From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  3 17:54:53 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:54:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
Message-ID: <456365.33974.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Now that I have just a moment,
ANYone know WHO photocopied / scanned (into PDFs!) these files?
WHO posted them into the 'original' (Bitsavers?) website?

A VERY BIG
THANK YOU!
to you!

I had asked, some time ago, which GEM (and DRi, et Al.) manuals HAD BEEN (already) scanned in 'prep.' for doing those that hadn't. (Of course, I CAN'T now!)

Sincerely,

Thomas Clayton


--- On Mon, 2/14/11, Alec Beanse  wrote:

> Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 7:17 AM
> In case anyone is not aware there is
> a whole load of GEM 
> documentation in PDF format here:
>
> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/digitalResearch/gem/
>
> Apologies if you are already aware of this.
>
> Alec Beanse


From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  3 18:01:02 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:01:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <456365.33974.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <772677.39991.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This letter ORIGINALLY bounced back to me. I deleted the ref.s to "virgin" and it has NOW gone through! Hmmm?  :-D 

Tom Clayton


--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Thomas Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Thomas Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:54 PM
> Now that I have just a moment,
> ANYone know WHO photocopied / scanned (into PDFs!) these
> files?
> WHO posted them into the 'original' (Bitsavers?) website?
> 
> A VERY BIG
> THANK YOU!
> to you!
> 
> I had asked, some time ago, which GEM (and DRi, et Al.)
> manuals HAD BEEN (already) scanned in 'prep.' for doing
> those that hadn't. (Of course, I CAN'T now!)
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Thomas Clayton


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar  4 05:58:07 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 05:58:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <772677.39991.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <772677.39991.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103040557410.23634@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Thu, 3 Mar 2011, Thomas Clayton wrote:

> This letter ORIGINALLY bounced back to me. I deleted the ref.s to 
> "virgin" and it has NOW gone through! Hmmm?  :-D
>
Tom, do you have the bounce message?  My postfix filters can be a bit 
aggressive(sp) at times. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.

From ben at jemmett.me.uk  Fri Mar  4 06:49:58 2011
From: ben at jemmett.me.uk (Ben A L Jemmett)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:49:58 -0000
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103040557410.23634@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <772677.39991.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1103040557410.23634@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <82253B1B71D945309035CF7EE9AF9710@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk>

Gene wrote:
> Tom, do you have the bounce message?  My postfix filters can be a bit
> aggressive(sp) at times. :)

Ah, (not quite) the Scunthorphe Problem?  :D

Regards,
Ben A L Jemmett.
http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar  4 06:31:18 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:31:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <82253B1B71D945309035CF7EE9AF9710@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk>
References: <772677.39991.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1103040557410.23634@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<82253B1B71D945309035CF7EE9AF9710@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103040631070.23634@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Ben A L Jemmett wrote:

> Gene wrote:
>> Tom, do you have the bounce message?  My postfix filters can be a bit
>> aggressive(sp) at times. :)
>
> Ah, (not quite) the Scunthorphe Problem?  :D
>
Just about. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.

From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  6 14:03:34 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:03:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103040557410.23634@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <849360.19017.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bounce message forwarded to you
"Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
OFF-list. Let me know IF you receive it - or not!

Now back to my original question:

ANYone know WHO scanned and converted to PDF the DRi documents at "bitsavers"???

Tom Clayton


--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 7:58 AM
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2011, Thomas Clayton
> wrote:
> 
> > This letter ORIGINALLY bounced back to me. I deleted
> the ref.s to 
> > "virgin" and it has NOW gone through! Hmmm?? :-D
> >
> Tom, do you have the bounce message?? My postfix
> filters can be a bit 
> aggressive(sp) at times. :)
> 
> g.
> 
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project
> 
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
> 
> Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a
> delusional, illogical
> minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
> mainstream media, which
> holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to
> pick up a turd
> by the clean end.
> _______________________________________________
> gem-dev mailing list
> gem-dev at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev
> 

From Dr.Kasten at t-online.de  Sun Mar  6 15:33:26 2011
From: Dr.Kasten at t-online.de (M.Kasten)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 23:33:26 -0000
Subject: [GEM Development]  GEM User Guides
Message-ID: <1PwNRs-1vE4jA0@fwd03.aul.t-online.de>

Dear Thomas Clayton,

try to ask at aek at bitsavers.org.

Best regards,

Michael Kasten
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From alec.beanse at virgin.net  Sun Mar  6 23:32:49 2011
From: alec.beanse at virgin.net (Alec Beanse)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:32:49 +0000
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <1PwNRs-1vE4jA0@fwd03.aul.t-online.de>
References: <1PwNRs-1vE4jA0@fwd03.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <6FD84EA2-73FE-4D4D-AFE8-53384CE20DE8@virgin.net>

Just thought I'd point out that they have some software as well:

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/bits/ 
DigitalResearch/

Regards,

Alec

From alec.beanse at virgin.net  Sun Mar  6 23:42:57 2011
From: alec.beanse at virgin.net (Alec Beanse)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:42:57 +0000
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <849360.19017.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <849360.19017.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AFFD3172-6C3F-41C2-B77E-4130B8D81B06@virgin.net>


On 6 Mar 2011, at 22:03, Thomas Clayton wrote:

>
> Now back to my original question:
>
> ANYone know WHO scanned and converted to PDF the DRi documents at  
> "bitsavers"???

No but the process is described here http://www.bitsavers.org/ so I  
suppose the question should be who are Bitsavers?

Regards,

Alec

From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 18:36:07 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:36:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <6FD84EA2-73FE-4D4D-AFE8-53384CE20DE8@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <45253.60624.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes. I noticed those and hope to get _a little_ time to acquire them, shortly.

(Now let's see IF this "goes through".)

Tom Clayton

--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Alec Beanse <alec.beanse at virgin.net> wrote:

> From: Alec Beanse <alec.beanse at virgin.net>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 1:32 AM
> Just thought I'd point out that they
> have some software as well:
> 
> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/bits/
> 
> DigitalResearch/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alec
> _______________________________________________
> gem-dev mailing list
> gem-dev at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev
> 

From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 18:41:47 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:41:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
In-Reply-To: <45253.60624.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <807838.88785.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well Gene, it DID (go through). Go figure. :-)

Tom C

--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Thomas Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Thomas Clayton <topcatdrc at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
> To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:36 PM
> Yes. I noticed those and hope to get
> _a little_ time to acquire them, shortly.
> 
> (Now let's see IF this "goes through".)
> 
> Tom Clayton
> 
> --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Alec Beanse <alec.beanse at virgin.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Alec Beanse <alec.beanse at virgin.net>
> > Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM User Guides
> > To: "GEM Development" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> > Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 1:32 AM
> > Just thought I'd point out that they
> > have some software as well:
> > 
> > http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/bits/
> > 
> > DigitalResearch/
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Alec
> > _______________________________________________
> > gem-dev mailing list
> > gem-dev at simpits.org
> > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> gem-dev mailing list
> gem-dev at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev
> 

From topcatdrc at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 16:27:46 2011
From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:27:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GEM Development] DR operating systems
In-Reply-To: <766ED33D389444558A203557B7D8024E@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk>
Message-ID: <154996.81322.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

While clearing out letters from last Dec. (when _I_ was busy moving), I found this one. 
I did a _little_ following-up

At http://www.digitalresearch.biz/ there was
"DR Flex/OS Now IBM 4690 Operating System" (links to)
 and found:
http://www-03.ibm.com/products/retail/products/software/4690/

They talk of 256MB and 1GB RAM and such in the PDF.. If X/GEM FlexOS is in ANY WAY x85-family Sw, then, indeed, it MUST be prot. mode!

John Elliot might find
http://www.abakion.de/grafik_treiber.htm
"SVGA - Treiber f?r FlexOS"
of interest. The preisliste (price list) asks for 297.50 Euros for one.

Hmmm.

Thomas Clayton


--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Ben A L Jemmett <ben at jemmett.me.uk> wrote:

> From: Ben A L Jemmett <ben at jemmett.me.uk>
> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] DR operating systems
> To: "'GEM Development'" <gem-dev at simpits.org>
> Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:46 AM
> [Let's see if this gets through this
> time -- after 14 years I've had to
> change my e-mail address, argh!]
> 
> >???GEM/XM is a version of GEM that can
> multitask DOS applications, that 
> > forked off from GEM proper somewhere between GEM/2 and
> GEM/3. XM/GEM I 
> > haven't seen, but there were vague rumours about
> versions of GEM that 
> > ran on UNIX or
> > OS/2 rather than DOS, and it's possible that refers to
> one of them.
> 
> XM/GEM doesn't ring any bells (the /XM suffix was used on
> several products
> -- to signify "Expanded Memory" perhaps? -- but I've never
> seen it used as a
> prefix).? However, there are references in the wild to
> X/GEM, which
> apparently ran under FlexOS.? I'm not sure how it
> differed from the GEM we
> know -- FlexOS was a protected-mode OS I think so maybe
> X/GEM supports
> marshalling between address spaces?? (Just a guess!)
> http://www.abakion.de/flexos.htm seems to describe
> FlexOS's lineage and
> mentions X/GEM as a subsystem.
> 
> A bit of digging turned up
> http://www.faqs.org/copyright/multiuser-dos-dr-net-system-builders-kit-relea
> se-212/ -- I'm not quite sure how to interpret it, but it
> lists "X/GEM for
> FlexOS, release 1.0" as a separate entity from "FlexOS 286"
> and "FlexOS
> 386".? Perhaps that means it was sold separately, or
> maybe just that it came
> with its own manual/disk set/etc.
> 
> http://www.abakion.de/Download/download.html has a
> screenshot of XBENCH -
> "X/GEM Benchmarks" -- my schoolboy German is too rusty to
> judge whether any
> of the links on that page lead to interesting information
> about X/GEM
> itself, but that should not pose much problem for Dr.
> Kasten!
> 
> One presumes that IBM don't include X/GEM in the current
> 4690 OS!? It would
> be highly amusing to be wrong, though.
> 
> Regards,
> Ben A L Jemmett.
> http://flatpack.microwavepizza.co.uk/