From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  2 10:43:52 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] Video Programming Book
Message-ID: <1320255832.15342.YahooMailClassic@web181516.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Dear Developers - particularly, John Elliot,

While pitching out slips of paper, one had the name of a book that I had owned about PC video programming. It is NOT the one about Hercules In-Color cards (unfortunately)!

Wilton, Richard; Programmer's Guide to PC Video Systems (Second Edition); CPr 1994; Microsoft Press; LCCCN[19]94-20023

I had "EGA switches" noted on my slip of paper. My old PS/2 25-286 (4MB RAM; several different 30MB HDDs one-at-a-time hung out at the side ;-)  ) had had video problems. It often booted to gray-scale OR could jump to that, when going graphical. I found a little DOS utility that would "set" the switches to 'color', again - after which there usually wasn't a recurrence until rebooted. Apparently, I had looked up their meaning in this book.

It covered some (early) "super-VGA" chip sets in the second Ed., as I recall. Long superseded, now, at the time I'm sure it was 'cutting' edge.


Sincerely,

Thomas Clayton





From rtdos at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  2 20:52:50 2011
From: rtdos at hotmail.com (Jeff Wood)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:52:50 -0600
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
Message-ID: <BAY171-W91637149238E7FA6225098B1D50@phx.gbl>


Awhile back I had read somewhere that OpenGEM or FreeGEM was in the process of being ported to Linux as a usable Display/Window Manager. The project went so far as to have a page on sourceforge. Whatever became of that?

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From lproven at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 08:52:41 2011
From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 15:52:41 +0000
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
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On 3 November 2011 03:52, Jeff Wood <rtdos at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Awhile back I had read somewhere that OpenGEM or FreeGEM was in the process
> of being ported to Linux as a usable Display/Window Manager. The project
> went so far as to have a page on sourceforge. Whatever became of that?

I'd love to see it, but it's a big job! Didn't know anyone had done it.

The oath of least resistance would be to obtain the sources from X-GEM
on FlexOS, which was a multitasking-aware GEM on top of an (I think
possibly POSIX-compliant) multitasking OS. But I don't think that got
open sourced, and I also believe IBM is still selling it!

http://www-03.ibm.com/products/retail/products/software/4690/index.html

(Found from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexOS -- which I recently
found someone's done some *serious* work on in the last couple of
years since I last looked at it.)

The alternative would be to take the bits of the multitasking FOSS ST
GEM, from the Afros project, and port 'em back to X86. Still a big
job, though.

http://aranym.sourceforge.net/afros.html



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From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 09:54:18 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:54:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
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Liam,

That was an interesting side-trip thru the web for me. First, I linked out to your google page, then to that woman-in-a-corset's page, then National Novel Month, then back to her page finding a nice cartoon about friendship and a picture of cats on a car hood (for one of my sisters - the catSS owner) - and I hadn't even gotten to any GEM related subject matter, yet!

AFrOS runs over ARAnyM and

ARAnyM is a software virtual machine (similar to VirtualBox or Bochs) designed and developed for running 32-bit Atari ST/TT/Falcon operating systems (TOS, FreeMiNT, MagiC and Linux-m68k) and TOS/GEM applications on any kind of hardware - be it an IBM clone (read it as "PC" :-), an Apple, an Unix server, a graphics workstation or even a portable computer.

Later on, I think it said something about a mini- ?linux?. Any way, Jeff can look that up for himself. (It is NOT acting as an X-WM - which is what I think he's interested in.)

The other two ref.s have been mentioned here, before, and are GOOD.

Thanks again, for the respite - from work.

Tom Clayton




--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 10:52 AM
> On 3 November 2011 03:52, Jeff Wood
> <rtdos at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Awhile back I had read somewhere that OpenGEM or
> FreeGEM was in the process
> > of being ported to Linux as a usable Display/Window
> Manager. The project
> > went so far as to have a page on sourceforge. Whatever
> became of that?
> 
> I'd love to see it, but it's a big job! Didn't know anyone
> had done it.
> 
> The oath of least resistance would be to obtain the sources
> from X-GEM
> on FlexOS, which was a multitasking-aware GEM on top of an
> (I think
> possibly POSIX-compliant) multitasking OS. But I don't
> think that got
> open sourced, and I also believe IBM is still selling it!
> 
> http://www-03.ibm.com/products/retail/products/software/4690/index.html
> 
> (Found from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexOS --
> which I recently
> found someone's done some *serious* work on in the last
> couple of
> years since I last looked at it.)
> 
> The alternative would be to take the bits of the
> multitasking FOSS ST
> GEM, from the Afros project, and port 'em back to X86.
> Still a big
> job, though.
> 
> http://aranym.sourceforge.net/afros.html
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Liam Proven ? Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven
> Email: lproven at cix.co.uk
> ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com
> Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: +
> 44 870-9151419
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> ? ICQ: 73187508
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From lproven at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 10:04:53 2011
From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:04:53 +0000
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
In-Reply-To: <1320339258.11592.YahooMailClassic@web181509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAMTenCEpwU5sR_+Snqoyh-W+sTvYw_rRS2+KpcE8L3ESyQ0+UA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1320339258.11592.YahooMailClassic@web181509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMTenCFi3nnXyD5qAk4Hzc4tO4HzYzrdwvTCnY1wen4k0uBXBQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 November 2011 16:54, Thomas Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Liam,
>
> That was an interesting side-trip thru the web for me. First, I linked out to your google page, then to that woman-in-a-corset's page,

Er, which woman in a corset is that?!

I know several, actually - and I daresay my G+ account links to quite
a few. It's one of the terrible burdens of being a bit of an old goth.
;?)

> then National Novel Month,

Which I really must start doing...

> then back to her page finding a nice cartoon about friendship and a picture of cats on a car hood (for one of my sisters - the catSS owner) -

OK, really lost now!

> and I hadn't even gotten to any GEM related subject matter, yet!

:?)

> AFrOS runs over ARAnyM and
>
> ARAnyM is a software virtual machine (similar to VirtualBox or Bochs) designed and developed for running 32-bit Atari ST/TT/Falcon operating systems (TOS, FreeMiNT, MagiC and Linux-m68k) and TOS/GEM applications on any kind of hardware - be it an IBM clone (read it as "PC" :-), an Apple, an Unix server, a graphics workstation or even a portable computer.

I've tried Aranym. It's pretty impressive, actually. I was not an ST
type but it's a very good effort at making an all-FOSS environment for
running serious ST apps on x86 hardware.

> Later on, I think it said something about a mini- ?linux?.

MINT, I guess. MINT is like GNU - a recursive acronym: MINT stands for
Mint Is Not TOS. TOS is the original Atari ST OS, based on DR
CP/M-68K.

Gradually, all the bits of TOS got replaced, initially with enhanced
3rd party commercial replacements, then, ultimately, with FOSS ones,
until eventually the team behind Aranym realised that they could build
an entire, complete ST GEM-compatible OS from the ROM up out of FOSS
components. The result is Afros.

Sadly, brilliant as it is, it was a bit too late - most of the
hardcore ST types had migrated to other OSs by then. Shame, really.


> Any way, Jeff can look that up for himself. (It is NOT acting as an X-WM - which is what I think he's interested in.)

No, it isn't. X.11 is not involved. It would be more a case of porting
it to svgalib, I would think. That means no graphics acceleration,
though, pretty much. (AIUI anyway.)

> The other two ref.s have been mentioned here, before, and are GOOD.
>
> Thanks again, for the respite - from work.

Glad to be of service!


-- 
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From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 10:19:25 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:19:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAMTenCFi3nnXyD5qAk4Hzc4tO4HzYzrdwvTCnY1wen4k0uBXBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320340765.82488.YahooMailClassic@web181506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Liam,

One goes to

http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven

which is to say

https://plus.google.com/104364266560536376165/posts

and 
clicks upon  ..
.
.
the corseted woman   .. is gone! Huh?

Just a sec. I saved the URL to direct friends to the pictures on her site
.
.
(ah yes, here it is)

https://plus.google.com/101104725981765415912/posts

. Michelle Rukcic had a little square picture appearing on the left-hand side of YOUR page. The same one that appears at the TOP of her's.

There is a "Friends" cartoon and the "caturday" down the page.


Tom Clayton
 

--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 12:04 PM
> On 3 November 2011 16:54, Thomas
> Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Liam,
> >
> > That was an interesting side-trip thru the web for me.
> First, I linked out to your google page, then to that
> woman-in-a-corset's page,
> 
> Er, which woman in a corset is that?!
> 
> I know several, actually - and I daresay my G+ account
> links to quite
> a few. It's one of the terrible burdens of being a bit of
> an old goth.
> ;?)
> 
> > then National Novel Month,
> 
> Which I really must start doing...
> 
> > then back to her page finding a nice cartoon about
> friendship and a picture of cats on a car hood (for one of
> my sisters - the catSS owner) -
> 
> OK, really lost now!
> 
> > and I hadn't even gotten to any GEM related subject
> matter, yet!
> 
> :?)
> 
> > AFrOS runs over ARAnyM and
> >
> > ARAnyM is a software virtual machine (similar to
> VirtualBox or Bochs) designed and developed for running
> 32-bit Atari ST/TT/Falcon operating systems (TOS, FreeMiNT,
> MagiC and Linux-m68k) and TOS/GEM applications on any kind
> of hardware - be it an IBM clone (read it as "PC" :-), an
> Apple, an Unix server, a graphics workstation or even a
> portable computer.
> 
> I've tried Aranym. It's pretty impressive, actually. I was
> not an ST
> type but it's a very good effort at making an all-FOSS
> environment for
> running serious ST apps on x86 hardware.
> 
> > Later on, I think it said something about a mini-
> ?linux?.
> 
> MINT, I guess. MINT is like GNU - a recursive acronym: MINT
> stands for
> Mint Is Not TOS. TOS is the original Atari ST OS, based on
> DR
> CP/M-68K.
> 
> Gradually, all the bits of TOS got replaced, initially with
> enhanced
> 3rd party commercial replacements, then, ultimately, with
> FOSS ones,
> until eventually the team behind Aranym realised that they
> could build
> an entire, complete ST GEM-compatible OS from the ROM up
> out of FOSS
> components. The result is Afros.
> 
> Sadly, brilliant as it is, it was a bit too late - most of
> the
> hardcore ST types had migrated to other OSs by then. Shame,
> really.
> 
> 
> > Any way, Jeff can look that up for himself. (It is NOT
> acting as an X-WM - which is what I think he's interested
> in.)
> 
> No, it isn't. X.11 is not involved. It would be more a case
> of porting
> it to svgalib, I would think. That means no graphics
> acceleration,
> though, pretty much. (AIUI anyway.)
> 
> > The other two ref.s have been mentioned here, before,
> and are GOOD.
> >
> > Thanks again, for the respite - from work.
> 
> Glad to be of service!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Liam Proven ? Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven
> Email: lproven at cix.co.uk
> ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com
> Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: +
> 44 870-9151419
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> ? ICQ: 73187508
> _______________________________________________
> gem-dev mailing list
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> 

From lproven at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 11:19:16 2011
From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:19:16 +0000
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
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On 3 November 2011 17:19, Thomas Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Liam,
>
> One goes to
>
> http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven

That's my personal Google Profile, yes. I used to use my Livejournal
profile, but LJ now shows ads to non-members and the site seems to be
declining in usage.

> which is to say
>
> https://plus.google.com/104364266560536376165/posts
>
> and
> clicks upon ?..
> .
> .
> the corseted woman ? .. is gone! Huh?
>
> Just a sec. I saved the URL to direct friends to the pictures on her site
> .
> .
> (ah yes, here it is)
>
> https://plus.google.com/101104725981765415912/posts

I have no idea who that is. She is not a friend of mine, nor do I follow her.

Saying that, more people follow me than I follow. Something like 60%
of my followers are random strangers who have not introduced
themselves & I don't know why they're following me - I'm not very
active.

> . Michelle Rukcic had a little square picture appearing on the left-hand side of YOUR page. The same one that appears at the TOP of her's.
>
> There is a "Friends" cartoon and the "caturday" down the page.

Hmmm. Not overjoyed at such things on my page, but there's not a lot I can do.

There are, among my pics, several of a friend of mine in a corset and
others of two dancing girls in corsets from a music festival I was at
in August. :?)

-- 
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Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com
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From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 11:38:35 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 11:38:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAMTenCHZwCcOmLW8nBE-YpQiGcxzP+cFQ+HiF6CZ6MtmuCMURQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320345515.9297.YahooMailClassic@web181510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> I have no idea who that is. She is not a friend of mine, nor do I follow her.

What a web we've weaved! :-D

Tom Clayton



--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 1:19 PM
> On 3 November 2011 17:19, Thomas
> Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Liam,
> >
> > One goes to
> >
> > http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven
> 
> That's my personal Google Profile, yes. I used to use my
> Livejournal
> profile, but LJ now shows ads to non-members and the site
> seems to be
> declining in usage.
> 
> > which is to say
> >
> > https://plus.google.com/104364266560536376165/posts
> >
> > and
> > clicks upon ?..
> > .
> > .
> > the corseted woman ? .. is gone! Huh?
> >
> > Just a sec. I saved the URL to direct friends to the
> pictures on her site
> > .
> > .
> > (ah yes, here it is)
> >
> > https://plus.google.com/101104725981765415912/posts
> 
> I have no idea who that is. She is not a friend of mine,
> nor do I follow her.
> 
> Saying that, more people follow me than I follow. Something
> like 60%
> of my followers are random strangers who have not
> introduced
> themselves & I don't know why they're following me -
> I'm not very
> active.
> 
> > . Michelle Rukcic had a little square picture
> appearing on the left-hand side of YOUR page. The same one
> that appears at the TOP of her's.
> >
> > There is a "Friends" cartoon and the "caturday" down
> the page.
> 
> Hmmm. Not overjoyed at such things on my page, but there's
> not a lot I can do.
> 
> There are, among my pics, several of a friend of mine in a
> corset and
> others of two dancing girls in corsets from a music
> festival I was at
> in August. :?)
> 
> -- 
> Liam Proven ? Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven
> Email: lproven at cix.co.uk
> ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com
> Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: +
> 44 870-9151419
> AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven ? MSN: lproven at hotmail.com
> ? ICQ: 73187508
> _______________________________________________
> gem-dev mailing list
> gem-dev at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev
> 

From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 11:41:03 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAMTenCHZwCcOmLW8nBE-YpQiGcxzP+cFQ+HiF6CZ6MtmuCMURQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320345663.81689.YahooMailClassic@web181514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> I have no idea who that is. She is not a friend of mine, nor do I follow her.

That should have been, in proper English:
What a web we've woven. :-(

Tom Clayton
What can I say but, I LIKED the two "weavil"s together. ;-)


--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 1:19 PM
> On 3 November 2011 17:19, Thomas
> Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Liam,
> >
> > One goes to
> >
> > http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven
> 
> That's my personal Google Profile, yes. I used to use my
> Livejournal
> profile, but LJ now shows ads to non-members and the site
> seems to be
> declining in usage.
> 
> > which is to say
> >
> > https://plus.google.com/104364266560536376165/posts
> >
> > and
> > clicks upon ?..
> > .
> > .
> > the corseted woman ? .. is gone! Huh?
> >
> > Just a sec. I saved the URL to direct friends to the
> pictures on her site
> > .
> > .
> > (ah yes, here it is)
> >
> > https://plus.google.com/101104725981765415912/posts
> 
> I have no idea who that is. She is not a friend of mine,
> nor do I follow her.
> 
> Saying that, more people follow me than I follow. Something
> like 60%
> of my followers are random strangers who have not
> introduced
> themselves & I don't know why they're following me -
> I'm not very
> active.
> 
> > . Michelle Rukcic had a little square picture
> appearing on the left-hand side of YOUR page. The same one
> that appears at the TOP of her's.
> >
> > There is a "Friends" cartoon and the "caturday" down
> the page.
> 
> Hmmm. Not overjoyed at such things on my page, but there's
> not a lot I can do.
> 
> There are, among my pics, several of a friend of mine in a
> corset and
> others of two dancing girls in corsets from a music
> festival I was at
> in August. :?)
> 
> -- 
> Liam Proven ? Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven
> Email: lproven at cix.co.uk
> ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com
> Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: +
> 44 870-9151419
> AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven ? MSN: lproven at hotmail.com
> ? ICQ: 73187508
> _______________________________________________
> gem-dev mailing list
> gem-dev at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev
> 

From lproven at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 11:43:25 2011
From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:43:25 +0000
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
In-Reply-To: <1320345515.9297.YahooMailClassic@web181510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAMTenCHZwCcOmLW8nBE-YpQiGcxzP+cFQ+HiF6CZ6MtmuCMURQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3 November 2011 18:38, Thomas Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I have no idea who that is. She is not a friend of mine, nor do I follow her.
>
> What a web we've weaved! :-D

Google+ is very bad for this. Well, if not actually bad, weird. I
rarely post, compared to my activity on Twitter and FaceBook, yet I
have some 2x as many G+ followers as on Twitter, where I make a real
effort to put some interesting content or links or both up every day.


-- 
Liam Proven ? Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven
Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com
Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419
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From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 12:44:36 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:44:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAMTenCGCVmMf=8sYH6ri4U0RLa9mmzW=xhHV8_ZiAKMB5a8xHQ@mail.gmail.com>
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BTW, I read
"
Wed, Sep. 21st, 2011, 06:33 pm

The good old days of server management, and where it all went wrong
"
which I should NOT have taken the time to do, today.
 I'll spread the URL
http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/27341.html
to a couple of my "techie" friends later on.

Tom C

--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 1:43 PM
> On 3 November 2011 18:38, Thomas
> Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> I have no idea who that is. She is not a friend of
> mine, nor do I follow her.
> >
> > What a web we've weaved! :-D
> 
> Google+ is very bad for this. Well, if not actually bad,
> weird. I
> rarely post, compared to my activity on Twitter and
> FaceBook, yet I
> have some 2x as many G+ followers as on Twitter, where I
> make a real
> effort to put some interesting content or links or both up
> every day.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Liam Proven ? Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven
> Email: lproven at cix.co.uk
> ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com
> Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: +
> 44 870-9151419
> AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven ? MSN: lproven at hotmail.com
> ? ICQ: 73187508
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From rtdos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 18:14:10 2011
From: rtdos at hotmail.com (Jeff Wood)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:14:10 -0600
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
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Tom,

You are correct I am interested in GEM acting as a X-DM/X-WM (like KDE using KDM or Gnome does with GDM, etc.) without using an emulator of any kind. I had read this awhile back that this was proposed:

http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id?914

...is this (Linux based GEM) even remotely possible?

Thanks for any help, though, everyone.

---
Jeff Wood



> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:54:18 -0700
> From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com
> To: gem-dev at simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
> 
> Liam,
> 
> That was an interesting side-trip thru the web for me. First, I linked out to your google page, then to that woman-in-a-corset's page, then National Novel Month, then back to her page finding a nice cartoon about friendship and a picture of cats on a car hood (for one of my sisters - the catSS owner) - and I hadn't even gotten to any GEM related subject matter, yet!
> 
> AFrOS runs over ARAnyM and
> 
> ARAnyM is a software virtual machine (similar to VirtualBox or Bochs) designed and developed for running 32-bit Atari ST/TT/Falcon operating systems (TOS, FreeMiNT, MagiC and Linux-m68k) and TOS/GEM applications on any kind of hardware - be it an IBM clone (read it as "PC" :-), an Apple, an Unix server, a graphics workstation or even a portable computer.
> 
> Later on, I think it said something about a mini- ?linux?. Any way, Jeff can look that up for himself. (It is NOT acting as an X-WM - which is what I think he's interested in.)
> 
> The other two ref.s have been mentioned here, before, and are GOOD.
> 
> Thanks again, for the respite - from work.
> 
> Tom Clayton
> 

 		 	   		  
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From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 11:17:18 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
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Jeff,

I just WENT to the
http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id?914
URL.
?It is Shane Coughlin's (I believe) description of his work with the source code to 16-bit (real-mode) DOS version of GEM (PC-GEM). In 1999(?) the (then) owners released source (that they had) of DRi's GEM product under the GNU Public License. What is spoke about on that webpage is his - and others! - work with / upon that code base.

Now, specifically what you don't want to hear:
?there is NO work on a GEM X-WM involved, there, what-so-ever (AFAIK).

Shane hasn't, so much, abandoned his work on GEM, as that he got a job related to Free, Open-Source Software (Switzerland?) - that PAYS(?) (euro-symbol) - and has been busy with THAT, since. :-)

IF you'd like to see the "improved" GEM that now exists, look up OpenGEM 5 (I _THINK_ that was his last release) on the web and download it. Oh, you'll NEED a DOS emulater - unless you have an old PC type system - and a DOS - available.


Sincerely,

Thomas Clayton

Who knows .. MAYBE Shane, himself,? will join us (briefly) to update us. (?)


--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Jeff Wood <rtdos at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jeff Wood <rtdos at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
To: gem-dev at simpits.org
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 8:14 PM






Tom,

You are correct I am interested in GEM acting as a X-DM/X-WM (like KDE using KDM or Gnome does with GDM, etc.) without using an emulator of any kind. I had read this awhile back that this was proposed:

http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id?914

...is this (Linux based GEM) even remotely possible?

Thanks for any help, though, everyone.

---
Jeff Wood



> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:54:18 -0700
> From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com
> To: gem-dev at simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM Desktop & Linux
> 
> Liam,
> 
> That was an interesting side-trip thru the web for me. First, I linked out to your google page, then to that woman-in-a-corset's page, then National Novel Month, then back to her page finding a nice cartoon about friendship and a picture of cats on a car hood (for one of my sisters - the catSS owner) - and I hadn't even gotten to any GEM related subject matter, yet!
> 
> AFrOS runs over ARAnyM and
> 
> ARAnyM is a software virtual machine (similar to VirtualBox or Bochs) designed and developed for running 32-bit Atari ST/TT/Falcon operating systems (TOS, FreeMiNT, MagiC and Linux-m68k) and TOS/GEM applications on any kind of hardware - be it an IBM clone (read it as "PC" :-), an Apple, an Unix server, a graphics workstation or even a portable computer.
> 
> Later on, I think it said something about a mini- ?linux?. Any way, Jeff can look that up for himself. (It is NOT acting as an X-WM - which is what I think he's interested in.)
> 
> The other two ref.s have been mentioned here, before, and are GOOD.
> 
> Thanks again, for the respite - from work.
> 
> Tom Clayton
> 

 		 	   		  

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From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 11:58:30 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] Failed Download
Message-ID: <1320433110.42087.YahooMailClassic@web181510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I went searching (a little) to confirm my message to Jeff, and found a link to
GEMXM Beta3

When I tried DLing it, I got 675 bytes with a zip file symbol.

What is going on? And BTW, WHERE should I try getting it again.

Tom Clayton


From ben at jemmett.me.uk  Fri Nov  4 13:16:57 2011
From: ben at jemmett.me.uk (Ben A L Jemmett)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:16:57 -0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [GEM Development] Failed Download
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Message-ID: <60ea8a4a2ebc1d4e1cbed56502401a03.squirrel@webmail.microwavepizza.co.uk>

On Fri, November 4, 2011 6:58 pm, Thomas Clayton wrote:
> I went searching (a little) to confirm my message to Jeff, and found a
> link to GEMXM Beta3
>
> When I tried DLing it, I got 675 bytes with a zip file symbol.
>
> What is going on?

Bit tricky to work that out without knowing what link you were following ;)

> And BTW, WHERE should I try getting it again.

The download on deltasoft.com works for me:

    http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip

Note, however, that this contains the original code from DRI and although
the binaries work, the source either doesn't build or doesn't work
depending on component.  Patches and updates to address this do exist; my
most recent efforts are at my dumping ground:

    http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/#gem

... and I believe John has some updates, all (or more likely some) of
which I incorporated into the above as well:

    http://www.seasip.info/Gem/gemxm.html

-- 
Regards,
Ben A L Jemmett.
http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/


From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 17:36:28 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GEM Development] Failed Download
In-Reply-To: <60ea8a4a2ebc1d4e1cbed56502401a03.squirrel@webmail.microwavepizza.co.uk>
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THE Page was, none other than,

http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/2006-March/000980.html
!
The link appears to have been this one:

http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMXM.zip

BTW, I got this (as a fonted web page):
"
Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, wwwadmin at shaneland.co.uk and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
"

when I just, again, tried to download the file - which looks like 745 bytes (or there abouts) of text. ;-)

"
The code here is FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4
(http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip) and John Elliott's new
GEMVDI for GEM/XM (http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Software/qdxm2.zip).
"

The above is where I got the idea it was a "3.0" release.

Much thanks,

Tom Clayton



--- On Fri, 11/4/11, Ben A L Jemmett <ben at jemmett.me.uk> wrote:

> From: Ben A L Jemmett <ben at jemmett.me.uk>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Failed Download
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Friday, November 4, 2011, 3:16 PM
> On Fri, November 4, 2011 6:58 pm,
> Thomas Clayton wrote:
> > I went searching (a little) to confirm my message to
> Jeff, and found a
> > link to GEMXM Beta3
> >
> > When I tried DLing it, I got 675 bytes with a zip file
> symbol.
> >
> > What is going on?
> 
> Bit tricky to work that out without knowing what link you
> were following ;)
> 
> > And BTW, WHERE should I try getting it again.
> 
> The download on deltasoft.com works for me:
> 
> ? ? http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip
> 
> Note, however, that this contains the original code from
> DRI and although
> the binaries work, the source either doesn't build or
> doesn't work
> depending on component.? Patches and updates to
> address this do exist; my
> most recent efforts are at my dumping ground:
> 
> ? ? http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/#gem
> 
> ... and I believe John has some updates, all (or more
> likely some) of
> which I incorporated into the above as well:
> 
> ? ? http://www.seasip.info/Gem/gemxm.html
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Ben A L Jemmett.
> http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> gem-dev at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev
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From Dr.Kasten at t-online.de  Sat Nov  5 10:30:52 2011
From: Dr.Kasten at t-online.de (M.Kasten)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 17:30:52 -0000
Subject: [GEM Development]  Failed Download
Message-ID: <1RMk4o-2FCJxQ0@fwd00.aul.t-online.de>

Dear Mr.Clayton,

you can reach the Shaneland website via the waybackmachine:

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php , call shaneland.co.uk, go 
to the year 2006 or 2007, look for project Open GEM/XM. There you can
download Open GEM/XM Development 2.

Kind regards,

Dr.Michael Kasten
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From rtdos at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  5 18:43:58 2011
From: rtdos at hotmail.com (Wood Jeff)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:43:58 -0600
Subject: [GEM Development] Failed Download
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Thanks, Dr. Kasten


-----
Jeff
http://www.rtdos.com


From: Dr.Kasten at t-online.de
To: gem-dev at simpits.org
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:30:00 +0000
Subject: [GEM Development]  Failed Download







Dear Mr.Clayton,

you can
reach the 
Shaneland website via the waybackmachine:

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

, call shaneland.co.uk, go 
to the year 2006 or 2007, look for
project Open 
GEM/XM. There you can download Open GEM/XM Development 2.

Kind 
regards,

Dr.Michael Kasten

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From ari.juhani.sillanpaa at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 10:00:18 2011
From: ari.juhani.sillanpaa at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ari_Sillanp=E4=E4?=)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:00:18 +0200
Subject: [GEM Development] Failed Download
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Message-ID: <CADuCAOU0jKPpVP0Y4=ZkUyNvYXdZufM4VCzMWJX1WtfUKtsBZQ@mail.gmail.com>

There was interesting experimental multitasking-GEM version for download:

"OpenGEM/XM is an experimental distribution that brings multi-tasking to
OpenGEM. We are still building the system, and we need people to test it.
If you have the time, please join in and let us know how to make sure we
end up with the best multi-tasking 16bit GUI solution for DOS!"

http://web.archive.org/web/20060613023732/http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/opengemxm.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20060613023732/http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMXM.zip

Ari Sillanp??


2011/11/6 Wood Jeff <rtdos at hotmail.com>

>  Thanks, Dr. Kasten
>
>
> -----
> Jeff
> http://www.rtdos.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: Dr.Kasten at t-online.de
> To: gem-dev at simpits.org
> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:30:00 +0000
> Subject: [GEM Development] Failed Download
>
> Dear Mr.Clayton,
>
> you can reach the Shaneland website via the waybackmachine:
>
> http://www.archive.org/web/web.php , call shaneland.co.uk, go
> to the year 2006 or 2007, look for project Open GEM/XM. There you can
> download Open GEM/XM Development 2.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Dr.Michael Kasten
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