From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Tue May 8 09:30:51 2012 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details Message-ID: <1336494651.96722.YahooMailClassic@web181512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Dear Developers: As many of you are aware, a TINY new computer exists and is available to the "general public". In case you'd like to know "the details" take a look at: http://www.techspot.com/review/527-raspberry-pi/ . Enjoy! Thomas Clayton From ben at jemmett.me.uk Tue May 8 09:38:57 2012 From: ben at jemmett.me.uk (Ben A L Jemmett) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:38:57 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: <1336494651.96722.YahooMailClassic@web181512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1336494651.96722.YahooMailClassic@web181512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B35D59D4DA5466DA9F38262C34F48AE@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> > As many of you are aware, a TINY new computer exists and is > available to the "general public". In case you'd like to know > "the details" take a look at: > > http://www.techspot.com/review/527-raspberry-pi/ Mine arrived this morning (prompting a dark muttering at Farnell for sending it second-class, my orders usually arrive rather quicker than that!). I don't imagine even thinking about porting GEM to it would be particularly sensible, not that such considerations ever stopped me from thinking about anything -- although I am tempted to try installing DOSbox and installing GEM in that ;) [http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/scratch_pub/08052012181_rc.jpg, for a particularly unedifying photograph of the machine propped up against my tertiary monitor. Those of you who see my occasional outbursts on Twitter and/or Facebook may be sick of this link already, but hey, I got mine so *blows raspberry*! Maybe I'll take a picture with the proper camera later, after I've dusted my desk...] Regards, Ben A L Jemmett. http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/ From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 8 09:47:35 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: <1336494651.96722.YahooMailClassic@web181512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1336494651.96722.YahooMailClassic@web181512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 May 2012, Thomas Clayton wrote: > Dear Developers: > > As many of you are aware, a TINY new computer exists and is available to the "general public". In case you'd like to know "the details" take a look at: > > http://www.techspot.com/review/527-raspberry-pi/ > . Good luck actually getting your hands on one. *grumbles* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 8 09:48:56 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: <6B35D59D4DA5466DA9F38262C34F48AE@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> References: <1336494651.96722.YahooMailClassic@web181512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6B35D59D4DA5466DA9F38262C34F48AE@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 May 2012, Ben A L Jemmett wrote: >> As many of you are aware, a TINY new computer exists and is >> available to the "general public". In case you'd like to know >> "the details" take a look at: >> >> http://www.techspot.com/review/527-raspberry-pi/ > > Mine arrived this morning (prompting a dark muttering at Farnell for sending > it second-class, my orders usually arrive rather quicker than that!). I > don't imagine even thinking about porting GEM to it would be particularly > sensible, not that such considerations ever stopped me from thinking about > anything -- although I am tempted to try installing DOSbox and installing > GEM in that ;) > Ok it's official. You suck. :) Those useless bastards at RS won't even let me order yet! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From ben at jemmett.me.uk Tue May 8 10:03:10 2012 From: ben at jemmett.me.uk (Ben A L Jemmett) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:03:10 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: References: <1336494651.96722.YahooMailClassic@web181512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><6B35D59D4DA5466DA9F38262C34F48AE@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: > Ok it's official. You suck. :) I've been called worse by better ;) (I'm absolutely astounded to have got one of the first 10,000 units -- by the time I managed to actually place my order on launch day I figured I'd be somewhere well down the line, given that I'd been trying to get Farnell's site to pay attention to me on and off all morning before it finally let me log in and stick the item number in the 'quick order on account' box...) > Those useless bastards at RS won't even let me order yet! To be honest, my above comment notwithstanding, RS seem to be handling this better overall from a keeping-people-informed point of view -- they started out with the "get in line, we'll contact you when we have units to ship" schtick and true to their word have been inviting people to actually place orders as and when stock arrived. Farnell seem to have gone for more of an every-man-for-himself approach before finally realising this was an issue and preventing further pre-orders / only allowing 'expressions of interest'. Once the initial rush settles down I imagine they'll be much of a muchness. I'm waiting to see further stats from both disties, just out of morbid curiousity -- so far the closest to hard figures seems to be that they have well over 100,000 pre-orders/registrations of interest each. RS claim the 700 units they received in their first shipment covered orders placed up to 6.01 a.m. on launch day... Regards, Ben A L Jemmett. http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/ From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Tue May 8 10:54:45 2012 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1336499685.23504.YahooMailClassic@web181508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> GREATLY surprised at the quick and numerous responses to my little notice! Pardon me, as someone on the other side of "the pond", could explain WHO R.S. is - and Farnell? (Apparently the latter should be addressed as "infernal Farnell"?) IF R.S. is the maker, pardon my ignorance. (YES! I really CAN read - just didn't bother to - yet.) Farnell, a package delivery service?, like UPS and FedEx in the USA? Lastly, there is a multi-pin header on the board. For WHAT is it there to do? Thanks In Advance. Now, more interestingly to me, there HAD BEEN (beginning development to a "desktop" window system; NO app.s) a version of GEOS specifically for the ARM processor ('of the day') back in the late 1990's. (Nokia PIM? device was (did?) to run this.) I have NO idea whether the code still exists NOR who has "rights" to it. I don't know IF a "DOS" was built-in or whether everything was in ROM. This subject is more appropriate for the Yahoo! GEOS-Talk list but I thought I'd mention it. Thomas Clayton --- On Tue, 5/8/12, Ben A L Jemmett wrote: > From: Ben A L Jemmett > Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details > To: "'GEM Development'" > Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2012, 12:03 PM > > Ok it's official.? You > suck. :) > > I've been called worse by better ;)? (I'm absolutely > astounded to have got > one of the first 10,000 units -- by the time I managed to > actually place my > order on launch day I figured I'd be somewhere well down the > line, given > that I'd been trying to get Farnell's site to pay attention > to me on and off > all morning before it finally let me log in and stick the > item number in the > 'quick order on account' box...) > > > Those useless bastards at RS won't even let me order > yet! > > To be honest, my above comment notwithstanding, RS seem to > be handling this > better overall from a keeping-people-informed point of view > -- they started > out with the "get in line, we'll contact you when we have > units to ship" > schtick and true to their word have been inviting people to > actually place > orders as and when stock arrived.? Farnell seem to have > gone for more of an > every-man-for-himself approach before finally realising this > was an issue > and preventing further pre-orders / only allowing > 'expressions of interest'. > Once the initial rush settles down I imagine they'll be much > of a muchness. > > I'm waiting to see further stats from both disties, just out > of morbid > curiousity -- so far the closest to hard figures seems to be > that they have > well over 100,000 pre-orders/registrations of interest > each.? RS claim the > 700 units they received in their first shipment covered > orders placed up to > 6.01 a.m. on launch day... > > Regards, > Ben A L Jemmett. > http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 8 11:44:55 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: References: <1336494651.96722.YahooMailClassic@web181512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><6B35D59D4DA5466DA9F38262C34F48AE@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 May 2012, Ben A L Jemmett wrote: >> Ok it's official. You suck. :) > > > I'm waiting to see further stats from both disties, just out of morbid > curiousity -- so far the closest to hard figures seems to be that they have > well over 100,000 pre-orders/registrations of interest each. RS claim the > 700 units they received in their first shipment covered orders placed up to > 6.01 a.m. on launch day... > I strongly suspect the interest in this little machine has caught the designers completely by surprise. I just wish they'd hurry up. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From lproven at gmail.com Tue May 8 17:10:23 2012 From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 01:10:23 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: <1336499685.23504.YahooMailClassic@web181508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1336499685.23504.YahooMailClassic@web181508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 2012 18:54, Thomas Clayton wrote: > Pardon me, as someone on the other side of "the pond", could explain WHO R.S. is ?- and Farnell? Rpi is both the device and the maker. Farnell and RS Components are both distributors. Thomas, I know I've asked you before, but once again - can YOU please STOP the EMPHASIS of RANDOM words IN your EMAILS. IT makes THEM very HARD to READ. You really don't need to stress words that would be stressed in spoken English; anyone who can read the language either knows where the stresses would fall or doesn't care. It does not aid comprehension; it makes it considerably harder. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Wed May 9 07:46:32 2012 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1336574792.37839.YahooMailClassic@web181517.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Liam, It may not have made it in or, it went in and then out the other side, previously but this time, I heard you. :-) Tom Clayton BTW, there was / is an article about server OSes ("good old days"?) on one of your 'blogs' somewhere. I've been meaning to find it (again) and share it with my techie friends. I enjoyed it, greatly. I think they will, too. T.C. --- On Tue, 5/8/12, Liam Proven wrote: > From: Liam Proven > Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details > To: "GEM Development" > Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2012, 7:10 PM > On 8 May 2012 18:54, Thomas Clayton > > wrote: > > Pardon me, as someone on the other side of "the pond", > could explain WHO R.S. is ?- and Farnell? > > Rpi is both the device and the maker. > > Farnell and RS Components are both distributors. > > Thomas, I know I've asked you before, but once again - can > YOU please > STOP the EMPHASIS of RANDOM words IN your EMAILS. IT makes > THEM very > HARD to READ. You really don't need to stress words that > would? be > stressed in spoken English; anyone who can read the language > either > knows where the stresses would fall or doesn't care. It does > not aid > comprehension; it makes it considerably harder. > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk > ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven > MSN: lproven at hotmail.com > ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > From lproven at gmail.com Wed May 9 10:00:59 2012 From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:00:59 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: <1336574792.37839.YahooMailClassic@web181517.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1336574792.37839.YahooMailClassic@web181517.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9 May 2012 15:46, Thomas Clayton wrote: > Liam, > > It may not have made it in or, it went in and then out the other side, previously but this time, I heard you. :-) Hurrah! :?) > > BTW, there was / is an article about server OSes ("good old days"?) on one of your 'blogs' somewhere. I've been meaning to find it (again) and share it with my techie friends. I enjoyed it, greatly. I think they will, too. Gosh - thanks! Not sure which one that was - I write about such things quite often! My short series on the Register a few years ago, perhaps? http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/23517.html -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Wed May 9 18:16:23 2012 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1336612583.12488.YahooMailClassic@web181517.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Liam, As I remember, it was on / at the Google-plus site? (Mind you, the Linux articles (I haven't looked at them (yet)) will be of interest to one of buddies. I've no time to look at / for article, now. Please don't try on my behalf. I will find it. Tom C --- On Wed, 5/9/12, Liam Proven wrote: > From: Liam Proven > Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Raspberry-Pi Computer Details > To: "GEM Development" > Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 12:00 PM > On 9 May 2012 15:46, Thomas Clayton > > wrote: > > Liam, > > > > It may not have made it in or, it went in and then out > the other side, previously but this time, I heard you. :-) > > Hurrah! :?) > > > > BTW, there was / is an article about server OSes ("good > old days"?) on one of your 'blogs' somewhere. I've been > meaning to find it (again) and share it with my techie > friends. I enjoyed it, greatly. I think they will, too. > > Gosh - thanks! Not sure which one that was - I write about > such things > quite often! > > My short series on the Register a few years ago, perhaps? > > http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/23517.html > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk > ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven > MSN: lproven at hotmail.com > ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > From Dr.Kasten at t-online.de Sun May 13 03:08:54 2012 From: Dr.Kasten at t-online.de (M.Kasten) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 10:08:54 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] OpenWatcom Bindings, C editor and spreadsheet Message-ID: <1STVjG-0PIUy00@fwd06.aul.t-online.de> Dear Francois, you asked for spreadsheets running under PC-GEM. There are some. A free one is SCGEM.APP, to find in the openGEM SDK. Look for GEM Applications, FreeGEM Spreadsheet or at OpenGEM5, to download at http://cyberside.dontexist.org/files/gui/opengem/5/ . A shareware version is GEM Mipscalc, look at http://www.deltasoft.com/gemnotes.htm . There is also a PC version of K-Spread from KUMA. A very good german spreadsheet is Beckercalc/3 from Data Becker. Best regards, Michael Kasten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20120513/baf7be6c/attachment-0001.html From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Fri May 25 16:06:58 2012 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 00:06:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: [GEM Development] A few bits and pieces Message-ID: * I've got my video driver test utility to a point where I'm happy to post the source. You can find it at the bottom of my 'drivers' page: . * Among the functions tested by the utility are some that weren't implemented in any PC/GEM driver, ever. v_contourfill() and v_get_pixel() and so on. Why would I got to the trouble of writing tests for them? Well, because I've ported the GEM/3 VGA driver to SDL, and added the extra functions to it. You can get the resulting tarball at * As part of the development process of SDSDL, I integrated it with my Apricot PC emulator, QDAE , so that it could provide native GEM (and GSX) services to programs. Here it is, in 15-bit truecolour mode, displaying test page P (Palette): Among the facts I learned while testing: PAINT.APP will crash if the screen has more than 16 colours (four planes). -- John Elliott