From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 08:33:02 2008 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Source for Old Video Cards Message-ID: <871707.24965.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Group: I was perusing eBay shops and came across a dealer who had OLDer video display cards available STILL. I don't remember which one(S) John had a particular interest in testing his drivers against, but MAYBE one of them is available from this 'seller'. For example, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=230282617928 Anyway, just thought I'd test the list-serve to see if it was "ALIVE"! Thomas Clayton (who has survived (nicely) the remnants of 'Ike' that reached Chicago!) From lyricalnanoha at usotsuki.hoshinet.org Tue Sep 16 08:52:24 2008 From: lyricalnanoha at usotsuki.hoshinet.org (lyricalnanoha) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GEM Development] GEM and the Internet? Message-ID: I've just been thinking. Yeah, I know. I'm not much of a programmer, but I just was experimenting with getting a couple WatTCP (Watt-32 actually) tools working on QEMU, and I was musing about the possibility of various Internet tools (such as telnet, ftp and irc) for GEM. It seems feasible and would be principally limited by the ability to code such... -uso. From owen at owenrudge.net Tue Sep 16 09:49:46 2008 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:49:46 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] GEM and the Internet? References: Message-ID: <34A63FB734B34CBBA7BDA0AA36360C20@lan.owenrudge.net> > I'm not much of a programmer, but I just was experimenting with getting a > couple WatTCP (Watt-32 actually) tools working on QEMU, and I was musing > about the possibility of various Internet tools (such as telnet, ftp and > irc) for GEM. It seems feasible and would be principally limited by the > ability to code such... GEMWeb was the closest GEM has ever been to the Internet, I think. It's still available from: http://www.geocities.com/heinz_rath/ Certainly though, it should be possible to use WatTCP (or Watt-32 using DJGPP) to get on the Internet with GEM. :-) -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From lyricalnanoha at usotsuki.hoshinet.org Tue Sep 16 15:07:49 2008 From: lyricalnanoha at usotsuki.hoshinet.org (lyricalnanoha) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GEM Development] GEM and the Internet? In-Reply-To: <34A63FB734B34CBBA7BDA0AA36360C20@lan.owenrudge.net> References: <34A63FB734B34CBBA7BDA0AA36360C20@lan.owenrudge.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Owen Rudge wrote: >> I'm not much of a programmer, but I just was experimenting with getting a >> couple WatTCP (Watt-32 actually) tools working on QEMU, and I was musing >> about the possibility of various Internet tools (such as telnet, ftp and >> irc) for GEM. It seems feasible and would be principally limited by the >> ability to code such... > > GEMWeb was the closest GEM has ever been to the Internet, I think. It's > still available from: > > http://www.geocities.com/heinz_rath/ > > Certainly though, it should be possible to use WatTCP (or Watt-32 using > DJGPP) to get on the Internet with GEM. :-) IRC is thankfully a much simpler system than the combination of HTTP and HTML :) I know the IRC protocol, but not much about networking or GEM. :( -uso. From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 15:15:09 2008 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:15:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [GEM Development] Source for Old Video Cards In-Reply-To: <871707.24965.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "Thomas Clayton" at Sep 16, 2008 08:33:02 Message-ID: > I don't remember which one(S) John had a > particular interest in testing his drivers against, but MAYBE one of them > is available from this 'seller'. For what it's worth, the drivers I've built but can't test are: * AT&T Display Enhancement Board * Wyse 700 1280x800 * Genius 728x1008 * Genoa SVGA * Quadram Prosync (I've got the card for this, but no EGA monitor) And the other driver I'd like to test at some point is: * Paradise 8514/A Plus (just an 8514/A won't do; I've tried). It occurs to me that rather than trying to find physical hardware for all of these, it'd be simpler to hack support for the appropriate video modes into a PC emulator. That'd also help with some of the funnies like Plantronics and C&T 720x540, where I have to unearth this or that antique XT every time I want to test. I built the BBC Master driver entirely on an emulator, not having a real Master; and the Apricot Xi driver was developed in parallel with the emulator (QDAE). Once I'd written the driver, it took me something like ten months to get around to finishing the emulator and releasing it. -- John Elliott From rob at midworld.co.uk Tue Sep 16 15:25:47 2008 From: rob at midworld.co.uk (rob at midworld.co.uk) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:25:47 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Source for Old Video Cards In-Reply-To: References: <871707.24965.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080916222547.GA11143@meurglys.midworld.co.uk> I believe I may have a Wyse 700 + monitor sitting around at $parent's place. I'll try to remember to dig it out next time I'm down there. Heaven alone knows if it still works, but it was built sturdily - it certainly survived me pushing the wrong things down the cable at one point and burning off all the dust in the monitor... On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:15:09PM +0100, John Elliott wrote: > > I don't remember which one(S) John had a > > particular interest in testing his drivers against, but MAYBE one of them > > is available from this 'seller'. > > For what it's worth, the drivers I've built but can't test are: > > * AT&T Display Enhancement Board > * Wyse 700 1280x800 > * Genius 728x1008 > * Genoa SVGA > * Quadram Prosync (I've got the card for this, but no EGA monitor) > > And the other driver I'd like to test at some point is: > > * Paradise 8514/A Plus (just an 8514/A won't do; I've tried). > > It occurs to me that rather than trying to find physical hardware for all > of these, it'd be simpler to hack support for the appropriate video modes > into a PC emulator. That'd also help with some of the funnies like > Plantronics and C&T 720x540, where I have to unearth this or that antique XT > every time I want to test. > I built the BBC Master driver entirely on an emulator, not having a real > Master; and the Apricot Xi driver was developed in parallel with the > emulator (QDAE). Once I'd written the driver, it took me something like ten > months to get around to finishing the emulator and releasing it. > > -- > John Elliott > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 22:25:01 2008 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Source for Old Video Cards In-Reply-To: <20080916222547.GA11143@meurglys.midworld.co.uk> Message-ID: <229323.29220.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do you /think/ you have /the/ video card to drive the Wyse 700? That would help John, also! ;-) Sincerely, Thomas Clayton --- On Tue, 9/16/08, rob at midworld.co.uk wrote: > From: rob at midworld.co.uk > Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Source for Old Video Cards > To: "GEM Development" > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 5:25 PM > I believe I may have a Wyse 700 + monitor sitting around at > $parent's > place. I'll try to remember to dig it out next time > I'm down there. > > Heaven alone knows if it still works, but it was built > sturdily - it > certainly survived me pushing the wrong things down the > cable at one > point and burning off all the dust in the monitor... > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:15:09PM +0100, John Elliott > wrote: > > > I don't remember which one(S) John had a > > > particular interest in testing his drivers > against, but MAYBE one of them > > > is available from this 'seller'. > > > > For what it's worth, the drivers I've built > but can't test are: > > > > * AT&T Display Enhancement Board > > * Wyse 700 1280x800 > > * Genius 728x1008 > > * Genoa SVGA > > * Quadram Prosync (I've got the card for this, but > no EGA monitor) > > > > And the other driver I'd like to test at some > point is: > > > > * Paradise 8514/A Plus (just an 8514/A won't do; > I've tried). > > > > It occurs to me that rather than trying to find > physical hardware for all > > of these, it'd be simpler to hack support for the > appropriate video modes > > into a PC emulator. That'd also help with some of > the funnies like > > Plantronics and C&T 720x540, where I have to > unearth this or that antique XT > > every time I want to test. > > I built the BBC Master driver entirely on an > emulator, not having a real > > Master; and the Apricot Xi driver was developed in > parallel with the > > emulator (QDAE). Once I'd written the driver, it > took me something like ten > > months to get around to finishing the emulator and > releasing it. > > > > -- > > John Elliott > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gem-dev mailing list > > gem-dev at simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev From alec.beanse at virgin.net Wed Sep 17 13:31:20 2008 From: alec.beanse at virgin.net (alec.beanse at virgin.net) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:31:20 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Source for Old Video Cards References: Message-ID: <48D168E9.E19D0BA2@virgin.net> John Elliott wrote: > > > I don't remember which one(S) John had a > > particular interest in testing his drivers against, but MAYBE one of them > > is available from this 'seller'. > > For what it's worth, the drivers I've built but can't test are: > > * AT&T Display Enhancement Board > * Wyse 700 1280x800 > * Genius 728x1008 > * Genoa SVGA > * Quadram Prosync (I've got the card for this, but no EGA monitor) I had a feeling that at least one of the above drivers already existed so just checked the GEMSETUP.TXT file on the install disk for 3.11. It includes reference to drivers for Wyse/Amdek Mono 1280 x 800 and Genius Mono 728 x 1008 if that's any help |DESCRIPTION|Wyse/Amdek Monochrome Graphics Display (1280x800) |SHORT DESCR|Wyse/Amdek |FILENAME|SDGWYS9.VGA |SRC DISK|GEM PRINTER DISK |FONT DISK|GEM SYSTEM MASTER DISK |FNT WILDCRD|*.VGA |TYPE|VGA_MONO |LONG DESCRP| Choose this entry if you are using a Wyse or Amdek display and card. This monochrome display offers a resolution of 1280 horizontal by 800 vertical pixels. |DESCRIPTION|MDS THE GENIUS Monitor / THE GENIUS Monitor Card (728x1008) |SHORT DESCR|Genius |FILENAME|SDGGEN9.VGA |SRC DISK|GEM SCREEN DISK |FONT DISK|GEM SYSTEM MASTER DISK |FNT WILDCRD|*.VGA |TYPE|VGA_MONO |LONG DESCRP| Choose this entry if you are using THE GENIUS Monitor and THE GENIUS Monitor Card by Micro Display Systems. This monochrome display offers a resolution of 728 horizontal by 1008 vertical pixels. Alec From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 13:32:47 2008 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:32:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [GEM Development] Source for Old Video Cards In-Reply-To: from "alec.beanse@virgin.net" at Sep 17, 2008 09:31:20 Message-ID: > I had a feeling that at least one of the above drivers already existed > so just checked the GEMSETUP.TXT file on the install disk for 3.11. It > includes reference to drivers for Wyse/Amdek Mono 1280 x 800 and Genius > Mono 728 x 1008 if that's any help Yes, they're all existing drivers that I've built from the GEM/3 screen driver source, and then added FreeGEM bits and pieces. In theory they should work on the same hardware as the originals, but without the hardware I can't prove that. -- John Elliott From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 22:23:08 2008 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] USB for DOS and Other Neat App.s Message-ID: <852711.73451.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Developers: If you have had some problems running USB thingies with DOS, I might have been told a solution you can use. http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/ has USB Host controller drivers AND several peripherals drivers. Have a look and let the rest of us - AND their author, Georg Potthast! - know what you think. I also noticed some DOS app.s - including a "resident GUI" (?) - on another page at his site. (COBOL, anyone?) http://www.georgpotthast.de/computer/cindex.htm (I'd gone "back to" the main page http://www.georgpotthast.de/ to poke around some more.) I think we should "invite" him to join the GEM-Dev list, don't you? Sincerely, Thomas Clayton From joemmore at archivalladolid.org Sun Sep 28 05:58:30 2008 From: joemmore at archivalladolid.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Emilio_Mori_Recio?=) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:58:30 +0200 Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? Message-ID: <20080928125841.E00DE328045@ns2.simpits.org> Hello everyone. I'm a former GEM user under Atari ST from Spain, and now I plan to use OpenGEM, over FreeDOS, in several older PCs which I want to make "productive" again, and I'd also like to contribute to the project, specially in Spanish translations, in mirroring in our ftp site at the Valladolid University, and maybe even in development, if I get a little help for not messing up... although I'm only getting informed about it right now, in order to focus on it in 2009, if things go well. But I'm somehow confused about the current status of the project, after downloading OpenGEM 5 & 6, reading Shane Land Web and the gem-dev archive of messages. Currently the Shane Land OpenGEM website http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/ offers OpenGEM 5 (core & full versions), the sources, SDK, documentation, etc. But FreeDOS, in http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/, also includes OpenGEM 6, just the core version, and nothing else. Also in that directory, the README file from Shane points to the file http://www.opendawn.com/opengem6.zip and to a future (as of 2006, I think) web http://gem.opendawn.com, but neither will work. And in a June 2008 message here, Shane announces that "OpenGEM 7 is just about ready". Also, the GEM wiki and ?its backup? aren't apparently working: http://wiki.freegem.net says that "it has a problem / is experiencing technical difficulties" for several months now, and http://wiki2.freegem.net won't even load (Firefox explains that the redirection is looping, and lynx -text-mode- reports HTTP 301/302 "Moved" errors). As I've read in previous messages here, I guess it's all because of people getting very busy. But this list is active, and it seems FreeDOS itself is very active, and GEM, as his ?main? graphic environment, should also be; maybe people doesn't know much about this project? Anyway, I think that having updated programs, sources and documentation web-centralized is a basic step in order for everyone to test and keep on development. I can help with that if necessary, including web hosting (also with a wiki section). As for me, I think it's no good to begin testing and studying OpenGEM 5 ignoring the improvements of OpenGEM 6 and 7, so I'll wait for your comments about what's going on with that, and if or when (when, I hope) everything is going to get up to date. Finally, it seems that the rest of FreeGEM/OpenGEM efforts have ceased several years ago, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Those other webs also point to this mailing list for further information, so I guess that if I can find an answer to that, it should be here. So, I look forward to your comments about these questions; that is, in a few words, the current status of the project and its future. Thanks in advance. // Jos? Emilio Mori Recio - http://www.gui.uva.es/~jem \\ || Administrador Inform?tico, Arzobispado de Valladolid y Archivo || \\ Miembro 088 del Grupo Universitario de Inform?tica, Valladolid // From shane at shaneland.co.uk Mon Sep 29 02:01:44 2008 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane Martin Coughlan) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:01:44 +0200 Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? In-Reply-To: <20080928125841.E00DE328045@ns2.simpits.org> References: <20080928125841.E00DE328045@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: <48E09978.5020604@shaneland.co.uk> Hi Jose The main version of OpenGEM is OpenGEM 6, and the core distribution is all that forms part of the official release. I have nearly finished OpenGEM 7 but my work is simply too busy to complete it. I'm changing country tomorrow, and may have a little more time before Christmas. OpenGEM Core is the FreeGEM stuff. OpenGEM Complete contains the FreeGEM stuff plus some of the applications given with the GEM code by DR's owner (Caldera). However, they lost source code in a flood, so we need to reverse engineer it or whatever to make improvements. No one has the time right now. Shane From owen at owenrudge.net Tue Sep 30 06:26:32 2008 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:26:32 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? References: <20080928125841.E00DE328045@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: <475AD436E1504DA88F0708A554A99B11@lan.owenrudge.net> > Also, the GEM wiki and ?its backup? aren't apparently working: > http://wiki.freegem.net says that "it has a problem / is experiencing > technical difficulties" for several months now, and > http://wiki2.freegem.net > won't even load (Firefox explains that the redirection is looping, and > lynx > -text-mode- reports HTTP 301/302 "Moved" errors). Ah, it seems wiki2 was broken due to a change in the server configuration. I've fixed this now, so it should work. The main site is managed by Rob, who in theory was going to fix it a few months ago, but I guess didn't. :-) > Finally, it seems that the rest of FreeGEM/OpenGEM efforts have ceased > several years ago, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Those other webs > also > point to this mailing list for further information, so I guess that if I > can > find an answer to that, it should be here. Some people have done bits of work - John will appear now and then with a new driver or some AES enhancements, and, hmm, that's probably about it really. Sadly, it seems there isn't much else going on these days. In theory, one day I may get my FreeGEM Setup program finished and will actually release Owen's FreeGEM Distribution 2.0. In practice, that may be a long way away! Cheers, -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Sep 30 07:24:36 2008 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane Martin Coughlan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:24:36 +0200 Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? In-Reply-To: <475AD436E1504DA88F0708A554A99B11@lan.owenrudge.net> References: <20080928125841.E00DE328045@ns2.simpits.org> <475AD436E1504DA88F0708A554A99B11@lan.owenrudge.net> Message-ID: <48E236A4.4020501@shaneland.co.uk> Owen Rudge wrote: > Some people have done bits of work - John will appear now and then with a > new driver or some AES enhancements, and, hmm, that's probably about it > really. Sadly, it seems there isn't much else going on these days. In > theory, one day I may get my FreeGEM Setup program finished and will > actually release Owen's FreeGEM Distribution 2.0. In practice, that may be a > long way away! It would be cool if you released it though! Be interesting to have a nice setup application. From owen at owenrudge.net Tue Sep 30 08:10:07 2008 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:10:07 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? References: <20080928125841.E00DE328045@ns2.simpits.org><475AD436E1504DA88F0708A554A99B11@lan.owenrudge.net> <48E236A4.4020501@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <578CF51B072A44B2AFDCFDE027623887@lan.owenrudge.net> > It would be cool if you released it though! Be interesting to have a > nice setup application. It'd be nice, indeed. I'd have to install something like Windows 98 in a VM though, as I'm currently running 64-bit XP, which doesn't allow the running of 16-bit apps natively. Maybe one day... -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Sep 30 08:11:49 2008 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane Martin Coughlan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:11:49 +0200 Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? In-Reply-To: <578CF51B072A44B2AFDCFDE027623887@lan.owenrudge.net> References: <20080928125841.E00DE328045@ns2.simpits.org><475AD436E1504DA88F0708A554A99B11@lan.owenrudge.net> <48E236A4.4020501@shaneland.co.uk> <578CF51B072A44B2AFDCFDE027623887@lan.owenrudge.net> Message-ID: <48E241B5.4040205@shaneland.co.uk> Owen Rudge wrote: >> It would be cool if you released it though! Be interesting to have a >> nice setup application. > > It'd be nice, indeed. I'd have to install something like Windows 98 in a VM > though, as I'm currently running 64-bit XP, which doesn't allow the running > of 16-bit apps natively. Maybe one day... Or use GNU/Linux. Fedora and Ubuntu have pretty good click and go virtual machines :P Shane From owen at owenrudge.net Tue Sep 30 08:37:30 2008 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:37:30 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? References: <20080928125841.E00DE328045@ns2.simpits.org><475AD436E1504DA88F0708A554A99B11@lan.owenrudge.net> <48E236A4.4020501@shaneland.co.uk><578CF51B072A44B2AFDCFDE027623887@lan.owenrudge.net> <48E241B5.4040205@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <97E6D54C3ED24D0890B9A24CD0FE1E51@lan.owenrudge.net> > Or use GNU/Linux. Fedora and Ubuntu have pretty good click and go > virtual machines :P It doesn't make developing using 16-bit tools much easier though. ;-) I have VMware set up, I just don't have a suitably configured VM with useful tools in it these days, nor really do I have the time to work on anything just now. In theory I could release source code one day, but part of the system is a Visual Basic-based tool, and the other part uses Borland's Turbo Vision libraries (which are now actually open source, in a version for DJGPP/Windows/Linux). We'll see. -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From phantom_stranger at hotmail.com Tue Sep 30 09:21:20 2008 From: phantom_stranger at hotmail.com (Todd Bedwell) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Todd sent you a friend request on Tagged :) Message-ID: <20080930162121.64A443280EA@ns2.simpits.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20080930/49dd7ac7/attachment.html From rob at midworld.co.uk Tue Sep 30 09:25:27 2008 From: rob at midworld.co.uk (rob at midworld.co.uk) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:25:27 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Todd sent you a friend request on Tagged :) In-Reply-To: <20080930162121.64A443280EA@ns2.simpits.org> References: <20080930162121.64A443280EA@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: <20080930162527.GA25032@meurglys.midworld.co.uk> My days of loneliness are over! I can find everlasting happiness with a sea of badly-written html! Where do I sign up? On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 09:21:20AM -0700, Todd Bedwell wrote: > From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 18:21:38 2008 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? In-Reply-To: <97E6D54C3ED24D0890B9A24CD0FE1E51@lan.owenrudge.net> Message-ID: <678869.80402.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Did ANY of you have a peek at that ref. URL I provided a week, or so, ago? Among the ref.s URLs is one to "G-GUI". Owen says > part of the system > is a Visual Basic-based tool, Interestingly enough, when you unzip that zip archive for "G-GUI" and read a little of the Readme's, you find that he has used MS-VB 'tools' (or made something similar) for his work. There IS the DOS USB 'stuff'. http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/ I mentioned the COBOL /BUT/ there were others including G-GUI on this page http://www.georgpotthast.de/computer/cindex.htm I /thought/ you'd all be able to ;-) click on the G-GUI link and GOTO (I KNOW! I'm NOT supposed to use that in structured programming! :-D ) http://www.georgpotthast.de/g-gui/index.htm yourselves! BTW, When was / Where can be found: > the other part uses > Borland's Turbo Vision > libraries (which are now actually open source, in a version > for > DJGPP/Windows/Linux). A FEW more details, please. (DJGPP is the Free Assembler, right?) Sincerely, Thomas Clayton --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Owen Rudge wrote: > From: Owen Rudge > Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Current status and future? > To: "GEM Development" > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:37 AM > > Or use GNU/Linux. Fedora and Ubuntu have pretty good > click and go > > virtual machines :P > > It doesn't make developing using 16-bit tools much > easier though. ;-) I have > VMware set up, I just don't have a suitably configured > VM with useful tools > in it these days, nor really do I have the time to work on > anything just > now. In theory I could release source code one day, but > part of the system > is a Visual Basic-based tool, and the other part uses > Borland's Turbo Vision > libraries (which are now actually open source, in a version > for > DJGPP/Windows/Linux). We'll see. > > -- > Owen Rudge > http://www.owenrudge.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev From zaojashin at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:31:47 2008 From: zaojashin at yahoo.com (david johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] Current status and future? In-Reply-To: <678869.80402.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <799800.74463.qm@web58608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thomas, I took look and ran the examples under freedos.? That is as far as I got, though it looked interesting.? Thanks for the information. David Johnson --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Thomas Clayton wrote: From: Thomas Clayton Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Current status and future? To: "GEM Development" Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:21 PM Did ANY of you have a peek at that ref. URL I provided a week, or so, ago? Among the ref.s URLs is one to "G-GUI". Owen says > part of the system > is a Visual Basic-based tool, Interestingly enough, when you unzip that zip archive for "G-GUI" and read a little of the Readme's, you find that he has used MS-VB 'tools' (or made something similar) for his work. There IS the DOS USB 'stuff'. http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/ I mentioned the COBOL /BUT/ there were others including G-GUI on this page http://www.georgpotthast.de/computer/cindex.htm I /thought/ you'd all be able to ;-) click on the G-GUI link and GOTO (I KNOW! I'm NOT supposed to use that in structured programming! :-D ) http://www.georgpotthast.de/g-gui/index.htm yourselves! BTW, When was / Where can be found: > the other part uses > Borland's Turbo Vision > libraries (which are now actually open source, in a version > for > DJGPP/Windows/Linux). A FEW more details, please. (DJGPP is the Free Assembler, right?) Sincerely, Thomas Clayton --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Owen Rudge wrote: > From: Owen Rudge > Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Current status and future? > To: "GEM Development" > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:37 AM > > Or use GNU/Linux. Fedora and Ubuntu have pretty good > click and go > > virtual machines :P > > It doesn't make developing using 16-bit tools much > easier though. ;-) I have > VMware set up, I just don't have a suitably configured > VM with useful tools > in it these days, nor really do I have the time to work on > anything just > now. In theory I could release source code one day, but > part of the system > is a Visual Basic-based tool, and the other part uses > Borland's Turbo Vision > libraries (which are now actually open source, in a version > for > DJGPP/Windows/Linux). We'll see. > > -- > Owen Rudge > http://www.owenrudge.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev _______________________________________________ gem-dev mailing list gem-dev at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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