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<font face="Arial">Hi all,<br>
<br>
I forwarded this message to the group, and not to Peter alone<br>
<br>
Sorry Peter!<br>
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<font face="Arial">But you wrote this email conversation not to the
group, so I skipped the part that is off topic ;-( <br>
But i fI have to delete all mail that is off-topic then there is not
much left ;-)<br>
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<pre>Thanks, Armand.
That was clever, that reference to GEMWEB. I'm glad to see we stay on
topic here. :-)
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<big><font face="Arial"><small>Well, If you can't go on the web with
DOS (any flavour) and GEM (any Flavour) without GEMWEB and TCPIP the
mail in it its whole is not so off-topic at all</small></font></big><br>
<big><font face="Arial"> </font></big><br>
I'd expect that you (in the Netherlands, and probably around Europe in <br>
general) have the choice between cable and some form of DSL, but here
in <br>
Australia that is not so clear-cut. Even in the Sydney suburbs, it is <br>
easy to be too far from the exchange to get ADSL, and sometimes you <br>
don't even get it when you are close enough, because of multiplexing. <br>
And cable hasn't been extended across all of Sydney, either. Some <br>
carriers still offer ISDN for where the other two are unavailable.<br>
<br>
It gets worse outside capital cities where satellite can be the best <br>
option. Do you get The Simpsons in Rotterdam? That episode where Bart <br>
telephones a kid in outback Australia has echoes of reality. Until <br>
fairly recently relatives of mine within 5 or 6 hours' drive of Sydney <br>
were on manual exchanges and had party lines so that half a dozen <br>
neighbours would pick up the phone and answer if you made a call in to <br>
town, so you'd have to say, "Sorry Bill, just calling the proctologist <br>
at Forbes," and they'd hang up.<br>
<br>
<font face="Arial">As for the group: was there any survey how we are
connected to the web?<br>
Modem? (A)DSL or otherwise?<br>
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Incidentally, any country which could produce that hilarious couple of <br>
films about the dysfunctional family moved into an upper class suburb <br>
(was it the Flodder family? Memory is beginning to fade) would surely <br>
appreciate The Simpsons.<br>
<br>
<font face="Arial">Yes it is called the Flodders.<br>
<br>
[snip]<br>
<br>
New part:<br>
As group we admire GEM.<br>
Some of us were (?) writing great programs.<br>
Like GEMWEB (Heinz was if I am not mistaken) is a program of no use if
you don't have HTML-files to read.<br>
The great majority of those files are on the WEB, so you have to have
access to the WEB.<br>
To get acces to the WEB and still want to use GEM you need an OS who's
providing TCP/IP and DOS in any way.<br>
Correct?<br>
<br>
A short list of the above could be:<br>
Windows<br>
OS/2<br>
Linux with a dos box<br>
<br>
In agricultural terms speaking the OS is the horse who's carrying
TCP/IP and GEM.<br>
If you can't saddle the horse with TCP/IP, it's gonna be a tough ride.<br>
<br>
At the moment I'm searching the net for a TCP/IP package for DOS, which
I believe is still the best natural enviroment for GEM.<br>
<br>
If I have found something good I will let you know.<br>
<br>
Have Fun<br>
Armand<br>
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Thanks for the suggestions about the router. I'd managed to get three <br>
computers talking to each other, but was fiddling with Samba with not <br>
entirely satisfactory results. I'll have to get back to that. BigPond <br>
Cable is not entirely LINUX-friendly, either, but, fortunately, enough <br>
people have had problems that there is a pretty large self-help <br>
community now.<br>
<br>
Well, it's bedtime here. Enjoy the day, the rest of you.<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
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<font face="Arial">[snip]</font><br>
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