the RH goes down. Also, humidity "moves" differently than heat. Humidity will "migrate" from humid air to less humid air as pressure is the driving force(vapor pressure). So why the RH sermon? It makes a real difference for a person's comfort. Our bodies cool by evaporative cooling(sweating). As the air becomes more humid, the sweat evaporates less efficiently to a point where we sweat faster than it dies and we get "sweaty" = uncomfortable. Also, as the sweat evaporates and we breath out moist air, the RH in a small space like a cockpit will increase to a point where the air is saturated and condensation will form on the cooler surfaces(stuff will fog up). The problem with evaporative cooling is that the process adds moisture to the air, and in a closed room, the humidity will rise to a point where the cooler won't cool anymore(the fan will add heat). With room air conditions you gave, 90F/30%, if you cooled this to 70F with evaporation you'd have about 85% RH. That's sticky. With a standard A/C unit(vapor compression) air is cooled to the point where the water condenses out(it drips out the bottom), and you get "free" dehumidification,. So not only do you cool the air, but you knock down the humidity, both together provide a comfortable feel. I like warm and dry better than cool and damp. My favorite conditions for low physical activity is 70F with 45% RH(max 50%). I might even drop that a bit when flying Falcon4, as bogeys are always on my butt. A small "window" A/C, about 4,000 BTU(1500 kW), is about 18" x 20" x 14" tall. I've got two, both of which I got off the street(trash day) and worked after cleaning the coils. I'll draw a diagram to illustrate what I have in mind, if you're interested. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:39 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Craig, I invested in a half decent Hygrometer with in/out thermo reading. This will allow me to give you some good reading of my room. Also in the afternoon rush hour, I went to a electronic chain here just before they closed today...only saw the evaporative cooler. Cool my brain off first before I walk back out to the 84degree heat. With my newly purchase gadget, I can tell you today's relative humidity is 33% with a chances of a late shower...hehe. Today was the Hotest November night since 1988....in Sydney. Anyway, I agree with you. If the monitor are located inside the pit then it will dramatically increase the heat factor. Sucking outdoor air into the pit has been considered...but might not be possible to achieve. My room size is 12ft x 9ft. Brick wall facing north east and north west. Window is about 2.5ft by 4 ft.facing the north west. Architectural wise, this room get good use of natural sunlight and also get a good breeze from the door which directly face the window. Ok, here's the weather update...right now. its 31degree C or 87.6 F in here...the back of 3 monitors is 99.7F the room's relative humidity was 37%. 8% lower than it was when I first entered the room with window shut... Unfortunately, it will be very impossible to mount a window unit on a stand...or anywhere in the room... There are a few floor standing evaporative cooler which kinda feel cool. I might get one of them since it only cost about 100USD. Try it out in my room and see how much they can cool the room for normal purpose. However, I do question the reading I got here 36% RH will prehaps make the Evaporative cooler less effective. I found an old fan which I can use maybe to provide suction out of the pit or blowing it into the pit. While other issues you mentioned I will get to them in a direct email to you :) Thanks a tonne for every bit of your advise mate! I can not do without them. Albert ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Rochester To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Albert, I think ventilation is important to consider in the design. Not only for your comfort, but for the reliability of the electronics. E.g.., if a monitor is in the pit, that's a lot of heat. I live in Boston, USA and my PC and 20" monitor heat my small 6' x 10' office(one exterior wall). You'll probably want the make-up outside air to be directed at your body and then flow out through the electronics to carry the heat away. I'd look into how the F-16 does the ventilation and go from there. Regarding the air conditioner, you can make the window unit work without putting it in the window. You could just let the heat dump in the room and put a good exhaust fan in the window. A better way would be to mount it on a stand inside the room as close to the window as practicable. You would then build a shroud over the exhaust louvers to(slits on sides and top) to direct the hot air out of the window. Connect a medium sized fan to the shroud with a large flex duct and attach the fan to the window bars. There will also be condensation dripping from the air conditioner that will have to be directed to a drain or bucket. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:01 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? G'day Craig, Love your work, all those things you had mentioned are things that I have not considered in great depth up to this point. Looks like if I was to put a canopy on the pit. I will be jumping into a real deepend. This weekend I was just drawing up plans for the hull and how I will have to construct it differently if an enclosed canopy will be place ontop. Do you think its worth while to be paranoi (like myself) to worry about all these things so early on...or should I just go ahead and build the damn thing up then I can get some realistic measures of T and RH inside the pit. Then I can figure out if I need some sort of active cooling? The window air conditioner option is definetly out. I live in a place where I wont even dare to stick a satellete dish out the window, it will get knock off too easily. So my only mean to cool this room down is the option of one portable air conditioner or evaporative cooler that does not include an outdoor component to function. Thanks for making this sophiscated concept relatively simple to understand. I will shot you a private email asap. Cheers, Albert p.s. Gene, I think this is definetly a good topic article for the simpits.org site. What do you reckon? ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Rochester To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 AM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a lot of HVAC in my work. Before you decide on cooling you should consider ventilation first. Your pit is basically a small room in a larger room. Here are the basic details to evaluate: 1.. What AC and or ventilation do you have in the room the pit is in? I.e. room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply temperature(out of duct). 2.. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and Relative Humidity(RH) does you location see summer/winter? 3.. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will you use? 4.. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come from and where will it exhaust? 5.. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in the pit? The RH is a very important parameter that is often overlooked. The simplest way to get rid of the humidity and heat generated by you and the equipment is to exhaust it out. What goes out must be made up "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this must be cold enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH equilibrium that is comfortable. IF the room's air is good enough to provide sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust system(simple fan) with vents located to direct the OA air through the pit. If you room is too warm or humid to knock down the T/RH of the pit, then active cooling is required. If cost is important and you're handy(if you can build a pit...) I'd use a regular window air conditioner and build a shroud around the "evaporator" section, the part that goes outside the window. The shroud would be connected to a fan to blow the air outside the room through the bars. The room-side of the air conditioner would be directed to the pit's OA make-up. I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the details if you wish. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi guys, This is a question especially for those of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you deal with temperature that will bound to build up within the pit? Heat generated from all the electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not using a projector) and your own body heat The only reason why I want to have a canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself when I talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to "premanently" sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :) To make matter worse I live in a flat where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse cycle air cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out intruders so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My only hope would be a portable air conditioner or one of those evaporative coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the pit. My second question would be, evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the inner space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is like 1/10 of a portable air conditioner. Would love to hear all of your thoughts :) Albert Sydney, bloody boiling in Austraila ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C294B4.5DCB64B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll=20 try to post this sketch again :( http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester//siteb= uildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ac.jpg
 
Craig=20 R.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On=20 Behalf Of Craig Rochester
Sent: Monday, November 25, = 2002 5:45=20 PM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE:=20 [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the=20 pit?

Hi=20 Albert,
 
Sorry for the tardy response, but work's real busy right; = major HVAC=20 project.  I'm working on a "fill room" cleanroom.  The room = is 14' x=20 15' x 9' tall and has 7,500 CFM air flow.  The air is = replaced in=20 the room 4.5 times a minute.  The temperature is held to 65F = +/- 1F=20 and RH to 45%  +/- 5%.  The equipment could easily condition = a=20 couple of medium size houses.
 
FWIW, here's some info on RH vs.. T:
 
Here's a link for the "psychrometrics" of = air: http://www.i= anr.unl.edu/pubs/generalag/g626.htm#air
 
Relative humidity is a measure of the moisture absorbed by = air. =20 Warm air can hold a lot more water than cold air.  For a given=20 temperature, the air has a maximum about it can absorb.  The RH = number in=20 % is the amount water in the air divided my the maximum amount it = could hold=20 at that temperature(saturated).  So when you heat up some air = with a=20 certain RH, the amount of water remains constant, but the RH goes = down. Also,=20 humidity "moves" differently than heat.  Humidity will "migrate" = from=20 humid air to less humid air as pressure is the driving force(vapor=20 pressure).
 
So=20 why the RH sermon?  It makes a real difference for a person's=20 comfort.  Our bodies cool by evaporative cooling(sweating).  = As the=20 air becomes more humid, the sweat evaporates less efficiently to = a point=20 where we sweat faster than it dies and we get "sweaty" =3D = uncomfortable. =20 Also, as the sweat evaporates and we breath out moist air, the RH in a = small=20 space like a cockpit will increase to a point where the air is = saturated and=20 condensation will form on the cooler surfaces(stuff will fog=20 up).
 
The=20 problem with evaporative cooling is that the process adds moisture to = the air,=20 and in a closed room, the humidity will rise to a point where the = cooler won't=20 cool anymore(the fan will add heat).  With room air conditions = you gave,=20 90F/30%, if you cooled this to 70F with evaporation you'd have about = 85%=20 RH.  That's sticky.
 
With=20 a standard A/C unit(vapor compression) air is cooled to the point = where the=20 water condenses out(it drips out the bottom), and you get "free"=20 dehumidification,.  So not only do you cool the air, but you = knock down=20 the humidity, both together provide a comfortable feel.  I like = warm and=20 dry better than cool and damp.  My favorite conditions for low = physical=20 activity is 70F with 45% RH(max 50%).  I might even drop that a = bit when=20 flying Falcon4, as bogeys are always on my butt.
 
A=20 small "window" A/C, about 4,000 BTU(1500 kW), is about 18" x 20" = x 14"=20 tall.  I've got two, both of which I got off the street(trash=20 day) and worked after cleaning the coils. I'll draw a = diagram to=20 illustrate what I have in mind, if you're = interested.
 
Craig R.
 
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:39 AM
To: = simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do = you deal=20 with temperature inside the pit?

Hi Craig,
 
I invested in a half decent = Hygrometer with=20 in/out thermo reading. This will allow me to give you some good = reading of=20 my room. Also in the = afternoon rush=20 hour, I went to a electronic chain here just before they closed = today...only=20 saw the evaporative cooler. Cool my brain off first before I walk = back out=20 to the 84degree heat. With my newly purchase gadget, I can tell you = today's=20 relative humidity is 33% with a chances of a late shower...hehe. = Today was=20 the Hotest November night since 1988....in Sydney.
 
Anyway, I agree with you. If the = monitor are=20 located inside the pit then it will dramatically increase the heat = factor.=20 Sucking outdoor air into the pit has been considered...but might not = be=20 possible to achieve. My room size is 12ft x 9ft. Brick wall facing = north=20 east and north west. Window is about 2.5ft by 4 ft.facing the north=20 west.
 
Architectural wise, this room get = good use of=20 natural sunlight and also get a good breeze from the door which = directly=20 face the window.
 
Ok, here's the weather = update...right now. its=20 31degree C or 87.6 F in here...the back of 3 monitors is 99.7F  = the=20 room's relative humidity was 37%. 8% lower than it was when I first = entered=20 the room with window shut...
 
Unfortunately, it will be very = impossible to=20 mount a window unit on a stand...or anywhere in the room... There = are a few=20 floor standing evaporative cooler which kinda feel cool. I might get = one of=20 them since it only cost about 100USD. Try it out in my room and see = how much=20 they can cool the room for normal purpose. However, I do question = the=20 reading I got here 36% RH will prehaps make the Evaporative cooler = less=20 effective.
 
I found an old fan which I can use = maybe to=20 provide suction out of the pit or blowing it into the pit. While = other=20 issues you mentioned I will get to them in a direct email to you=20 :)
 
Thanks a tonne for every bit of = your advise=20 mate! I can not do without them.
 
Albert
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Craig=20 Rochester
Sent: Monday, November 25, = 2002 5:48=20 AM
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] = How do=20 you deal with temperature inside the pit?

Hi Albert,
 
I think ventilation is important to = consider in=20 the design.  Not only for your comfort, but for the = reliability of=20 the electronics.  E.g.., if a monitor is in the pit, that's a = lot of=20 heat.  I live in Boston, USA and my  PC and 20" = monitor=20 heat my small 6' x 10' office(one exterior wall).  You'll = probably=20 want the make-up outside air to be directed at your body and then = flow=20 out through the electronics to carry the heat away.  I'd = look=20 into how the F-16 does the ventilation and go from=20 there.
 
Regarding the air conditioner,  = you can make=20 the window unit work without putting it in the window.  You = could=20 just let the heat dump in the room and put a good exhaust fan in = the=20 window.  A better way would be to mount it on a = stand=20 inside the room as close to the window as practicable.  You = would=20 then build a shroud over the exhaust louvers to(slits on sides and = top) to=20 direct the hot air out of the window. Connect a medium sized = fan to=20 the shroud with a large flex duct and attach the fan to the window = bars.  There will also be condensation dripping from the air=20 conditioner that will have to be directed to a drain or=20 bucket.
 
Craig R.
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:01 = PM
To:=20 simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How = do you=20 deal with temperature inside the pit?

G'day Craig,
 
Love your work, all those = things you had=20 mentioned are things that I have not considered in great depth = up to=20 this point. Looks like if I was to put a canopy on the pit. I = will be=20 jumping into a real deepend. This weekend I was just drawing up = plans=20 for the hull and how I will have to construct it differently if = an=20 enclosed canopy will be place ontop. Do you think its worth = while to be=20 paranoi (like myself) to worry about all these things so early = on...or=20 should I just go ahead and build the damn thing up then I can = get some=20 realistic measures of T and RH inside the pit. Then I can figure = out if=20 I need some sort of active cooling?
 
The window air conditioner = option is=20 definetly out. I live in a place where I wont even dare to stick = a=20 satellete dish out the window, it will get knock off too easily. = So my=20 only mean to cool this room down is the option of one portable = air=20 conditioner or evaporative cooler that does not include an = outdoor=20 component to function.
 
Thanks for making this = sophiscated=20 concept relatively simple to understand.
 
I will shot you a private email = asap.
 
Cheers,
 
Albert
p.s. Gene, I think=20 this is definetly a good topic article for the simpits.org site. = What do=20 you reckon?
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Craig Rochester =
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org=20
Sent: Monday, November = 25, 2002=20 3:38 AM
Subject: RE: = [simpits-tech] How=20 do you deal with temperature inside the pit?

Finally a question I'm qualified to answer. :) I do a = lot of=20 HVAC in my work.
 
Before you decide on cooling you should consider = ventilation=20 first.  Your pit is basically a small room in a larger = room. Here=20 are the basic details to evaluate:
  1. What=20 AC and or ventilation do you have in the room the = pit is=20 in?  I.e. room size, AC air flow rate, AC air supply=20 temperature(out of duct).=20
  2. What outside air conditions, Temperature(T) and = Relative=20 Humidity(RH) does you location see = summer/winter?=20
  3. What clothing and/or helmet and mask equipment will = you=20 use?=20
  4. If you use a "oxygen mask" where will the air come = from and=20 where will it exhaust?=20
  5. How much heat will be generated by the equipment in = the=20 pit?
The RH is a very important parameter that is often=20 overlooked.  The simplest way to get rid of the humidity = and heat=20 generated by you and the equipment is to exhaust it out.  = What=20 goes out must be made up "Outside Air Make-up"(OA) and this = must be=20 cold enough and dry enough to provide a T and RH equilibrium = that is=20 comfortable.  IF the room's air is good enough to provide = sufficient OA to the pit all you need to do is have an exhaust = system(simple fan) with vents located to direct the OA = air=20 through the pit.
 
If you room is too warm or humid to knock down the = T/RH of the=20 pit, then active cooling is required.  If cost is = important and=20 you're handy(if you can build a pit...) I'd use a regular = window air=20 conditioner and build a shroud around the "evaporator" = section, the=20 part that goes outside the window.  The shroud would = be=20 connected to a fan to blow the air outside the room through = the=20 bars.  The room-side of the air conditioner would be = directed to=20 the pit's OA make-up.
 
I'd be glad to provide assistance in determining the = details if=20 you wish.
 
Craig R.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of = Albert=20 Yung
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:16=20 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: = [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the=20 pit?

Hi guys,
 
This is a question = especially for those=20 of you who have or planning on building an enclose cockpit=20 (especially for the f16), i.e. with a canopy. How do you = deal with=20 temperature that will bound to build up within the = pit?
 
Heat generated from all the = electronics, backlid panels, extra monitors (If you are not = using a=20 projector) and your own body heat
 
The only reason why I want = to have a=20 canopy is not for aesthetic but for "Sound proofing" myself = when I=20 talk over RW (because I share room).I dont want to = "premanently"=20 sound proofing myself by suffercating myself from within the = cockpit. Turning the pit into a coffin :)
 
To make matter worse I live = in a flat=20 where I cant break any walls to put in a ducted reverse = cycle air=20 cond... I have grills and bars on my windows to keep out = intruders=20 so no way I can put in a wall/window mounted air cond. My = only hope=20 would be a portable air conditioner or one of those = evaporative=20 coolers...modify it and throw an inlet into the = pit.
 
My second question would = be,=20 evaporative coolers, are they any effective in cooling the = inner=20 space of the f16 pit? because the price of one of them is = like 1/10=20 of a portable air conditioner.
 
Would love to hear all of = your thoughts=20 :)
 
Albert
Sydney, bloody boiling in=20 = Austraila
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C294B4.5DCB64B0-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 03:53:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Steve Wilson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:53:04 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 In-Reply-To: <00d101c294d5$3142c700$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: <200211260352.TAA13590@uridium.deltasoft.com> Hehe, hate me too. Brag: I got the first set off the production line. :) Shame: I haven't been able to get the temporary cockpit ready so that I can play with these new feets toys. :( That is a T-Day project. Appropriate, since I've had these things for over a month and feel very much the turkey for not having them in action yet. But they are every bit as spiffy as Martin sez they are. Hey Pogo - thinking about putting a light in the footwells of your pit so you can show these beauties off???!! Steve -- Steve Wilson, mafsix@attbi.com on 11/25/2002 On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:51:29 -0500, kelly Mclaren wrote: :::: ::::   These are f***ing beautiful, I hate you :-) :::: ::::   Marc.. :::: ::::   ----- Original Message ----- ::::   From: "F16" ::::   To: ::::   Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:31 PM ::::   Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 :::: :::: ::::   > For a long time I have been looking for either the original ::::   pedals or a ::::   > good copy for my F-16 simulator. After a while I found ::::   "RealSimulator" ::::   > (http://www.realsimulator.com) in Spain, who produce F-16- ::::   like pedals with ::::   > very high quality, toe-brakes and adjusting basis, to be ::::   used with the ::::   > Cougar by Thrustmaster (or EPIC with small work). ::::   > ::::   > After several consulting with my internal ;-) and external ::::   banking-account, ::::   > and due to canceling the vacation trip of the next year, I ::::   allowed myself ::::   > the luxury of buying these pedals, and I have to say, that I ::::   was not ::::   > disappointed at all. What was delivered by the mail-man some ::::   days later, ::::   > almost made me cry. Aprox. 10 kg of steel and metal in ::::   optimal quality and ::::   > workmanship :-). These things are the pure madness! Although ::::   they have a ::::   > high price, for me they are worth each cent!!! ::::   > ::::   > For those who are interested in reading a small test-report, ::::   I placed it ::::   on ::::   > my site, with lots of pictures ::::   > (http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_rud.htm). ::::   > ::::   > Have fun reading and crying (because of the cost and the ::::   quality of the ::::   > pedals of course ;-))) ::::   > ::::   > And, by the way, on my page ::::   > http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_par_cec_mfd.htm I have ::::   finish my first ::::   CAD ::::   > drawing with exact measurements from the MFD bezel ::::   > ::::   > Have a nice week ::::   > Martin "Pegasus" ::::   > ::::   > _______________________________________________ ::::   > Simpits-tech mailing list ::::   > Simpits-tech@simpits.org ::::   > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech ::::   > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of ::::   the above ::::   page.  Thanks! :::: ::::   _______________________________________________ ::::   Simpits-tech mailing list ::::   Simpits-tech@simpits.org ::::   http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech ::::   To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of ::::   the above page.  Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 09:55:20 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:55:20 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? References: <001901c294d4$4c9e3710$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <006201c29531$eec7e8d0$bfde08d0@betty> Albert Craig is correct air conditioners are relatively easy to repair a basic book for the library will enable you to repair one of the window mounted ones. With the possible exception of Gene's air conditioner which became the home to a nest of hornets, the nasty stingy ones we have here in the north west that only get meaner as the temperature goes up. Gene pushed his year old air conditioner out the window where it fell to its doom from the second floor. The use of a regular window mounted air conditioner is a very good idea, now if we could just find the money and find the way to convince Gene's wife that one is needed for the cockpit more than one is needed for the home. There is no way that I can see that she would ever see her way to believing that. Hell, I can't see myself believing that load and I am a pretty inventive guy. Then again Gene did convince her to marry him if you can imagine that. This does sound like a very good topic for an article on the Simpits web site. Albert, would you please keep track of all the messages and ideas as well. write the article up with photos of your solution and if others out there would like to do the same we can see what we can do to have a special on the topic. If we have more than a single contributor to this we can make it a regular feature for a couple of months worth of articles for the title page than they may be placed within the site under the engineering heading. Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other gauge, would that be too tacky? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Rochester" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Hi Albert, > > Sorry for the tardy response, but work's real busy right; major HVAC > project. I'm working on a "fill room" cleanroom. The room is 14' x 15' x > 9' tall and has 7,500 CFM air flow. The air is replaced in the room 4.5 > times a minute. The temperature is held to 65F +/- 1F and RH to 45% +/- > 5%. The equipment could easily condition a couple of medium size houses. etc... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/14/2002 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 10:06:05 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:06:05 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 References: <200211260352.TAA13590@uridium.deltasoft.com> Message-ID: <3DE3478D.8080009@gmx.net> > Hey Pogo - thinking about putting a light in the footwells > of your pit so you can show these beauties off???!! it's Martin "Pegasus", not Pogo ;) From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 13:36:11 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rochester, Craig) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:36:11 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pi t? Message-ID: <7798F8AC473C6E498F8041A2F8409C93E65E0D@biopuremail.corp.biopure.com> Rob, I'd be glad to put together some text, drawings, and links for the design methods for A/C and ventilation of a pit. Any info on the real aircraft systems would be helpful as a starting point: vents(nozzles) sizes and locations, temperature specs, A/C pilot controls and flight suit/helmet functionality would be helpful. My approach would be to simulate the performance for conditioning as well as sound levels. I think this might be particularly helpful for those who will be building a pit inside a space(room) that doesn't have air conditioning. For prop sim pits it would be cool to have simulated conditions for cold conditions for high altitudes and/or seasonal conditions. Craig R. Rob Hommel Wrote: Albert Craig is correct air conditioners are relatively easy to repair ... ...This does sound like a very good topic for an article on the Simpits web site. Albert, would you please keep track of all the messages and ideas as well. write the article up with photos of your solution and if others out there would like to do the same we can see what we can do to have a special on the topic. If we have more than a single contributor to this we can make it a regular feature for a couple of months worth of articles for the title page than they may be placed within the site under the engineering heading. Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other gauge, would that be too tacky? From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 14:41:18 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (simpits-tech@simpits.org) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:41:18 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 Message-ID: <200211261441.GAA17330@uridium.deltasoft.com> Oops! Sorry, "Pegasus" -- I get the Martins confused! Then again, there's all the Steve's. Thanks Michi - Steeeeve > > > Hey Pogo - thinking about putting a light in the footwells > > of your pit so you can show these beauties off???!! > > it's Martin "Pegasus", not Pogo ;) > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:03:45 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:03:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... Message-ID: http://www.fsbus.de/e_index.html g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:26:57 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:26:57 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... References: Message-ID: <3DE392C1.8040305@gmx.net> Gene Buckle wrote: > http://www.fsbus.de/e_index.html if you are able to read german, check out www.flightXpress.de and check out the forum for cockpit building. there is a huuuuuuuuuge thread about the fsbus system (with the developer and others..) greetings michi www.f16simulator.net From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:27:44 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Michi Hirczy) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:27:44 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 References: <200211261441.GAA17330@uridium.deltasoft.com> Message-ID: <3DE392F0.8030508@gmx.net> mafsix@attbi.com wrote: > Oops! Sorry, "Pegasus" -- I get the Martins confused! Then again, there's > all the Steve's. don't confuse me ;) > Thanks Michi - you're welcome. I know both Martins, so it was obvious to me ;) greetings michi www.f16simulator.net From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:30:08 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:30:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use two keyboards and two monitors? If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans. Danke, Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:27:35 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Albert Yung) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:27:35 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? References: <001901c294d4$4c9e3710$0100a8c0@main> <006201c29531$eec7e8d0$bfde08d0@betty> Message-ID: <003801c29560$921bce10$3b83adcb@window2000> Rob, Wll reply both email at once :) Incase anyone I miss or didnt reply to anyone in particular, please dont be offended, so many people have replied and I thank you all very much for ideas and thoughts. I have read everyone of them. What will I do without your help? However I am quite busy too. Ok...Muffin fans, sorry I never hear that term before. I figured it out now after looking at the picture and your description:) Incase you dont know, if you tell me AC and DC I will think its Angus Young instead of Alternating current and Distric of Columbus :) I have a phobia with electronics. The simpit project is really helping me to learn more about electronics thanks to all you patient people! Interesting partnership you've got with Gene, work, friends, and build pits together... man, only if I can find a mate who can spend time, and actually be interested in Jet and pit building. Most of my mate dont even care anymore... They know that I am an "addicted" and beyond the help of therapy and medicine. I will look into the window mounted air cond. I got an old friend who's an air cond person HVAC stuff... One that will not have time to sit down and go through the pit's need because he's too busy chasing after the cash in his job. I am writing this to you now sitting in a room with 49% relative humidity and 86.5 F :) Evaporative cooler wont really help would it? I will be glad to produce some materials inspired of this discussion. Its a matter of fact, I have the simpits group archieve back upto the 2000 I think. The other day I was scrolling back up the list...and thought... maybe if each one of us (or a few people) pick out a topic of mass interest...like the recent "Phidget radio", or a few months ago about "Home built HUD" , "MM5451 LED Driver" and this post....etc We can start off with just doing some cut and paste text from guys giving their respond. Many respond I see guys post up contain information links. It will be very easy to compile up a short article with the minimal use of time. Everything I am doing in the pit is kept in a small diary format. Some of them are on my own personal site. www.shizznit.com/simpit About the temperature gauge. No doubt, its a must for my pit but it will take form of a LCD. Already have ideas to hack up my newly brought thermometre. Place the one senser with the monitors, and one where I am sitting. Link up to an alarm with a warning light that says "PILOT OVERHEAT". Now I cant wait to build up the hull and a prototype canopy to see just how hot it will be inside. Cheers guys! Al Sydney, Australia From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:50:27 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:50:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can build a Y cable for the monitors, but not the keyboards. The keyboard is a clocked serial device and doesn't lend itself to being combined with another clocked serial device. g. On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Roy Coates wrote: > > > Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use > two keyboards and two monitors? > > If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans. > > Danke, > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:49:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Johan_Nauwelaertz_de_Ag=E9?=) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:49:14 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... References: Message-ID: <00ea01c29563$5f0577d0$1461e2d5@johancomp> Woha!!!! A "Por man's" EPIC, now this is interesting!!! Johan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... > http://www.fsbus.de/e_index.html > > g. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:51:26 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Johan_Nauwelaertz_de_Ag=E9?=) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:51:26 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors References: Message-ID: <00f201c29563$ad75e1c0$1461e2d5@johancomp> I have a y-cable to my two monitors, never tried with keyboard. Johan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > > > Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use > two keyboards and two monitors? > > If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans. > > Danke, > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 15:51:34 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6ltschi_Thomas?=) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:51:34 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... Message-ID: Really interesting project! Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] Sent: Dienstag, 26. November 2002 16:04 To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... http://www.fsbus.de/e_index.html g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 16:08:25 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:08:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: <00ea01c29563$5f0577d0$1461e2d5@johancomp> Message-ID: It's more of a "desperate man's EPIC". Go with Phidgets. They come already assembled and they just *work*. g. On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] Johan Nauwelaertz de Agé wrote: > Woha!!!! > > A "Por man's" EPIC, now this is interesting!!! > > > Johan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:03 PM > Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... > > > > http://www.fsbus.de/e_index.html > > > > g. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 16:09:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:09:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: <00f201c29563$ad75e1c0$1461e2d5@johancomp> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] Johan Nauwelaertz de Agé wrote: > I have a y-cable to my two monitors, never tried with keyboard. > Hmm, was this home made or store bought?? Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 16:16:28 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Ido Dekkers) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:16:28 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: <00f201c29563$ad75e1c0$1461e2d5@johancomp> Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0057971EC2256C7D_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess that if you use 2 USB keyboards it would work but i never tried it Ido Johan Nauwelaertz de Ag=E9 =20 Sent by: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org 11/26/2002 05:51 PM Please respond to simpits-tech@simpits.org To cc Subject Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors I have a y-cable to my two monitors, never tried with keyboard. 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--=_alternative 0057971EC2256C7D_=-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 16:26:33 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Albert Yung) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 03:26:33 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors References: Message-ID: <006101c29568$9bbbf8c0$3b83adcb@window2000> I have seen a Y cable for "something" wasnt sure what it was for. It was from the guys who made Xkeys, www.piengineering.com Cheers, Albert Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] Johan Nauwelaertz de Agé wrote: > I have a y-cable to my two monitors, never tried with keyboard. > Hmm, was this home made or store bought?? Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 16:39:42 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:39:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > You can build a Y cable for the monitors, but not the keyboards. The > keyboard is a clocked serial device and doesn't lend itself to being > combined with another clocked serial device. > I've connected 2 keyboards before.. it _almost_ works but the sync's obviously get somewhat confused! Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 16:40:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:40:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Ido Dekkers wrote: > I guess that if you use 2 USB keyboards it would work but i never tried it > On one pit I use the keyboard port for a KE72 and a dedicated controller. I use a USB keyboard/mouse for use outside the cockpit. Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 16:46:23 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chris Carter) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:46:23 -0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors References: <006101c29568$9bbbf8c0$3b83adcb@window2000> Message-ID: <00a601c2956b$7265aae0$0300a8c0@chrislaptop> Hi I use a Belkin PS/2 to USB convertor, which leaves the computer's PS/2 port free for my keyboard/masterpilot chain whilst another keyboard goes into the convertor. Later Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Yung" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors I have seen a Y cable for "something" wasnt sure what it was for. It was from the guys who made Xkeys, www.piengineering.com Cheers, Albert Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] Johan Nauwelaertz de Agé wrote: > I have a y-cable to my two monitors, never tried with keyboard. > Hmm, was this home made or store bought?? Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 16:52:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:52:03 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors References: <006101c29568$9bbbf8c0$3b83adcb@window2000> Message-ID: <013c01c2956c$25900fc0$8430cb18@Kelly> Great, I was looking for that also. Thanks Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Yung" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > I have seen a Y cable for "something" wasnt sure what it was for. > > It was from the guys who made Xkeys, www.piengineering.com > > Cheers, > > Albert > Sydney, Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Coates" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:09 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] Johan Nauwelaertz de Agé wrote: > > > I have a y-cable to my two monitors, never tried with keyboard. > > > > > Hmm, was this home made or store bought?? > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 17:05:50 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:05:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: <013c01c2956c$25900fc0$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: For UK folks wanting more than one monitor, look what I found for only 7.22 + VAT. http://custom1.farnell.com/cpc/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CPC+Catalogue&category%5Fname=Cables%2DConnectors+Cable+assemblies+Computer+cables+Monitor&product%5Fid=CS0675666 Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 17:22:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:22:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] T-38 info Message-ID: <20021126172214.48300.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.geocities.com/t38poop/ Justin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 17:42:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:42:00 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <006201c29531$eec7e8d0$bfde08d0@betty> References: <001901c294d4$4c9e3710$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021127064038.02c63d50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other >gauge, would that be too tacky? I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway down the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? Sean. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 17:53:35 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:53:35 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021127065050.039aaec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 03:30 PM 11/26/02 +0000, you wrote: >Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use >two keyboards and two monitors? Two keyboards is *easy*, one PS2, one USB... or two USB, or three USB..... You can do the same with mouses..meeses? But in a "race" between PS2 and USB mouse, the USB always wins... A VGA splitter cable is ok, but you loose quite a bit of brightness and sharpness from the displays. I would go for a powered splitter (which I'm trying to find as well). Sean From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 18:06:01 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021127065050.039aaec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Sean Galbraith wrote: > A VGA splitter cable is ok, but you loose quite a bit of brightness and > sharpness from the displays. I would go for a powered splitter (which I'm > trying to find as well). I can get a powered vga splitter for about 40UKP - I have one already and it works perfectly. I've also found an unpowered 8-way splitter for 8UKP no y-cables though. Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 18:14:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:14:37 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021127065050.039aaec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <018801c29577$ae7141a0$8430cb18@Kelly> But can you use the two keyboards simultaneously, One ps2 and one usb Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Galbraith" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > At 03:30 PM 11/26/02 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use > >two keyboards and two monitors? > > Two keyboards is *easy*, one PS2, one USB... or two USB, or three > USB..... You can do the same with mouses..meeses? But in a "race" between > PS2 and USB mouse, the USB always wins... > > A VGA splitter cable is ok, but you loose quite a bit of brightness and > sharpness from the displays. I would go for a powered splitter (which I'm > trying to find as well). > > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 18:22:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:22:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: <018801c29577$ae7141a0$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, kelly Mclaren wrote: > But can you use the two keyboards simultaneously, One ps2 and one usb > Yup :) Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 18:27:19 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:27:19 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors References: Message-ID: <019001c29579$74c145c0$8430cb18@Kelly> Cool, thanks Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, kelly Mclaren wrote: > > > But can you use the two keyboards simultaneously, One ps2 and one usb > > > > Yup :) > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 19:34:16 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:34:16 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c Message-ID: Since I'm working on my flying licenses, I do alot of my work in Cessna 172s. The venting is just a metal tube from the leading edge of the wing. THe air is rammed through this tube. If you want a/c just pull the tube out. Jonas >From: Matt Bailey >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] A/c >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:29:42 -0500 > >I've never seen a single engined Cessna with A/C either, but I remember >seeing information in a 172 flight manual once regarding the optional A/C. >I >was thinking this type of system would probably be more compact and >simpler. >I'm sure it would still require some sort of ram air though. > >A typical single-engine aircraft heater consists of a shroud mounted around >one of the exhaust manifolds, vented to the cockpit! :O > > -Matt Bailey > >On Monday 25 November 2002 13:43 pm, you wrote: > > I hear that. It reminds me of many CAP SAREX flights > > at minimum altitude and flying slow in the middle of > > the summer. After we leave the grid we climb rapidly > > to reach cooler air. > > Justin > > ------------------------------ > > > > All the Cessnas (and all other GA planes) I've ever > > flown have only had > > vents. No AC. Barely even a heater. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 19:47:13 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:47:13 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi: I had to ask a question. I'm in the planning stages for the motion platform. I was wondering if any body has any suggestions for what size and type of meterial should be used. Example: 1 inch piping. I need all the suggestions. Also, could the A/C panel for an airliner sim be connected to small space heaters, and an airconditioner (the ones with the fan) both have variable heat, and cold tempratures. Thanks SEB PLease check my web site for my blue prints with dimentions for the bulkheads on the 747-400 so far. Thanks www.geocities.com/dc10747/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 19:51:17 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (F16) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:51:17 +0100 Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 Message-ID: <01C29593.BC1F6360.f16@xflight.de> Hi Steve, > thinking about putting a light in the footwells of your pit so you can show these beauties off???!! My girlfriend hat me also ;-) And yes, my new project is a 1000 W flootlight for the pedals. I then will be able to fly only with my dark helmet visor. And for this solution I can use the air-conditioning system very well ;-))) Martin "Pegasus" From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 21:31:53 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:31:53 -0700 Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 Message-ID: Very impressive. I hope that they would work for a 747 pit. Jonas >From: F16 >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: "'simpits-tech@simpits.org'" >Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Rudder pedals for the F-16 >Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:51:17 +0100 > >Hi Steve, > > > thinking about putting a light in the footwells of your pit so you can >show these beauties off???!! > >My girlfriend hat me also ;-) And yes, my new project is a 1000 W >flootlight for the pedals. I then will be able to fly only with my dark >helmet visor. And for this solution I can use the air-conditioning system >very well ;-))) > >Martin "Pegasus" _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 22:00:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:00:00 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] A/c In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211262153.QAA16614@rtccom.net> Yep...my Dad said he took off once without knowing there was a wasp nest in that vent. :O -Matt Bailey On Tuesday 26 November 2002 14:34 pm, you wrote: > Since I'm working on my flying licenses, I do alot of my work in Cessna > 172s. The venting is just a metal tube from the leading edge of the wing. > THe air is rammed through this tube. If you want a/c just pull the tube > out. Jonas > > > From: Matt Bailey > > >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] A/c > >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:29:42 -0500 > > > >I've never seen a single engined Cessna with A/C either, but I remember > >seeing information in a 172 flight manual once regarding the optional A/C. > >I > >was thinking this type of system would probably be more compact and > >simpler. > >I'm sure it would still require some sort of ram air though. > > > >A typical single-engine aircraft heater consists of a shroud mounted > > around one of the exhaust manifolds, vented to the cockpit! :O > > > > -Matt Bailey From simpits-tech@simpits.org Tue Nov 26 22:17:35 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Bob Phillips) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:17:35 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? References: <7798F8AC473C6E498F8041A2F8409C93E65E0D@biopuremail.corp.biopure.com> Message-ID: <002801c29599$9f3ac900$0200a8c0@BOBS> Guys, You are missing the point about a/c in an aircraft. In a sim you are worried about cooling down the systems and the human. In an aircraft that flies, you are worried more about heating up the systems and making the human comfortable. Here in Texas when the ground temp is in the high one hundred plus, then you worry about cooling on startup, taxi, landing. Once in the air, if you want cooler you climb, especially in a jet. The freeze level is about 10 or 11 thousand feet. And like that clean room you are interested in recycling the air in the enviroment. Most jet aircraft use a bleed from one of the engines to increase the heat in the cockpit to be comfortable. Large commerical aircraft (like a 747) have an internal a/c for operating on the ground, as the outside temp might be high, and 300+ people give off a group of heat. The window unit would be a great idea for sim cooling. If you wanted to be real inventive, you could create an internal ac from an automotive a/c, this would give you a small compressor, evaporater, hoses inside and an external condensor and fan outside a window/wall. Just remember that if you build your own that the epa will replace the batf as your best friend. Oh, and it would help if you have a buddy with a license for freon. Damm, I knew that those 9 years rebuilding auto a/c units would come in handy somehow... Bob "Lumper" Phillips From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 17:17:24 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rod Dale) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:17:24 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? References: <001901c294d4$4c9e3710$0100a8c0@main> <5.1.0.14.0.20021127064038.02c63d50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <012e01c29638$dd263980$32cdfea9@instructor> The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in the cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead behind the seat somewhere. I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's diagram. The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy and one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power supply type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix with the ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. The servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that will draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents low down on either side for the incoming room air. I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, with sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. When I draw this up I will upload it. Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Galbraith To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway down > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > Sean. > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Mon Nov 25 22:43:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:43:02 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <012e01c29638$dd263980$32cdfea9@instructor> References: <001901c294d4$4c9e3710$0100a8c0@main> <5.1.0.14.0.20021127064038.02c63d50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <012e01c29638$dd263980$32cdfea9@instructor> Message-ID: <200211262236.RAA22203@rtccom.net> On Wednesday 27 November 2002 12:17 pm, you wrote: > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, > with sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > When I draw this up I will upload it. > Rod Why not just use a cheapy digital thermometer from Wal-Mart? Then you can still use your cabin pressure gauge, perhaps have MSFS control it. (MSFS does have a pressurization system, right?) -Matt Bailey From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 17:34:18 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rod Dale) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <014601c2963b$3911cd20$32cdfea9@instructor> Jonas, Don't even think of using anything ROUND as in piping - it bends far too easy. Forget timber too. For a motion platform I'd use nothing less than heavy square steel tubing or similar welded together - with crossbracing. The motion platform will have to move in at least two or three planes so it HAS to be extremely strong and rigid. Also your simulator is going to end up being very heavy esp. when you have two or three people sitting in it. My F-111 sim is very heavy by itself - I need a hydraulic car jack and stands to raise it enough to work underneath. If you intend to use motion, you must also ensure that your simulator frame\structure is sound. Again I wouldn't use timber. My F-111 has timber framing\ribs etc that are glued, bolted and screwed together firmly but it can still go out of shape even when I just wheel it around to reposition it ! I found this out when I went to refit my canopies. The alignment was out on each by a good inch !!! Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Frazier To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) > > Hi: > I had to ask a question. I'm in the planning stages for the motion platform. > I was wondering if any body has any suggestions for what size and type of > meterial should be used. Example: 1 inch piping. I need all the suggestions. > Also, could the A/C panel for an airliner sim be connected to small space > heaters, and an airconditioner (the ones with the fan) both have variable > heat, and cold tempratures. Thanks > SEB > PLease check my web site for my blue prints with dimentions for the > bulkheads on the 747-400 so far. Thanks > www.geocities.com/dc10747/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 00:12:01 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Suwanrit In-on) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:12:01 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00012C4647256C7E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I used to connect 2 keyboards together it very easy , just connect every pin of 2 keyboards directly pin1 to 1,2 to 2,......5 to 5. Important pin are CLOCK and DATA that have pull up resister to high state our computer just pull them to down state to generate data for communication.Current is limit number of keyboards that can connected.But I don'know. Please respond to simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent by: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org To: simpits-tech@simpits.org cc: (bcc: Suwanrit In-on/TH/Asia/Celestica) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use two keyboards and two monitors? If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans. Danke, Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --=_alternative 00012C4647256C7E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I used to connect 2 keyboards together it very easy , just connect every pin of 2 keyboards directly
pin1 to 1,2 to 2,......5 to 5. Important pin are CLOCK and DATA  that have pull up resister to high state
our computer just pull them to down state to generate data for communication.Current is limit number
of keyboards that can connected.But I don'know.



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Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use
two keyboards and two monitors?

If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans.

Danke,

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--=_alternative 00012C4647256C7E_=-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 02:56:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:56:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <012e01c29638$dd263980$32cdfea9@instructor> Message-ID: <000401c295c0$8bc3f550$0100a8c0@main> Hi Rod, Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to cool the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the interior separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is perfect. You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off with a thermostat type control. I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this link for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct in assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? Anyone know where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rod Dale Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in the cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead behind the seat somewhere. I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's diagram. The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy and one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power supply type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix with the ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. The servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that will draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents low down on either side for the incoming room air. I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, with sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. When I draw this up I will upload it. Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Galbraith To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway down > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > Sean. > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 04:07:40 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Ian Grant) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:07:40 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c295ca$8b7db900$fe31f7a5@xena> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C295A0.A2A7B100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2 USB keyboards does work, as does 1 USB and 1 =93standard=94 (PS2). I = know =96 it=92s how I managed to get Windows ME working, and later XP after = some kind soul screwed it up (a hacker).=20 =20 I once used a =93Black Box=94 component to do remote keyboard, mouse and video. I can=92t find it on their web site just yet, but then again, I don=92t have the time to seriously look. Maybe over Thanksgiving. It is = a splitter, with an RJ45 for standard Cat5 cable. At one point I had about 3 monitors, keyboards and the like connected for a Conference Room application. I was laid off from that job, and didn=92t keep any records of what I purchased for the job. Here was the arrangement: =20 PC (in server room) ----> Splitter/Remote unit ---> Shared keyboard, mouse and video with 7 or 8 other PC=92s =20 Remote end: RJ45 Receiver ---> Splitter ---> Desktop monitor; included Logitech Remote keyboard and mouse (not USB) =20 Ceiling mounted projector =20 I connected a PS2 mouse and keyboard to the remote splitter for =93just in case=94 applications. The =93just in case=94 stuff got = used most often, mainly due to problems with the Logitech stuff that we (read = =93I=94) never got around to fixing before I was canned.=20 =20 Hope this helps and wasn=92t too confusing! If you need any = clarification, let me know and I=92ll do some more research and a drawing. (Just give = me a couple of days to reply =96 I=92m busy getting ready for a Crafts Show = and am way behind on production!) =20 /Ian =20 -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ido Dekkers Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:16 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors =20 I guess that if you use 2 USB keyboards it would work but i never tried it=20 Ido=20 Johan Nauwelaertz de Ag=E9 =20 Sent by: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20 11/26/2002 05:51 PM=20 Please respond to simpits-tech@simpits.org To =20 cc =20 Subject Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors =20 =20 =20 I have a y-cable to my two monitors, never tried with keyboard. Johan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > > > Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use > two keyboards and two monitors? > > If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans. > > Danke, > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C295A0.A2A7B100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2 USB keyboards does work, as does = 1 USB and 1 “standard” (PS2). I know – it’s how I = managed to get Windows ME working, and later XP after some kind soul screwed it up = (a hacker).

 

I once used a “Black = Box” component to do remote keyboard, mouse and video. I can’t find it on their = web site just yet, but then again, I don’t have the time to seriously look. = Maybe over Thanksgiving. It is a splitter, with an RJ45 for standard Cat5 = cable. At one point I had about 3 monitors, keyboards and the like connected for a Conference Room application. I was laid off from that job, and = didn’t keep any records of what I purchased for the job. Here was the = arrangement:

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = PC (in server room) --=E0 Splitter/Remote = unit -=E0 Shared = keyboard, mouse and video with 7 or 8 other PC’s

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = Remote end: RJ45 Receiver -=E0 Splitter=A0 = -=E0 Desktop = monitor; included Logitech Remote keyboard and mouse (not USB)

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ceiling mounted projector

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I = connected a PS2 mouse and keyboard to the remote splitter for “just in case” = applications. The “just in case” stuff got used most often, mainly due to = problems with the Logitech stuff that we (read “I”) never got around = to fixing before I was canned.

 

Hope this helps and wasn’t = too confusing! If you need any clarification, let me know and I’ll do = some more research and a drawing. (Just give me a couple of days to reply = – I’m busy getting ready for a Crafts Show and am way behind on = production!)

 

/Ian

 

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I guess that if you use 2 USB keyboards it would = work but i never tried it

Ido

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I have a y-cable to my two monitors, never tried with = keyboard.

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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C295A0.A2A7B100-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 04:19:27 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Ian Grant) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:19:27 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <014601c2963b$3911cd20$32cdfea9@instructor> Message-ID: <002301c295cc$306779f0$fe31f7a5@xena> The basic problem in stopping racking (as it's called in table construction) is in the bracing. I can recommend a couple of books on car chassis design. Unfortunately only one comes to hand; I'll keep looking for the other one (I'm building some bookcases and storage cabinets for the Missus, and my books and magazines, which have got somewhat out of hand... :-? ) Racecar Chassis Design and Engineering, written by Forbes Aird. Published by MBI in 1997. ISBN is 0-7603-0283-9. http://www.motorbooks.com The other book is something "Chassis Engineering"; it's a similar format (8.5" x 11"). I heard good things about both books and got them some time ago, mainly because I was thinking of a motion platform. I also an interesting site sometime ago for a motion platform based on air-pressure. I believe it was supplied from a vacuum cleaner. I think the person was selling the plans for about $40 (US, if memory serves). Hope this helps and I'll try and find that other book! /Ian -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rod Dale Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:34 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] (no subject) Jonas, Don't even think of using anything ROUND as in piping - it bends far too easy. Forget timber too. For a motion platform I'd use nothing less than heavy square steel tubing or similar welded together - with crossbracing. The motion platform will have to move in at least two or three planes so it HAS to be extremely strong and rigid. Also your simulator is going to end up being very heavy esp. when you have two or three people sitting in it. My F-111 sim is very heavy by itself - I need a hydraulic car jack and stands to raise it enough to work underneath. If you intend to use motion, you must also ensure that your simulator frame\structure is sound. Again I wouldn't use timber. My F-111 has timber framing\ribs etc that are glued, bolted and screwed together firmly but it can still go out of shape even when I just wheel it around to reposition it ! I found this out when I went to refit my canopies. The alignment was out on each by a good inch !!! Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Frazier To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) > > Hi: > I had to ask a question. I'm in the planning stages for the motion platform. > I was wondering if any body has any suggestions for what size and type of > meterial should be used. Example: 1 inch piping. I need all the suggestions. > Also, could the A/C panel for an airliner sim be connected to small space > heaters, and an airconditioner (the ones with the fan) both have variable > heat, and cold tempratures. Thanks > SEB > PLease check my web site for my blue prints with dimentions for the > bulkheads on the 747-400 so far. Thanks > www.geocities.com/dc10747/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 04:53:23 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:53:23 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: <018801c29577$ae7141a0$8430cb18@Kelly> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021127065050.039aaec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021127175239.02dd0b10@pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 01:14 PM 11/26/02 -0500, you wrote: >But can you use the two keyboards simultaneously, One ps2 and one usb > >Marc.. Yup, and if you press CTRL on one and any key on the other you get CTRL+whatever key...it's damn cool ;-) Sean. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sean Galbraith" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:53 PM >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > > > > At 03:30 PM 11/26/02 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use > > >two keyboards and two monitors? > > > > Two keyboards is *easy*, one PS2, one USB... or two USB, or three > > USB..... You can do the same with mouses..meeses? But in a "race" >between > > PS2 and USB mouse, the USB always wins... > > > > A VGA splitter cable is ok, but you loose quite a bit of brightness and > > sharpness from the displays. I would go for a powered splitter (which I'm > > trying to find as well). > > > > Sean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 06:13:22 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Albert Yung) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:13:22 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? References: <000401c295c0$8bc3f550$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <00c301c295dc$29b69310$3b83adcb@window2000> Craig, I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are. I have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my VFW. Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few hour's time. I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls the air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought of that before?? Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these portable I have found. http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell of a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not have to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost of them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window mount system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now that I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are just old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I thought I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very hot night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same like you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool air into the cockpit. Cheers, Albert Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- e From: "Craig Rochester" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Hi Rod, > > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to cool > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the interior > separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is perfect. > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off with a > thermostat type control. > > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this link > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm > > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct in > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? Anyone know > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? > > Craig R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Rod Dale > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in the > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead behind > the seat somewhere. > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's diagram. > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy and > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power supply > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix with the > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. The > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that will > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents low down > on either side for the incoming room air. > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, with > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > When I draw this up I will upload it. > Rod > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sean Galbraith > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > > > > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other > > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, > > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway down > > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > > > Sean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 07:02:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (F16) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:02:10 +0100 Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Message-ID: <01C295EB.52D773E0.f16@xflight.de> Hi Craig, in the F-16 flight manual I found the following description: OFF = Engine bleed air valves close. All air-conditioning, cooling and pressurizing functions shut off, including anti-g suit, canopy seal and fuel tank pressurization. NORM = Air-conditioning system set for automatic temperature and pressure regulation. DUMP = Cockpit pressure dump valve opens to atmospheric pressure. Conditioned air ventilates cockpit and performs all other system functions. RAM = Engine bleed air valves close. All air-conditioning, cooling and pressurizing functions shut off, including anti-g suit, canopy seal and fuel tank pressurization. The ram air valve opens to admit ram air to ventilate the cockpit and avionic equipment. Martin "Pegasus" From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 07:15:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:15:10 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <00c301c295dc$29b69310$3b83adcb@window2000> Message-ID: <000001c295e4$b907e660$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Only problem with those is that they are 240 v. Is that standard voltage down under? I would need an electrician to run an outlet for that. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:13 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Craig, I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are. I have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my VFW. Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few hour's time. I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls the air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought of that before?? Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these portable I have found. http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell of a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not have to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost of them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window mount system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now that I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are just old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I thought I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very hot night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same like you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool air into the cockpit. Cheers, Albert Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- e From: "Craig Rochester" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Hi Rod, > > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to cool > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the interior > separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is perfect. > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off with a > thermostat type control. > > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this link > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm > > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct in > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? Anyone know > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? > > Craig R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Rod Dale > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in the > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead behind > the seat somewhere. > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's diagram. > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy and > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power supply > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix with the > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. The > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that will > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents low down > on either side for the incoming room air. > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, with > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > When I draw this up I will upload it. > Rod > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sean Galbraith > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > > > > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other > > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, > > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway down > > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > > > Sean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 07:20:57 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Albert Yung) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:20:57 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? References: <000001c295e4$b907e660$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <00d401c295e6$51e87240$3b83adcb@window2000> Yep, 240 v is the standard for us. Which is a + factor, for an electricial dumb nut like me... :) Al Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Only problem with those is that they are 240 v. Is that standard > voltage down under? I would need an electrician to run an outlet for > that. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Albert Yung > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:13 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the > pit? > > Craig, > > I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the > ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are. > I > have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my > VFW. > Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few > hour's > time. > > I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls > the > air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought > of > that before?? > > Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these > portable > I have found. > > http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html > > Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell > of > a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not > have > to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost > of > them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window > mount > system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with > electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now > that > I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are > just > old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I > thought > I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air > conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very > hot > night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same > like > you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool > air > into the cockpit. > > Cheers, > > Albert > Sydney, Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- e > From: "Craig Rochester" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the > pit? > > > > Hi Rod, > > > > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to > cool > > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the > interior > > separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is > perfect. > > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off > with > a > > thermostat type control. > > > > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this > link > > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": > > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm > > > > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct > in > > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? > Anyone > know > > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? > > > > Craig R. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > > On Behalf Of Rod Dale > > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside > the > pit? > > > > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in > the > > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead > behind > > the seat somewhere. > > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's > diagram. > > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy > and > > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power > supply > > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo > > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix > with > the > > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. > The > > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. > > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that > will > > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents > low > down > > on either side for the incoming room air. > > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature > indicator, > with > > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > > When I draw this up I will upload it. > > Rod > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sean Galbraith > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside > the > pit? > > > > > > > > > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows > the > > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or > other > > > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > > > > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel > anyway, > > > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, > midway > down > > > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > > > > > Sean. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > > Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 08:14:50 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:14:50 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] T-38 info In-Reply-To: <20021126172214.48300.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021127211424.02a29ec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 09:22 AM 11/26/02 -0800, you wrote: >http://www.geocities.com/t38poop/ >Justin WOW! What a great site... now *I* want a T-38 too! Sean. >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 04:36:10 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rod Dale) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:36:10 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Aircon possibilities References: <000001c295e4$b907e660$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <00a501c29697$afb1fa20$32cdfea9@instructor> You can buy 12v and 24v equivalents. Yes 240 volts is standard down under :-) Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Fagner To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:15 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Only problem with those is that they are 240 v. Is that standard > voltage down under? I would need an electrician to run an outlet for > that. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Albert Yung > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:13 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the > pit? > > Craig, > > I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the > ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are. > I > have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my > VFW. > Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few > hour's > time. > > I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls > the > air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought > of > that before?? > > Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these > portable > I have found. > > http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html > > Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell > of > a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not > have > to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost > of > them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window > mount > system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with > electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now > that > I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are > just > old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I > thought > I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air > conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very > hot > night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same > like > you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool > air > into the cockpit. > > Cheers, > > Albert > Sydney, Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- e > From: "Craig Rochester" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the > pit? > > > > Hi Rod, > > > > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to > cool > > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the > interior > > separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is > perfect. > > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off > with > a > > thermostat type control. > > > > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this > link > > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": > > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm > > > > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct > in > > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? > Anyone > know > > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? > > > > Craig R. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > > On Behalf Of Rod Dale > > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside > the > pit? > > > > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in > the > > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead > behind > > the seat somewhere. > > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's > diagram. > > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy > and > > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power > supply > > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo > > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix > with > the > > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. > The > > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. > > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that > will > > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents > low > down > > on either side for the incoming room air. > > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature > indicator, > with > > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > > When I draw this up I will upload it. > > Rod > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sean Galbraith > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside > the > pit? > > > > > > > > > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows > the > > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or > other > > > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > > > > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel > anyway, > > > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, > midway > down > > > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > > > > > Sean. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > > Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 13:13:16 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:13:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Suwanrit In-on wrote: > I used to connect 2 keyboards together it very easy , just connect every > pin of 2 keyboards directly > pin1 to 1,2 to 2,......5 to 5. Important pin are CLOCK and DATA that have > pull up resister to high state > our computer just pull them to down state to generate data for > communication.Current is limit number > of keyboards that can connected.But I don'know. Interesting. did YOU introduce the pull-up resistors to this circuit? Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 13:35:09 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:35:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Embraer Message-ID: Is it Darren with the Embraer? Control column on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1791475230 Quite a few panels on the UK ebay atm.. worth a look. Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 15:11:28 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Albert Yung) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:11:28 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] air cond modes. Message-ID: <001c01c29627$d8bf1e90$938cadcb@window2000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C29683.760ED180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Took time out from flying tonight f4 tonight. after talking to the first = crew chief I know. Found out there's more than one ac duct in the 16. there is one behind = the seat like a defogger in a car. AC controls not only cockpit enviorment but also cooling for all = avionics, include the radar computers, INS GPS computers and every other = box in the jet. In RAM mode, it uses external air source for cooling like martin said. = The air intake is just above the big air intake underneath the cockpit = the crew chief said. Albert Sydney, Australia ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C29683.760ED180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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AC controls not only cockpit = enviorment but=20 also cooling for all avionics, include the radar computers, INS GPS = computers=20 and every other box in the jet.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C29683.760ED180-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 15:28:18 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:28:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Embraer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Unfortunately, Darren unsubscribed from the list recently. g. On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Roy Coates wrote: > > Is it Darren with the Embraer? > > Control column on Ebay. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1791475230 > > > Quite a few panels on the UK ebay atm.. worth a look. > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 16:01:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:01:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Embraer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Gene Buckle wrote: > Unfortunately, Darren unsubscribed from the list recently. > Ah... ook. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 18:07:19 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:07:19 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) Message-ID: Thanks all for the suggestion. What's a good height for the platform? I was thinking 18". Jonas >From: "Ian Grant" >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: >Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] (no subject) >Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:19:27 -0500 > >The basic problem in stopping racking (as it's called in table >construction) is in the bracing. I can recommend a couple of books on >car chassis design. Unfortunately only one comes to hand; I'll keep >looking for the other one (I'm building some bookcases and storage >cabinets for the Missus, and my books and magazines, which have got >somewhat out of hand... :-? ) > >Racecar Chassis Design and Engineering, written by Forbes Aird. >Published by MBI in 1997. ISBN is 0-7603-0283-9. >http://www.motorbooks.com > >The other book is something "Chassis Engineering"; it's a similar format >(8.5" x 11"). > >I heard good things about both books and got them some time ago, mainly >because I was thinking of a motion platform. > >I also an interesting site sometime ago for a motion platform based on >air-pressure. I believe it was supplied from a vacuum cleaner. I think >the person was selling the plans for about $40 (US, if memory serves). > >Hope this helps and I'll try and find that other book! > >/Ian > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rod Dale >Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:34 PM >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] (no subject) > >Jonas, >Don't even think of using anything ROUND as in piping - it bends far too >easy. Forget timber too. For a motion platform I'd use nothing less than >heavy square steel tubing or similar welded together - with >crossbracing. >The motion platform will have to move in at least two or three planes so >it >HAS to be extremely strong and rigid. Also your simulator is going to >end up >being very heavy esp. when you have two or three people sitting in it. >My >F-111 sim is very heavy by itself - I need a hydraulic car jack and >stands >to raise it enough to work underneath. >If you intend to use motion, you must also ensure that your simulator >frame\structure is sound. Again I wouldn't use timber. My F-111 has >timber >framing\ribs etc that are glued, bolted and screwed together firmly but >it >can still go out of shape even when I just wheel it around to reposition >it >! I found this out when I went to refit my canopies. The alignment was >out >on each by a good inch !!! >Rod > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jonas Frazier >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:47 AM >Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) > > > > > > Hi: > > I had to ask a question. I'm in the planning stages for the motion >platform. > > I was wondering if any body has any suggestions for what size and type >of > > meterial should be used. Example: 1 inch piping. I need all the >suggestions. > > Also, could the A/C panel for an airliner sim be connected to small >space > > heaters, and an airconditioner (the ones with the fan) both have >variable > > heat, and cold tempratures. Thanks > > SEB > > PLease check my web site for my blue prints with dimentions for the > > bulkheads on the 747-400 so far. Thanks > > www.geocities.com/dc10747/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! > > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 20:09:27 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:09:27 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Re: motion platform, and outside view. Message-ID: HI all: What size of square steel tubing, some 1"x1". I know that in bridge building they build the sections in triangles. Should I put a triangle in the corners? Also, what's a good way to rig 6 moniters for the out side views? Thanks. Jonas >From: "Rod Dale" >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] (no subject) >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0800 > >Jonas, >Don't even think of using anything ROUND as in piping - it bends far too >easy. Forget timber too. For a motion platform I'd use nothing less than >heavy square steel tubing or similar welded together - with crossbracing. >The motion platform will have to move in at least two or three planes so it >HAS to be extremely strong and rigid. Also your simulator is going to end >up >being very heavy esp. when you have two or three people sitting in it. My >F-111 sim is very heavy by itself - I need a hydraulic car jack and stands >to raise it enough to work underneath. >If you intend to use motion, you must also ensure that your simulator >frame\structure is sound. Again I wouldn't use timber. My F-111 has timber >framing\ribs etc that are glued, bolted and screwed together firmly but it >can still go out of shape even when I just wheel it around to reposition it >! I found this out when I went to refit my canopies. The alignment was out >on each by a good inch !!! >Rod > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jonas Frazier >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:47 AM >Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) > > > > > > Hi: > > I had to ask a question. I'm in the planning stages for the motion >platform. > > I was wondering if any body has any suggestions for what size and type >of > > meterial should be used. Example: 1 inch piping. I need all the >suggestions. > > Also, could the A/C panel for an airliner sim be connected to small >space > > heaters, and an airconditioner (the ones with the fan) both have >variable > > heat, and cold tempratures. Thanks > > SEB > > PLease check my web site for my blue prints with dimentions for the > > bulkheads on the 747-400 so far. Thanks > > www.geocities.com/dc10747/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 20:24:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:24:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Re: motion platform, and outside view. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Jonas Frazier wrote: > HI all: > What size of square steel tubing, some 1"x1". I know that in bridge > building they build the sections in triangles. Should I put a triangle in > the corners? Also, what's a good way to rig 6 moniters for the out side > views? Thanks. If you add your weight, plus the 6 monitors and whatever else you intend putting in that motion sim - it adds up to (counts fingers) a lot! 1" square tubing would be ok but you really do want to triangulate the design of the 'chassis' at more than just the corners! 1" tubing well triangulated should be lighter and stiffer than jumping to 2" tube. Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 20:49:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:49:02 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Re: motion platform, and outside view. Message-ID: So I should do this at all the joints? Will you see my blue print when I get it loaded onto my site? To see if it is ok? I'm not done with it yet, I still have to figure some dimentions, and stands. Thanks. Jonas the site is: http://www.geocities.com/dc10747/ thanks. >From: Roy Coates >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Re: motion platform, and outside view. >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:24:00 +0000 (GMT) > >On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Jonas Frazier wrote: > > > HI all: > > What size of square steel tubing, some 1"x1". I know that in bridge > > building they build the sections in triangles. Should I put a triangle >in > > the corners? Also, what's a good way to rig 6 moniters for the out side > > views? Thanks. > >If you add your weight, plus the 6 monitors and whatever else you intend >putting in that motion sim - it adds up to (counts fingers) a lot! > >1" square tubing would be ok but you really do want to triangulate the >design of the 'chassis' at more than just the corners! > >1" tubing well triangulated should be lighter and stiffer than jumping to >2" tube. > >Roy. > > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 21:16:50 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:16:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Re: motion platform, and outside view. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Jonas Frazier wrote: > So I should do this at all the joints? Will you see my blue print when I get > it loaded onto my site? To see if it is ok? I'm not done with it yet, I > still have to figure some dimentions, and stands. Thanks. I would work in as much triangulation as you can... for example, the side rails would look something like this:- =============================== \ /\ /\ /\ /\ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ =============================== > the site is: http://www.geocities.com/dc10747/ thanks. We ALL want to see what you're up to! Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 17:16:01 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Rod Dale) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:16:01 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Re: motion platform, and outside view. References: Message-ID: <007b01c29701$d6311ea0$32cdfea9@instructor> I'd use 50mm (2 inch) myself but depends on the overall dimensions and estimated weight of the simulator. Yes the triangular sections in each corner would help greatly with strengthening. Use Wideview - it's made for many monitor outside views - found at http://www.wideview.it/ Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Frazier To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Re: motion platform, and outside view. > HI all: > What size of square steel tubing, some 1"x1". I know that in bridge > building they build the sections in triangles. Should I put a triangle in > the corners? Also, what's a good way to rig 6 moniters for the out side > views? Thanks. > > Jonas > > > > > > > >From: "Rod Dale" > >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > >To: > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] (no subject) > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0800 > > > >Jonas, > >Don't even think of using anything ROUND as in piping - it bends far too > >easy. Forget timber too. For a motion platform I'd use nothing less than > >heavy square steel tubing or similar welded together - with crossbracing. > >The motion platform will have to move in at least two or three planes so it > >HAS to be extremely strong and rigid. Also your simulator is going to end > >up > >being very heavy esp. when you have two or three people sitting in it. My > >F-111 sim is very heavy by itself - I need a hydraulic car jack and stands > >to raise it enough to work underneath. > >If you intend to use motion, you must also ensure that your simulator > >frame\structure is sound. Again I wouldn't use timber. My F-111 has timber > >framing\ribs etc that are glued, bolted and screwed together firmly but it > >can still go out of shape even when I just wheel it around to reposition it > >! I found this out when I went to refit my canopies. The alignment was out > >on each by a good inch !!! > >Rod > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jonas Frazier > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:47 AM > >Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > I had to ask a question. I'm in the planning stages for the motion > >platform. > > > I was wondering if any body has any suggestions for what size and type > >of > > > meterial should be used. Example: 1 inch piping. I need all the > >suggestions. > > > Also, could the A/C panel for an airliner sim be connected to small > >space > > > heaters, and an airconditioner (the ones with the fan) both have > >variable > > > heat, and cold tempratures. Thanks > > > SEB > > > PLease check my web site for my blue prints with dimentions for the > > > bulkheads on the 747-400 so far. Thanks > > > www.geocities.com/dc10747/ > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > >page. Thanks! > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech@simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > >page. Thanks! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 22:35:40 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:35:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Fabulous! In-Reply-To: <007b01c29701$d6311ea0$32cdfea9@instructor> Message-ID: Things are looking up. We all dread getting a new boss, better the devil you know and all that - but this one is very techno minded and is looking to spend 250k expanding and refitting my computer lab, god bless him. He also got wind of my desire to have a 'plane on a stick' outside smack in the middle of our pretty grass quadrangle. It made sense to me, we've spent a LOT of money beefing up our aerospace facilities, lets look like we do aerospace! I was summoned and ordered "find me a plane!" I now have a 50/50 chance of getting a Harrier. A Hawker Hunter for sure, and a second Hawker Hunter 'just in case'. Although I won't believe it until it actually happens - Sometimes.. life rocks! Roy. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 23:16:15 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Peter Holt) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:16:15 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: References: <00ea01c29563$5f0577d0$1461e2d5@johancomp> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> It seems to me that Phidgets could become as expensive as an Epic if you use a lot of them. I looked at Chris Brace's Cessna radio and he's using 19 Phidgets. If I've got something wrong, I'd be glad to be corrected. I been working on building the FSBUS system. I've still got a way to go but the new English site will make it easier. I've been translating the documentation using Babelfish. If you can make your own circuit boards, which isn't that hard, it's a much more economical solution. Peter At 08:08 26/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: >It's more of a "desperate man's EPIC". Go with Phidgets. They come >already assembled and they just *work*. > >g. > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 23:31:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:31:02 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... References: <00ea01c29563$5f0577d0$1461e2d5@johancomp> <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> Message-ID: <000d01c2966d$0cdd5a30$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> Hej Peter ! Is the FSBUS system equal to EPIC or ??? i have read about it (as god as me german is) it seem simple... Will it be able to lift a F16 pit ???? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holt" To: Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... > It seems to me that Phidgets could become as expensive as an Epic if you use a lot of them. I looked at Chris Brace's Cessna radio and he's using 19 Phidgets. If I've got something wrong, I'd be glad to be corrected. > > I been working on building the FSBUS system. I've still got a way to go but the new English site will make it easier. I've been translating the documentation using Babelfish. If you can make your own circuit boards, which isn't that hard, it's a much more economical solution. > > Peter > > > At 08:08 26/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >It's more of a "desperate man's EPIC". Go with Phidgets. They come > >already assembled and they just *work*. > > > >g. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 23:38:32 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Suwanrit In-on) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:38:32 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0081EF0647256C7E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pull-up resistor is internally connected in any keyboard. Please respond to simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent by: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org To: simpits-tech@simpits.org cc: (bcc: Suwanrit In-on/TH/Asia/Celestica) Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Suwanrit In-on wrote: > I used to connect 2 keyboards together it very easy , just connect every > pin of 2 keyboards directly > pin1 to 1,2 to 2,......5 to 5. Important pin are CLOCK and DATA that have > pull up resister to high state > our computer just pull them to down state to generate data for > communication.Current is limit number > of keyboards that can connected.But I don'know. Interesting. did YOU introduce the pull-up resistors to this circuit? Roy. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. 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> I used to connect 2 keyboards together it very easy , just connect every
> pin of 2 keyboards directly
> pin1 to 1,2 to 2,......5 to 5. Important pin are CLOCK and DATA  that have
> pull up resister to high state
> our computer just pull them to down state to generate data for
> communication.Current is limit number
> of keyboards that can connected.But I don'know.


Interesting. did YOU introduce the pull-up resistors to this circuit?


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--=_alternative 0081EF0647256C7E_=-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 23:39:04 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (fitchett) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:39:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> Message-ID: Yes, this gets to be a problem if I keep phidgets strictly modular. Many of the phidgets that Chris uses were built at his request. He is suffering a little from being on the 'front lines'. I still want to keep the software side very modular, but we are talking about building a Phidget which will support 4 encoders, 2 alphanumeric LED displays, 20 digital inputs, and 20 digital inputs. By only providing terminal blocks as an option, I think we can sell this for $75 US. Also, the LED displays are interfaced using ribbon cable, so they can be positioned anywhere. Chester > It seems to me that Phidgets could become as expensive as an Epic if you > use a lot of them. I looked at Chris Brace's Cessna radio and he's > using 19 Phidgets. If I've got something wrong, I'd be glad to be > corrected. > > I been working on building the FSBUS system. I've still got a way to go > but the new English site will make it easier. I've been translating the > documentation using Babelfish. If you can make your own circuit boards, > which isn't that hard, it's a much more economical solution. > > Peter > > > At 08:08 26/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >It's more of a "desperate man's EPIC". Go with Phidgets. They come > >already assembled and they just *work*. > > > >g. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 04:36:41 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Peter Holt) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:36:41 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: <000d01c2966d$0cdd5a30$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> References: <00ea01c29563$5f0577d0$1461e2d5@johancomp> <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128153253.02039328@pop.ihug.com.au> I think it will be. There are digitals inputs, digital outputs and 7 segment led readouts now and Dirk's working on boards for analog inputs, radio control type servo and stepping motor control. At 00:31 28/11/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hej Peter ! >Is the FSBUS system equal to EPIC or ??? >i have read about it (as god as me german is) it seem simple... >Will it be able to lift a F16 pit ???? > >Frank > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 04:38:53 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Peter Holt) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:38:53 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128153727.02aff2e8@pop.ihug.com.au> That sounds very promising, Chester. How many digits in the LED displays? Peter At 16:39 27/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Yes, this gets to be a problem if I keep phidgets strictly modular. Many >of the phidgets that Chris uses were built at his request. He is >suffering a little from being on the 'front lines'. I still want to keep >the software side very modular, but we are talking about building a >Phidget which will support 4 encoders, 2 alphanumeric LED displays, 20 >digital inputs, and 20 digital inputs. By only providing terminal blocks >as an option, I think we can sell this for $75 US. Also, the LED displays >are interfaced using ribbon cable, so they can be positioned anywhere. > > > >Chester > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 20:25:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chad C. DeMuth-Olsen) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:25:00 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Looking for B737 panel marking schematics Message-ID: <001401c29653$10830870$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C29610.015D9AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any schematics on the panel layouts of the Boeing 737, = specifically, for the placement of the markings and lettering? I prefer = B737-500 models or higher, but I won't be picky! :0) Thank you, Chad ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C29610.015D9AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does anyone have any schematics on the = panel=20 layouts of the Boeing 737, specifically, for the placement of the = markings and=20 lettering?  I prefer B737-500 models or higher, but I won't be = picky! =20 :0)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C29610.015D9AB0-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 05:33:51 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chris Brace) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:33:51 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> References: <00ea01c29563$5f0577d0$1461e2d5@johancomp> <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> Message-ID: <1038461631.3de5aabf4410c@www.paradise.net.nz> Peter, yes your right the radio does use a lot of phidget devices! As Chester has pointed out, I asked for these devices and along the way have been trying to keep in the design philosophy of the phidgets themselves, while giving feedback to Chester of ways of making them better and more useable. We are trying to work out how this could be done a little better, but there are trade- off's. An example being where a particular panel needs just a single encoder and 1 LED display (8x7seg) then phidgets are perfect for it. On the other hand if you have a device like the C172 radio stack where there are a cluster of devices then using a bunch of individual devices becomes a real hastle and not very cost effective either, so a mulitpurpose device would be much more practical. It is obvious in the radio example, but often the line is a little less easy to spot. I found this while working on the radio project and I guess this is the only way to really find this type of problem out. Im not too worried about the numbers at this point, since I have two pit projects on the go with both types of needs and I figure I'll use the devices anyway. As the phidget devices mature and the ideas fine tune them Im sure you will see that they become a very cost effective solution being simple to use and easy to install. Chris. > It seems to me that Phidgets could become as expensive as an Epic if you > use a lot of them. I looked at Chris Brace's Cessna radio and he's using > 19 Phidgets. If I've got something wrong, I'd be glad to be corrected. > > I been working on building the FSBUS system. I've still got a way to go > but the new English site will make it easier. I've been translating the > documentation using Babelfish. If you can make your own circuit boards, > which isn't that hard, it's a much more economical solution. > > Peter > > > At 08:08 26/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >It's more of a "desperate man's EPIC". Go with Phidgets. They come > >already assembled and they just *work*. > > > >g. > > > > _______________________________________________ > S impits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > Chris Brace V(H) +64 4 973-6378 V(W) +64 4 474-4222 M +64 21 223-5163 E chris.brace@paradise.net.nz From simpits-tech@simpits.org Wed Nov 27 20:56:08 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chad C. DeMuth-Olsen) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:56:08 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... References: <00ea01c29563$5f0577d0$1461e2d5@johancomp> <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> <1038461631.3de5aabf4410c@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <003301c29657$6a15f420$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> Is there a website for Phidgets? Chad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Brace" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... > Peter, > yes your right the radio does use a lot of phidget devices! As Chester has > pointed out, I asked for these devices and along the way have been trying to > keep in the design philosophy of the phidgets themselves, while giving > feedback to Chester of ways of making them better and more useable. We are > trying to work out how this could be done a little better, but there are trade- > off's. > An example being where a particular panel needs just a single encoder and 1 > LED display (8x7seg) then phidgets are perfect for it. On the other hand if > you have a device like the C172 radio stack where there are a cluster of > devices then using a bunch of individual devices becomes a real hastle and not > very cost effective either, so a mulitpurpose device would be much more > practical. It is obvious in the radio example, but often the line is a little > less easy to spot. I found this while working on the radio project and I guess > this is the only way to really find this type of problem out. > Im not too worried about the numbers at this point, since I have two pit > projects on the go with both types of needs and I figure I'll use the devices > anyway. As the phidget devices mature and the ideas fine tune them Im sure you > will see that they become a very cost effective solution being simple to use > and easy to install. > > Chris. > > > It seems to me that Phidgets could become as expensive as an Epic if you > > use a lot of them. I looked at Chris Brace's Cessna radio and he's using > > 19 Phidgets. If I've got something wrong, I'd be glad to be corrected. > > > > I been working on building the FSBUS system. I've still got a way to go > > but the new English site will make it easier. I've been translating the > > documentation using Babelfish. If you can make your own circuit boards, > > which isn't that hard, it's a much more economical solution. > > > > Peter > > > > > > At 08:08 26/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > >It's more of a "desperate man's EPIC". Go with Phidgets. They come > > >already assembled and they just *work*. > > > > > >g. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > S impits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > Chris Brace > V(H) +64 4 973-6378 > V(W) +64 4 474-4222 > M +64 21 223-5163 > E chris.brace@paradise.net.nz > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 05:57:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:57:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128100655.02534890@pop.ihug.com.au> Message-ID: Chris is building his radio gear from beta hardware. The new stuff Chester is working on combines functionality such that fewer individual phidgets are needed. g. On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Peter Holt wrote: > It seems to me that Phidgets could become as expensive as an Epic if you use a lot of them. I looked at Chris Brace's Cessna radio and he's using 19 Phidgets. If I've got something wrong, I'd be glad to be corrected. > > I been working on building the FSBUS system. I've still got a way to go but the new English site will make it easier. I've been translating the documentation using Babelfish. If you can make your own circuit boards, which isn't that hard, it's a much more economical solution. > > Peter > > > At 08:08 26/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >It's more of a "desperate man's EPIC". Go with Phidgets. They come > >already assembled and they just *work*. > > > >g. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 06:09:02 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:09:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: <003301c29657$6a15f420$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Chad C. DeMuth-Olsen wrote: > Is there a website for Phidgets? > > Chad > http://www.phidgets.com g. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 06:09:57 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (fitchett) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:09:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128153727.02aff2e8@pop.ihug.com.au> Message-ID: Well, driving 8 digits seems most obvious. The problem with going to alphanumeric displays is that they are very hard to get in small sizes. (<0.50" high) You can get 0.54" digits for about $1.10 US each. Does anyone have a decent source for small alphanumeric LED displays? Chester Phidgets can be found at www.phidgets.com > That sounds very promising, Chester. How many digits in the LED displays? > > Peter > > > At 16:39 27/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >Yes, this gets to be a problem if I keep phidgets strictly modular. Many > >of the phidgets that Chris uses were built at his request. He is > >suffering a little from being on the 'front lines'. I still want to keep > >the software side very modular, but we are talking about building a > >Phidget which will support 4 encoders, 2 alphanumeric LED displays, 20 > >digital inputs, and 20 digital inputs. By only providing terminal blocks > >as an option, I think we can sell this for $75 US. Also, the LED displays > >are interfaced using ribbon cable, so they can be positioned anywhere. > > > > > > > >Chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 06:10:16 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Justin Messenger) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:10:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Webpage update Message-ID: <20021128061016.11721.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.geocities.com/cap17.geo/weaponsys.html Justin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 06:40:52 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Stuart Whelan) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:40:52 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Need help finding a Alpha Numeric LED! In-Reply-To: <20021128061016.11721.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c296a9$18700870$d37c4fcb@beastie> Hi Folks, I am building up a TACAN for Sean G, and I am having problems finding an Alpha Numeric digit in New Zealand. Does anyone know where I can get a few of these, or an equivilent? http://www.marktechopto.com/catalog/catalog.cfm?CFID=665056&CFTOKEN=5430 5548&Drill_Level=Series&DeptID=1200&SeriesID=1183 I need the common anode version. If someone would be willing to grab a few and post them to me, I would be more than happy to send a Amazon voucher, pay pal payemt or whatever for the cost + postage + US$5 for time and effort... Can anyone help? Cheers! B. From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 06:54:30 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (fitchett) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:54:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Need help finding a Alpha Numeric LED! In-Reply-To: <001d01c296a9$18700870$d37c4fcb@beastie> Message-ID: Hey, cool. I had forgotten about these guys in my search for leds. I can grab you some, just tell me what part numbers you want. MTAN2139-AG 567 GaP White Grey - 2.90 - 10mA - 2.10 3.00 20mA 100 5V MTAN2139-CG 567 GaP White Grey - 2.90 - 10mA - 2.10 3.00 20mA 100 5V MTAN4139-AHR 635 GaAsP Red Red - 3.30 - 10mA - 2.10 3.00 20mA 100 5V MTAN4139-AO 635 GaAsP White Grey - 3.30 - 10mA - 2.10 3.00 20mA 100 5V MTAN4139-CHR 635 GaAsP Red Red - 3.30 - 10mA - 2.10 3.00 20mA 100 5V MTAN4139-CO 635 GaAsP White Grey - 3.30 - 10mA - 2.10 3.00 20mA 100 5V MTAN7139M-11A 660 GaAlAs White Grey - 17.30 - 20mA - 1.70 2.20 20mA 100 MTAN7139M-11C 660 GaAlAs White Grey - 17.30 - 20mA - 1.70 2.20 20mA 100 Chester > Hi Folks, > > I am building up a TACAN for Sean G, and I am having problems finding an > Alpha Numeric digit in New Zealand. > > Does anyone know where I can get a few of these, or an equivilent? > > http://www.marktechopto.com/catalog/catalog.cfm?CFID=665056&CFTOKEN=5430 > 5548&Drill_Level=Series&DeptID=1200&SeriesID=1183 > > I need the common anode version. > > If someone would be willing to grab a few and post them to me, I would > be more than happy to send a Amazon voucher, pay pal payemt or whatever > for the cost + postage + US$5 for time and effort... > > Can anyone help? > > Cheers! > B. > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 07:48:51 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:48:51 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Looking for B737 panel marking schematics In-Reply-To: <001401c29653$10830870$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021128204821.02ba7c30@pop3.paradise.net.nz> --=====================_1856858==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Isn't there on simpits.org? Sean. At 12:25 PM 11/27/02 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone have any schematics on the panel layouts of the Boeing 737, >specifically, for the placement of the markings and lettering? I prefer >B737-500 models or higher, but I won't be picky! :0) > >Thank you, >Chad > --=====================_1856858==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Isn't there on simpits.org?

Sean.

At 12:25 PM 11/27/02 -0800, you wrote:
Does anyone have any schematics on the panel layouts of the Boeing 737, specifically, for the placement of the markings and lettering?  I prefer B737-500 models or higher, but I won't be picky!  :0)
 
Thank you,
Chad
 
--=====================_1856858==_.ALT-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 08:14:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chad C. DeMuth-Olsen) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:14:31 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Looking for B737 panel marking schematics References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021128204821.02ba7c30@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <001301c296b6$2f439e10$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C29673.1FD344A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I looked, if you know where it is, could you give me the location? Thanks, Chad ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sean Galbraith=20 To: simpits-tech@simpits.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Looking for B737 panel marking schematics Isn't there on simpits.org? Sean. At 12:25 PM 11/27/02 -0800, you wrote: Does anyone have any schematics on the panel layouts of the Boeing = 737, specifically, for the placement of the markings and lettering? I = prefer B737-500 models or higher, but I won't be picky! :0) =20 Thank you, Chad =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C29673.1FD344A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I looked, if you know where it is, = could you give=20 me the location?
 
Thanks,
Chad
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sean=20 Galbraith
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, = 2002 11:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] = Looking for=20 B737 panel marking schematics

Isn't there on simpits.org?

Sean.

At = 12:25 PM=20 11/27/02 -0800, you wrote:
Does=20 anyone have any schematics on the panel layouts of the Boeing 737,=20 specifically, for the placement of the markings and lettering?  = I=20 prefer B737-500 models or higher, but I won't be picky! =20 :0)
 
Thank = you,
Chad
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C29673.1FD344A0-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 18:36:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:36:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting site... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HP makes a nice line of small displays. They're single digit. (I think they're now "Aligent" or "Agilent" or some such thing now) g. On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, fitchett wrote: > > Well, driving 8 digits seems most obvious. The problem with going to > alphanumeric displays is that they are very hard to get in small sizes. > (<0.50" high) You can get 0.54" digits for about $1.10 US each. Does > anyone have a decent source for small alphanumeric LED displays? > > Chester > > Phidgets can be found at www.phidgets.com > > > That sounds very promising, Chester. How many digits in the LED displays? > > > > Peter > > > > > > At 16:39 27/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Yes, this gets to be a problem if I keep phidgets strictly modular. Many > > >of the phidgets that Chris uses were built at his request. He is > > >suffering a little from being on the 'front lines'. I still want to keep > > >the software side very modular, but we are talking about building a > > >Phidget which will support 4 encoders, 2 alphanumeric LED displays, 20 > > >digital inputs, and 20 digital inputs. By only providing terminal blocks > > >as an option, I think we can sell this for $75 US. Also, the LED displays > > >are interfaced using ribbon cable, so they can be positioned anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > >Chester > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 18:40:14 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:40:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Need help finding a Alpha Numeric LED! In-Reply-To: <001d01c296a9$18700870$d37c4fcb@beastie> Message-ID: You might want to check http://www.mouser.com - although I don't know if they ship internationally. g. On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Stuart Whelan wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am building up a TACAN for Sean G, and I am having problems finding an > Alpha Numeric digit in New Zealand. > > Does anyone know where I can get a few of these, or an equivilent? > > http://www.marktechopto.com/catalog/catalog.cfm?CFID=665056&CFTOKEN=5430 > 5548&Drill_Level=Series&DeptID=1200&SeriesID=1183 > > I need the common anode version. > > If someone would be willing to grab a few and post them to me, I would > be more than happy to send a Amazon voucher, pay pal payemt or whatever > for the cost + postage + US$5 for time and effort... > > Can anyone help? > > Cheers! > B. > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 22:02:07 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:02:07 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 knobs References: <20020925145714.42327.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c29729$cb1a58b0$0200a8c0@rezultatdual> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C29732.2C9BEB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now.... it will be nice with some Knobs to chrismas ;-) Frank ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C29732.2C9BEB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now.... it will be nice with some = Knobs to=20 chrismas ;-)
 
Frank
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C29732.2C9BEB50-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 01:36:39 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:36:39 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <00c301c295dc$29b69310$3b83adcb@window2000> Message-ID: <002b01c29747$c35ab890$0100a8c0@main> Hi Albert, A portable unit would be fine. I had thought of suggesting this, but they cost about twice as much as a window unit. The picture is misleading as it doesn't show the flex-hose that connects to the back. The only real difference is that the portable unit and a window unit, is that the portable is built to connect a flex hose duct to the back and blow the heat somewhere else(hopefully outside). See here: http://www.coolestspot.com/products/coolit2000main.shtml You could simply modify a cheap window unit($200US vs. $400US new) to do the same thing. Some sheet metal, a duct collar, and a flex hose (about $20US) and you've got the same thing. For refrigerant cooling, you're using electricity to move the heat from one place to another and it takes energy to do that: about 1kW to move 2kW of heat. That means the energy to move the heat(cool) adds heat to the room. The heat from the compressor and fan motor is blown out the back of the unit. So why couldn't you just point the flex-hose toward the window(or door)? No changes to the window would be required. As far as cost, there's no free lunch (1st law of thermodynamics). A 1 kW unit will use about 1/2 kW per hour of electricity . Where I live that's about $0.05US an hour to operate. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:13 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Craig, I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are. I have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my VFW. Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few hour's time. I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls the air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought of that before?? Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these portable I have found. http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell of a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not have to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost of them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window mount system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now that I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are just old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I thought I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very hot night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same like you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool air into the cockpit. Cheers, Albert Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- e From: "Craig Rochester" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Hi Rod, > > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to cool > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the interior > separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is perfect. > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off with a > thermostat type control. > > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this link > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm > > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct in > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? Anyone know > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? > > Craig R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Rod Dale > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in the > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead behind > the seat somewhere. > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's diagram. > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy and > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power supply > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix with the > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. The > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that will > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents low down > on either side for the incoming room air. > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, with > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > When I draw this up I will upload it. > Rod > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sean Galbraith > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > > > > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other > > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, > > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway down > > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > > > Sean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 04:26:08 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Albert Yung) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:26:08 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? References: <002b01c29747$c35ab890$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <004101c2975f$e27968d0$038dadcb@window2000> Hi Craig, You got a really good point there. the running cost factor, price factor and difference between portable and window system. If the whole window mount unit is within the flat and use a flex-hose to duct the heat to the outside. I can possibly "rearrange" something in the lounge room so the unit can be place on a stand like you mentioned before. In my room where the pit is, there are no spare room to do this. If I run a host to draw air out of the cockpit and feed into the aircond air intake and one supply the cool air back into the pit as per your diagram. That sounds it will work well. I would imagine roughly the potential location of the air conditioner from the cockpit will require about....10 metres, 30ft of hose running along the walls. The bit I love the most is "No changesto the window would be required". Just some minor interior redecoration. Providing that the air conditioner inside the lounge room do not create a massive amount of heat from the motor and noise. (I am presuming that the air conditioner unit will blow the heat from the compressor and fan through the rear, so there will be minimal amount of heat from the unit adding to the room's temperature? Correct me on this if Im wrong) It can work great. Firstly, I can air condition the lounge room if I have guest coming around. Secondly, If noise and heat is a factor. The time that I uses the cockpit is at night and after dinner time when the lounge room is very much free. I wont be annoying anyone in my household. Finally, a second hand window mount air conditioner might do the job as an experiment just for learning sake. Upgrade to a better one later when I aquire some more knowledge and confident on this type of electronics. Thanks once again Craig. Albert Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Rochester" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Hi Albert, > > A portable unit would be fine. I had thought of suggesting this, but they > cost about twice as much as a window unit. The picture is misleading as it > doesn't show the flex-hose that connects to the back. The only real > difference is that the portable unit and a window unit, is that the > portable is built to connect a flex hose duct to the back and blow the heat > somewhere else(hopefully outside). See here: > http://www.coolestspot.com/products/coolit2000main.shtml > > You could simply modify a cheap window unit($200US vs. $400US new) to do the > same thing. Some sheet metal, a duct collar, and a flex hose (about $20US) > and you've got the same thing. For refrigerant cooling, you're using > electricity to move the heat from one place to another and it takes energy > to do that: about 1kW to move 2kW of heat. That means the energy to move > the heat(cool) adds heat to the room. The heat from the compressor and fan > motor is blown out the back of the unit. So why couldn't you just point the > flex-hose toward the window(or door)? No changes to the window would be > required. > > As far as cost, there's no free lunch (1st law of thermodynamics). A 1 kW > unit will use about 1/2 kW per hour of electricity . Where I live that's > about $0.05US an hour to operate. > > Craig R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Albert Yung > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:13 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > Craig, > > I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the > ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are. I > have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my VFW. > Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few hour's > time. > > I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls the > air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought of > that before?? > > Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these portable > I have found. > > http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html > > Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell of > a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not have > to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost of > them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window mount > system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with > electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now that > I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are just > old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I thought > I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air > conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very hot > night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same like > you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool air > into the cockpit. > > Cheers, > > Albert > Sydney, Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- e > From: "Craig Rochester" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > > > Hi Rod, > > > > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to cool > > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the > interior > > separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is > perfect. > > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off with > a > > thermostat type control. > > > > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this > link > > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": > > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm > > > > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct in > > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? Anyone > know > > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? > > > > Craig R. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > > On Behalf Of Rod Dale > > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the > pit? > > > > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in the > > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead behind > > the seat somewhere. > > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's > diagram. > > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy and > > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power > supply > > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo > > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix with > the > > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. The > > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. > > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that will > > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents low > down > > on either side for the incoming room air. > > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, > with > > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > > When I draw this up I will upload it. > > Rod > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sean Galbraith > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the > pit? > > > > > > > > > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the > > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other > > > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > > > > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, > > > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway > down > > > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > > > > > Sean. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > > Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 04:50:58 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:50:58 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <002b01c29747$c35ab890$0100a8c0@main> Message-ID: <000401c29762$eba232e0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> If you happen to have central air conditioning with a return air vent, you could get real inventive and use a grill cut into a wall and use the wall space to vent the hot air to the attic/basement where you could then run a duct to the return air plenum. Viola!! No hot air in the room to alter the room temperature and this air is then reconditioned by the central air unit. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Craig Rochester Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:37 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Albert, A portable unit would be fine. I had thought of suggesting this, but they cost about twice as much as a window unit. The picture is misleading as it doesn't show the flex-hose that connects to the back. The only real difference is that the portable unit and a window unit, is that the portable is built to connect a flex hose duct to the back and blow the heat somewhere else(hopefully outside). See here: http://www.coolestspot.com/products/coolit2000main.shtml You could simply modify a cheap window unit($200US vs. $400US new) to do the same thing. Some sheet metal, a duct collar, and a flex hose (about $20US) and you've got the same thing. For refrigerant cooling, you're using electricity to move the heat from one place to another and it takes energy to do that: about 1kW to move 2kW of heat. That means the energy to move the heat(cool) adds heat to the room. The heat from the compressor and fan motor is blown out the back of the unit. So why couldn't you just point the flex-hose toward the window(or door)? No changes to the window would be required. As far as cost, there's no free lunch (1st law of thermodynamics). A 1 kW unit will use about 1/2 kW per hour of electricity . Where I live that's about $0.05US an hour to operate. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:13 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Craig, I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are. I have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my VFW. Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few hour's time. I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls the air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought of that before?? Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these portable I have found. http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell of a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not have to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost of them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window mount system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now that I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are just old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I thought I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very hot night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same like you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool air into the cockpit. Cheers, Albert Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- e From: "Craig Rochester" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Hi Rod, > > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to cool > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the interior > separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is perfect. > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off with a > thermostat type control. > > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this link > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm > > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct in > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? Anyone know > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? > > Craig R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Rod Dale > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in the > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead behind > the seat somewhere. > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's diagram. > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy and > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power supply > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix with the > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. The > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that will > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents low down > on either side for the incoming room air. > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, with > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > When I draw this up I will upload it. > Rod > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sean Galbraith > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > > > > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other > > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, > > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway down > > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > > > Sean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Thu Nov 28 13:22:39 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Peter Holt) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:22:39 +1100 Subject: [simpits-tech] T-38 info In-Reply-To: <20021126172214.48300.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021129001849.025dae60@pop.ihug.com.au> In case anyone interested hasn't found it, at the bottom of the page Justin linked to, I found this link: http://www.warbirdalley.com/t38.htm If you go here and click on the 'Flight Report' button, there's some very useful info on flight procedures in the T-38 Peter At 09:22 26/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: >http://www.geocities.com/t38poop/ >Justin > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 05:17:06 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:17:06 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Looking for B737 panel marking schematics In-Reply-To: <001301c296b6$2f439e10$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021128204821.02ba7c30@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021129181616.037f70d0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> --=====================_1345164==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:14 AM 11/28/02 -0800, you wrote: >I looked, if you know where it is, could you give me the location? On the simpits website, go to Database => Graphics=> Boeing 737-800 Panels Sean. --=====================_1345164==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 12:14 AM 11/28/02 -0800, you wrote:
I looked, if you know where it is, could you give me the location?

On the simpits website, go to Database => Graphics=> Boeing 737-800 Panels

Sean. --=====================_1345164==_.ALT-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 16:48:07 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (SysAdmin) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:48:07 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim References: Message-ID: <019801c297c7$18490580$c100a8c0@viper> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0195_01C2979D.2EF40980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am also trying to build a 747-400 and I just found an XLS file with = tons of dimensions for the 747-400. ftp://ftp.simpits.org/pub/Boeing-7XX/747-XXX/ this is the main folder on the simpits website for the 747-400 Leroy Baynum ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jonas Frazier" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > Hi To all: > My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body = have any=20 > dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as=20 > accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an = airline=20 > pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where = to=20 > obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" = moniters=20 > as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm = these=20 > dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. > SEB >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* =20 > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above = page. Thanks! >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0195_01C2979D.2EF40980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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> = ------=_NextPart_000_0195_01C2979D.2EF40980-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 22:07:09 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:07:09 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: <001801c252e9$0366edd0$a9a6a942@cm29940a> Message-ID: <001901c297f3$ad220450$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Hi All ! I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with Erwin's GLASS I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out RGB-signal... Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ Fly well guys Frank From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 22:30:00 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:30:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM In-Reply-To: <001901c297f3$ad220450$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Message-ID: Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the setup? I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. Thanks! g. On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > Hi All ! > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with Erwin's GLASS > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > RGB-signal... > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > Fly well guys > > Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 23:13:03 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:13:03 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: Message-ID: <005001c297fc$de4e2050$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Hey g. I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? Did you get it ? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the setup? > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > Thanks! > > g. > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > Hi All ! > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with Erwin's GLASS > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > > RGB-signal... > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > Fly well guys > > > > Frank > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 23:41:40 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:41:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM In-Reply-To: <005001c297fc$de4e2050$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Message-ID: Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload it via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php Thanks! g. On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > Hey g. > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > Did you get it ? > > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the setup? > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > Thanks! > > > > g. > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > Hi All ! > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with Erwin's > GLASS > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Fri Nov 29 16:49:20 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Chad C. DeMuth-Olsen) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 08:49:20 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: <001801c252e9$0366edd0$a9a6a942@cm29940a> <001901c297f3$ad220450$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Message-ID: <001501c297c7$449d22b0$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> Frank, Could you provide me the URL for the site that sells these screens? Thank you, Chad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Riedel" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > Hi All ! > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with Erwin's GLASS > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > RGB-signal... > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > Fly well guys > > Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 02:56:37 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:56:37 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Ebay Headsup- mil-spec momentary hat switch In-Reply-To: <001501c297c7$449d22b0$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> Message-ID: not my auction, just ran across it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1873598812 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 03:55:11 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Ben Jones) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:55:11 +0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors Message-ID: <74595F023E74BB44848D28F3B3C8F4030491E8@saturn.universe.pipecomp.com.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29824.48008E1E Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C29824.48008E1E" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C29824.48008E1E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys sorry it took me a while to find this file on my computer on how = to connect to keyboards together and erradicate the clock problem i have not tried it yet !! =20 i do not rember what web site i got it off ..... so if the creator is = out there i give full acknoledgemet to you=20 =20 see how it works =20 regards =20 ben =20 =20 BEN JONES=20 -----------------------------------------=20 bjones@pipecomp.com.au=20 ------------------------------------------------=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > > > Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could = use > two keyboards and two monitors? > > If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans. > > Danke, > > Roy. > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above = page. 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Guys=20 sorry  it took me a while to find this file on my computer on how = to=20 connect to keyboards together and erradicate the clock=20 problem
i have=20 not tried  it yet !!
 
i do=20 not rember what web site i got it off ..... so if the creator is out = there =20 i give full acknoledgemet to you
 
see=20 how it works
 
regards
 
ben
 
 

BEN   JONES
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bjones@pipecomp.com.au
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Subject: = [simpits-tech] Two=20 Keyboards and Two Monitors


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> Hmm..=20 didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could=20 use
> two keyboards = and two=20 monitors?
>
> If=20 anyone knows about this - please = spill-da-beans.
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>=20 Danke,
>
>=20 Roy.
>

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04:10:48 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Ben Jones) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:10:48 +0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] Need help finding a Alpha Numeric LED! Message-ID: <74595F023E74BB44848D28F3B3C8F4030491EA@saturn.universe.pipecomp.com.au> FARNELL Electronic components in australia sells them to for about $40.00 aud each .. but the catalogue i'm looking at is may 1998 , so the price could be way out the one in the catalouge is a 2 character display part no 325-053 if you want more info i could scan the page for you and email it contact me directly if you like regards ben BEN JONES ----------------------------------------- bjones@pipecomp.com.au ------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Whelan [mailto:buffy@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 2:41 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Need help finding a Alpha Numeric LED! Hi Folks, I am building up a TACAN for Sean G, and I am having problems finding an Alpha Numeric digit in New Zealand. Does anyone know where I can get a few of these, or an equivilent? http://www.marktechopto.com/catalog/catalog.cfm?CFID=665056&CFTOKEN=5430 5548&Drill_Level=Series&DeptID=1200&SeriesID=1183 I need the common anode version. If someone would be willing to grab a few and post them to me, I would be more than happy to send a Amazon voucher, pay pal payemt or whatever for the cost + postage + US$5 for time and effort... Can anyone help? Cheers! B. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 11:48:43 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:48:43 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: <001801c252e9$0366edd0$a9a6a942@cm29940a> <001901c297f3$ad220450$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> <001501c297c7$449d22b0$9acbfea9@COMPUTER1> Message-ID: <001701c29866$7190db00$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Sorry, i did buy it in supermarket... Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad C. DeMuth-Olsen" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > Frank, > Could you provide me the URL for the site that sells these screens? > > Thank you, > Chad > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Riedel" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:07 PM > Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > Hi All ! > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with Erwin's > GLASS > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > > RGB-signal... > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > Fly well guys > > > > Frank > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 11:51:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:51:31 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: Message-ID: <002101c29866$d35f9ce0$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> It's up ;-) Frank Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload it > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > Thanks! > > g. > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > Hey g. > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > Did you get it ? > > > > Frank > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the setup? > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with Erwin's > > GLASS > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 11:53:38 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (James Hallows) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:53:38 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hagstrom KE24 and Macro Programming Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021130114405.02095ec0@mailhost.zen.co.uk> Howdy!

Does anyone here have any experience with the Hagstrom KE24 encoder?

I have a panel with close to 100 buttons connected to a Hagstrom KE24. It works perfectly for single keyboard key emulation. However the macro programming just isn't working, which is preventing me from programming modal keys (SHF F4, CTL s, etc.) or multiple key macros (eg. a b c). I get nothing generated from macro programmed buttons although looking at the files produced with a hex editor I can see the correct make and break codes being generated.

So if anyone out there has experience of a KE24 and has successfully gotten macro programming to work can you please tell me:

a) Version of Ke24cfg.exe you are running
b) What settings you have in your Options
c) Whether macro programming is working only for discrete inputs as opposed to a matrix setup.
d) Whether you're achieving this somehow via the RS232 interface.

Note that KE72 is a different model and uses different software to program its macros, so I can't benefit from that knowledge.

Cheers

James Hallows
 From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 13:53:47 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Craig Rochester) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:53:47 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? In-Reply-To: <004101c2975f$e27968d0$038dadcb@window2000> Message-ID: <001001c29877$e7b368a0$0100a8c0@main> Hi Albert, 10 m is a long distance for the duct. I don't understand why an 18" x 20" x 14" (46cm x 50cm x 36cm) box couldn't sit under or over the pit. Craig R. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Albert Yung Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:26 PM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? Hi Craig, You got a really good point there. the running cost factor, price factor and difference between portable and window system. If the whole window mount unit is within the flat and use a flex-hose to duct the heat to the outside. I can possibly "rearrange" something in the lounge room so the unit can be place on a stand like you mentioned before. In my room where the pit is, there are no spare room to do this. If I run a host to draw air out of the cockpit and feed into the aircond air intake and one supply the cool air back into the pit as per your diagram. That sounds it will work well. I would imagine roughly the potential location of the air conditioner from the cockpit will require about....10 metres, 30ft of hose running along the walls. The bit I love the most is "No changesto the window would be required". Just some minor interior redecoration. Providing that the air conditioner inside the lounge room do not create a massive amount of heat from the motor and noise. (I am presuming that the air conditioner unit will blow the heat from the compressor and fan through the rear, so there will be minimal amount of heat from the unit adding to the room's temperature? Correct me on this if Im wrong) It can work great. Firstly, I can air condition the lounge room if I have guest coming around. Secondly, If noise and heat is a factor. The time that I uses the cockpit is at night and after dinner time when the lounge room is very much free. I wont be annoying anyone in my household. Finally, a second hand window mount air conditioner might do the job as an experiment just for learning sake. Upgrade to a better one later when I aquire some more knowledge and confident on this type of electronics. Thanks once again Craig. Albert Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Rochester" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > Hi Albert, > > A portable unit would be fine. I had thought of suggesting this, but they > cost about twice as much as a window unit. The picture is misleading as it > doesn't show the flex-hose that connects to the back. The only real > difference is that the portable unit and a window unit, is that the > portable is built to connect a flex hose duct to the back and blow the heat > somewhere else(hopefully outside). See here: > http://www.coolestspot.com/products/coolit2000main.shtml > > You could simply modify a cheap window unit($200US vs. $400US new) to do the > same thing. Some sheet metal, a duct collar, and a flex hose (about $20US) > and you've got the same thing. For refrigerant cooling, you're using > electricity to move the heat from one place to another and it takes energy > to do that: about 1kW to move 2kW of heat. That means the energy to move > the heat(cool) adds heat to the room. The heat from the compressor and fan > motor is blown out the back of the unit. So why couldn't you just point the > flex-hose toward the window(or door)? No changes to the window would be > required. > > As far as cost, there's no free lunch (1st law of thermodynamics). A 1 kW > unit will use about 1/2 kW per hour of electricity . Where I live that's > about $0.05US an hour to operate. > > Craig R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Albert Yung > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:13 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > Craig, > > I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the > ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are. I > have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my VFW. > Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few hour's > time. > > I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls the > air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought of > that before?? > > Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these portable > I have found. > > http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html > > Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell of > a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not have > to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost of > them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window mount > system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with > electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now that > I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are just > old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I thought > I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air > conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very hot > night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same like > you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool air > into the cockpit. > > Cheers, > > Albert > Sydney, Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- e > From: "Craig Rochester" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit? > > > > Hi Rod, > > > > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. That's a good idea to cool > > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having the A/C for the > interior > > separate. The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is > perfect. > > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off with > a > > thermostat type control. > > > > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this > link > > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel": > > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm > > > > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means? Am I correct in > > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car? Anyone > know > > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet? > > > > Craig R. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] > > On Behalf Of Rod Dale > > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the > pit? > > > > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in the > > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead behind > > the seat somewhere. > > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's > diagram. > > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy and > > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power > supply > > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo > > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix with > the > > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable. The > > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel. > > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that will > > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents low > down > > on either side for the incoming room air. > > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature indicator, > with > > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet. > > When I draw this up I will upload it. > > Rod > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sean Galbraith > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the > pit? > > > > > > > > > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows the > > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or other > > > >gauge, would that be too tacky? > > > > > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel anyway, > > > with a thermostat in it. I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does, midway > down > > > the RH-Wedge panel.... Why not just use that? > > > > > > Sean. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > > Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. 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From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 14:08:31 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:08:31 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors References: <74595F023E74BB44848D28F3B3C8F4030491E8@saturn.universe.pipecomp.com.au> Message-ID: <007301c29879$f6c58600$8430cb18@Kelly> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_a4wuiXQ18sMIt2u0NU9d3A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT He He, I have the exact same plan and pictures of the device, I too I was trying to find the site that I got it from but couldn't, I have so many links, need to do a clean up :-) As for the device, it doesn't look to complicated to do. Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Jones To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors Guys sorry it took me a while to find this file on my computer on how to connect to keyboards together and erradicate the clock problem i have not tried it yet !! i do not rember what web site i got it off ..... so if the creator is out there i give full acknoledgemet to you see how it works regards ben BEN JONES ----------------------------------------- bjones@pipecomp.com.au ------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors > > > Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use > two keyboards and two monitors? > > If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans. > > Danke, > > Roy. > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! --Boundary_(ID_a4wuiXQ18sMIt2u0NU9d3A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
He He, I have the exact same plan and pictures of the device, I too I was trying to find the site that I got it from but couldn't, I have so many links, need to do a clean up :-)
As for the device, it doesn't look to complicated to do.
 
Marc..
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Jones
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors

Guys sorry  it took me a while to find this file on my computer on how to connect to keyboards together and erradicate the clock problem
i have not tried  it yet !!
 
i do not rember what web site i got it off ..... so if the creator is out there  i give full acknoledgemet to you
 
see how it works
 
regards
 
ben
 
 

BEN   JONES
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bjones@pipecomp.com.au
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Coates" <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] Two Keyboards and Two Monitors


>
>
> Hmm.. didn't I see somewhere a way to create a 'Y' cable so one could use
> two keyboards and two monitors?
>
> If anyone knows about this - please spill-da-beans.
>
> Danke,
>
> Roy.
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--Boundary_(ID_a4wuiXQ18sMIt2u0NU9d3A)-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 15:12:07 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:12:07 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: <002101c29866$d35f9ce0$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Message-ID: <007d01c29882$d928dee0$8430cb18@Kelly> Frank, in which directory is it in? Can't find it Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Riedel" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > It's up ;-) > > Frank > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload it > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > Thanks! > > > > g. > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > Hey g. > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the > setup? > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > Erwin's > > > GLASS > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 16:00:12 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:00:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hagstrom KE24 and Macro Programming In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021130114405.02095ec0@mailhost.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130105840.00a08b90@incoming.verizon.net> --=====================_732215==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed hi, call hagstrom at: 888-690-9080 they WILL be able to answer your questions most completely - adm - At 11:53 AM 11/30/02 +0000, you wrote: >Howdy! > >Does anyone here have any experience with the Hagstrom KE24 encoder? > >I have a panel with close to 100 buttons connected to a Hagstrom KE24. It >works perfectly for single keyboard key emulation. However the macro >programming just isn't working, which is preventing me from programming >modal keys (SHF F4, CTL s, etc.) or multiple key macros (eg. a b c). I get >nothing generated from macro programmed buttons although looking at the >files produced with a hex editor I can see the correct make and break >codes being generated. > >So if anyone out there has experience of a KE24 and has successfully >gotten macro programming to work can you please tell me: > >a) Version of Ke24cfg.exe you are running >b) What settings you have in your Options >c) Whether macro programming is working only for discrete inputs as >opposed to a matrix setup. >d) Whether you're achieving this somehow via the RS232 interface. > >Note that KE72 is a different model and uses different software to program >its macros, so I can't benefit from that knowledge. > >Cheers > >James Hallows >_______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech@simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, >please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ---------- Alan D. Mazurka Webspace Design & Implementation adm.design@verizon.net --=====================_732215==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" hi,

call hagstrom at:

888-690-9080

they WILL be able to answer your questions most completely
 
 - adm -

At 11:53 AM 11/30/02 +0000, you wrote:
Howdy!

Does anyone here have any experience with the Hagstrom KE24 encoder?

I have a panel with close to 100 buttons connected to a Hagstrom KE24. It works perfectly for single keyboard key emulation. However the macro programming just isn't working, which is preventing me from programming modal keys (SHF F4, CTL s, etc.) or multiple key macros (eg. a b c). I get nothing generated from macro programmed buttons although looking at the files produced with a hex editor I can see the correct make and break codes being generated.

So if anyone out there has experience of a KE24 and has successfully gotten macro programming to work can you please tell me:

a) Version of Ke24cfg.exe you are running
b) What settings you have in your Options
c) Whether macro programming is working only for discrete inputs as opposed to a matrix setup.
d) Whether you're achieving this somehow via the RS232 interface.

Note that KE72 is a different model and uses different software to program its macros, so I can't benefit from that knowledge.

Cheers

James Hallows
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--=====================_732215==_.ALT-- From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 16:31:24 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Jonas Frazier) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:31:24 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim Message-ID: Thanks, I look at it. Jonas http://www.geocities.com/dc10747/ This is my web site for my sim. >From: "SysAdmin" >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org >To: >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim >Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:48:07 -0500 > >I am also trying to build a 747-400 and I just found an XLS file with tons >of dimensions for the 747-400. > >ftp://ftp.simpits.org/pub/Boeing-7XX/747-XXX/ > >this is the main folder on the simpits website for the 747-400 > >Leroy Baynum > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jonas Frazier" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:42 PM >Subject: [simpits-tech] New Guy here! and 747 sim > > > > Hi To all: > > My name is Sebastian Frazier. I'm new to this board. Does any body have >any > > dimentions for any of the 747-400 panles? I'm trying to build one as > > accurate as possible. I'm working my way towards a career as an airline > > pilot, but this is my hobby. Any body have any suggestions of where to > > obtain these? I've tried to use some schematics and use the 8"x8" >moniters > > as a basis, but they don't seem to be working when I try to confirm >these > > dimentions. What about some magic formulas for doing this? Thanks. > > SEB > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. Thanks! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 17:00:25 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:00:25 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: <002101c29866$d35f9ce0$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> <007d01c29882$d928dee0$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: <009c01c29891$fab1a060$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> I don't now where it vent, but i send it via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php Cockpit Panel/Component F16-Viper Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly Mclaren" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > Frank, in which directory is it in? Can't find it > > Marc.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Riedel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > It's up ;-) > > > > Frank > > > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload > it > > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > Hey g. > > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the > > setup? > > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > > Erwin's > > > > GLASS > > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put > out > > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > above > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 17:05:13 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:05:13 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM In-Reply-To: <007d01c29882$d928dee0$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: <000e01c29892$a96ff890$1401a8c0@theiceberg> It's there, just search all the files. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of kelly Mclaren Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 9:12 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM Frank, in which directory is it in? Can't find it Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Riedel" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > It's up ;-) > > Frank > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload it > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > Thanks! > > > > g. > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > Hey g. > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the > setup? > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > Erwin's > > > GLASS > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 17:31:06 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:31:06 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: <000e01c29892$a96ff890$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <001501c29896$43e395a0$8430cb18@Kelly> Search all files?? Must be an easier way to find it!! I can't even find a cockpit panel folder Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > It's there, just search all the files. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of kelly Mclaren > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 9:12 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > Frank, in which directory is it in? Can't find it > > Marc.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Riedel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > It's up ;-) > > > > Frank > > > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please > upload > it > > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > Hey g. > > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of > the > > setup? > > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > > Erwin's > > > > GLASS > > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to > put > out > > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of > the > > above > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 17:40:08 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:40:08 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM In-Reply-To: <001501c29896$43e395a0$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: <001401c29897$8a18a5f0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Just log onto the home page, go to members file area. That page has a pull down menu that defaults to all files as the search subject, just click begin search and it will list all the files in this area, only about 332 or so. Scroll down to the very bottom and it should be that last one. Try this http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/files/5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of kelly Mclaren Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:31 AM To: simpits-tech@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM Search all files?? Must be an easier way to find it!! I can't even find a cockpit panel folder Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > It's there, just search all the files. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of kelly Mclaren > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 9:12 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > Frank, in which directory is it in? Can't find it > > Marc.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Riedel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > It's up ;-) > > > > Frank > > > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please > upload > it > > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > Hey g. > > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of > the > > setup? > > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > > Erwin's > > > > GLASS > > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to > put > out > > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of > the > > above > > > > page. 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Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 17:47:24 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:47:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM In-Reply-To: <002101c29866$d35f9ce0$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Message-ID: That's not too bad at all Frank. Is the text easily readable without any blurring or artifacting? g. On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > It's up ;-) > > Frank > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload it > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > Thanks! > > > > g. > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > Hey g. > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the > setup? > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > Erwin's > > > GLASS > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 17:47:48 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (kelly Mclaren) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:47:48 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: <001401c29897$8a18a5f0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <001b01c29898$98d5e200$8430cb18@Kelly> Thanks man Marc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > Just log onto the home page, go to members file area. That page has a > pull down menu that defaults to all files as the search subject, just > click begin search and it will list all the files in this area, only > about 332 or so. Scroll down to the very bottom and it should be that > last one. Try this > > http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/files/5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of kelly Mclaren > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:31 AM > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > Search all files?? Must be an easier way to find it!! I can't even find > a > cockpit panel folder > > Marc.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Fagner" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:05 PM > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > It's there, just search all the files. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of kelly Mclaren > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > Frank, in which directory is it in? Can't find it > > > > Marc.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank Riedel" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > It's up ;-) > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please > > upload > > it > > > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey g. > > > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of > > the > > > setup? > > > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running > with > > > Erwin's > > > > > GLASS > > > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to > > put > > out > > > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 > US$ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of > > the > > > above > > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of > the > > above > > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > above > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > above > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 17:51:23 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:51:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM In-Reply-To: <007d01c29882$d928dee0$8430cb18@Kelly> Message-ID: http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/allfiles.php - it's at the bottom of the list. g. On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, kelly Mclaren wrote: > Frank, in which directory is it in? Can't find it > > Marc.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Riedel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > It's up ;-) > > > > Frank > > > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload > it > > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > Hey g. > > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the > > setup? > > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > > Erwin's > > > > GLASS > > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put > out > > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > above > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. 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Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 18:29:58 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (James Hallows) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:29:58 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hagstrom KE24 and Macro Programming In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130105840.00a08b90@incoming.verizon.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021130114405.02095ec0@mailhost.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021130182723.026b4c50@mailhost.zen.co.uk> At 11:00 30/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >hi, > >call hagstrom at: > >888-690-9080 > >they WILL be able to answer your questions most completely > I've e-mailed them but no response yet, and as I live in England, I don't fancy the cost of an International Tech Support phone call. Remember that we don't all live in the States ;) James From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 18:40:16 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:40:16 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: Message-ID: <00c001c2989f$ef1b9720$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> The text in the the Glass Cockpit Graphic is absolutly readable i'm very pleased about it. If there was somthing that can be better it must be Erwin that must make the graphics in the Glass software more color contrast. ex. he mus use white instead of grey on a black background etc. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > That's not too bad at all Frank. Is the text easily readable without any > blurring or artifacting? > > g. > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > It's up ;-) > > > > Frank > > > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload it > > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > Hey g. > > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the > > setup? > > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > > Erwin's > > > > GLASS > > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put out > > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > above > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 19:23:39 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:23:39 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Good lord you guys are chatty! Message-ID: Heheh. I just got back from a short trip, gone for a day-and-a-half, and 41 messages sitting in my inbox, ~35 from simpits-tech. :) Good to see the chatter, though. :) All I know is I gotta remember to unsubscribe this summer before I take off for field training (4 weeks without 'net access, I think I'm gonna die) or I'll be driving Gene CRAZY with rejected messages. :) Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 19:37:26 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:37:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM In-Reply-To: <00c001c2989f$ef1b9720$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> Message-ID: Thanks for the update Frank. g. On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > The text in the the Glass Cockpit Graphic is absolutly readable > i'm very pleased about it. > If there was somthing that can be better it must be Erwin that must > make the graphics in the Glass software more color contrast. > ex. he mus use white instead of grey on a black background etc. > > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > That's not too bad at all Frank. Is the text easily readable without any > > blurring or artifacting? > > > > g. > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > It's up ;-) > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload > it > > > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey g. > > > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the > > > setup? > > > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > > > Erwin's > > > > > GLASS > > > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put > out > > > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > > above > > > > > page. 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Thanks! > From simpits-tech@simpits.org Sat Nov 30 20:18:25 2002 From: simpits-tech@simpits.org (Frank Riedel) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:18:25 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM References: Message-ID: <011201c298ad$a3dfea00$7c4d3e50@rezultatdual> noprob. ;-) Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > Thanks for the update Frank. > > g. > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > The text in the the Glass Cockpit Graphic is absolutly readable > > i'm very pleased about it. > > If there was somthing that can be better it must be Erwin that must > > make the graphics in the Glass software more color contrast. > > ex. he mus use white instead of grey on a black background etc. > > > > Frank > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > That's not too bad at all Frank. Is the text easily readable without any > > > blurring or artifacting? > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > It's up ;-) > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > Filename: 5-INS-TFT-HSI.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, you can't send images over 40k through the list. Please upload > > it > > > > > via http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/upload.php > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey g. > > > > > > I have send a pic. but a massage returned saying that > > > > > > the massage bieng hold by admin ?????? > > > > > > Did you get it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Gene Buckle" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:30 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 5" TFT for PSone from TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank, if you've got a digital camera, could you post pics of the > > > > setup? > > > > > > > I'd really like to see how it looks displayed on that LCD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All ! > > > > > > > > I have my to 5" TFT PSone display from TM up and running with > > > > Erwin's > > > > > > GLASS > > > > > > > > I converted the second output from my Matrox 550 Dualhead to put > > out > > > > > > > > RGB-signal... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Works fantastik... look forward to build my MFD to the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The price for 1 TM PSone 5" TFT, is 600,00 Dkr = about 70 US$ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fly well guys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > > > above > > > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > above > > > > > > page. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > > > > > Simpits-tech@simpits.org > > > > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > > > > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > above > > > > page. 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