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Date: Wednesday, F= ebruary 05, 2003 9:46:45 PM

Subject: RE: [simp= its-chat] f-15 monster RC model

Tanks!! Yeah = baby, TANKS!! See if you can find that link for me, I=92d love to h= ave that. Just think, you could load some bottle rockets in the tur= ret and have some serious tank wars, that would totally kick ass!! = That=92s almost as insane as building a full scale flight simulator.

Jay

-----Original = Message-----
From: sim= pits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams
= Sent: Wednesday, February= 05, 2003 7:37 PM
To: = simpits-chat@simpits.org; simpits-chat@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC = model

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I would love to get into it too, maybe down t= he road abit, On mounting the camera in the nose, I was thinking the sme = thing, that would be awsome, I have seen them in model trains, and they a= re very cool to watch a train go around the layout from the engineer pers= pective, Jay, have you stubled upon the scale tanks, BIG model steel tank= s, these guys scratch build everthing from steel, right down to each trac= link, I wish I could find the URL, hey are awsome also, I think they are= 1/ 12th scale. Also stumbled on a site where the guys made huge sca= le ships, some were 12 feet long and very detailed.

http://www.modelwarship.com/friends/sapcote/index.cf= m

Mike Williams

-------Original Messag= e-------

= From: simpits-chat@simpits.org

= Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:13:24 P= M

= To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

= Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC = model

I would love to see= one of these fly as well. I would drive a few hours to see it.&nbs= p; When I first stumbled on these guys about a year ago when I was thinki= ng about getting into RC models, I was speechless. I subsequently d= idn=92t get into RC=92s (not yet anyway) because I knew that it would not= end until I had one of these bad boys. I have tried to find some f= ootage on the net, to see and hear it, but it=92s scarce.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [= mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:47 PM
To: simpits-chat@simpits.org; sim= pits-chat@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model

Jay, Dave's jet is powered, he has clocked it= at 128 mph, the landing gear actuate and twist like the real = thing, the motors do 115,000 rpm

and 24 lbs of thrust, I don't know if Da= ve is on the chat list, he is on the main list, maybe he will chime in on= the specs, I would love to see something this big and fast fly.

Mike Williams

-------Original Messag= e-------

= From: simpits-chat@simpits.org

= Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:59:52 P= M

= To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

= Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC = model

You guys know that there are folks out there = that have models this size that
are actually powered by miniature jet = engines? I found this about a year
ago and can't remember if anyone ev= er mentioned it or not. Here is the link
to the site that is pretty mu= ch the gold standard in this hobby:

www.bvmjets.com

Jay

p.s maybe some day for me I'll= do this.

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simp= its.org]
On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Wednesday, February 05,= 2003 2:19 PM
To: simpits-= chat@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model=

> Here is a pic Dave Scott from the UK sent to me, I was amaze= d looking at
> this
> model and I know there are RC modelers = on the list so thought I would
share
> it w/ you, ask Dave any q= uestons you have about it, he scratch built it
and
> has an F4 a= nd Viper too.
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mikewilliams3/f-15.jpg>
That just kicks ass. :)

g.

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Yeah baby, TANKS!! See if you can find that link for me, I=92d = love to have that. Just think, you could load some bottle rockets in the turr= et and have some serious tank wars, that would totally kick ass!! That=92s almost as insane as building a full scale flight simulator.=0D =0D Jay=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.o= rg] On Behalf Of Mike Williams=0D Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:37 PM=0D To: simpits-chat@simpits.org; simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model=0D =0D I would love to get into it too, maybe down the road abit, On mounting th= e camera in the nose, I was thinking the sme thing, that would be awsome, I have seen them in model trains, and they are very cool to watch a train g= o around the layout from the engineer perspective, Jay, have you stubled up= on the scale tanks, BIG model steel tanks, these guys scratch build everthin= g from steel, right down to each trac link, I wish I could find the URL, he= y are awsome also, I think they are 1/ 12th scale. Also stumbled on a site where the guys made huge scale ships, some were 12 feet long and very detailed.=0D =0D http://www.modelwarship.com/friends/sapcote/index.cfm=0D =0D =0D =0D Mike Williams=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:13:24 PM=0D To: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model=0D =0D I would love to see one of these fly as well. I would drive a few hours = to see it. When I first stumbled on these guys about a year ago when I was thinking about getting into RC models, I was speechless. I subsequently didn=92t get into RC=92s (not yet anyway) because I knew that it would no= t end until I had one of these bad boys. I have tried to find some footage on = the net, to see and hear it, but it=92s scarce.=0D =0D Jay=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.o= rg] On Behalf Of Mike Williams=0D Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:47 PM=0D To: simpits-chat@simpits.org; simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model=0D =0D Jay, Dave's jet is powered, he has clocked it at 128 mph, the landing ge= ar actuate and twist like the real thing, the motors do 115,000 rpm=0D and 24 lbs of thrust, I don't know if Dave is on the chat list, he is on = the main list, maybe he will chime in on the specs, I would love to see something this big and fast fly.=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D Mike Williams=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:59:52 PM=0D To: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model=0D =0D You guys know that there are folks out there that have models this size t= hat=0D are actually powered by miniature jet engines? I found this about a year=0D ago and can't remember if anyone ever mentioned it or not. Here is the li= nk=0D to the site that is pretty much the gold standard in this hobby:=0D =0D www.bvmjets.com=0D =0D Jay=0D =0D p.s maybe some day for me I'll do this.=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.o= rg]=0D On Behalf Of Gene Buckle=0D Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:19 PM=0D To: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model=0D =0D > Here is a pic Dave Scott from the UK sent to me, I was amazed looking a= t=0D > this=0D > model and I know there are RC modelers on the list so thought I would=0D share=0D > it w/ you, ask Dave any questons you have about it, he scratch built it= =0D and=0D > has an F4 and Viper too.=0D > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mikewilliams3/f-15.jpg=0D >=0D That just kicks ass. :)=0D =0D g.=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D simpits-chat mailing list=0D simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D simpits-chat mailing list=0D simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat=0D =2E =0D =0D =0D =0D IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here=0D =20= --Boundary_(ID_iVUmo2FnnsAOIyehuu7+rw) Content-type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

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Subject: RE: [simp= its-chat] f-15 monster RC model

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= Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:13:24 P= M

= To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

= Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC = model

Jay

Jay, Dave's jet is powered, he has clocked it= at 128 mph, the landing gear actuate and twist like the real = thing, the motors do 115,000 rpm

and 24 lbs of thrust, I don't know if Da= ve is on the chat list, he is on the main list, maybe he will chime in on= the specs, I would love to see something this big and fast fly.

Mike Williams

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My biggest concern is dropping a few grand into one of these and > then pancaking it on the ground and watching it all go up in flames. > The idea is to have a few years of practice flying the cheaper and slower ones before you dedicate your midlife crisis to an R/C jet. Your chances of re-kitting it are much smaller then. :) g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 6 09:37:12 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Ben Jones) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:37:12 +0800 Subject: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model References: <000801c2cd88$bf166f00$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <002901c2cdc3$54a966a0$4600640a@homeo9w9s34m23> I myself have flown model aircraft at a national level in australia all be it free- flight and controll line, not big R/C i saw a case in the eastern states during a national championships where the majority of aircraft were being flown as a demonstration to the public on a open day little did they know that a persons kid in the audience hada remote controlled car he was playing with for about a minute on and off , slowly one by one aircraft did wierd things and 2 hit the deck , a call was made over the pa to any aeromodlers to check there frequency tags and turn off all non flying gear , after the third aircraft headed out of radio range at a great rate of knots siome one woke up to what was happening , grabbed the controller of the kid and popped the batts out , after a couple of seconds the kid got disgruntled and threw a wobbly , the parents got upset and demanded he be able to play with his car ,........ after much agro they said ok who the pays for the 7000 dollar bill for the two pranged aircraft and one lost one .... neverless the parents and the kid retreated fairley quickley to there car and naffed off... ben bjones@pipecomp.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model > I've seen that on eBay and the hobby store and thought about getting one of > those. My biggest concern is dropping a few grand into one of these and > then pancaking it on the ground and watching it all go up in flames. > > Jay From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 6 10:23:42 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:23:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model In-Reply-To: <3E41B06E.00000A.01924@mike> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Mike Williams wrote: > Jay, Dave's jet is powered, he has clocked it at 128 mph, the landing gear > actuate and twist like the real thing, the motors do 115,000 rpm > and 24 lbs of thrust, I don't know if Dave is on the chat list, he is on the > main list, maybe he will chime in on the specs, I would love to see > something this big and fast fly. > Is this the model that was featured on the TV show Model Mania? If so.. it rocks! It *sounds* like the real thing and I want at least one! Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 6 16:00:04 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:00:04 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B46D@exchange.clearsky.dk> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2CDF8.CFD9F970 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C2CDF8.CFD9F970" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C2CDF8.CFD9F970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ive read about a guy in norway that had a f-15 with a twin turbine, who clocked about 600 kph ~ 300 mph he had a special licenced frequency with extra wattage just to be able to control it at that speed =20 =20 but unfortutnatly i can not find the site anymore =20 /Stig -----Original Message----- From: Mike Williams [mailto:mikewilliams3@comcast.net] Sent: 6. februar 2003 01:47 To: simpits-chat@simpits.org; simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model Jay, Dave's jet is powered, he has clocked it at 128 mph, the landing gear actuate and twist like the real thing, the motors do 115,000 rpm and 24 lbs of thrust, I don't know if Dave is on the chat list, he is on the main list, maybe he will chime in on the specs, I would love to see something this big and fast fly. =20 =20 Mike Williams -------Original Message------- =20 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org =20 Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:59:52 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org =20 Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model =20 You guys know that there are folks out there that have models this size that are actually powered by miniature jet engines? I found this about a year ago and can't remember if anyone ever mentioned it or not. Here is the link to the site that is pretty much the gold standard in this hobby: www.bvmjets.com =20 Jay p.s maybe some day for me I'll do this. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [ mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org ] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:19 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org =20 Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model > Here is a pic Dave Scott from the UK sent to me, I was amazed looking at > this > model and I know there are RC modelers on the list so thought I would share > it w/ you, ask Dave any questons you have about it, he scratch built it and > has an F4 and Viper too. > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mikewilliams3/f-15.jpg =20 > That just kicks ass. :) g. _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org =20 http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat =20 _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org =20 http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat =20 .=20 =09 ____________________________________________________ = IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------_=_NextPart_002_01C2CDF8.CFD9F970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ive read about a = guy in norway=20 that had a f-15 with a twin turbine, who clocked about 600 kph ~ 300 = mph he had a=20 special licenced frequency with extra wattage just to be able to control = it at=20 that speed

but unfortutnatly i = can not=20 find the site anymore

/Stig

-----Original Message-----
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Jay, Dave's jet is powered, he has clocked it at 128 = mph, the=20 landing gear actuate and twist like the real thing, the = motors do=20 115,000 rpm

and 24 lbs of thrust, I don't know if Dave is on the = chat=20 list, he is on the main list, maybe he will chime in on the = specs,=20 I would love to see something this big and fast fly.

Mike Williams

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You guys know that there are folks out there = that have=20 models this size that
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to the site that is = pretty much=20 the gold standard in this hobby:

www.bvmjets.com

Jay

p.s= =20 maybe some day for me I'll do this.

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> Here is a = pic Dave=20 Scott from the UK sent to me, I was amazed looking at
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Hi guy's

here are some details on my F-15 , = 85"long,=20 54" wingspan all up weight 14 lbs, the model=20 is powered by two gas = turbines=20 made from plans i got of the web , I also purchased the turbine = wheels from=20 the same place .they put out 24lbs of thrust @115.000 rpm so going = vertical is=20 not a problem.the model uses 8 channels,these being , rudders ,=20 stabilisers, landing gear, speed brake, throttle , lighting system, = main=20 gear brakes and engine start. the turbines are controlled by an = electronic=20 control unit, which will start , run and check the system before handing = control=20 over to the transmitter, it will also control the shut down and spools = the=20 turbines up and down to cool the units .the model has nav, anti = collision ,=20 formation and landing lighting, the landing light operates from the nose = gear,=20 the main gear twists and turn on retraction,and the gear doors are = sequenced,=20 the model also has a full fail-safe system which is required on this=20 model .fuselage is f/ glass with some carbon fibre in high = stress=20 areas the wings and stab's are hot wire cut from white foam ,1/16" = balsa=20 skinned then glassed the fins and stab's are the same method, = landing=20 gear and pneumatic system are also home made. the model is quite = docile to=20 fly , but focuses the mind when you turn the power on=20 .

Dave

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2CE44.7CE9F2C0-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 7 01:20:01 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:20:01 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model In-Reply-To: <000801c2cd88$bf166f00$1401a8c0@theiceberg> References: <000801c2cd88$bf166f00$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <200302070112.UAA27081@rtccom.net> On Wednesday 05 February 2003 21:37, you wrote: > I've seen that on eBay and the hobby store and thought about getting one of > those. My biggest concern is dropping a few grand into one of these and > then pancaking it on the ground and watching it all go up in flames. > > Jay Crashes happen, but hopefully you won't start out with a several thousand dollar masterpiece as your first plane. :) -Matt Bailey From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 7 01:24:43 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:24:43 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] f-15 monster RC model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302070117.UAA27810@rtccom.net> Yep, the right/left thing becomes second nature after some experience. You'd be surprised how natural it becomes, flying the plane in any attitude imaginable. The most trouble I have usually is trying to remember what direction to move the rudder when inverted. As far as sims go, actually I started out with flying the default 182 in FS5.x from the tower view, using a simple Gravis joystick. It by no means made me proficient, but it definitely helped me get used to flying the plane in many different attitudes. I think any simulator that has a similar external view could be helpful to some extent. -Matt Bailey On Wednesday 05 February 2003 20:40, Gene wrote: > > lot easier I would think, since you constantly have to take into account > > the direction of the plane in relation to your controls. > > After you've spent some time with a transmitter in your hands, it becomes > totally automatic. You don't even think about it. I suggest you get a > package like Real Flight that comes with "transmitter" so you can train > your thumbs before you break a real model. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 7 01:31:47 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:31:47 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] F- 15 Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E110FF@exchange.clearsky.dk> Dave, What is the aprox. cost of creating these gas turbines? and how did you manage there power, in term of them being aligned, meaning the the left will not produce more thrust than the right or vise versa and finaly, what is the ABT (air borne time) with a given fuel wieght? (2 min per kg?) /Stig -----Original Message----- From: funhouse24 [mailto:funhouse24@supanet.com] Sent: 7. februar 2003 02:02 To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-chat] F- 15 Hi guy's here are some details on my F-15 , 85"long, 54" wingspan all up weight 14 lbs, the model is powered by two gas turbines made from plans i got of the web , I also purchased the turbine wheels from the same place .they put out 24lbs of thrust @115.000 rpm so going vertical is not a problem.the model uses 8 channels,these being , rudders , stabilisers, landing gear, speed brake, throttle , lighting system, main gear brakes and engine start. the turbines are controlled by an electronic control unit, which will start , run and check the system before handing control over to the transmitter, it will also control the shut down and spools the turbines up and down to cool the units .the model has nav, anti collision , formation and landing lighting, the landing light operates from the nose gear, the main gear twists and turn on retraction,and the gear doors are sequenced, the model also has a full fail-safe system which is required on this model .fuselage is f/ glass with some carbon fibre in high stress areas the wings and stab's are hot wire cut from white foam ,1/16" balsa skinned then glassed the fins and stab's are the same method, landing gear and pneumatic system are also home made. the model is quite docile to fly , but focuses the mind when you turn the power on . Dave From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 7 02:15:58 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (funhouse24) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:15:58 -0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] F-15 Message-ID: <000001c2ce4f$8ce5bdc0$53ac6fd4@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C2CE4E.DA70ED40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stig, the plans cost =A318 UK ,the turbine wheels =A3100 UK each , I = have all the materials needed to make the engines ,as that's what i do = for a living , there no problem with asymmetric thrust the engine = control unit takes care of this ,besides the engines are so close = together in this aircraft it has no affect really, but with ducted fan = twins engine balance is more critical. the engines burn approximately = 200grams per hour at 160.000 rpm ,my tanks give me 15 minutes,the = transmitter alarm sounds at 10 minutes giving me 5 minutes to land = before flame out.the engine temp is usually 580 to 680 C , 690 never = exceed temp. hope this helps you Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C2CE4E.DA70ED40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Stig, the plans cost =A318 UK ,the = turbine wheels=20 =A3100 UK each , I have all the materials needed to make=20 the engines ,as that's what i do for a living , there no = problem=20 with asymmetric thrust the engine control unit takes care of this = ,besides the=20 engines are so close together in this aircraft it has no affect really, = but with=20 ducted fan twins engine balance is more critical. the engines burn=20 approximately 200grams per hour at 160.000 rpm ,my tanks give me 15 = minutes,the=20 transmitter alarm sounds at 10 minutes giving me 5 minutes to land = before=20 flame out.the engine temp is usually 580 to 680 C , 690 never = exceed=20 temp.

hope this helps you

Dave

------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C2CE4E.DA70ED40-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 7 06:57:41 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:57:41 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] F-15 In-Reply-To: <000001c2ce4f$8ce5bdc0$53ac6fd4@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001001c2ce76$38571890$1401a8c0@theiceberg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2CE43.EDBE2F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would love to get a set of plans for building this. How complex and = what level of skills would one need? I see these engines going for $3000 US, = but spending time beats spending money. Can one build a turbine to go in = any large scale aircraft model, let=92s say an F-16, or are these plans = pretty much for the F-15 specifically. =20 Jay =20 -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of funhouse24 Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:16 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-chat] F-15 =20 Hi Stig, the plans cost =A318 UK ,the turbine wheels =A3100 UK each , I = have all the materials needed to make the engines ,as that's what i do for a living , there no problem with asymmetric thrust the engine control unit takes care of this ,besides the engines are so close together in this aircraft it has no affect really, but with ducted fan twins engine = balance is more critical. the engines burn approximately 200grams per hour at 160.000 rpm ,my tanks give me 15 minutes,the transmitter alarm sounds at = 10 minutes giving me 5 minutes to land before flame out.the engine temp is usually 580 to 680 C , 690 never exceed temp. hope this helps you Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2CE43.EDBE2F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would love to get a set of plans = for building this.=A0 How complex and what level of skills would one = need?=A0 I see these engines going for $3000 US, but spending time beats spending = money.=A0 Can one build a turbine to go in any large scale aircraft model, let’s = say an F-16, or are these plans pretty much for the F-15 = specifically.

Jay

-----Original = Message-----
From: = simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of funhouse24
Sent: Thursday, February = 06, 2003 8:16 PM
To: = simpits-chat@simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-chat] = F-15

Hi Stig, the plans cost = =A318 UK ,the turbine wheels =A3100 UK each , I have all the materials = needed to make the engines ,as that's what i do for a living , = there no problem with asymmetric thrust the engine control unit takes care of = this ,besides the engines are so close together in this aircraft it has no = affect really, but with ducted fan twins engine balance is more critical. = the engines burn approximately 200grams per hour at 160.000 rpm ,my tanks = give me 15 minutes,the transmitter alarm sounds at 10 minutes giving me 5 = minutes to land before flame out.the engine temp is usually 580 to 680 C = , 690 never exceed temp.

hope this helps = you

Dave

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2CE43.EDBE2F30-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 7 13:36:05 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (funhouse24) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:36:05 -0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Turbines Message-ID: <000b01c2ceae$0760a200$05ac6fd4@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2CEAD.DD14FF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joseph, =20 the turbines have mounting lugs on each side that are = used to mount the units in the air frame , all you may have to do have = to do is adjust the engine mounts in the air frame. I have just finished = building a viper and will put one of the turbines in this model , the = other turbine will go in my F-4 when finished. these models are not = quite as big as the F-15 , the viper being 67"long and 44" wingspan, the = F-4 is 56"long and 43 " wing span both will weigh in the region of 12 / = 14 pounds. The turbines are not for the beginner as all the parts are machined to = very close tolerance for obvious reasons, I think you can now buy a self = assembly turbine kit ,that when complete is returned to the manufacture = to be balanced, don't quote me on this, I have been out of the model = scene a few years. The dimensions of the turbines are 90 mm diameter and = 150mm long. hope this helps you Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2CEAD.DD14FF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Joseph,

&nbs= p; =20 the turbines have mounting lugs on each side that are used to mount = the=20 units in the air frame , all you may have to do have to do is = adjust=20 the engine mounts in the air frame. I have just finished building a = viper and=20 will put one of the turbines in this model , the other turbine will go = in my F-4=20 when finished. these models are not quite as big as the F-15 , the viper = being=20 67"long and 44" wingspan, the F-4 is 56"long and 43 " wing span = both will=20 weigh in the region of 12 / 14 pounds.

The turbines are not for the beginner = as all the=20 parts are machined to very close tolerance for obvious reasons, I = think you=20 can now buy a self assembly turbine kit ,that when complete is returned = to the=20 manufacture to be balanced, don't quote me on this, I have been out of = the model=20 scene a few years. The dimensions of the turbines are 90 mm diameter and = 150mm=20 long.

hope this helps you

Dave

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2CEAD.DD14FF00-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 7 15:41:10 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:41:10 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] Turbines Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E11100@exchange.clearsky.dk> check www.overfly.dk or www.simjet.com /Stig -----Original Message----- From: funhouse24 [mailto:funhouse24@supanet.com] Sent: 7. februar 2003 14:36 To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-chat] Turbines Hi Joseph, the turbines have mounting lugs on each side that are used to mount the units in the air frame , all you may have to do have to do is adjust the engine mounts in the air frame. I have just finished building a viper and will put one of the turbines in this model , the other turbine will go in my F-4 when finished. these models are not quite as big as the F-15 , the viper being 67"long and 44" wingspan, the F-4 is 56"long and 43 " wing span both will weigh in the region of 12 / 14 pounds. The turbines are not for the beginner as all the parts are machined to very close tolerance for obvious reasons, I think you can now buy a self assembly turbine kit ,that when complete is returned to the manufacture to be balanced, don't quote me on this, I have been out of the model scene a few years. The dimensions of the turbines are 90 mm diameter and 150mm long. hope this helps you Dave From simpits-chat@simpits.org Sun Feb 9 22:07:09 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 22:07:09 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Stock Photos Message-ID: You'd think, with such a massive selection of stock model photographs, the chances of seeing something like this happen would be pretty slim... but hey, I saw it: http://www.me.mtu.edu/~bjsikkem/stock.jpg Brian _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Sun Feb 9 22:44:04 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:44:04 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] Stock Photos Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E11103@exchange.clearsky.dk> some guffed ... :-) and ill bet she isn't on a dating list..... but if she is there must be something seriuosly wrong with her :-) /stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Sikkema [mailto:hangr18@hotmail.com] > Sent: 9. februar 2003 23:07 > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: [simpits-chat] Stock Photos > > > You'd think, with such a massive selection of stock model > photographs, the > chances of seeing something like this happen would be pretty > slim... but > hey, I saw it: > > http://www.me.mtu.edu/~bjsikkem/stock.jpg > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 12 18:31:02 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:31:02 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] www.cockpitwatches.com Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1110B@exchange.clearsky.dk> Have you seen this www.cockpitwatches.com /Stig From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 12 18:45:04 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:45:04 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] *ubergloat* Message-ID: Well, guess who just found out he's getting sent to Patrick AFB, Florida, for spring break? :) MUHAHAHAHA. That's right, I'm getting paid, PAID, to go to Florida over spring break and tour a satelite launch facility, and maybe even get to see a launch! You can't beat that, you just can't. Hehehehe. I'm so pumped! :) Brian _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 12 19:01:22 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:01:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] www.cockpitwatches.com In-Reply-To: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1110B@exchange.clearsky.dk> Message-ID: Now that's a neat idea. g. On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Stig Joergensen wrote: > Have you seen this > > www.cockpitwatches.com > > /Stig > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 12 21:17:36 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:17:36 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] www.cockpitwatches.com References: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1110B@exchange.clearsky.dk> Message-ID: <3E4AB9F0.000007.06360@mike> --Boundary_(ID_tL+1IniLXfa5k5Me1WAaLg) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_onA67Ch2cRmVwzwMsqRb0A)" --Boundary_(ID_onA67Ch2cRmVwzwMsqRb0A) Content-type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT For the discriminating Pitter who has everything Mike Williams -------Original Message------- From: simpits-chat@simpits.org Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:30:35 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-chat] www.cockpitwatches.com Have you seen this www.cockpitwatches.com /Stig _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat . --Boundary_(ID_onA67Ch2cRmVwzwMsqRb0A) Content-type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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Mister I.M. Gettingpaid to watch a launch. I am so very jealous, so very jealous, can you see the green of envy in my characters? Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sikkema" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: [simpits-chat] *ubergloat* > Well, guess who just found out he's getting sent to Patrick AFB, Florida, > for spring break? :) MUHAHAHAHA. That's right, I'm getting paid, PAID, to go > to Florida over spring break and tour a satelite launch facility, and maybe > even get to see a launch! You can't beat that, you just can't. Hehehehe. I'm > so pumped! :) > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 14 15:17:56 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:17:56 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] Happy birsday... Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1110E@exchange.clearsky.dk> Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager is 80 today From simpits-chat@simpits.org Tue Feb 18 20:39:08 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:39:08 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed Message-ID: Hey Guys, This is way OT, even for the chat list, but I need some serious advice here. Thursday the school shut off my network connection, and told me to go to the deans office. I thought I had been busted for copyright violations (mp3s), but today I got my official letter stating the charges: Sexual harassment and computer misuse/fraud. Talk about a wake-up call!!! Anyway, I had a meeting today at 2:30 to discuss the sitation, where they provided me with the evidence against me. Someone subscribed the dean of students to a raunchy mailing list, and they traced the subscribing command back to my IP. So here's my question: How possible/likely would it be for someone to either spoof my IP in the subscription request, or hack my computer and make the subscription from there? I was running '98 at the time (I dual boot), but I do not have outlook or any other mail programs installed. So, what's your technical oppinion? I know I didn't do it, but I'm hoping to come up with some evidence to support my theories. My hearing is 2:30 on Thursday (EST). All help appreciated! Brian _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Tue Feb 18 21:07:15 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:07:15 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B474@exchange.clearsky.dk> Brian - Sorry to hear about your trouble The most likely thing that happened is one of 3 things.... 1) you had a virus at that time.... 2) someone used your computer, and send a mail from there - not that hard to do without leaving any trace (any decent computer geek can do by the use of telnet, which is installed as a standard thing on any windowz computer), and if you have win98 at that time there is no way of trace it... the best you could do is get a copy of the smtp server log, and the original mail (header and all) this way we might help - but anything we might come up with from these logs might be considered inconclusive as i just said; any half-way-wanna-be-geek-script-kiddy-im-a-big-hacker can do it 3) a hardcore hacker spoofed your ip address and used his own machine for the "crime" i've listed the possibilities (if it was a mail used to subscribe, but even telnet can be used to do internet browsing) as i see them and the priority where 1 is most likely and 3 the least likely..... if you can get the log files and email, i can try to help..... but i suspect that you are seriously fubar.... Sorry ohh also secure the "temporary internet files" - zip (and retain the timestamps) the directory and be careful not to touch the timestamp of the files..... but i need more info on how the subscription was done and what have happened to your mashine since the subscription if im to be any help..... /stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Sikkema [mailto:hangr18@hotmail.com] > Sent: 18. februar 2003 21:39 > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > Hey Guys, > > This is way OT, even for the chat list, but I need some > serious advice here. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Tue Feb 18 21:37:54 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian, send me the message header so I can take a look at it. Yes, it's easy to spoof an ip address. It's done all the time in denial of service attacks. Since Win98 has no security to speak of, anyone with physical access to the machine could comprimise it. In my opinion, trying to accuse you of "computer misuse/fraud" for subscribing someone to a mailing list is absurd. Also, every mailing list that I'm on required me to submit a confirmation email to verify the authenticity of the subscription request. Tell me what the list address is and I'll verify whether or not this "raunch" list has that policy. If they do, someone with access to the Dean of Students' email account subscribed (her) to the list. g. On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Hey Guys, > > This is way OT, even for the chat list, but I need some serious advice here. > > Thursday the school shut off my network connection, and told me to go to the > deans office. I thought I had been busted for copyright violations (mp3s), > but today I got my official letter stating the charges: > > Sexual harassment and computer misuse/fraud. > > Talk about a wake-up call!!! Anyway, I had a meeting today at 2:30 to > discuss the sitation, where they provided me with the evidence against me. > Someone subscribed the dean of students to a raunchy mailing list, and they > traced the subscribing command back to my IP. So here's my question: > > How possible/likely would it be for someone to either spoof my IP in the > subscription request, or hack my computer and make the subscription from > there? I was running '98 at the time (I dual boot), but I do not have > outlook or any other mail programs installed. So, what's your technical > oppinion? I know I didn't do it, but I'm hoping to come up with some > evidence to support my theories. My hearing is 2:30 on Thursday (EST). > > All help appreciated! > Brian > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Tue Feb 18 21:48:15 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:48:15 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c2d797$715e8a90$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Also, most universities have some sort of legal aid available. I would seriously consider looking into this as this could really tarnish your school record and haunt you on down the line. Make sure to clear your name completely. I agree with Gene, any half dimwit could have subscribed her to that mailing list. Go in there with the options that have been listed and prove to them that anyone could have done this and that there is no way for you to prove that you didn't do this. Just because it came from your IP doesn't mean you did it. If someone mails a pipe bomb or hate letter and puts your return address on the envelope, does that mean you sent it? No. You really need the logs and temp files to find out when it was sent and hopefully you can prove that you were no where near your computer when it happened. That's about the only way I could see that you could prove yourself innocent. I wish I could be more help. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:39 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed Hey Guys, This is way OT, even for the chat list, but I need some serious advice here. Thursday the school shut off my network connection, and told me to go to the deans office. I thought I had been busted for copyright violations (mp3s), but today I got my official letter stating the charges: Sexual harassment and computer misuse/fraud. Talk about a wake-up call!!! Anyway, I had a meeting today at 2:30 to discuss the sitation, where they provided me with the evidence against me. Someone subscribed the dean of students to a raunchy mailing list, and they traced the subscribing command back to my IP. So here's my question: How possible/likely would it be for someone to either spoof my IP in the subscription request, or hack my computer and make the subscription from there? I was running '98 at the time (I dual boot), but I do not have outlook or any other mail programs installed. So, what's your technical oppinion? I know I didn't do it, but I'm hoping to come up with some evidence to support my theories. My hearing is 2:30 on Thursday (EST). All help appreciated! Brian _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat From simpits-chat@simpits.org Tue Feb 18 23:18:33 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:18:33 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed Message-ID: Ok, reply to all the emails recieved so far: Virus: low likelyhood. I dont have any mailing programs of any kind installed on my computer. I'm gonna run a scan once I get back to my computer tonight, though, just to be sure. Temporary internet files.... erm, nuked... When they first shut me down I thought it was for copyright violation, and I got paranoid, quite overly so. Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean recieved the email asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT and they emailed the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it was set up. I gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I left myself with the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the newsletter people who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter people responded with one line: my IP address. Basically at this point I dont care who did or didnt do this. All I'm trying to establish is the possibilty/ease of either spoofing the IP in the subscription request, or the possibility/ease of hacking my machine (and yes, I agree, I've got no security set up). Basically if I can show that it is possible and fairly easy to make it LOOK like I did this, I stand a good chance of getting my name cleared. I've got plenty of people here at the university that will vouch for me when I say I didn't do this. So it will all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might have happened. Brian _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Tue Feb 18 23:40:07 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:40:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean recieved the email > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT and they emailed > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it was set up. I > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I left myself with > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the newsletter people > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter people responded with > one line: my IP address. > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a line in there that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip address between the brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu [other hostname or ip address] > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might have happened. If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm talking about. There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. I'm sure we'd be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 00:26:48 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Stig Joergensen) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:26:48 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed Message-ID: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B475@exchange.clearsky.dk> Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... start telnet in dos prompt : "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus) the server will answer your request with something like (in the example this is a:) "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" now type ( following is this t:) "HELO" a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk t: DATA a: 354 Start mail input; end with . t: this is a test mail t: . a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for delivery and woila - the mail is delivered t: QUIT for ending the session...... as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even without a mailing program.... be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are running "MS exchange server 2k" if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they will see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) /Stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > recieved the email > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > and they emailed > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > was set up. I > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > left myself with > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > newsletter people > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > people responded with > > one line: my IP address. > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > line in there > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > address between the > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > [other hostname or ip address] > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > have happened. > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > talking about. > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > I'm sure we'd > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > g. > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 01:44:15 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:44:15 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed In-Reply-To: <1463224A44C62243973321FB317A34E1B475@exchange.clearsky.dk> Message-ID: <000601c2d7b8$6ab3d580$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one) but maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online all the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x range. We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to play online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem to be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get around this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a base station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way, someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards to pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a champ (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with this working. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... start telnet in dos prompt : "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus) the server will answer your request with something like (in the example this is a:) "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" now type ( following is this t:) "HELO" a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk t: DATA a: 354 Start mail input; end with . t: this is a test mail t: . a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for delivery and woila - the mail is delivered t: QUIT for ending the session...... as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even without a mailing program.... be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are running "MS exchange server 2k" if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they will see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) /Stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > recieved the email > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > and they emailed > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > was set up. I > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > left myself with > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > newsletter people > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > people responded with > > one line: my IP address. > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > line in there > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > address between the > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > [other hostname or ip address] > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > have happened. > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > talking about. > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > I'm sure we'd > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > g. > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 01:54:17 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Chris Woodul) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:54:17 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed References: <000601c2d7b8$6ab3d580$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <000501c2d7b9$d006bfa0$10997444@cm29940a> Hi Doc Fagner! You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. I have pictures on my pc. I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) Cheers, Chris PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one) but > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online all > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x range. > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to play > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem to > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get around > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a base > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way, > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards to > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a champ > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with > this working. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus) > > the server will answer your request with something like (in the example > this is a:) > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > now type ( following is this t:) > > "HELO" > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > t: DATA > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > t: this is a test mail > t: . > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for > delivery > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > t: QUIT > > for ending the session...... > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even > without a mailing program.... > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they will > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) > > /Stig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > recieved the email > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > > and they emailed > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > > was set up. I > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > left myself with > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > > newsletter people > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > people responded with > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > line in there > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > address between the > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > have happened. > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > talking about. > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > I'm sure we'd > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > g. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 01:56:41 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Chris Woodul) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:56:41 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed References: <000601c2d7b8$6ab3d580$1401a8c0@theiceberg> <000501c2d7b9$d006bfa0$10997444@cm29940a> Message-ID: <000b01c2d7ba$25995590$10997444@cm29940a> By the way Brian, I am sorry to hear you got framed. That sucks. I would be happy to be a character witness if that would do anything. Keep your chin up! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Woodul" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > Hi Doc Fagner! > > You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just > bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true > F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. > I have pictures on my pc. > I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering > crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) > > Cheers, > > Chris > > PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Fagner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one) > but > > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to > > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online > all > > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I > > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's > > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x range. > > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to > play > > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem to > > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get > around > > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a > base > > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. > > > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way, > > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards to > > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco > > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a champ > > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with > > this working. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] > > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus) > > > > the server will answer your request with something like (in the example > > this is a:) > > > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > > > now type ( following is this t:) > > > > "HELO" > > > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > > t: DATA > > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > > t: this is a test mail > > t: . > > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for > > delivery > > > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > > > t: QUIT > > > > for ending the session...... > > > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even > > without a mailing program.... > > > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the > > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are > > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get > > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms > > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they will > > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) > > > > /Stig > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > > recieved the email > > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > > > and they emailed > > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > > > was set up. I > > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > > left myself with > > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > > > newsletter people > > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > > people responded with > > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > > line in there > > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > > address between the > > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some > > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > > have happened. > > > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > > talking about. > > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > > I'm sure we'd > > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > simpits-chat mailing list > > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 02:19:47 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:19:47 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit References: <000501c2d7b9$d006bfa0$10997444@cm29940a> Message-ID: <3E52E9C3.000009.02428@mike> --Boundary_(ID_CWtD/EUKBinFiY3w+KsXTw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_w83FsjSu1hAkfB7WHrVYMQ)" --Boundary_(ID_w83FsjSu1hAkfB7WHrVYMQ) Content-type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering crew? lets hear it :) Mike Williams -------Original Message------- From: simpits-chat@simpits.org Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed Hi Doc Fagner! You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. I have pictures on my pc. I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) Cheers, Chris PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one) but > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online all > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x range. > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to play > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem to > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get around > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a base > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way, > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards to > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a champ > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with > this working. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus) > > the server will answer your request with something like (in the example > this is a:) > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > now type ( following is this t:) > > "HELO" > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > t: DATA > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > t: this is a test mail > t: . > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for > delivery > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > t: QUIT > > for ending the session...... > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even > without a mailing program.... > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they will > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) > > /Stig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > recieved the email > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > > and they emailed > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > > was set up. I > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > left myself with > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > > newsletter people > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > people responded with > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > line in there > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > address between the > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > have happened. > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > talking about. > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > I'm sure we'd > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > g. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat . --Boundary_(ID_w83FsjSu1hAkfB7WHrVYMQ) Content-type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering crew?

lets hear it :)

Mike Williams

-------Original Message-------

From: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Date: Tuesday, Feb= ruary 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Subject: Re: [simp= its-chat] Framed

Hi Doc Fagner!

You need to come by and see the pi= ctures of the new F-16C cockpit I just
bought. Its awesome. I also bou= ght another real F-16 ACES II and a true
F-15 ACES II. I will be shipp= ing it in the next week or two.
I have pictures on my pc.
I love be= ing able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering
crowd = doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; )

Cheers,

Chris
=
PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats!<= BR>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
T= o: <simpits-chat@simpits.o= rg>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: [s= impits-chat] Framed

> Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (= sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one)
but
> maybe you can help me.= I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to
> Spain. He used= to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online
all
> t= he time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I
= > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.= xxx.xx
> of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine= =2E
>
> Now I have the static ip address and can hook into th= e Jetnet (Falcon's
> online game server) but he has a private IP ad= dress in the 10.2.x.x range.
> We cannot get him to hook into any s= erver (or hook into my machine) to
play
> online. We have opened= the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem to
> be behind a m= appable IP address, only a private one. How can we get
around
> = this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have abase
> station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butt= er.
>
> Any help from you or anyone would be greatly apprecia= ted. By the way,
> someone either in the chat or Tech group recomme= nded using 2 soundcards to
> pipe the sound effects through one and= the voice comms of roger wilco
> through the other. Well, I can te= ll you first hand it works like a champ
> (I'm using XP pro). I cou= ldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with
> this working.
&= gt;
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = simpits-chat-admin@simp= its.org
= [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org]
> On Behalf Of Stig Joe= rgensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM
> To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
&= gt; Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed
>
> Here is an example= of using telnet as a mail program....
>
> start telnet in do= s prompt :
>
> "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25"
>
>= (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus)<= BR>>
> the server will answer your request with something like (= in the example
> this is a:)
>
> "220 ESMTP ready at We= d, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100"
>
> now type ( following is th= is t:)
>
> "HELO"
>
> a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hel= lo [192.168.2.18]
> t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clears= ky.dk....Sender OK
> t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> t: DATA
> a: 354 Start mail input; end with <CRLF>= =2E<CRLF>
> t: this is a test mail
> t: .
> a: 25= 0 2.6.0 <Ks6qi= sdBzPO0000000b@mail.clearsky.dk> Queued mail for
> delivery<= BR>>
> and woila - the mail is delivered
>
> t: QUIT=
>
> for ending the session......
>
> as you can = see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even
> with= out a mailing program....
>
> be aware of the above should wo= rk with all mailserver though the
> response from the mail server m= ight not the same, unless they are
> running "MS exchange server 2k= "
>
> if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT= department get
> the firewall logs (but be careful here - you migh= t open a can of worms
> as they will be searching for your ip addre= ss, and in doing so they will
> see what else you have done on the = "net", such as downloading mp3s)
>
> /Stig
>
>>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: = Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasof= t.com]
> > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40
> > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed
> >
> >> > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean
&g= t; > recieved the email
> > > asking to confirm for the ma= iling list, she sent that to IT
> > and they emailed
> >= ; > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it
>= > was set up. I
> > > gave the wrong copy of my informati= on to my Commander, I
> > left myself with
> > > the= copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the
> > newsl= etter people
> > > who subscribed that email address, and the= newsletter
> > people responded with
> > > one line= : my IP address.
> > >
> > I would still want to see= the full headers. If there is a
> > line in there
> > = that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip
> > addres= s between the
> > brackets is the real address. It could also re= ad: your.hostname.edu
> > [other hostname or ip address]
>= >
> > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my= hearing with some
> > > semi-professional oppinions backing = me up on what might
> > have happened.
> >
> >= If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm
> > t= alking about.
> > There are others on this list that are equally= as skilled.
> > I'm sure we'd
> > be happy to eat 'em = alive for you. :)
> >
> > g.
> >
> ><= BR>> > _______________________________________________
> >= simpits-chat mailing list
> > simpits-chat@simpits.org
> > http://www.simpits.org/mailm= an/listinfo/simpits-chat
> >
> _______________________= ________________________
> simpits-chat mailing list
> simpits-chat@simpits.org
>= ; http:/= /www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>
>
>= ; _______________________________________________
> simpits-chat ma= iling list
> simpits-ch= at@simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>

_______________________________________________
= simpits-chat mailing list
= simpits-chat@simpits.org
http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-c= hat
.

= --Boundary_(ID_w83FsjSu1hAkfB7WHrVYMQ)-- --Boundary_(ID_CWtD/EUKBinFiY3w+KsXTw) Content-id: <4259AD25-A89B-4E0F-AAD4-DF8CC29DC7D6> Content-type: image/gif; name=sg-ffff.gif Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=sg-ffff.gif R0lGODlheQBAAPECAAAAAP//AL29vQAAACH5BAEAAAIALAAAAAB5AEAAAAL+lI8Wye0Po5y0uoDF UnjbD4aitXRapozqypKlh3LtTKtd7J1IXPf+xwv+hsSISXbIFZfLYE7JjPZ4mp30+nNasdwWVVna dscTKsNMThvV7Bm0DY/L5/S6/T464vfvPRld5Qe3AdUnmFZI8WR4aHOmmATY6ChmBIPCOFmR2AB2 qVnDafkE6raVmfJZyqKKWkW46hWJBHHzGrvSihp24op7kRRoCCPs+9spA9t5SWhMKaesfKabEjn8 Mv04hy18QYz0uYgt3ZvgLMXbbd6MiQnO8cLdWhmnd2u9c+OebqtT3avvGx0zkrw1K2dOkb47fc4d ewgxosSJFCtavIgxo8YcjRw7evwIMqTIkSRLmjyJMqXKlSxbunwJM6acAgA7 --Boundary_(ID_CWtD/EUKBinFiY3w+KsXTw)-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 02:31:18 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Mike Williams) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:31:18 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed References: Message-ID: <3E52EC76.00000C.02428@mike> --Boundary_(ID_hVPvtc8X1HEWxvrmXwvc3w) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KxPn9cW8zSzXkZLj5c1Qaw)" --Boundary_(ID_KxPn9cW8zSzXkZLj5c1Qaw) Content-type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The culprit could have done more damage to her in-box by putting her email address out on usenet for a spambot snack, I would suggest doing a little research on the net on forging headers, there is lots of info out there, use some of that for your defense. Mike Williams -------Original Message------- From: simpits-chat@simpits.org Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:32:21 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed Brian, send me the message header so I can take a look at it. Yes, it's easy to spoof an ip address. It's done all the time in denial of service attacks. Since Win98 has no security to speak of, anyone with physical access to the machine could comprimise it. In my opinion, trying to accuse you of "computer misuse/fraud" for subscribing someone to a mailing list is absurd. Also, every mailing list that I'm on required me to submit a confirmation email to verify the authenticity of the subscription request. Tell me what the list address is and I'll verify whether or not this "raunch" list has that policy. If they do, someone with access to the Dean of Students' email account subscribed (her) to the list. g. On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Hey Guys, > > This is way OT, even for the chat list, but I need some serious advice here. > > Thursday the school shut off my network connection, and told me to go to the > deans office. I thought I had been busted for copyright violations (mp3s), > but today I got my official letter stating the charges: > > Sexual harassment and computer misuse/fraud. > > Talk about a wake-up call!!! Anyway, I had a meeting today at 2:30 to > discuss the sitation, where they provided me with the evidence against me. > Someone subscribed the dean of students to a raunchy mailing list, and they > traced the subscribing command back to my IP. So here's my question: > > How possible/likely would it be for someone to either spoof my IP in the > subscription request, or hack my computer and make the subscription from > there? I was running '98 at the time (I dual boot), but I do not have > outlook or any other mail programs installed. So, what's your technical > oppinion? I know I didn't do it, but I'm hoping to come up with some > evidence to support my theories. My hearing is 2:30 on Thursday (EST). > > All help appreciated! > Brian > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat . --Boundary_(ID_KxPn9cW8zSzXkZLj5c1Qaw) Content-type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

The culprit could have done more damage to her in-box by puttin= g her email address out on usenet for a spambot snack, I would suggest do= ing a little research

on the net on forging headers, there is lots of info out there,= use some of that for your defense.

Mike Williams

-------Original Message-------

From: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Date: Tuesday, Feb= ruary 18, 2003 4:32:21 PM

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Subject: Re: [simp= its-chat] Framed

Brian, send me the message header so I can take a look a= t it. Yes, it's
easy to spoof an ip address. It's done all the time in= denial of service
attacks.

Since Win98 has no security to spea= k of, anyone with physical access to
the machine could comprimise it.<= BR>
In my opinion, trying to accuse you of "computer misuse/fraud" for=
subscribing someone to a mailing list is absurd. Also, every mailing = list
that I'm on required me to submit a confirmation email to verify = the
authenticity of the subscription request. Tell me what the list ad= dress
is and I'll verify whether or not this "raunch" list has that po= licy. If
they do, someone with access to the Dean of Students' email a= ccount
subscribed (her) to the list.

g.

On Tue, 18 F= eb 2003, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> This = is way OT, even for the chat list, but I need some serious advice here.>
> Thursday the school shut off my network connection, and to= ld me to go to the
> deans office. I thought I had been busted for = copyright violations (mp3s),
> but today I got my official letter s= tating the charges:
>
> Sexual harassment and computer misuse= /fraud.
>
> Talk about a wake-up call!!! Anyway, I had a meet= ing today at 2:30 to
> discuss the sitation, where they provided me= with the evidence against me.
> Someone subscribed the dean of stu= dents to a raunchy mailing list, and they
> traced the subscribing = command back to my IP. So here's my question:
>
> How possibl= e/likely would it be for someone to either spoof my IP in the
> sub= scription request, or hack my computer and make the subscription from
= > there? I was running '98 at the time (I dual boot), but I do not hav= e
> outlook or any other mail programs installed. So, what's your t= echnical
> oppinion? I know I didn't do it, but I'm hoping to come = up with some
> evidence to support my theories. My hearing is 2:30 = on Thursday (EST).
>
> All help appreciated!
> Brian>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________= ______________________________________
> Help STOP SPAM with the ne= w MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
> http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail=
>
> _______________________________________________
> = simpits-chat mailing list
> simpits-chat@simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo= /simpits-chat
>

________________________________________= _______
simpits-chat mailing list
simpits-chat@simpits.org
http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinf= o/simpits-chat
.

= --Boundary_(ID_KxPn9cW8zSzXkZLj5c1Qaw)-- --Boundary_(ID_hVPvtc8X1HEWxvrmXwvc3w) Content-id: Content-type: image/gif; name=sg-0.gif Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=sg-0.gif R0lGODlheQBAAPABAAAAAL29vSH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAB5AEAAAAL+jI8Gye0Po5y0OoDDUnjbD4ai tXRapozqypKlh3LtTKtd7J1IXPf+xwv+hsSISXbIFZfLYE7JjPZ4mp30+nNasdwWVVnadscTKsNM ThvV7Bm0DY/L5/S6/T464vfvPRld5Qe3AdUnmFZI8WR4aHOmmATY6ChmBIPCOFmR2AB2qVnDafkE 6raVmfJZyqKKWkW46hWJBHHzGrvSihp24op7kRRoCCPs+9spA9t5SWhMKaesfKabEjn8Mv04hy18 QYz0uYgt3ZvgLMXbbd6MiQnO8cLdWhmnd2u9c+OebqtT3avvGx0zkrw1K2dOkb47fc4dewgxosSJ FCtavIgxo8YcjRw7evwIMqTIkSRLmjyJMqXKlSxbunwJM6acAgA7 --Boundary_(ID_hVPvtc8X1HEWxvrmXwvc3w)-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 02:33:26 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Chris Woodul) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:33:26 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit References: <000501c2d7b9$d006bfa0$10997444@cm29940a> <3E52E9C3.000009.02428@mike> Message-ID: <000c01c2d7bf$481d4b80$10997444@cm29940a> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2D78C.FD582200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01C2D78C.FD582200" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C2D78C.FD582200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LOL<=20 HI Mike, I knew I would get a rise out of someone with the LED comment! = ; ) I am a solderer too, but I require a bit of fun in my simulator = discussions. I will put the pics up when it gets here cuase I want to = take my own clean pics of the trainer. The Cockpit is complete and has = all interior components. I am going to put a new Wide angle LANTRIN HUD = into it, along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A few other parts = I will trade out as needed. Right now all the warning lights function, = and I will add the Floods and other various systems for realism. This = cockpit will be a sister to my F-111 cockpits. I am also getting another = one which has a canopy ( C model too), and possibly an A model too. I am = going to give the A model cockpit to Marc Wiegart. I dont know how to do photo uploads anyway, Ill have to have Doc Fagner = do it for me. Take care, Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Williams=20 To: simpits-chat@simpits.org ; simpits-chat@simpits.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering crew? lets hear it :)=20 =20 Mike Williams -------Original Message------- From: simpits-chat@simpits.org Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed Hi Doc Fagner! You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C = cockpit I just bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and = a true F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. I have pictures on my pc. I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED = soldering crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) Cheers, Chris PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the = chats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on = this one) but > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just = recently moved to > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon = 4 online all > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a = router and I > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip = xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet = (Falcon's > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the = 10.2.x.x range. > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my = machine) to play > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he = doesn't seem to > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can = we get around > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and = I have a base > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By = the way, > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 = soundcards to > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of = roger wilco > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works = like a champ > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any = conflicts with > this working. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver = on campus) > > the server will answer your request with something like (in = the example > this is a:) > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > now type ( following is this t:) > > "HELO" > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > t: DATA > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > t: this is a test mail > t: . > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued = mail for > delivery > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > t: QUIT > > for ending the session...... > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a = mail - even > without a mailing program.... > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though = the > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they = are > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT = department get > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can = of worms > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so = they will > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading = mp3s) > > /Stig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > recieved the email > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to = IT > > and they emailed > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > > was set up. I > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > left myself with > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > > newsletter people > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > people responded with > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > line in there > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > address between the > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: = your.hostname.edu > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing = with some > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > have happened. > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > talking about. > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > I'm sure we'd > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > g. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat . =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C2D78C.FD582200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LOL<

HI Mike, I knew I would get a rise out of someone = with the LED=20 comment! ; )

I am a solderer too, but I require a bit of fun in = my=20 simulator discussions. I will put the pics up when it gets here cuase I = want to=20 take my own clean pics of the trainer. The Cockpit is complete and has = all=20 interior components. I am going to put a new Wide angle LANTRIN HUD into = it,=20 along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A few other parts I will = trade out=20 as needed. Right now all the warning lights function, and I will add the = Floods=20 and other various systems for realism. This cockpit will be a sister to = my F-111=20 cockpits. I am also getting another one which has a canopy ( C model = too), and=20 possibly an A model too. I am going to give the A model cockpit to Marc=20 Wiegart.

I dont know how to do photo uploads anyway, Ill have = to have=20 Doc Fagner do it for me.

Take care,

Chris

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Mike Williams

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org = ; simpits-chat@simpits.org =

Sent: Tuesday, February 18, = 2003 8:19=20 PM

Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's = pit

Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering=20 crew?

lets hear it :)

Mike Williams

-------Original=20 Message-------

From: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Date: = Tuesday,=20 February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Subject: = Re:=20 [simpits-chat] Framed

Hi Doc Fagner!

You need to come by and = see the=20 pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just
bought. Its awesome. = I also=20 bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true
F-15 ACES II. I = will be=20 shipping it in the next week or two.
I have pictures on my = pc.
I=20 love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED=20 soldering
crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ;=20 )

Cheers,

Chris

PS Hi to all the other off = topic=20 freaks out there. I miss the chats!

----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
= To:=20 <simpits-chat@simpits.org>=
Sent:=20 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: = [simpits-chat]=20 Framed

> Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic = (sorry Brian,=20 I'm stuck on this one)
but
> maybe you can help me. I = have a=20 buddy of mine who just recently moved to
> Spain. He used = to live=20 in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online
all
> = the time.=20 He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and = I
>=20 would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip=20 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
> of my cable modem's IP address and we = could play=20 just fine.
>
> Now I have the static ip address and = can hook=20 into the Jetnet (Falcon's
> online game server) but he has = a=20 private IP address in the 10.2.x.x range.
> We cannot get = him to=20 hook into any server (or hook into my machine) = to
play
>=20 online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he = doesn't seem=20 to
> be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. = How can=20 we get
around
> this so he can play online? He is able = to use=20 Roger Wilco and I have a
base
> station set up and we = can talk=20 to each other smooth as butter.
>
> Any help from = you or=20 anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way,
> someone = either=20 in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards = to
> pipe=20 the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger = wilco
>=20 through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like = a=20 champ
> (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't = have any=20 conflicts with
> this working.
>
> = Jay
>
>=20 -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits= .org
[mailto:simpits-ch= at-admin@simpits.org]
>=20 On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, = 2003=20 6:27 PM
> To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed
>
> Here is an = example of=20 using telnet as a mail program....
>
> start telnet = in dos=20 prompt :
>
> "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 = 25"
>
>=20 (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on=20 campus)
>
> the server will answer your request with = something like (in the example
> this is = a:)
>
> "220=20 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100"
>
> = now type=20 ( following is this t:)
>
> "HELO"
>
> = a: 250=20 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18]
> t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
>=20 a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@cle= arsky.dk....Sender=20 OK
> t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
>=20 a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
>=20 t: DATA
> a: 354 Start mail input; end with=20 <CRLF>.<CRLF>
> t: this is a test mail
> = t:=20 .
> a: 250 2.6.0 <Ks6qisdBzPO0000000b@= mail.clearsky.dk>=20 Queued mail for
> delivery
>
> and woila - the = mail is=20 delivered
>
> t: QUIT
>
> for ending the = session......
>
> as you can see from this example = it is=20 quite easy to send a mail - even
> without a mailing=20 program....
>
> be aware of the above should work = with all=20 mailserver though the
> response from the mail server = might not=20 the same, unless they are
> running "MS exchange server=20 2k"
>
> if you can use this example, go ahead - and = from the=20 IT department get
> the firewall logs (but be careful here = - you=20 might open a can of worms
> as they will be searching for = your ip=20 address, and in doing so they will
> see what else you = have done=20 on the "net", such as downloading mp3s)
>
>=20 /Stig
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original = Message-----
> > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]
&g= t;=20 > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40
> > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed
> >
>=20 >
> > > Subscribe conformation was in place, = Gene. The=20 Dean
> > recieved the email
> > > asking to = confirm=20 for the mailing list, she sent that to IT
> > and they=20 emailed
> > > the newsletter people. At least, I = think=20 that's the way it
> > was set up. I
> > > = gave the=20 wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I
> > = left myself=20 with
> > > the copy with less info, I think. = Basically, IT=20 asked the
> > newsletter people
> > > who=20 subscribed that email address, and the newsletter
> > = people=20 responded with
> > > one line: my IP = address.
> >=20 >
> > I would still want to see the full headers. If = there=20 is a
> > line in there
> > that says: = your.ip.address=20 [other.ip.address], the ip
> > address between = the
> >=20 brackets is the real address. It could also read:=20 your.hostname.edu
> > [other hostname or ip = address]
>=20 >
> > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to = go to my=20 hearing with some
> > > semi-professional oppinions = backing=20 me up on what might
> > have happened.
> = >
>=20 > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what = I'm
>=20 > talking about.
> > There are others on this list = that are=20 equally as skilled.
> > I'm sure we'd
> > be = happy to=20 eat 'em alive for you. :)
> >
> > g.
>=20 >
> >
> >=20 _______________________________________________
> >=20 simpits-chat mailing list
> > simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 > http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>=20 >
> = _______________________________________________
>=20 simpits-chat mailing list
> simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>
>
>=20 _______________________________________________
> = simpits-chat=20 mailing list
> simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>

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------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C2D78C.FD582200-- ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2D78C.FD582200 Content-Type: image/gif; name="sg-ffff.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <000701c2d7bf$47eac9d0$10997444@cm29940a> R0lGODlheQBAAPECAAAAAP//AL29vQAAACH5BAEAAAIALAAAAAB5AEAAAAL+lI8Wye0Po5y0uoDF UnjbD4aitXRapozqypKlh3LtTKtd7J1IXPf+xwv+hsSISXbIFZfLYE7JjPZ4mp30+nNasdwWVVna dscTKsNMThvV7Bm0DY/L5/S6/T464vfvPRld5Qe3AdUnmFZI8WR4aHOmmATY6ChmBIPCOFmR2AB2 qVnDafkE6raVmfJZyqKKWkW46hWJBHHzGrvSihp24op7kRRoCCPs+9spA9t5SWhMKaesfKabEjn8 Mv04hy18QYz0uYgt3ZvgLMXbbd6MiQnO8cLdWhmnd2u9c+OebqtT3avvGx0zkrw1K2dOkb47fc4d ewgxosSJFCtavIgxo8YcjRw7evwIMqTIkSRLmjyJMqXKlSxbunwJM6acAgA7 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2D78C.FD582200-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 03:44:01 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:44:01 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed In-Reply-To: <000501c2d7b9$d006bfa0$10997444@cm29940a> Message-ID: <000f01c2d7c9$29306130$1401a8c0@theiceberg> You suck!! How did you get a pit AND a seat? I want one damnit!! I am working all this week and weekend. I'm not off until Monday and Tuesday of next week, I will try and give you a call Monday and try to get out there after you get the seat so I can see them both on one trip. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Chris Woodul Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:54 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed Hi Doc Fagner! You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. I have pictures on my pc. I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) Cheers, Chris PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one) but > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online all > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x range. > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to play > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem to > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get around > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a base > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way, > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards to > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a champ > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with > this working. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus) > > the server will answer your request with something like (in the example > this is a:) > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > now type ( following is this t:) > > "HELO" > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > t: DATA > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > t: this is a test mail > t: . > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for > delivery > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > t: QUIT > > for ending the session...... > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even > without a mailing program.... > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they will > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) > > /Stig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > recieved the email > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > > and they emailed > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > > was set up. I > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > left myself with > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > > newsletter people > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > people responded with > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > line in there > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > address between the > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > have happened. > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > talking about. > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > I'm sure we'd > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > g. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 03:54:43 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Chris Woodul) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:54:43 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Framed References: <000f01c2d7c9$29306130$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <001101c2d7ca$a2fb2990$10997444@cm29940a> Ok Doc, Sounds cool. I already had a real F-16 ACES II< but this one is Mint! The cockpit also has its own seat, albiet its a trainer replica. I will either soup it up, or replace it with one of our High Fidelity Replicas. The New ACES II will be displayed out of the cockpit on stand ( set of rails) We are going to have the cockpit in the display area at work. Come by and see me when you get some time. I do want to order some of those rudder pedal units from your buddies! Cheers, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > You suck!! How did you get a pit AND a seat? I want one damnit!! I am > working all this week and weekend. I'm not off until Monday and Tuesday of > next week, I will try and give you a call Monday and try to get out there > after you get the seat so I can see them both on one trip. > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Chris Woodul > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:54 PM > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > Hi Doc Fagner! > > You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just > bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true > F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. > I have pictures on my pc. > I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering > crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) > > Cheers, > > Chris > > PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Fagner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one) > but > > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to > > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online > all > > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I > > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's > > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x range. > > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to > play > > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem to > > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get > around > > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a > base > > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. > > > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way, > > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards to > > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco > > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a champ > > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with > > this working. > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] > > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus) > > > > the server will answer your request with something like (in the example > > this is a:) > > > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > > > now type ( following is this t:) > > > > "HELO" > > > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > > t: DATA > > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > > t: this is a test mail > > t: . > > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for > > delivery > > > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > > > t: QUIT > > > > for ending the session...... > > > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even > > without a mailing program.... > > > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the > > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are > > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get > > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms > > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they will > > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) > > > > /Stig > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > > recieved the email > > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > > > and they emailed > > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > > > was set up. I > > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > > left myself with > > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > > > newsletter people > > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > > people responded with > > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > > line in there > > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > > address between the > > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some > > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > > have happened. > > > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > > talking about. > > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > > I'm sure we'd > > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > simpits-chat mailing list > > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 03:54:52 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:54:52 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit In-Reply-To: <000c01c2d7bf$481d4b80$10997444@cm29940a> Message-ID: <001001c2d7ca$ab31f9e0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2D798.609789E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0012_01C2D798.609789E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C2D798.609789E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can upload your pics, no prob. Chris. Can't wait to see it in person. = I will bring my Digital camera and upload pics to the simpits site when I = get home from seeing the pit. I want to come out on a day that I can take = some detailed measurements for my pit building. I would like to dissect = apart every piece that you'll let me. As I type right now, my wife is talking = to a girl she works with whose husband in some sort of project manager/big = wig type who works for Lockheed and oversees guess which program??? You got = it, the F-16. So, she is setting up a date we can all go out to dinner and = I am going to try to do some networking here and see what if anything I can = buy, beg, steal or batter for. I hope I can use you, Chris, and hopefully = meet a new friend and compile some data and measurements for us Viper drivers = out there. Guess I am going to have to set up a web site so I can deliver = this info if and when I get it. Boy, I'm getting excited just thinking about = it, heheheheh. =20 Jay =20 -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Chris Woodul Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:33 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit =20 LOL<=20 HI Mike, I knew I would get a rise out of someone with the LED comment! = ; ) I am a solderer too, but I require a bit of fun in my simulator = discussions. I will put the pics up when it gets here cuase I want to take my own = clean pics of the trainer. The Cockpit is complete and has all interior components. I am going to put a new Wide angle LANTRIN HUD into it, = along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A few other parts I will trade = out as needed. Right now all the warning lights function, and I will add the Floods and other various systems for realism. This cockpit will be a = sister to my F-111 cockpits. I am also getting another one which has a canopy ( = C model too), and possibly an A model too. I am going to give the A model cockpit to Marc Wiegart. I dont know how to do photo uploads anyway, Ill have to have Doc Fagner = do it for me. =20 Take care, =20 Chris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Williams=20 To: simpits-chat@simpits.org ; simpits-chat@simpits.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit =20 Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering crew? lets hear it :)=20 =20 =20 Mike Williams -------Original Message------- =20 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed =20 Hi Doc Fagner! You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. I have pictures on my pc. I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) Cheers, Chris PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this = one) but > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved = to > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online all > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip = xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet = (Falcon's > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x = range. > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to play > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem = to > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get around > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a base > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way, > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 = soundcards to > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a = champ > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts = with > this working. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org ] > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on = campus) > > the server will answer your request with something like (in the = example > this is a:) > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > now type ( following is this t:) > > "HELO" > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > t: DATA > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > t: this is a test mail > t: . > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for > delivery > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > t: QUIT > > for ending the session...... > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - = even > without a mailing program.... > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they = will > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) > > /Stig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > recieved the email > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > > and they emailed > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > > was set up. I > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > left myself with > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > > newsletter people > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > people responded with > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > line in there > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > address between the > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with = some > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > have happened. > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > talking about. > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > I'm sure we'd > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > g. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat .=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C2D798.609789E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can upload your pics, no prob. Chris. Can’t wait to see it in person. I will bring my Digital camera and upload pics to the simpits site when I get home from = seeing the pit. I want to come out on a day that I can take some = detailed measurements for my pit building. I would like to dissect apart = every piece that you’ll let me. As I type right now, my wife is = talking to a girl she works with whose husband in some sort of project = manager/big wig type who works for Lockheed and oversees guess which program??? = You got it, the F-16. So, she is setting up a date we can all go out to = dinner and I am going to try to do some networking here and see what if = anything I can buy, beg, steal or batter for. I hope I can use you, Chris, and = hopefully meet a new friend and compile some data and measurements for us Viper = drivers out there. Guess I am going to have to set up a web site so I can = deliver this info if and when I get it. Boy, I’m getting excited = just thinking about it, heheheheh.

Jay

-----Original = Message-----
From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] = On Behalf Of Chris Woodul
Sent: Tuesday, February = 18, 2003 8:33 PM
To: = simpits-chat@simpits.org
Subject: Re: = [simpits-chat] Chris's pit

LOL<

HI Mike, I knew I would get = a rise out of someone with the LED comment! ; )

I am a solderer too, but I = require a bit of fun in my simulator discussions. I will put the pics up when it = gets here cuase I want to take my own clean pics of the trainer. The Cockpit = is complete and has all interior components. I am going to put a new Wide = angle LANTRIN HUD into it, along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A few = other parts I will trade out as needed. Right now all the warning lights = function, and I will add the Floods and other various systems for realism. This = cockpit will be a sister to my F-111 cockpits. I am also getting another one = which has a canopy ( C model too), and possibly an A model too. I am going to give = the A model cockpit to Marc Wiegart.

I dont know how to do photo = uploads anyway, Ill have to have Doc Fagner do it for me.

Take = care,

Chris

----- Original Message = -----

From: Mike Williams

To:<= /font> simpits-chat@simpits.org ; simpits-chat@simpits.org

Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM

Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit

Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED = soldering crew?

lets hear it :)

Mike Williams

-------Original = Message-------

From:= simpits-chat@simpits.org

Date:= Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed

Hi Doc Fagner!

You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I = just
bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a = true
F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two.
I have pictures on my pc.
I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED = soldering
crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; )

Cheers,

Chris

PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the = chats!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
= To: <simpits-chat@simpits.org>=
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed

> Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on = this one)
but
> maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently = moved to
> Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 = online
all
> the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router = and I
> would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
> of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine.
>
> Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet = (Falcon's
> online game server) but he has a private IP address in the = 10.2.x.x range.
> We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my = machine) to
play
> online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't = seem to
> be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we = get
around
> this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I = have a
base
> station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as = butter.
>
> Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the = way,
> someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 = soundcards to
> pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger = wilco
> through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like = a champ
> (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any = conflicts with
> this working.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits= .org
[mailto:simpits-= chat-admin@simpits.org]
> On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM
> To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed
>
> Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program....
>
> start telnet in dos prompt :
>
> "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25"
>
> (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on = campus)
>
> the server will answer your request with something like (in the = example
> this is a:)
>
> "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 = +0100"
>
> now type ( following is this t:)
>
> "HELO"
>
> a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18]
> t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@cle= arsky.dk....Sender OK
> t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> t: DATA
> a: 354 Start mail input; end with <CRLF>.<CRLF>
> t: this is a test mail
> t: .
> a: 250 2.6.0 <Ks6qisdBzPO0000000b@= mail.clearsky.dk> Queued mail for
> delivery
>
> and woila - the mail is delivered
>
> t: QUIT
>
> for ending the session......
>
> as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail = - even
> without a mailing program....
>
> be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though = the
> response from the mail server might not the same, unless they = are
> running "MS exchange server 2k"
>
> if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT = department get
> the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of = worms
> as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so = they will
> see what else you have done on the "net", such as = downloading mp3s)
>
> /Stig
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]
> > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40
> > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed
> >
> >
> > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean
> > recieved the email
> > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that = to IT
> > and they emailed
> > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way = it
> > was set up. I
> > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, = I
> > left myself with
> > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked = the
> > newsletter people
> > > who subscribed that email address, and the = newsletter
> > people responded with
> > > one line: my IP address.
> > >
> > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is = a
> > line in there
> > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip
> > address between the
> > brackets is the real address. It could also read: = your.hostname.edu
> > [other hostname or ip address]
> >
> > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my = hearing with some
> > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what = might
> > have happened.
> >
> > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what = I'm
> > talking about.
> > There are others on this list that are equally as = skilled.
> > I'm sure we'd
> > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :)
> >
> > g.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > simpits-chat mailing list
> > simpits-chat@simpits.org
= > > http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
> >
> _______________________________________________
> simpits-chat mailing list
> simpits-chat@simpits.org
= > http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> simpits-chat mailing list
> simpits-chat@simpits.org
= > http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>

_______________________________________________
simpits-chat mailing list
simpits-chat@simpits.org
= http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
.

------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C2D798.609789E0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2D798.609789E0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="image001.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: R0lGODlheQBAAPECAAAAAP//AL29vQAAACH5BAEAAAIALAAAAAB5AEAAAAL+lI8Wye0Po5y0uoDF UnjbD4aitXRapozqypKlh3LtTKtd7J1IXPf+xwv+hsSISXbIFZfLYE7JjPZ4mp30+nNasdwWVVna dscTKsNMThvV7Bm0DY/L5/S6/T464vfvPRld5Qe3AdUnmFZI8WR4aHOmmATY6ChmBIPCOFmR2AB2 qVnDafkE6raVmfJZyqKKWkW46hWJBHHzGrvSihp24op7kRRoCCPs+9spA9t5SWhMKaesfKabEjn8 Mv04hy18QYz0uYgt3ZvgLMXbbd6MiQnO8cLdWhmnd2u9c+OebqtT3avvGx0zkrw1K2dOkb47fc4d ewgxosSJFCtavIgxo8YcjRw7evwIMqTIkSRLmjyJMqXKlSxbunwJM6acAgA7 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2D798.609789E0-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 04:00:49 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Chris Woodul) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:00:49 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit References: <001001c2d7ca$ab31f9e0$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Message-ID: <000b01c2d7cb$7d064110$10997444@cm29940a> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D799.323DE340 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C2D799.323DE340" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C2D799.323DE340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay,=20 You can measure off anything in it you want. I have given parts and info = to Martin "Pegasus" for just the same reasons. One of the main reasons I = got this thing is to be able to use the laser scanner on it to glean = info right out of it into CAD/CAM. It will be a timesaver despite the = fact I have authentic technical data on the crewstation on the -16.=20 We are making a JSF cockpit right now for LM, for thier second full size = mock up which will be at Paris this year. Its a really busy time this year,...would like to have some more months = in this first quarter. That would make life nice! Take it easy, Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joseph Fagner=20 To: simpits-chat@simpits.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit I can upload your pics, no prob. Chris. Can't wait to see it in = person. I will bring my Digital camera and upload pics to the simpits = site when I get home from seeing the pit. I want to come out on a day = that I can take some detailed measurements for my pit building. I would = like to dissect apart every piece that you'll let me. As I type right = now, my wife is talking to a girl she works with whose husband in some = sort of project manager/big wig type who works for Lockheed and oversees = guess which program??? You got it, the F-16. So, she is setting up a = date we can all go out to dinner and I am going to try to do some = networking here and see what if anything I can buy, beg, steal or batter = for. I hope I can use you, Chris, and hopefully meet a new friend and = compile some data and measurements for us Viper drivers out there. = Guess I am going to have to set up a web site so I can deliver this info = if and when I get it. Boy, I'm getting excited just thinking about it, = heheheheh. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Chris Woodul Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:33 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit LOL<=20 HI Mike, I knew I would get a rise out of someone with the LED = comment! ; ) I am a solderer too, but I require a bit of fun in my simulator = discussions. I will put the pics up when it gets here cuase I want to = take my own clean pics of the trainer. The Cockpit is complete and has = all interior components. I am going to put a new Wide angle LANTRIN HUD = into it, along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A few other parts = I will trade out as needed. Right now all the warning lights function, = and I will add the Floods and other various systems for realism. This = cockpit will be a sister to my F-111 cockpits. I am also getting another = one which has a canopy ( C model too), and possibly an A model too. I am = going to give the A model cockpit to Marc Wiegart. I dont know how to do photo uploads anyway, Ill have to have Doc = Fagner do it for me. Take care, Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Williams=20 To: simpits-chat@simpits.org ; simpits-chat@simpits.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering = crew? lets hear it :)=20 =20 Mike Williams -------Original Message------- From: simpits-chat@simpits.org Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed Hi Doc Fagner! You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C = cockpit I just bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II = and a true F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. I have pictures on my pc. I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED = soldering crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) Cheers, Chris PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the = chats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck = on this one) but > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just = recently moved to > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play = Falcon 4 online all > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a = router and I > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip = xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the = Jetnet (Falcon's > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the = 10.2.x.x range. > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my = machine) to play > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he = doesn't seem to > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can = we get around > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco = and I have a base > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as = butter. > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By = the way, > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 = soundcards to > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of = roger wilco > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works = like a champ > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any = conflicts with > this working. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver = on campus) > > the server will answer your request with something like (in = the example > this is a:) > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > now type ( following is this t:) > > "HELO" > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > t: DATA > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > t: this is a test mail > t: . > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued = mail for > delivery > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > t: QUIT > > for ending the session...... > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a = mail - even > without a mailing program.... > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though = the > response from the mail server might not the same, unless = they are > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT = department get > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a = can of worms > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing = so they will > see what else you have done on the "net", such as = downloading mp3s) > > /Stig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > recieved the email > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to = IT > > and they emailed > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way = it > > was set up. I > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > left myself with > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked = the > > newsletter people > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > people responded with > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > line in there > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > address between the > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: = your.hostname.edu > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my = hearing with some > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > have happened. > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > talking about. > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > I'm sure we'd > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > g. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat .=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C2D799.323DE340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jay,

You can measure off anything in it you = want. I have=20 given parts and info to Martin "Pegasus" for just the same reasons. One = of the=20 main reasons I got this thing is to be able to use the laser scanner on = it to=20 glean info right out of it into CAD/CAM. It will be a timesaver despite = the fact=20 I have authentic technical data on the crewstation on the -16. =

We are making a JSF cockpit right now = for LM, for=20 thier second full size mock up which will be at Paris this = year.

Its a really busy time this = year,...would like to=20 have some more months in this first quarter. That would make life=20 nice!

Take it easy,

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joseph=20 Fagner
To: simpits-chat@simpits.org =

Sent: Tuesday, February 18, = 2003 9:54=20 PM

Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] = Chris's=20 pit

I can = upload your=20 pics, no prob. Chris. Can=92t wait to see it in person. I = will bring=20 my Digital camera and upload pics to the simpits site when I get home = from=20 seeing the pit. I want to come out on a day that I can = take some=20 detailed measurements for my pit building. I would like to = dissect apart=20 every piece that you=92ll let me. As I type right now, my wife = is talking=20 to a girl she works with whose husband in some sort of project = manager/big wig=20 type who works for Lockheed and oversees guess which program??? = You got=20 it, the F-16. So, she is setting up a date we can all go out to = dinner=20 and I am going to try to do some networking here and see what if = anything I=20 can buy, beg, steal or batter for. I hope I can use you, Chris, = and=20 hopefully meet a new friend and compile some data and measurements for = us=20 Viper drivers out there. Guess I am going to have to set up a = web site=20 so I can deliver this info if and when I get it. Boy, I=92m = getting=20 excited just thinking about it, heheheheh.

Jay

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] = On Behalf Of Chris=20 Woodul
Sent: = Tuesday,=20 February 18, 2003 8:33 PM
To:=20 simpits-chat@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] = Chris's=20 pit

LOL< =

HI Mike, I knew I would = get a rise=20 out of someone with the LED comment! ; )

I am a solderer too, but = I require=20 a bit of fun in my simulator discussions. I will put the pics up when = it gets=20 here cuase I want to take my own clean pics of the trainer. The = Cockpit is=20 complete and has all interior components. I am going to put a new Wide = angle=20 LANTRIN HUD into it, along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A = few other=20 parts I will trade out as needed. Right now all the warning lights = function,=20 and I will add the Floods and other various systems for realism. This = cockpit=20 will be a sister to my F-111 cockpits. I am also getting another one = which has=20 a canopy ( C model too), and possibly an A model too. I am going to = give the A=20 model cockpit to Marc Wiegart.

I dont know how to do = photo=20 uploads anyway, Ill have to have Doc Fagner do it for=20 me.

Take = care,

Chris

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Mike=20 Williams

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org ; = simpits-chat@simpits.org=20

Sent:=20 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM

Subject:=20 [simpits-chat] Chris's pit

Chris, send up = some=20 pictures of those pits, LED soldering = crew?

lets hear it=20 :)

Mike=20 Williams

-------Original=20 Message-------

From:=20 simpits-chat@simpits.org

Date:=20 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM

To:=20 simpits-chat@simpits.org

Subject:=20 Re: [simpits-chat] Framed

Hi Doc = Fagner!

You=20 need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit = I=20 just
bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 = ACES II=20 and a true
F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next = week or=20 two.
I have pictures on my pc.
I love being able to talk = OFF=20 TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering
crowd doesnt = push me out=20 of this fourm too! ; )

Cheers,

Chris

PS = Hi to all=20 the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the=20 chats!

----- Original Message -----
From: = "Joseph=20 Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
= To:=20 <simpits-chat@simpits.org>=
Sent:=20 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: = [simpits-chat]=20 Framed

> Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic = (sorry=20 Brian, I'm stuck on this one)
but
> maybe you can = help me. I=20 have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to
> Spain. = He used=20 to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 = online
all
>=20 the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a = router and=20 I
> would open ports and add the command line to = falcon.exe -ip=20 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
> of my cable modem's IP address and we = could=20 play just fine.
>
> Now I have the static ip = address and=20 can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's
> online game server) = but he=20 has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x range.
> We = cannot get=20 him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine)=20 to
play
> online. We have opened the needed ports (we = think)=20 but he doesn't seem to
> be behind a mappable IP = address, only a=20 private one. How can we get
around
> this so he can = play=20 online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have = a
base
>=20 station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as=20 butter.
>
> Any help from you or anyone would be = greatly=20 appreciated. By the way,
> someone either in the chat or = Tech=20 group recommended using 2 soundcards to
> pipe the sound = effects=20 through one and the voice comms of roger wilco
> through = the=20 other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a = champ
>=20 (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any = conflicts=20 with
> this working.
>
> Jay
>
> = -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits= .org
[mailto:simpits-= chat-admin@simpits.org]
>=20 On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February = 18, 2003=20 6:27 PM
> To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed
>
> Here is an = example=20 of using telnet as a mail program....
>
> start = telnet in=20 dos prompt :
>
> "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2=20 25"
>
> (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that = to the=20 mailserver on campus)
>
> the server will answer = your=20 request with something like (in the example
> this is=20 a:)
>
> "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 = 01:06:43=20 +0100"
>
> now type ( following is this=20 t:)
>
> "HELO"
>
> a: 250 = mail.clearsky.dk=20 Hello [192.168.2.18]
> t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
>=20 a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@cle= arsky.dk....Sender=20 OK
> t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
>=20 a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
>=20 t: DATA
> a: 354 Start mail input; end with=20 <CRLF>.<CRLF>
> t: this is a test = mail
> t:=20 .
> a: 250 2.6.0 <Ks6qisdBzPO0000000b@= mail.clearsky.dk>=20 Queued mail for
> delivery
>
> and woila - = the mail=20 is delivered
>
> t: QUIT
>
> for = ending the=20 session......
>
> as you can see from this example = it is=20 quite easy to send a mail - even
> without a mailing=20 program....
>
> be aware of the above should work = with all=20 mailserver though the
> response from the mail server = might not=20 the same, unless they are
> running "MS exchange server=20 2k"
>
> if you can use this example, go ahead - = and from=20 the IT department get
> the firewall logs (but be = careful here -=20 you might open a can of worms
> as they will be = searching for=20 your ip address, and in doing so they will
> see what = else you=20 have done on the "net", such as downloading = mp3s)
>
>=20 /Stig
>
>
>
>
> > = -----Original=20 Message-----
> > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]
&g= t;=20 > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40
> > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed
> >
>=20 >
> > > Subscribe conformation was in place, = Gene. The=20 Dean
> > recieved the email
> > > asking = to=20 confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT
> > = and=20 they emailed
> > > the newsletter people. At = least, I=20 think that's the way it
> > was set up. I
> = > >=20 gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, = I
> >=20 left myself with
> > > the copy with less info, I = think.=20 Basically, IT asked the
> > newsletter people
> = >=20 > who subscribed that email address, and the = newsletter
>=20 > people responded with
> > > one line: my IP=20 address.
> > >
> > I would still want to = see the=20 full headers. If there is a
> > line in there
> = >=20 that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip
> = >=20 address between the
> > brackets is the real address. = It=20 could also read: your.hostname.edu
> > [other = hostname or ip=20 address]
> >
> > > all work out, I'm = sure, I just=20 wanted to go to my hearing with some
> > >=20 semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what = might
> >=20 have happened.
> >
> > If it helps, I run my = own=20 mail servers so I know what I'm
> > talking = about.
>=20 > There are others on this list that are equally as=20 skilled.
> > I'm sure we'd
> > be happy to = eat 'em=20 alive for you. :)
> >
> > g.
> = >
>=20 >
> >=20 _______________________________________________
> >=20 simpits-chat mailing list
> > simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 > http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>=20 >
> = _______________________________________________
>=20 simpits-chat mailing list
> simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>
>
>=20 _______________________________________________
> = simpits-chat=20 mailing list
> simpits-chat@simpits.org
= >=20 http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
>

________= _______________________________________
simpits-chat=20 mailing list
simpits-chat@simpits.org
= http://www.= simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
.=20

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Chris. Can=92t wait to see it in person= =2E I will bring my Digital camera and upload pics to the simpits site when I g= et home from seeing the pit. I want to come out on a day that I can take s= ome detailed measurements for my pit building. I would like to dissect apart every piece that you=92ll let me. As I type right now, my wife is talkin= g to a girl she works with whose husband in some sort of project manager/big w= ig type who works for Lockheed and oversees guess which program??? You got = it, the F-16. So, she is setting up a date we can all go out to dinner and I= am going to try to do some networking here and see what if anything I can bu= y, beg, steal or batter for. I hope I can use you, Chris, and hopefully mee= t a new friend and compile some data and measurements for us Viper drivers ou= t there. Guess I am going to have to set up a web site so I can deliver th= is info if and when I get it. Boy, I=92m getting excited just thinking abou= t it, heheheheh.=0D =0D Jay=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.o= rg] On Behalf Of Chris Woodul=0D Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:33 PM=0D To: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit=0D =0D LOL< =0D HI Mike, I knew I would get a rise out of someone with the LED comment! ;= )=0D I am a solderer too, but I require a bit of fun in my simulator discussio= ns. I will put the pics up when it gets here cuase I want to take my own clea= n pics of the trainer. The Cockpit is complete and has all interior compone= nts I am going to put a new Wide angle LANTRIN HUD into it, along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A few other parts I will trade out as neede= d. Right now all the warning lights function, and I will add the Floods and other various systems for realism. This cockpit will be a sister to my F-= 111 cockpits. I am also getting another one which has a canopy ( C model too)= , and possibly an A model too. I am going to give the A model cockpit to Ma= rc Wiegart.=0D I dont know how to do photo uploads anyway, Ill have to have Doc Fagner d= o it for me.=0D =0D Take care,=0D =0D Chris=0D =0D ----- Original Message ----- =0D From: Mike Williams =0D To: simpits-chat@simpits.org ; simpits-chat@simpits.org =0D Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM=0D Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit=0D =0D Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering crew?=0D lets hear it :) =0D =0D =0D =0D Mike Williams=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM=0D To: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed=0D =0D Hi Doc Fagner!=0D =0D You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just=0D bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true=0D F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two.=0D I have pictures on my pc.=0D I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering=0D crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; )=0D =0D Cheers,=0D =0D Chris=0D =0D PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats!=0D =0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Joseph Fagner" =0D To: =0D Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM=0D Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed=0D =0D =0D > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one= )=0D but=0D > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved t= o=0D > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online=0D all=0D > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I=0D > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx= =2Exx=0D > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine.=0D >=0D > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's= =0D > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x ran= ge.=0D > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to=0D play=0D > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem = to=0D > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get=0D around=0D > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a=0D base=0D > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter.=0D >=0D > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way,=0D > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards= to=0D > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco=0D > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a cham= p=0D > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with= =0D > this working.=0D >=0D > Jay=0D >=0D > -----Original Message-----=0D > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org=0D [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org]=0D > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen=0D > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM=0D > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed=0D >=0D > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program....=0D >=0D > start telnet in dos prompt :=0D >=0D > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25"=0D >=0D > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus)= =0D >=0D > the server will answer your request with something like (in the example= =0D > this is a:)=0D >=0D > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100"=0D >=0D > now type ( following is this t:)=0D >=0D > "HELO"=0D >=0D > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18]=0D > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk=0D > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK=0D > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk=0D > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk=0D > t: DATA=0D > a: 354 Start mail input; end with .=0D > t: this is a test mail=0D > t: .=0D > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for=0D > delivery=0D >=0D > and woila - the mail is delivered=0D >=0D > t: QUIT=0D >=0D > for ending the session......=0D >=0D > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even= =0D > without a mailing program....=0D >=0D > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the=0D > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are=0D > running "MS exchange server 2k"=0D >=0D > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get=0D > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms=0D > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they wil= l=0D > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s)=0D >=0D > /Stig=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > > -----Original Message-----=0D > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]=0D > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40=0D > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean=0D > > recieved the email=0D > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT=0D > > and they emailed=0D > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it=0D > > was set up. I=0D > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I=0D > > left myself with=0D > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the=0D > > newsletter people=0D > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter=0D > > people responded with=0D > > > one line: my IP address.=0D > > >=0D > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a=0D > > line in there=0D > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip=0D > > address between the=0D > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu=0D > > [other hostname or ip address]=0D > >=0D > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with some= =0D > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might=0D > > have happened.=0D > >=0D > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm=0D > > talking about.=0D > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled.=0D > > I'm sure we'd=0D > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :)=0D > >=0D > > g.=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > _______________________________________________=0D > > simpits-chat mailing list=0D > > simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat=0D > >=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > simpits-chat mailing list=0D > simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat=0D >=0D >=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > simpits-chat mailing list=0D > simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat=0D >=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D simpits-chat mailing list=0D simpits-chat@simpits.org=0D http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat=0D =2E =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =20= --Boundary_(ID_N6bOOoWRMM0qn+yAOhsyZw) Content-type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Jay, take your tape measure and use it in some of the pics, please

we can't have enough references to measurements, thanks

Mike Williams

-------Original Message-------

From: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Date: Tuesday, Feb= ruary 18, 2003 10:56:45 PM

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Subject: RE: [simp= its-chat] Chris's pit

I can upload your p= ics, no prob. Chris. Can=92t wait to see it in person. I will= bring my Digital camera and upload pics to the simpits site when I get h= ome from seeing the pit. I want to come out on a day that I c= an take some detailed measurements for my pit building. I would lik= e to dissect apart every piece that you=92ll let me. As I type righ= t now, my wife is talking to a girl she works with whose husband in some = sort of project manager/big wig type who works for Lockheed and oversees = guess which program??? You got it, the F-16. So, she is setti= ng up a date we can all go out to dinner and I am going to try to do some= networking here and see what if anything I can buy, beg, steal or batter= for. I hope I can use you, Chris, and hopefully meet a new friend = and compile some data and measurements for us Viper drivers out there.&nb= sp; Guess I am going to have to set up a web site so I can deliver this i= nfo if and when I get it. Boy, I=92m getting excited just thinking = about it, heheheheh.

Jay

-----Original = Message-----
From: sim= pits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Chris Woodul
<= B>Sent: Tuesday, February 18= , 2003 8:33 PM
To: sim= pits-chat@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit

LOL< <= /FONT>

HI Mike, I knew = I would get a rise out of someone with the LED comment! ; )=

I am a solderer = too, but I require a bit of fun in my simulator discussions. I will put t= he pics up when it gets here cuase I want to take my own clean pics of th= e trainer. The Cockpit is complete and has all interior components. I am = going to put a new Wide angle LANTRIN HUD into it, along with real flight= instruments and MFD,s. A few other parts I will trade out as needed. Rig= ht now all the warning lights function, and I will add the Floods and oth= er various systems for realism. This cockpit will be a sister to my F-111= cockpits. I am also getting another one which has a canopy ( C model too= ), and possibly an A model too. I am going to give the A model cockpit to= Marc Wiegart.

I dont know how = to do photo uploads anyway, Ill have to have Doc Fagner do it for me.

Take care,

Chris

----- Original M= essage -----

From: Mike Will= iams

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org ; simpits-chat@simpits.org

Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM

Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit<= /FONT>

Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, L= ED soldering crew?

lets hear it :)
<= /FONT>

Mike Williams

-------Original Messag= e-------

= From: simpits-chat@simpits.org

= Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM<= /SPAN>

= To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

= Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed

Hi Doc Fagner!

You need to come by and= see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just
bought. Its awesome.= I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true
F-15 ACES II. I wi= ll be shipping it in the next week or two.
I have pictures on my pc.I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED solderin= g
crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; )

Cheers,
Chris

PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss = the chats!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagne= r" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
To: <simpits-cha= t@simpits.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM
Subj= ect: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed

> Hey Stig, this is off Bria= n's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this one)
but
> maybe you c= an help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved to
> Spa= in. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online
al= l
> the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a route= r and I
> would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -= ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
> of my cable modem's IP address and we could pla= y just fine.
>
> Now I have the static ip address and can hoo= k into the Jetnet (Falcon's
> online game server) but he has a priv= ate IP address in the 10.2.x.x range.
> We cannot get him to hook i= nto any server (or hook into my machine) to
play
> online. We ha= ve opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem to
> be b= ehind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get
around=
> this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I = have a
base
> station set up and we can talk to each other smoot= h as butter.
>
> Any help from you or anyone would be greatly= appreciated. By the way,
> someone either in the chat or Tech grou= p recommended using 2 soundcards to
> pipe the sound effects throug= h one and the voice comms of roger wilco
> through the other. Well,= I can tell you first hand it works like a champ
> (I'm using XP pr= o). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts with
> this work= ing.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
&g= t; From: simpits-chat-a= dmin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org]
> On Behalf = Of Stig Joergensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM
&g= t; To: simpits-chat@simpits.o= rg
> Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed
>
> Here is= an example of using telnet as a mail program....
>
> start t= elnet in dos prompt :
>
> "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25"
&= gt;
> (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver = on campus)
>
> the server will answer your request with somet= hing like (in the example
> this is a:)
>
> "220 ESMTP = ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100"
>
> now type ( foll= owing is this t:)
>
> "HELO"
>
> a: 250 mail.clea= rsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18]
> t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> a: 250= 2.1.0 stig.joer= gensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK
> t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> a: = 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@= clearsky.dk
> t: DATA
> a: 354 Start mail input; end with= <CRLF>.<CRLF>
> t: this is a test mail
> t: .> a: 250 2.6.0 <Ks6qisdBzPO0000000b@mail.clearsky.dk> Queued mail for
>= ; delivery
>
> and woila - the mail is delivered
>
&= gt; t: QUIT
>
> for ending the session......
>
> = as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - even> without a mailing program....
>
> be aware of the abov= e should work with all mailserver though the
> response from the ma= il server might not the same, unless they are
> running "MS exchang= e server 2k"
>
> if you can use this example, go ahead - and = from the IT department get
> the firewall logs (but be careful here= - you might open a can of worms
> as they will be searching for yo= ur ip address, and in doing so they will
> see what else you have d= one on the "net", such as downloading mp3s)
>
> /Stig
>=
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> = > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:gen= eb@deltasoft.com]
> > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40
> &= gt; To: simpits-chat@simpits.= org
> > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed
> >
&= gt; >
> > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The= Dean
> > recieved the email
> > > asking to confirm= for the mailing list, she sent that to IT
> > and they emailed<= BR>> > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way= it
> > was set up. I
> > > gave the wrong copy of m= y information to my Commander, I
> > left myself with
> &g= t; > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the
>= > newsletter people
> > > who subscribed that email addre= ss, and the newsletter
> > people responded with
> > &g= t; one line: my IP address.
> > >
> > I would still = want to see the full headers. If there is a
> > line in there> > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip
> = > address between the
> > brackets is the real address. It co= uld also read: your.hostname.edu
> > [other hostname or ip addre= ss]
> >
> > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted = to go to my hearing with some
> > > semi-professional oppinio= ns backing me up on what might
> > have happened.
> >> > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm
= > > talking about.
> > There are others on this list that = are equally as skilled.
> > I'm sure we'd
> > be happy = to eat 'em alive for you. :)
> >
> > g.
> >> >
> > _______________________________________________> > simpits-chat mailing list
> > simpits-chat@simpits.org
> > http://www.simpits= =2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat
> >
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>>
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= --Boundary_(ID_N6bOOoWRMM0qn+yAOhsyZw)-- --Boundary_(ID_br3Ayyj4i0CvAJW4ugbG6g) Content-id: <9C51B2AD-67EC-477B-BBA5-661E3679B46B> Content-type: image/gif; name=sg-0.gif Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=sg-0.gif R0lGODlheQBAAPABAAAAAL29vSH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAB5AEAAAAL+jI8Gye0Po5y0OoDDUnjbD4ai tXRapozqypKlh3LtTKtd7J1IXPf+xwv+hsSISXbIFZfLYE7JjPZ4mp30+nNasdwWVVnadscTKsNM ThvV7Bm0DY/L5/S6/T464vfvPRld5Qe3AdUnmFZI8WR4aHOmmATY6ChmBIPCOFmR2AB2qVnDafkE 6raVmfJZyqKKWkW46hWJBHHzGrvSihp24op7kRRoCCPs+9spA9t5SWhMKaesfKabEjn8Mv04hy18 QYz0uYgt3ZvgLMXbbd6MiQnO8cLdWhmnd2u9c+OebqtT3avvGx0zkrw1K2dOkb47fc4dewgxosSJ FCtavIgxo8YcjRw7evwIMqTIkSRLmjyJMqXKlSxbunwJM6acAgA7 --Boundary_(ID_br3Ayyj4i0CvAJW4ugbG6g) Content-id: Content-type: image/gif; name=image0011.gif Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=image0011.gif R0lGODlheQBAAPECAAAAAP//AL29vQAAACH5BAEAAAIALAAAAAB5AEAAAAL+lI8Wye0Po5y0uoDF UnjbD4aitXRapozqypKlh3LtTKtd7J1IXPf+xwv+hsSISXbIFZfLYE7JjPZ4mp30+nNasdwWVVna dscTKsNMThvV7Bm0DY/L5/S6/T464vfvPRld5Qe3AdUnmFZI8WR4aHOmmATY6ChmBIPCOFmR2AB2 qVnDafkE6raVmfJZyqKKWkW46hWJBHHzGrvSihp24op7kRRoCCPs+9spA9t5SWhMKaesfKabEjn8 Mv04hy18QYz0uYgt3ZvgLMXbbd6MiQnO8cLdWhmnd2u9c+OebqtT3avvGx0zkrw1K2dOkb47fc4d ewgxosSJFCtavIgxo8YcjRw7evwIMqTIkSRLmjyJMqXKlSxbunwJM6acAgA7 --Boundary_(ID_br3Ayyj4i0CvAJW4ugbG6g)-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Wed Feb 19 21:52:11 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:52:11 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit In-Reply-To: <3E53BCC4.000012.02428@mike> Message-ID: <002001c2d861$2b768490$1401a8c0@theiceberg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2D82E.E0DD9B30 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0022_01C2D82E.E0DD9B30" ------=_NextPart_001_0022_01C2D82E.E0DD9B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will give you a heads up when I am headed out there. I want to have a full day off and plenty of compact flash memory so that I can gleam a boatload of info. I will probably take several tape measures (both = stiff and flexible-no wisecracks from the gallery) to accommodate different textures and curvatures. If any one else has any ideas like this, = please chime in now. I will probably go out and get a good vernier (sp?) = caliper for some of the smaller widths and dimensions we often don't think about getting then realized some day we need. I will also bring a protractor = for angles. =20 Jay =20 -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:20 AM To: simpits@simpits.org; simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit =20 Jay, take your tape measure and use it in some of the pics, please we can't have enough references to measurements, thanks =20 =20 Mike Williams -------Original Message------- =20 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:56:45 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit =20 I can upload your pics, no prob. Chris. Can't wait to see it in person. = I will bring my Digital camera and upload pics to the simpits site when I = get home from seeing the pit. I want to come out on a day that I can take = some detailed measurements for my pit building. I would like to dissect = apart every piece that you'll let me. As I type right now, my wife is talking = to a girl she works with whose husband in some sort of project manager/big = wig type who works for Lockheed and oversees guess which program??? You got = it, the F-16. So, she is setting up a date we can all go out to dinner and = I am going to try to do some networking here and see what if anything I can = buy, beg, steal or batter for. I hope I can use you, Chris, and hopefully = meet a new friend and compile some data and measurements for us Viper drivers = out there. Guess I am going to have to set up a web site so I can deliver = this info if and when I get it. Boy, I'm getting excited just thinking about = it, heheheheh. =20 Jay =20 -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org = [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Chris Woodul Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:33 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit =20 LOL<=20 HI Mike, I knew I would get a rise out of someone with the LED comment! = ; ) I am a solderer too, but I require a bit of fun in my simulator = discussions. I will put the pics up when it gets here cuase I want to take my own = clean pics of the trainer. The Cockpit is complete and has all interior components. I am going to put a new Wide angle LANTRIN HUD into it, = along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A few other parts I will trade = out as needed. Right now all the warning lights function, and I will add the Floods and other various systems for realism. This cockpit will be a = sister to my F-111 cockpits. I am also getting another one which has a canopy ( = C model too), and possibly an A model too. I am going to give the A model cockpit to Marc Wiegart. I dont know how to do photo uploads anyway, Ill have to have Doc Fagner = do it for me. =20 Take care, =20 Chris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Williams=20 To: simpits-chat@simpits.org ; simpits-chat@simpits.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit =20 Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering crew? lets hear it :)=20 =20 =20 Mike Williams -------Original Message------- =20 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed =20 Hi Doc Fagner! You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I just bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a true F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two. I have pictures on my pc. I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED soldering crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; ) Cheers, Chris PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the chats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Fagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on this = one) but > maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently moved = to > Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 online all > the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a router and I > would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip = xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine. > > Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet = (Falcon's > online game server) but he has a private IP address in the 10.2.x.x = range. > We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my machine) to play > online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he doesn't seem = to > be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we get around > this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I have a base > station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as butter. > > Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By the way, > someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 = soundcards to > pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger wilco > through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works like a = champ > (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any conflicts = with > this working. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org ] > On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed > > Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program.... > > start telnet in dos prompt : > > "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25" > > (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on = campus) > > the server will answer your request with something like (in the = example > this is a:) > > "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 +0100" > > now type ( following is this t:) > > "HELO" > > a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18] > t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk....Sender OK > t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk > t: DATA > a: 354 Start mail input; end with . > t: this is a test mail > t: . > a: 250 2.6.0 Queued mail for > delivery > > and woila - the mail is delivered > > t: QUIT > > for ending the session...... > > as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a mail - = even > without a mailing program.... > > be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though the > response from the mail server might not the same, unless they are > running "MS exchange server 2k" > > if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT department get > the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can of worms > as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so they = will > see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s) > > /Stig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed > > > > > > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The Dean > > recieved the email > > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that to IT > > and they emailed > > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the way it > > was set up. I > > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my Commander, I > > left myself with > > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked the > > newsletter people > > > who subscribed that email address, and the newsletter > > people responded with > > > one line: my IP address. > > > > > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is a > > line in there > > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip > > address between the > > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu > > [other hostname or ip address] > > > > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my hearing with = some > > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what might > > have happened. > > > > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what I'm > > talking about. > > There are others on this list that are equally as skilled. > > I'm sure we'd > > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :) > > > > g. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat .=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0022_01C2D82E.E0DD9B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I will give you a heads up when I = am headed out there. I want to have a full day off and plenty of = compact flash memory so that I can gleam a boatload of info. I will = probably take several tape measures (both stiff and flexible—no wisecracks from = the gallery) to accommodate different textures and curvatures. If any = one else has any ideas like this, please chime in now. I will probably = go out and get a good vernier (sp?) caliper for some of the smaller widths and dimensions we often don’t think about getting then realized some = day we need. I will also bring a protractor for angles.

Jay

-----Original = Message-----
From: = simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams
Sent: Wednesday, February = 19, 2003 11:20 AM
To: simpits@simpits.org; simpits-chat@simpits.org
Subject: RE: = [simpits-chat] Chris's pit

Jay, take your tape measure and use it in some of = the pics, please

we can't have enough references to measurements, = thanks

Mike Williams

-------Original = Message-------

From:= simpits-chat@simpits.org

Date:= Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:56:45 PM

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Chris's pit

I can upload your pics, no prob. Chris. Can’t wait to see it in person. I will bring = my Digital camera and upload pics to the simpits site when I get home = from seeing the pit. I want to come out on a day that I can = take some detailed measurements for my pit building. I would like to = dissect apart every piece that you’ll let me. As I type right now, = my wife is talking to a girl she works with whose husband in some sort of project manager/big wig type who works for Lockheed and oversees guess = which program??? You got it, the F-16. So, she is setting up a = date we can all go out to dinner and I am going to try to do some networking = here and see what if anything I can buy, beg, steal or batter for. I hope = I can use you, Chris, and hopefully meet a new friend and compile some data = and measurements for us Viper drivers out there. Guess I am going to = have to set up a web site so I can deliver this info if and when I get = it. Boy, I’m getting excited just thinking about it, = heheheheh.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] = On Behalf Of Chris Woodul
Sent: Tuesday, February = 18, 2003 8:33 PM
To: = simpits-chat@simpits.org
Subject: Re: = [simpits-chat] Chris's pit

LOL<

HI Mike, I knew I would get a rise out of someone = with the LED comment! ; )

I am a solderer too, but I require a bit of fun in = my simulator discussions. I will put the pics up when it gets here cuase = I want to take my own clean pics of the trainer. The Cockpit is complete and = has all interior components. I am going to put a new Wide angle LANTRIN HUD = into it, along with real flight instruments and MFD,s. A few other parts I will = trade out as needed. Right now all the warning lights function, and I will = add the Floods and other various systems for realism. This cockpit will be a = sister to my F-111 cockpits. I am also getting another one which has a canopy = ( C model too), and possibly an A model too. I am going to give the A model = cockpit to Marc Wiegart.

I dont know how to do photo uploads anyway, Ill = have to have Doc Fagner do it for me.

Take care,

Chris

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Williams

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org ; simpits-chat@simpits.org

Sent: = Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:19 PM

Subject: = [simpits-chat] Chris's pit

Chris, send up some pictures of those pits, LED soldering crew?

lets hear it :)

Mike Williams

-------Original = Message-------

From:= simpits-chat@simpits.org

Date:= Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55:22 PM

To: simpits-chat@simpits.org

Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed

Hi Doc Fagner!

You need to come by and see the pictures of the new F-16C cockpit I = just
bought. Its awesome. I also bought another real F-16 ACES II and a = true
F-15 ACES II. I will be shipping it in the next week or two.
I have pictures on my pc.
I love being able to talk OFF TOPIC...How nice. I hope the LED = soldering
crowd doesnt push me out of this fourm too! ; )

Cheers,

Chris

PS Hi to all the other off topic freaks out there. I miss the = chats!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
= To: <simpits-chat@simpits.org>=
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed

> Hey Stig, this is off Brian's topic (sorry Brian, I'm stuck on = this one)
but
> maybe you can help me. I have a buddy of mine who just recently = moved to
> Spain. He used to live in New Jersey and we would play Falcon 4 = online
all
> the time. He had a static and I had a dynamic IP behind a = router and I
> would open ports and add the command line to falcon.exe -ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
> of my cable modem's IP address and we could play just fine.
>
> Now I have the static ip address and can hook into the Jetnet (Falcon's
> online game server) but he has a private IP address in the = 10.2.x.x range.
> We cannot get him to hook into any server (or hook into my = machine) to
play
> online. We have opened the needed ports (we think) but he = doesn't seem to
> be behind a mappable IP address, only a private one. How can we = get
around
> this so he can play online? He is able to use Roger Wilco and I = have a
base
> station set up and we can talk to each other smooth as = butter.
>
> Any help from you or anyone would be greatly appreciated. By = the way,
> someone either in the chat or Tech group recommended using 2 soundcards to
> pipe the sound effects through one and the voice comms of roger = wilco
> through the other. Well, I can tell you first hand it works = like a champ
> (I'm using XP pro). I couldn't believe I didn't have any = conflicts with
> this working.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits= .org
[mailto:simpits-= chat-admin@simpits.org]
> On Behalf Of Stig Joergensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:27 PM
> To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Framed
>
> Here is an example of using telnet as a mail program....
>
> start telnet in dos prompt :
>
> "c:\>telnet 192.168.2.2 25"
>
> (192.168.2.2 is my mailserver, change that to the mailserver on campus)
>
> the server will answer your request with something like (in the example
> this is a:)
>
> "220 ESMTP ready at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:06:43 = +0100"
>
> now type ( following is this t:)
>
> "HELO"
>
> a: 250 mail.clearsky.dk Hello [192.168.2.18]
> t: MAIL From: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> a: 250 2.1.0 stig.joergensen@cle= arsky.dk....Sender OK
> t: RCPT To: stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> a: 250 2.1.5 stig.joergensen@clearsky.dk
> t: DATA
> a: 354 Start mail input; end with <CRLF>.<CRLF>
> t: this is a test mail
> t: .
> a: 250 2.6.0 <Ks6qisdBzPO0000000b@= mail.clearsky.dk> Queued mail for
> delivery
>
> and woila - the mail is delivered
>
> t: QUIT
>
> for ending the session......
>
> as you can see from this example it is quite easy to send a = mail - even
> without a mailing program....
>
> be aware of the above should work with all mailserver though = the
> response from the mail server might not the same, unless they = are
> running "MS exchange server 2k"
>
> if you can use this example, go ahead - and from the IT = department get
> the firewall logs (but be careful here - you might open a can = of worms
> as they will be searching for your ip address, and in doing so = they will
> see what else you have done on the "net", such as downloading mp3s)
>
> /Stig
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]
> > Sent: 19. februar 2003 00:40
> > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org
= > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Framed
> >
> >
> > > Subscribe conformation was in place, Gene. The = Dean
> > recieved the email
> > > asking to confirm for the mailing list, she sent that = to IT
> > and they emailed
> > > the newsletter people. At least, I think that's the = way it
> > was set up. I
> > > gave the wrong copy of my information to my = Commander, I
> > left myself with
> > > the copy with less info, I think. Basically, IT asked = the
> > newsletter people
> > > who subscribed that email address, and the = newsletter
> > people responded with
> > > one line: my IP address.
> > >
> > I would still want to see the full headers. If there is = a
> > line in there
> > that says: your.ip.address [other.ip.address], the ip
> > address between the
> > brackets is the real address. It could also read: your.hostname.edu
> > [other hostname or ip address]
> >
> > > all work out, I'm sure, I just wanted to go to my = hearing with some
> > > semi-professional oppinions backing me up on what = might
> > have happened.
> >
> > If it helps, I run my own mail servers so I know what = I'm
> > talking about.
> > There are others on this list that are equally as = skilled.
> > I'm sure we'd
> > be happy to eat 'em alive for you. :)
> >
> > g.
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Waaay too easy ;-)

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--=====================_609297==_.ALT-- From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 02:13:50 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:13:50 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: Ok, this is painful to look at, but hilarious: http://sct.staghosting.com/index.html I still, despite being faced with it every day, can't understand how people can be this dumb. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 03:31:31 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:31:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hehehe. Great site! How'd the witch-hunt go? Unsucessful I hope! g. On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Ok, this is painful to look at, but hilarious: > > http://sct.staghosting.com/index.html > > I still, despite being faced with it every day, can't understand how people > can be this dumb. > > Brian > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 03:27:39 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 03:27:39 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: Very. But the !@#$(&!@#$(& are making me pay the $40 re-activation fee, because I "should have kept my computer more secure." Doesn't matter HOW secure my computer is, it could have been turned off and unplugged and still had an IP spoof lead to me. Oh well, I'm not gonna argue too much, it could have been worse. Brian ----Original Message Follows---- From: Gene Buckle Reply-To: simpits-chat@simpits.org To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Tech... Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:31:31 -0800 (PST) Hehehe. Great site! How'd the witch-hunt go? Unsucessful I hope! g. On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Ok, this is painful to look at, but hilarious: > > http://sct.staghosting.com/index.html > > I still, despite being faced with it every day, can't understand how people > can be this dumb. > > Brian > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 03:50:02 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:50:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Very. But the !@#$(&!@#$(& are making me pay the $40 re-activation fee, > because I "should have kept my computer more secure." Doesn't matter HOW > secure my computer is, it could have been turned off and unplugged and still > had an IP spoof lead to me. Oh well, I'm not gonna argue too much, it could > have been worse. > Glad to hear it came out ok. Great reason to boot Unix instead. :) g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 03:46:06 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 03:46:06 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: Heh, I would all the time, if someone could manage to overcome the whole "it takes 2 days to get even the simplest program installed and running problem." That's why I finally gave up, the tiniest little thing I wanted to run took WAAAAY to much work to get running properly. The only reason I lasted as long as I did was because I had someone knowledgable helping me out all the time. I want to be able to run my computer without having a degree in the OS first ;) Brian ----Original Message Follows---- From: Gene Buckle Reply-To: simpits-chat@simpits.org To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Tech... Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:50:02 -0800 (PST) > Very. But the !@#$(&!@#$(& are making me pay the $40 re-activation fee, > because I "should have kept my computer more secure." Doesn't matter HOW > secure my computer is, it could have been turned off and unplugged and still > had an IP spoof lead to me. Oh well, I'm not gonna argue too much, it could > have been worse. > Glad to hear it came out ok. Great reason to boot Unix instead. :) g. _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 05:34:01 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:34:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Heh, I would all the time, if someone could manage to overcome the whole "it > takes 2 days to get even the simplest program installed and running > problem." That's why I finally gave up, the tiniest little thing I wanted to > run took WAAAAY to much work to get running properly. The only reason I > lasted as long as I did was because I had someone knowledgable helping me > out all the time. I want to be able to run my computer without having a > degree in the OS first ;) > Dude. What a *lame* excuse. Unix is _very_ easy to use. What did you do before Windows? Stare at the C:\> prompt and tremble? What were you trying to install? g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 06:02:28 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:02:28 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302240554.AAA29940@rtccom.net> Compiling stuff is a pain for non-programmers like myself......I have probably less than a 30% success rate. :( It's to the point where if I see a program I want but it's only distributed as source, I often don't bother. -Matt Bailey On Monday 24 February 2003 00:34, you wrote: > > Heh, I would all the time, if someone could manage to overcome the whole > > "it takes 2 days to get even the simplest program installed and running > > problem." That's why I finally gave up, the tiniest little thing I wanted > > to run took WAAAAY to much work to get running properly. The only reason > > I lasted as long as I did was because I had someone knowledgable helping > > me out all the time. I want to be able to run my computer without having > > a degree in the OS first ;) > > Dude. What a *lame* excuse. Unix is _very_ easy to use. What did you do > before Windows? Stare at the C:\> prompt and tremble? > > What were you trying to install? > > g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 06:09:39 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:09:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: <200302240554.AAA29940@rtccom.net> Message-ID: > Compiling stuff is a pain for non-programmers like myself......I have > probably less than a 30% success rate. :( It's to the point where if I see a > program I want but it's only distributed as source, I often don't bother. > ?! ./configure make (su to root) make-install Where's the problem? g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 09:03:03 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:03:03 -0800 Subject: [simpits-chat] F-16 throttle linkage Message-ID: <001001c2dbe3$8a30fa80$cebc1ad0@betty> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2405041817&category=26439 some lucky person will get this item, some one on this list is my suspicion. There happens to be two of these on auction at this time. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 12:37:33 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:37:33 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: >Dude. What a *lame* excuse. Unix is _very_ easy to use. What did >you do >before Windows? Stare at the C:\> prompt and tremble? >What were you trying to install? Umm, actually I was very proficient with DOS, probably even more so than Windows. My problem isnt with using a command line, its with having to compile almost everything I get, having the right dependencies, and then having everything work properly when I try to install those dependencies. Along with other things. I had this and other problems with most of the software I tried to work with. For example: I tried to install the Apache webserver once. I went to their website, downloaded the appropriate files, and followed their instructions to the letter on how to install it. Went to the directory I had the new copy installed in, and ran it as per the instructions. It appears to start up fine, no errors. But it doesn't work exactly like it should, and its looking in the wrong directories for the files. Several hours later working with a friend of mine who works exclusively in Unix, we finally figure out that another copy of Apache, which I wasnt even aware was ON my computer, was running. As in, I go to the new apache's bin directory, tell it to run the command for the new apache, and it runs the old one. I dont care how crappy of an os windows is (and it is), I've never had it do anything that backwards before. Dont get me wrong, Unix is miles ahead of windows, I'll agree. But dont go sprouting off about how I'm such an idiot because unix is so easy to use. Its easy to use, sure. And some programs can be a breeze to install. But some, especially non-professional or non-mainstream software, take 10x longer to get installed and working, if you can get it working at all, then a windows counterpart. Now I know that some of the stuff I was working on wouldnt be encountered by most people (various scripting support for the server, for example) but I still found it ridiculously convoluted to get anything to work right. ITs been so long I can't name names really, but I know I spent way more time trying to get things to compile and work than I did actually using them. Besides, there just arent Unix counterparts to some of my fav programs. Brian _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 12:42:19 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:42:19 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: >?! >./configure >make >(su to root) >make-install >Where's the problem? Problem is half the time that doesn't work, you have to screw around with the makefile to get it to work for your specific system, or track down dependencies you don't have and get THEM installed in the right place. And don't get me started on trying to get things working on a system where you dont HAVE SU. RPMs make things nicer, but aren't 100%, either. That's another one of my problems that I forgot to mention, about how system-dependent everything is. There are so many distros out there and so many programs need adjustments to work on one they aren't coded specifically for, and most people (including myself) just dont want to screw with it, they want to install their program and run it. The only time that should be taken is the time it takes for the install program to copy the files over, IMHO. But I've never seen a program with so much as an install script, even. It seems like such a simple concept, make a small program to install software. But noone in the *nix world seems to want to do that for their software. Probably because they know it wouldnt work 90% of the time, because there would be some adjustment to make. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 12:47:26 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:47:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Brian Sikkema wrote: > >Dude. What a *lame* excuse. Unix is _very_ easy to use. What did >you do > >before Windows? Stare at the C:\> prompt and tremble? > > >What were you trying to install? > > Umm, actually I was very proficient with DOS, probably even more so than > Windows. My problem isnt with using a command line, its with having to > compile almost everything I get, having the right dependencies, and then > having everything work properly when I try to install those dependencies. > Along with other things. I had this and other problems with most of the > software I tried to work with. For example: > Unix will always find a way to bite you on the ass. Nobody and I mean NOBODY can call themselves a true unix master imho. I run a gazillion linux boxes as web servers, mail servers etc etc but Windoze for all its faults is still my best choice for my desktop machine. 2c please. Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 12:47:15 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Erwin Neyt) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:47:15 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B701908145@URANUS> That's why most people pay Bill some money and get a nice OS. *duck* Erwin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Sikkema [mailto:hangr18@hotmail.com] > Sent: maandag 24 februari 2003 13:42 > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Tech... > > > >?! > > >./configure > > >make > > >(su to root) > > >make-install > > > >Where's the problem? > > Problem is half the time that doesn't work, you have to screw > around with > the makefile to get it to work for your specific system, or > track down > dependencies you don't have and get THEM installed in the > right place. And > don't get me started on trying to get things working on a > system where you > dont HAVE SU. RPMs make things nicer, but aren't 100%, either. That's > another one of my problems that I forgot to mention, about how > system-dependent everything is. There are so many distros out > there and so > many programs need adjustments to work on one they aren't > coded specifically > for, and most people (including myself) just dont want to > screw with it, > they want to install their program and run it. The only time > that should be > taken is the time it takes for the install program to copy > the files over, > IMHO. But I've never seen a program with so much as an > install script, even. > It seems like such a simple concept, make a small program to install > software. But noone in the *nix world seems to want to do > that for their > software. Probably because they know it wouldnt work 90% of the time, > because there would be some adjustment to make. > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 12:49:59 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:49:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Problem is half the time that doesn't work, you have to screw around with > the makefile to get it to work for your specific system, or track down > dependencies you don't have and get THEM installed in the right place. And > don't get me started on trying to get things working on a system where you > dont HAVE SU. RPMs make things nicer, but aren't 100%, either. That's > another one of my problems that I forgot to mention, about how > system-dependent everything is. There are so many distros out there and so > many programs need adjustments to work on one they aren't coded specifically > for, and most people (including myself) just dont want to screw with it, > they want to install their program and run it. The only time that should be > taken is the time it takes for the install program to copy the files over, > IMHO. But I've never seen a program with so much as an install script, even. > It seems like such a simple concept, make a small program to install > software. But noone in the *nix world seems to want to do that for their > software. Probably because they know it wouldnt work 90% of the time, > because there would be some adjustment to make. > These days I find most software happily follows the now almost standard ./configure make make install It can be a bitch when one package depends on another, which needs another and so on - pain in the ass. Unix is still too complicated to get folks to switch from windows. Crappy installers and a directory tree that is ridiculously outdated and over complicated. One day, maybe one day it'll finally get reworked. Another 2c please. Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 13:01:16 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Ben Jones) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:01:16 +0800 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... References: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B701908145@URANUS> Message-ID: <004001c2dc04$d4a68d20$4600640a@primary> if i can turn on my computers flick the switch on my hub, plug my mates computer into the hub and double click on search network, and his entire contents appear on my computer screen .......whell i think it wins hands down .......Yes i am a old dos man but windows has it advantages ! ben bjones@pipecomp.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Neyt" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Tech... > That's why most people pay Bill some money and get a nice OS. > > *duck* > > Erwin. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Sikkema [mailto:hangr18@hotmail.com] > > Sent: maandag 24 februari 2003 13:42 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Tech... > > > > > > >?! > > > > >./configure > > > > >make > > > > >(su to root) > > > > >make-install > > > > > > >Where's the problem? > > > > Problem is half the time that doesn't work, you have to screw > > around with > > the makefile to get it to work for your specific system, or > > track down > > dependencies you don't have and get THEM installed in the > > right place. And > > don't get me started on trying to get things working on a > > system where you > > dont HAVE SU. RPMs make things nicer, but aren't 100%, either. That's > > another one of my problems that I forgot to mention, about how > > system-dependent everything is. There are so many distros out > > there and so > > many programs need adjustments to work on one they aren't > > coded specifically > > for, and most people (including myself) just dont want to > > screw with it, > > they want to install their program and run it. The only time > > that should be > > taken is the time it takes for the install program to copy > > the files over, > > IMHO. But I've never seen a program with so much as an > > install script, even. > > It seems like such a simple concept, make a small program to install > > software. But noone in the *nix world seems to want to do > > that for their > > software. Probably because they know it wouldnt work 90% of the time, > > because there would be some adjustment to make. > > > > Brian > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-chat > > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 14:59:39 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Erwin Neyt) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:59:39 +0100 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B701908146@URANUS> Gene, My back starts to hurt. Can I stand up now? Erwin :))) > -----Original Message----- > From: Erwin Neyt > Sent: maandag 24 februari 2003 13:47 > To: 'simpits-chat@simpits.org' > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Tech... > > > That's why most people pay Bill some money and get a nice OS. > > *duck* > > Erwin. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Sikkema [mailto:hangr18@hotmail.com] > > Sent: maandag 24 februari 2003 13:42 > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Tech... > > > > > > >?! > > > > >./configure > > > > >make > > > > >(su to root) > > > > >make-install > > > > > > >Where's the problem? > > > > Problem is half the time that doesn't work, you have to screw > > around with > > the makefile to get it to work for your specific system, or > > track down > > dependencies you don't have and get THEM installed in the > > right place. And > > don't get me started on trying to get things working on a > > system where you > > dont HAVE SU. RPMs make things nicer, but aren't 100%, > either. That's > > another one of my problems that I forgot to mention, about how > > system-dependent everything is. There are so many distros out > > there and so > > many programs need adjustments to work on one they aren't > > coded specifically > > for, and most people (including myself) just dont want to > > screw with it, > > they want to install their program and run it. The only time > > that should be > > taken is the time it takes for the install program to copy > > the files over, > > IMHO. But I've never seen a program with so much as an > > install script, even. > > It seems like such a simple concept, make a small program > to install > > software. But noone in the *nix world seems to want to do > > that for their > > software. Probably because they know it wouldnt work 90% of > the time, > > because there would be some adjustment to make. > > > > Brian > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-chat > > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:15:36 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:15:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I tried to install the Apache webserver once. I went to their website, > downloaded the appropriate files, and followed their instructions to the > letter on how to install it. Went to the directory I had the new copy > installed in, and ran it as per the instructions. It appears to start up > fine, no errors. But it doesn't work exactly like it should, and its looking > in the wrong directories for the files. Several hours later working with a No, it was looking in the directories it was configured to look in. I know, I've built it from sources many times. > friend of mine who works exclusively in Unix, we finally figure out that > another copy of Apache, which I wasnt even aware was ON my computer, was > running. As in, I go to the new apache's bin directory, tell it to run the > command for the new apache, and it runs the old one. I dont care how crappy > of an os windows is (and it is), I've never had it do anything that > backwards before. > Hehe. It was doing what you told it, not what you *meant*. :) > Dont get me wrong, Unix is miles ahead of windows, I'll agree. But dont go > sprouting off about how I'm such an idiot because unix is so easy to use. I didn't call you an idiot, I said your excuse was lame. :) > did actually using them. Besides, there just arent Unix counterparts to some > of my fav programs. > Like what? g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:14:10 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:14:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > did actually using them. Besides, there just arent Unix counterparts to some > > of my fav programs. > > > Like what? > reboot.com restart.exe startallover.bat yetanotherreboot.com etc etc etc From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:22:29 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:22:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Problem is half the time that doesn't work, you have to screw around with > the makefile to get it to work for your specific system, or track down > dependencies you don't have and get THEM installed in the right place. And > don't get me started on trying to get things working on a system where you > dont HAVE SU. RPMs make things nicer, but aren't 100%, either. That's 1. I've *never* had a configure & make fail for any reason other than my lack of RTFM. 2. If you don't have root access (su), you should try installing software on that machine anyway. It's not yours. :) > software. But noone in the *nix world seems to want to do that for their > software. Probably because they know it wouldnt work 90% of the time, > because there would be some adjustment to make. > Man, what an attitude. Did you get mugged by SCO Unix reseller or something? Your arguments come right from the Book of FUD, not fact. FYI, Borland Kylix (Delphi & BCB++ Linux) comes with a very nice installer and worked as expected on a system (Mandrake) that wasn't on the "approved" list. g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:27:13 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > These days I find most software happily follows the now almost standard > ./configure > make > make install > > It can be a bitch when one package depends on another, which needs another > and so on - pain in the ass. > I've _yet_ to see one of those package dependantcies(sp) not listed in the install documentation. If you have a problem, it's because you didn't RTFM. > Unix is still too complicated to get folks to switch from windows. Crappy > installers and a directory tree that is ridiculously outdated and over > complicated. One day, maybe one day it'll finally get reworked. > It'll never become that mainstream unfortunately. People are too damn lazy to bother with something that might make them think for once. If they can't have it done for them, it's not worth doing. Pfft. g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:21:58 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > FYI, Borland Kylix (Delphi & BCB++ Linux) comes with a very nice installer > and worked as expected on a system (Mandrake) that wasn't on the > "approved" list. > Mandrake? ewww... Debian is MUCH MUCH better. ### ### System Report: Unusual SAME O/S flame war invoked. Hans Blix informed. ### Press SPACE once to quit or twice to continue... From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:29:23 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:29:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: <94F5FC70101ED311A57A00C095FAD9B701908146@URANUS> Message-ID: No. g. :) On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Erwin Neyt wrote: > Gene, > > My back starts to hurt. Can I stand up now? > > Erwin :))) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Erwin Neyt > > Sent: maandag 24 februari 2003 13:47 > > To: 'simpits-chat@simpits.org' > > Subject: RE: [simpits-chat] Tech... > > > > > > That's why most people pay Bill some money and get a nice OS. > > > > *duck* > > > > Erwin. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Brian Sikkema [mailto:hangr18@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: maandag 24 februari 2003 13:42 > > > To: simpits-chat@simpits.org > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Tech... > > > > > > > > > >?! > > > > > > >./configure > > > > > > >make > > > > > > >(su to root) > > > > > > >make-install > > > > > > > > > >Where's the problem? > > > > > > Problem is half the time that doesn't work, you have to screw > > > around with > > > the makefile to get it to work for your specific system, or > > > track down > > > dependencies you don't have and get THEM installed in the > > > right place. And > > > don't get me started on trying to get things working on a > > > system where you > > > dont HAVE SU. RPMs make things nicer, but aren't 100%, > > either. That's > > > another one of my problems that I forgot to mention, about how > > > system-dependent everything is. There are so many distros out > > > there and so > > > many programs need adjustments to work on one they aren't > > > coded specifically > > > for, and most people (including myself) just dont want to > > > screw with it, > > > they want to install their program and run it. The only time > > > that should be > > > taken is the time it takes for the install program to copy > > > the files over, > > > IMHO. But I've never seen a program with so much as an > > > install script, even. > > > It seems like such a simple concept, make a small program > > to install > > > software. But noone in the *nix world seems to want to do > > > that for their > > > software. Probably because they know it wouldnt work 90% of > > the time, > > > because there would be some adjustment to make. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > simpits-chat mailing list > > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpit> s-chat > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > simpits-chat mailing list > > simpits-chat@simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:24:04 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:24:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > I've _yet_ to see one of those package dependantcies(sp) not listed in the > install documentation. If you have a problem, it's because you didn't > RTFM. Very true. But then I (like everyone else) only RTFM afterwards! > > Unix is still too complicated to get folks to switch from windows. Crappy > > installers and a directory tree that is ridiculously outdated and over > > complicated. One day, maybe one day it'll finally get reworked. > > > It'll never become that mainstream unfortunately. People are too damn > lazy to bother with something that might make them think for once. If > they can't have it done for them, it's not worth doing. Pfft. Hmmm, true - but to get *nix accepted by the lazy majority, it does need a major rethink imho. Bear in mind that for most people, a computer is a tool - they don't wanna become computer wizards just to write a letter. Royyy. (No 2c this time, but you got an extra 2 y's) From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:43:40 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:43:40 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: >It was doing what you told it, not what you *meant*. :) See, when I go into a programs directory in Windows, and say run "blah.exe" it doesnt run some random blah.exe it found somewhere else. In this case it was most decidedly NOT doing what I told it to do. >Like what? Orbiter, for starts. Hitman and H2. Trillian, sorta (I could get it running with Wine, but it wasn't perfect). Etc etc. Anything that could play DivX (a HUGE downside for me, and another several dozen hours down the drain). Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:51:56 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:51:56 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: >1. I've *never* had a configure & make fail for any reason other than >my >lack of RTFM. Lucky you! I have. Maybe every program I've tried to install in linux has been a complete pile of crap, but I've read manuals backwards fowards and upside down that didn't help me a damn bit. >2. If you don't have root access (su), you should try installing >software >on that machine anyway. It's not yours. :) Erm, shell access? I'm currently running a mud on a host company, by default the computer isn't mine, but I'm using it to install software and run it. Also my shell at school, I'm allowed to use programs on that as well. >FYI, Borland Kylix (Delphi & BCB++ Linux) comes with a very nice >?>installer and worked as expected on a system (Mandrake) that wasn't on > >the "approved" list. Again, lucky you. I've never used these programs, I'm sure they work great. I can't off the top of my head think of any linux software I've worked with that had an installer of any sort. So aparently you're just a lucky bastard, because I read the install instructions carefully for every bit of software I've ever used in linux, because I know I won't even be able to begin if I dont. I try to get the dependencies squared away every time. And I've still had problems up the ass. I still have linux on my computer, and I still use it for some things, but it takes waaaaaay too much time and energy to use it as my everyday OS. Besides, I watch movies too often, and I'm not about to try to get a movie player working again, that already killed too many brain cells. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 15:52:04 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:52:04 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c2dc1c$ad99d490$1401a8c0@theiceberg> Now-now boys Brian, Gene--go to your rooms, you're both in time-out ;-) Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-chat-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:44 AM To: simpits-chat@simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Tech... >It was doing what you told it, not what you *meant*. :) See, when I go into a programs directory in Windows, and say run "blah.exe" it doesnt run some random blah.exe it found somewhere else. In this case it was most decidedly NOT doing what I told it to do. >Like what? Orbiter, for starts. Hitman and H2. Trillian, sorta (I could get it running with Wine, but it wasn't perfect). Etc etc. Anything that could play DivX (a HUGE downside for me, and another several dozen hours down the drain). Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 16:06:15 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:06:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > See, when I go into a programs directory in Windows, and say run "blah.exe" > it doesnt run some random blah.exe it found somewhere else. In this case it > was most decidedly NOT doing what I told it to do. > Yes it was. The program you told it to execute was in your search path. The program you _wanted_ to execute was not. If you want to run a specific program, say one in the directory you're in, you use ./program - the "./" forces the shell to skip searching your path for the program. > >Like what? > > Orbiter, for starts. Hitman and H2. Trillian, sorta (I could get it running > with Wine, but it wasn't perfect). Etc etc. Anything that could play DivX (a > HUGE downside for me, and another several dozen hours down the drain). Orbiter can be used with WineX, same with most other games. I think there is a DivX decoder for Linux now. g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 16:47:15 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:47:15 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... Message-ID: >If you want to run a specific program, say one in the directory you're >in, >you use ./program - the "./" forces the shell to skip searching your path >for the program. See, that's a bass-ackwards way of doing things. The first thing done SHOULD be to look at the directory I'm in, THEN go to the search path if it can't find it. Sounds logical to me... I know that's what the problem is, as I mentioned we figured out eventually that there was another install hiding somewhere that I was completely unaware of. But it's just backwards, and without knowing about the other install there was really no way to tell right off the bat that thats what it was doing. >Orbiter can be used with WineX Have you tried it? If its true I'd be excited, but I know there's a few people on the Orbiter forum who want to get it running in linux, and I haven't heard anyone say they've gotten it running yet. How about performance? I know Wine can usually get things pretty close, but as I mentioned with Trillian, usually there are problems and performance issues. I'd never expect anything to work 100% with Wine. >I think there is a DivX decoder for Linux now. Oh there is, but as I mentioned, I spent many hours trying to get an appropriate movie player and the codec installed and working properly, and it never happened. I don't feel like doing it again. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Mon Feb 24 23:38:34 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:38:34 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302242330.SAA17844@rtccom.net> On Monday 24 February 2003 11:47, you wrote: > >If you want to run a specific program, say one in the directory you're > > >in, you use ./program - the "./" forces the shell to skip searching your > > path for the program. > > See, that's a bass-ackwards way of doing things. The first thing done > SHOULD be to look at the directory I'm in, THEN go to the search path if it > can't find it. Sounds logical to me... I know that's what the problem is, > as I mentioned we figured out eventually that there was another install > hiding somewhere that I was completely unaware of. But it's just backwards, > and without knowing about the other install there was really no way to tell > right off the bat that thats what it was doing. Actually it makes sense this way. If for instance you have a common program that you run a lot, you can simply type in its name and you don't have to worry about a file of the same name in your current directory running instead. If, OTOH, you want to run that particular file, just drop in the "./". Hey I am actually learning from this, I was not aware of exactly what all was going on with the "./" and why some programs needed it and others did not. -Matt Bailey From simpits-chat@simpits.org Tue Feb 25 00:08:00 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:08:00 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] Tech... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302250000.TAA22540@rtccom.net> That's great when it works, but it often doesn't work. Sometimes the needed commands are different but that's no big deal, just read the docs. First there's the dependency problem.......an inherent issue with non-standard software I guess. Usually the dependencies are listed somewhere, but getting them all installed is not necessarily a sure thing. For instance, the other day I was trying to install an RPM (not even compiling). It needed some libraries. I went ahead and installed anyway, then went library hunting. I found the library, but it wants another package. This cascading effect usually means I never get the program installed. I have to go find the software, download it (not a trivial matter on a 56k) and install it. I have to load my computer up with software, for a project that may or may not work. When the trail of dependencies starts getting long, that program is gone. A number of times I've downloaded source code which keeps asking for files during compile. I keep going back to my Mandrake software manager to get the library it needs, or get the library from the net, finally it looks like I've got everything it needs. Then the compile fails, for no reason I can discern. I tried editing a makefile once, I was a bit lost. I think I made some progress on the file itself, but I really did not know what I was doing. Never got that software compiled properly. It probably sounds like I am down on Linux, I am not. I am using it as my main (currently ONLY) OS, it's rock solid, and I've gotten it to the point where it's easy to use for everyday stuff, I am quite comfortable with it. In fact I'd say it's less troublesome than Windows for everyday stuff. But I am pretty much locked into software that has RPMs for my distro, or nice software like Racer that you just extract from a tar and run........man I LOVE those programs, they are just like DOS stuff: extract one file, you know exactly where everything is, and you can run the app right from what is extracted. I have found Linux to be *very* robust, customizable, and modular. It feels like MY computer, not MS's. -Matt Bailey On Monday 24 February 2003 01:09, you wrote: > > Compiling stuff is a pain for non-programmers like myself......I have > > probably less than a 30% success rate. :( It's to the point where if I > > see a program I want but it's only distributed as source, I often don't > > bother. > > ?! > > ./configure > > make > > (su to root) > > make-install > > > Where's the problem? > > g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 05:14:16 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:14:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! Message-ID: If your misconfigured mail server at work barfs *again*, the test binaries are at: http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/DeltaFlyer.exe and DeltaFlyer2.exe g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 09:05:53 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:05:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > If your misconfigured mail server at work barfs *again*, the test binaries > are at: > > http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/DeltaFlyer.exe and DeltaFlyer2.exe > Given the gazillions of crap we get via email, I think they've now banned attached executables completely. Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 09:17:47 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:17:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And installing the 1.3.1 msi file seems to have solved the problem. Phidgets WORK :) Damn... I'll have to be happy for a while now! Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 09:49:01 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:49:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Help ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know its way OT but would any of you with a minute to spare please tell me if you can see the following web site. http://www.inretail.co.uk Thanks, Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 09:51:34 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Ido Dekkers) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:51:34 +0200 Subject: [simpits-chat] Help ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: see it , just a litle slow Ido Roy Coates To Sent by: simpits-chat@simpits.org simpits-chat-admi cc n@simpits.org Subject [simpits-chat] Help ? 02/27/2003 11:49 AM Please respond to simpits-chat@simp its.org I know its way OT but would any of you with a minute to spare please tell me if you can see the following web site. http://www.inretail.co.uk Thanks, Roy. _______________________________________________ simpits-chat mailing list simpits-chat@simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 09:54:13 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:54:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Help ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Ido Dekkers wrote: > > see it , just a litle slow > > Ido Very many thanks - getting reports it cannot be found, but all sites I personally have access to are having no problem at all. Weird! Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:23:21 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:23:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > If your misconfigured mail server at work barfs *again*, the test binaries > > are at: > > > > http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/DeltaFlyer.exe and DeltaFlyer2.exe > > > > Given the gazillions of crap we get via email, I think they've now banned > attached executables completely. > Asshats. Tell 'em to do their damn jobs instead of being lazy and blocking whole classes of data. Pfttt. g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:25:14 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:25:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Help ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Works for me. g. On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Roy Coates wrote: > > > I know its way OT but would any of you with a minute to spare please tell > me if you can see the following web site. > > http://www.inretail.co.uk > > Thanks, > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:24:19 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:24:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > And installing the 1.3.1 msi file seems to have solved the problem. > > Phidgets WORK :) > > > Damn... I'll have to be happy for a while now! > > Roy. w00T! Glad to hear it! g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:18:42 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:18:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Given the gazillions of crap we get via email, I think they've now banned > > attached executables completely. > > > Asshats. Tell 'em to do their damn jobs instead of being lazy and > blocking whole classes of data. Pfttt. > Why don't YOU... I have to work here! R. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:20:09 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:20:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Help ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > Works for me. > Thanks. These people will NOT accept that their firewall is buggered beyond hope. dirty side = success! clean side = no web. I'm surrounded by numpties! R. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:20:38 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:20:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > And installing the 1.3.1 msi file seems to have solved the problem. > > > > Phidgets WORK :) > > > > > > Damn... I'll have to be happy for a while now! > > > > Roy. > > w00T! Glad to hear it! > AND I just found a 360' servo... only 75 bucks a pop... oops. Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:54:18 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:54:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > Given the gazillions of crap we get via email, I think they've now banned > > > attached executables completely. > > > > > Asshats. Tell 'em to do their damn jobs instead of being lazy and > > blocking whole classes of data. Pfttt. > > > > Why don't YOU... I have to work here! > Oh, well in that case, why don't *you* fix it? :) g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:55:57 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:55:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > And installing the 1.3.1 msi file seems to have solved the problem. > > > > > > Phidgets WORK :) > > > > > > > > > Damn... I'll have to be happy for a while now! > > > > > > Roy. > > > > w00T! Glad to hear it! > > > > AND I just found a 360' servo... only 75 bucks a pop... oops. You'll spend less if you just 2:1 gear the output. g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 15:55:17 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:55:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Help ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Thanks. > > These people will NOT accept that their firewall is buggered beyond hope. > > dirty side = success! > clean side = no web. > > > I'm surrounded by numpties! > Sheesh, I could've told you that. :) g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 16:44:46 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:44:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > Why don't YOU... I have to work here! > > > Oh, well in that case, why don't *you* fix it? :) > simple. becuase I would have blacklisted all og japan, korea, aol, hotmail and a shedload of others. I am a certified BAFH From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 16:48:20 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:48:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > AND I just found a 360' servo... only 75 bucks a pop... oops. > > You'll spend less if you just 2:1 gear the output. > Just ordered a big bucket of gears dude - I'm not THAT mad! oh, and I'll be casting some bezels in resin this weekend, will let you know how that goes. Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 16:55:10 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:55:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > Why don't YOU... I have to work here! > > > > > Oh, well in that case, why don't *you* fix it? :) > > > > simple. becuase I would have blacklisted all og japan, korea, aol, hotmail > and a shedload of others. > Actually, just block 200. and 211. and you'll cut 99% of the crap out. :) g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 17:06:04 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:06:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > AND I just found a 360' servo... only 75 bucks a pop... oops. > > > > You'll spend less if you just 2:1 gear the output. > > > > Just ordered a big bucket of gears dude - I'm not THAT mad! > > oh, and I'll be casting some bezels in resin this weekend, will let you > know how that goes. > Cool. Don't forget pics. :) g. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 17:01:23 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:01:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > oh, and I'll be casting some bezels in resin this weekend, will let you > > know how that goes. > > > > Cool. Don't forget pics. :) Plan is to make a plaster of paris cast from a genuine item, then make resin copies from it. Cheap, cheerful, easy to work and pretty robust. Yes, will do the piccy thing. Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 18:09:33 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:09:33 +1300 Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030228070822.035c0d50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 05:01 PM 2/27/03 +0000, you wrote: >On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > oh, and I'll be casting some bezels in resin this weekend, will let you > > > know how that goes. > > > > > > > Cool. Don't forget pics. :) > >Plan is to make a plaster of paris cast from a genuine item, then make >resin copies from it. Cheap, cheerful, easy to work and pretty robust. Why not use RTV casting rubber? Finer detail and waaaaay easier to pop out the resin afterwards... Sean From simpits-chat@simpits.org Thu Feb 27 18:13:46 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:13:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030228070822.035c0d50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Sean Galbraith wrote: > >Plan is to make a plaster of paris cast from a genuine item, then make > >resin copies from it. Cheap, cheerful, easy to work and pretty robust. > > Why not use RTV casting rubber? Finer detail and waaaaay easier to pop out > the resin afterwards... When I can find some - I probably will. The PoP is just a tester. Incidentally, simkits actually sell 2 sizes of bezel if you're not inclined to make your own. > Sean close to the edge> Ah, a local boy eh? ;) Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 00:17:41 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:17:41 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab Message-ID: Hey Guys, I've made a "virtual tour" for the lab I work at to try and explain it to some of my friends. Thought some of you might be interested as well: http://www.me.mtu.edu/~bjsikkem/ASPL/ BTW, little background, the Advanced Space Propulsion Lab at Michigan Tech is a lab devoted to testing Ion Thrusters and the various systems associated with them. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 03:16:56 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:16:56 +1300 Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030228070822.035c0d50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030228161450.00a56ec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> > > > > Why not use RTV casting rubber? Finer detail and waaaaay easier to pop out > > the resin afterwards... > >When I can find some - I probably will. The PoP is just a tester. Have you seen that reusable RTV stuff? I'm messed around with it, and it aint bad, plus is you can do one-off's with it and not feel guilty for wasting the stuff :) > > Sean > close to the edge> > >Ah, a local boy eh? ;) Nope, the other edge Sean. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 03:41:03 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:41:03 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200302280332.WAA26084@rtccom.net> On Thursday 27 February 2003 19:17, you wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I've made a "virtual tour" for the lab I work at to try and explain it to > some of my friends. Thought some of you might be interested as well: Ya mean we're not your friends? :) > http://www.me.mtu.edu/~bjsikkem/ASPL/ > > BTW, little background, the Advanced Space Propulsion Lab at Michigan Tech > is a lab devoted to testing Ion Thrusters and the various systems > associated with them. > > Brian Cooooool.........so the tank is basically a test stand? -Matt Bailey From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 03:38:13 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Chris Woodul) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:38:13 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab References: <200302280332.WAA26084@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <000501c2deda$d2d6e250$10997444@cm29940a> Hi Brian, Cool lab, tell me more about Ion Thrusters. How does one work? Does your lab maintain a vacuum or near vacuum in the test cell? By the way, I am getting a complete T-37 simulator and have to dispose of four more for a friend of mine. Know any one who wants/needs one? Chris PS I love all this off topic talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ; ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bailey" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab > On Thursday 27 February 2003 19:17, you wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > > > I've made a "virtual tour" for the lab I work at to try and explain it to > > some of my friends. Thought some of you might be interested as well: > > Ya mean we're not your friends? :) > > > http://www.me.mtu.edu/~bjsikkem/ASPL/ > > > > BTW, little background, the Advanced Space Propulsion Lab at Michigan Tech > > is a lab devoted to testing Ion Thrusters and the various systems > > associated with them. > > > > Brian > > Cooooool.........so the tank is basically a test stand? > > -Matt Bailey > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 03:47:19 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Sean Galbraith) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:47:19 +1300 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab In-Reply-To: <000501c2deda$d2d6e250$10997444@cm29940a> References: <200302280332.WAA26084@rtccom.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030228164459.0280fa10@pop3.paradise.net.nz> >By the way, I am getting a complete T-37 simulator and have to dispose of >four more for a friend of mine. Know any one who wants/needs one? Ohhhh... pick me...if I lived in the right HEMISPHERE! >Chris > >PS I love all this off topic talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >; ) Wot! You don't like never_ending "LED soldering" threads!??! Sean. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 03:47:04 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:47:04 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab Message-ID: >Cooooool.........so the tank is basically a test stand? Basically. One of the things about ion thrusters is they have to be in vacuum to even operate. I don't know if I mentioned it on the page or not, but it takes us on the order of 6 hours to completely pump that tank down to an acceptable vacuum! It really is one of the largest in the nation, the only schools I know of for sure that have larger are Princeton, which is mariginally larger, and UofM, which has a fricking MASSIVE tank. 6M tall by 9M long, roughly. HUGE. I got to tour their facility last October, which was the first time I had ever seen an ion thruster (one just like the one on Deep Space One). Theirs doesn't really count, though, because the only reason they have it was because the building it was in was donated by Bendix-King aviation, and it cost less to get it working again than it did to take it out of the building. Their tank was actually used in the Apollo program for testing large components, and I believe even the lunar rover was tested in it at one time. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 03:57:42 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:57:42 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab Message-ID: >Cool lab, tell me more about Ion Thrusters. How does one work? Well this is going to be a very simplified explenation, because I only understand it very simply ;) But basically what it does is this: The thruster consists of 2 parts, the anode and the cathode. In the pics the anode is the larger box-shaped part on the bottom, and the cathode is the little cylander mounted on the top. The thruster takes the fuel, in our case Krypton, and barrages it with a field of electrons, which ionizes the Krypton, giving it a negative charge. When the Krypton has a negative charge, it is repelled from the field of electrons, and by propelling it out the back thrust is produced. Again, just a very simple explenation, but I'm learning much of this myself. And I'm just an undergrad wrench monkey, so I'm not required to have as in-depth an understanding as the grad students who are doing the research. >Does your lab maintain a vacuum or near vacuum in the test cell? Yes, when we want to run the thruster we have to have it in as close to a perfect vacuum as we can get, to the point where we're basically counting the number of particles left in the tank. We bring it down to vacuum using a mechanical pump, until it can't pump anymore, at which point we turn on the cryopump. That isn't really a pump in the traditional sense of the word, its just a set of liquid nitrogen-cooled vanes, so that when we cool them down, any remaining particles in the tank will eventually bounce around and hit them, freezing to the vanes instantly and therefore stop bouncing around the chamber, which is of course the definition of a vacuum, no particles bouncing around. And when I say counting particles, I mean it. We get to the point where traditional pressure sensors dont do squat. In the picture of the back of the tank, you may notice something that kinda looks like a vacuum tube sticking off the side. That's our very-low pressure sensor. The way it works (if I remember correctly) is it shoots a beam into the tank, and senses when the beam is broken. In this way we can figure out how much "stuff" is left in the tank. >By the way, I am getting a complete T-37 simulator and have to dispose of >four more for a friend of mine. Know any one who wants/needs one? *pout* I want one! :( Define "dispose." If you mean "Throw at" I might be able to talk the detachment cadre into taking one. Maybe. If you mean sell, well, I dunno. Not us. I'd really love one, though, its a beautiful plane. Brian _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 04:13:53 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Chris Woodul) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:13:53 -0600 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab References: Message-ID: <000c01c2dedf$d6386a90$10997444@cm29940a> That is a great description of your lab and the process.....sorry you had to answer the vacuum question twice, but I figured before I read your other reply, that a "space" environment would be a neccesity. I would love to see the data that you guys get out of that stuff. I like interesting and new technologies. As for the T-37 sims, I dont know what they will go for, I dont think it is actually too much. I know I am going to dispose of the original mainframe computers that drive them, and replace it using PC and epic via the master Matt Wietlespach.......and yes Sean, I laughed at your LED comment refering back to my sinister remark when I came back here....LOL... ; ) Ill be sure to send out some pictures of this stuff as soon as it hits. My F-16 cockpit trainer and the Two new ACES II seats will be in, in about 1 1/2 weeks. I will post pictures of them as well. I know that Crease Guard is gonna come by and take some measurements. Take care ..... and Solder on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sikkema" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab > >Cool lab, tell me more about Ion Thrusters. How does one work? > Well this is going to be a very simplified explenation, because I only > understand it very simply ;) But basically what it does is this: > The thruster consists of 2 parts, the anode and the cathode. In the pics the > anode is the larger box-shaped part on the bottom, and the cathode is the > little cylander mounted on the top. The thruster takes the fuel, in our case > Krypton, and barrages it with a field of electrons, which ionizes the > Krypton, giving it a negative charge. When the Krypton has a negative > charge, it is repelled from the field of electrons, and by propelling it out > the back thrust is produced. > > Again, just a very simple explenation, but I'm learning much of this myself. > And I'm just an undergrad wrench monkey, so I'm not required to have as > in-depth an understanding as the grad students who are doing the research. > > > >Does your lab maintain a vacuum or near vacuum in the test cell? > Yes, when we want to run the thruster we have to have it in as close to a > perfect vacuum as we can get, to the point where we're basically counting > the number of particles left in the tank. We bring it down to vacuum using a > mechanical pump, until it can't pump anymore, at which point we turn on the > cryopump. That isn't really a pump in the traditional sense of the word, its > just a set of liquid nitrogen-cooled vanes, so that when we cool them down, > any remaining particles in the tank will eventually bounce around and hit > them, freezing to the vanes instantly and therefore stop bouncing around the > chamber, which is of course the definition of a vacuum, no particles > bouncing around. > > And when I say counting particles, I mean it. We get to the point where > traditional pressure sensors dont do squat. In the picture of the back of > the tank, you may notice something that kinda looks like a vacuum tube > sticking off the side. That's our very-low pressure sensor. The way it works > (if I remember correctly) is it shoots a beam into the tank, and senses when > the beam is broken. In this way we can figure out how much "stuff" is left > in the tank. > > >By the way, I am getting a complete T-37 simulator and have to dispose of > >four more for a friend of mine. Know any one who wants/needs one? > *pout* I want one! :( Define "dispose." If you mean "Throw at" I might be > able to talk the detachment cadre into taking one. Maybe. If you mean sell, > well, I dunno. Not us. I'd really love one, though, its a beautiful plane. > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat > From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 04:20:53 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 04:20:53 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab Message-ID: >That is a great description of your lab and the process..... Thanks! >sorry you had to answer the vacuum question twice, No problem. >I would love to see the data that you guys get out of that stuff. I >like >interesting and new technologies. I'm planning on taking plenty of pictures and video when we get the thruster running for the first time - that will probably be not next week, but the week after. We'll actually be ready next week more than likely, but seeing as I'll be gone for spring break (Patrick, here I come! :) Dr. King has been nice enough to delay it till I get back. And I do mean nice, because there's really nothing I NEED to be there for, I just wanna. And I'm sure he'd like the extra pair of hands. But anyway, definitely expect to hear more ;) Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 04:50:46 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Matt Bailey) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:50:46 -0500 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab In-Reply-To: <000501c2deda$d2d6e250$10997444@cm29940a> References: <200302280332.WAA26084@rtccom.net> <000501c2deda$d2d6e250$10997444@cm29940a> Message-ID: <200302280442.XAA02171@rtccom.net> On Thursday 27 February 2003 22:38, you wrote: > Hi Brian, > > Cool lab, tell me more about Ion Thrusters. How does one work? Does your > lab maintain a vacuum or near vacuum in the test cell? > By the way, I am getting a complete T-37 simulator and have to dispose of > four more for a friend of mine. Know any one who wants/needs one? !!!GASP!!!! What a terrible predicament.....but fear not, I am a kind and generous individual. I can take all four of them off your hands for no more than the price of shipping. ;) -Matt Bailey From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 06:54:01 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:54:01 -0800 Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! References: Message-ID: <05c001c2def6$2d8d47f0$41bc1ad0@betty> The same store that sells model train supplies should carry a latex rubber for you to make molds from as well. It is usually of a lesser quality than the professional stuff but to get a feel for using the stuff and to try out before you commit yourself to the more high price brands and higher quality stuff it works fine. It usually comes in a ghastly green color to keep the kiddies from eating it. yucky... Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > > >Plan is to make a plaster of paris cast from a genuine item, then make > > >resin copies from it. Cheap, cheerful, easy to work and pretty robust. > > > > Why not use RTV casting rubber? Finer detail and waaaaay easier to pop out > > the resin afterwards... > > When I can find some - I probably will. The PoP is just a tester. > > Incidentally, simkits actually sell 2 sizes of bezel if you're not > inclined to make your own. > > > > > Sean > close to the edge> > > Ah, a local boy eh? ;) > > > Roy. > > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 06:56:20 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:56:20 -0800 Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030228070822.035c0d50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <05c601c2def6$7fefd3a0$41bc1ad0@betty> If you are using plaster of paris don't forget to use a slip coating to allow the piece to be removed with some ease. There are a lot of problems when using plaster if you are unfamiliar with using it. Be careful that you don't loose your original in a plaster rock. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Galbraith" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! > At 05:01 PM 2/27/03 +0000, you wrote: > >On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > > > oh, and I'll be casting some bezels in resin this weekend, will let you > > > > know how that goes. > > > > > > > > > > Cool. Don't forget pics. :) > > > >Plan is to make a plaster of paris cast from a genuine item, then make > >resin copies from it. Cheap, cheerful, easy to work and pretty robust. > > Why not use RTV casting rubber? Finer detail and waaaaay easier to pop out > the resin afterwards... > > Sean close to the edge> > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 07:12:04 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:12:04 -0800 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab References: Message-ID: <05d401c2def8$b3148f80$41bc1ad0@betty> What kind of pumping are you doing just standard mechanical pumping or are you getting down to the point where you are having to get in things like titanium getters and such. I have worked with vacuum chambers getting as low as neg 10 Torr and slightly less in the past. From the sounds of the size and the amount of time you may be able to get a low as perhaps a neg. 3 torr at best. We were often having to go into the lab at 5AM to start the rough mechanical stuff then by noon start the titanium deposition pumps so that testing could run from 3 in the afternoon until 7 in the evening. Oh and I forgot to include the gas flushes that were needed as well. Removing Argon from a vacuum is a real pain to say the least. Targeting nitrogen and oxygen atoms was something that only the most skilled scientific marksman should ever try and do. Then try and measure them, their spin the amount of electron volts produced in the collision etc. It has been a long time and you know something I miss it all. And they say science isn't work. Keep in mind the vacuum chamber I was working with was roughly a cylinder about 24 inches tall and having a 20 in diameter. For those of you who have never worked around vacuum equipment it is a fascinating branch of science. Second only to electronics in the number of practical purposes. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sikkema" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab > >Cooooool.........so the tank is basically a test stand? > > Basically. One of the things about ion thrusters is they have to be in > vacuum to even operate. I don't know if I mentioned it on the page or not, > but it takes us on the order of 6 hours to completely pump that tank down to > an acceptable vacuum! It really is one of the largest in the nation, the > only schools I know of for sure that have larger are Princeton, which is > mariginally larger, and UofM, which has a fricking MASSIVE tank. 6M tall by > 9M long, roughly. HUGE. I got to tour their facility last October, which was > the first time I had ever seen an ion thruster (one just like the one on > Deep Space One). Theirs doesn't really count, though, because the only > reason they have it was because the building it was in was donated by > Bendix-King aviation, and it cost less to get it working again than it did > to take it out of the building. Their tank was actually used in the Apollo > program for testing large components, and I believe even the lunar rover was > tested in it at one time. > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 07:24:18 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Rob Hommel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:24:18 -0800 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab References: Message-ID: <05e501c2defa$688a4e80$41bc1ad0@betty> Brian I love the liquid nitrogen containers. I have tried again and again to convince Gene that we need at least one for the lab. My feeling is that no lab is complete without one. I used to have all sorts of marvelous fun with leftovers found in the lab refrigerators at night. The liquid nitrogen was also found to be a very good method for removing ants found in the lab in the springtime. I don't want to tell folks about the dangers involved with working with vacuum the thickness of the wall of your chamber should speak for itself. The wall thickness is a good indicator of how much pressure it can withstand. The number of lab accidents involving vacuum equipment is scary. It's still safer than working around radioactive stuff thankfully. One lab that I worked at when the alarms went off we never knew if it was a fire alarm or radiation leak they used the same alarms. If the door was closed in some areas of the building you didn't enter. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sikkema" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab > Hey Guys, > > I've made a "virtual tour" for the lab I work at to try and explain it to > some of my friends. Thought some of you might be interested as well: > > http://www.me.mtu.edu/~bjsikkem/ASPL/ > > BTW, little background, the Advanced Space Propulsion Lab at Michigan Tech > is a lab devoted to testing Ion Thrusters and the various systems associated > with them. > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > _______________________________________________ > simpits-chat mailing list > simpits-chat@simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-chat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 08:55:42 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:55:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-chat] Hey Roy! In-Reply-To: <05c601c2def6$7fefd3a0$41bc1ad0@betty> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Rob Hommel wrote: > If you are using plaster of paris don't forget to use a slip coating to > allow the piece to be removed with some ease. There are a lot of problems > when using plaster if you are unfamiliar with using it. Be careful that you > don't loose your original in a plaster rock. > That would be a little embarassing ;) Having looked at a couple of instruments I've got. It now looks unlikely that using a real bezel as a template will work. Time to crank up the CNC machine I think. Roy. From simpits-chat@simpits.org Fri Feb 28 13:56:38 2003 From: simpits-chat@simpits.org (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:56:38 +0000 Subject: [simpits-chat] Advance Space Propulsion Lab Message-ID: >What kind of pumping are you doing just standard mechanical pumping or >are >you getting down to the point where you are having to get in >things like >titanium getters and such. We pump down to a rough vacuum with a mechanical pump, and when that stops working, we turn on the cryopump, and just freeze the remaining molocules out. Hence all the liquid nitrogen. Oh, and about your other post, that is something I forgot to mention: The tank is a cylander of 1 1/2" thick (I think) stainless - not only is it a heavy bastard, but it can withstand a ton of pressure. The big, round bolted-on panel on the front side of the tank weighs on the order of 500lbs, if I remember correctly. Not something you'd want to drop on your toe... 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