From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Dec 2 07:44:27 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:44:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... Message-ID: The simpits.org server will be down for maintenance for a few hours today. This means that the mailing lists will be off line for a short period of time. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 11:17:59 2008 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:17:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <889980.43109.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh darn. Just when I had those seven pages of source code to "pass along". Where did I put that file? I seem to have forgotten. Now, seriously: IF I had source code (the pages in the back of Balma and Fitler - which the local (Evanston) public library SEEMs to have lost! - scanned and OCRed is what I specifically have in mind) to share with you (VERY plural); THEN how / where would I do so? Tom C who's going to "go after" that library - till they find it! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Gene Buckle wrote: > From: Gene Buckle > Subject: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... > To: simpits-tech at simpits.org > Cc: simpits-chat at simpits.org, gem-dev at simpits.org > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 9:44 AM > The simpits.org server will be down for maintenance for a > few hours today. > This means that the mailing lists will be off line for a > short period of > time. > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Dec 3 11:26:02 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:26:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... In-Reply-To: <889980.43109.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <889980.43109.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Oh darn. Just when I had those seven pages of source code to "pass > along". > > Where did I put that file? I seem to have forgotten. > > > > Now, seriously: IF I had source code (the pages in the back of Balma and > Fitler - which the local (Evanston) public library SEEMs to have lost! - > scanned and OCRed is what I specifically have in mind) to share with you > (VERY plural); THEN how / where would I do so? Funny how a few hours turned into 24+... oh well. Ben should be able to handle it. If not, let me know. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 11:25:58 2008 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:25:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <119491.60473.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW! That WAS a quick reply! Tom C (PS, there weren't seven pages of source code.) --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Gene Buckle wrote: > From: Gene Buckle > Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... > To: "GEM Development" > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:26 PM > > Oh darn. Just when I had those seven pages of source > code to "pass > > along". > > > > Where did I put that file? I seem to have forgotten. > > > > > > > > Now, seriously: IF I had source code (the pages in the > back of Balma and > > Fitler - which the local (Evanston) public library > SEEMs to have lost! - > > scanned and OCRed is what I specifically have in mind) > to share with you > > (VERY plural); THEN how / where would I do so? > > Funny how a few hours turned into 24+... oh well. > > Ben should be able to handle it. If not, let me know. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev From owen at owenrudge.net Wed Dec 3 11:32:25 2008 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:32:25 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... References: <889980.43109.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Funny how a few hours turned into 24+... oh well. You could probably have got away without informing us, I'm not sure how many people would have noticed. ;-) Still, it sparked a bit of discussion, I guess! Cheers, -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Dec 3 16:51:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:51:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... In-Reply-To: References: <889980.43109.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Owen Rudge wrote: >> Funny how a few hours turned into 24+... oh well. > > You could probably have got away without informing us, I'm not sure how many > people would have noticed. ;-) Still, it sparked a bit of discussion, I > guess! Yeah. Unfortunately as of about 10am this morning, my name server is under constant attack from a botnet. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Wed Dec 3 16:21:27 2008 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter R Green) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:21:27 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Simpits maintenance... In-Reply-To: References: <889980.43109.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49372287.3000802@pnc.com.au> Owen Rudge wrote: > > Still, it sparked a bit of discussion, I > guess! > > ... and a "G'day!" from me. Almost time for me to send my annual Happy Christmas greeting to you all, too. Peter From jem at archivalladolid.org Tue Dec 30 16:20:52 2008 From: jem at archivalladolid.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Emilio_Mori_Recio?=) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:20:52 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] GEM not going forward... Comments? Message-ID: <20081231002108.60A08328014@ns2.simpits.org> Hello again and happy new year to everyone. I've been waiting these weeks for news on OpenGEM 7, updates on Shane's site, and/or the fixing of the primary GEM Wiki, in order to open an account and begin to extend its information... but nothing has changed so far. I'm somewhat disappointed, as I thought I could be of some help to the project. As of the wiki, I can deal with Linux, MySQL and MediaWiki, if it were possible to help remotely in fixing it, or in making wiki2 the primary one, or even in providing a new web hosting and setting up a new wiki. I was also thinking about translating and maybe some programming. But it would be nonsense and impossible to do all that alone and without help nor information. I've seen this list has 91 members. I don't know how much interest is left on the project for all of us, but I would like to know. Maybe there are some people like me willing to help a bit with things that the rest currently has no time to spent in, in order to relaunch the GEM project. Anyway... I look forward to your answers about what's going on, and I'll try my best to help keeping GEM alive. Best regards, // Jos? Emilio Mori Recio - http://www.gui.uva.es/~jem \\ || Administrador Inform?tico, Arzobispado de Valladolid y Archivo || \\ Miembro 088 del Grupo Universitario de Inform?tica, Valladolid // From zaojashin at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 18:59:00 2008 From: zaojashin at yahoo.com (david johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:59:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] GEM not going forward... Comments? In-Reply-To: <20081231002108.60A08328014@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: <297945.19003.qm@web58606.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello Jos?, I have had some fun playing around with the FreeGEM code that has been published on the web.? It has mostly been a therapeutic exercise or hobby as it is the only bit of programming I do.?? Simple stuff, but If you like you can take a look at http://www.geocities.com/zaojashin/freegem.html I've made some recent updates and added some screenshots. Likewise, happy new year. Take care, David Johnson --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Jos? Emilio Mori Recio wrote: From: Jos? Emilio Mori Recio Subject: [GEM Development] GEM not going forward... Comments? To: gem-dev at simpits.org Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:20 PM Hello again and happy new year to everyone. I've been waiting these weeks for news on OpenGEM 7, updates on Shane's site, and/or the fixing of the primary GEM Wiki, in order to open an account and begin to extend its information... but nothing has changed so far. I'm somewhat disappointed, as I thought I could be of some help to the project. As of the wiki, I can deal with Linux, MySQL and MediaWiki, if it were possible to help remotely in fixing it, or in making wiki2 the primary one, or even in providing a new web hosting and setting up a new wiki. I was also thinking about translating and maybe some programming. But it would be nonsense and impossible to do all that alone and without help nor information. I've seen this list has 91 members. I don't know how much interest is left on the project for all of us, but I would like to know. Maybe there are some people like me willing to help a bit with things that the rest currently has no time to spent in, in order to relaunch the GEM project. Anyway... I look forward to your answers about what's going on, and I'll try my best to help keeping GEM alive. Best regards, // Jos? Emilio Mori Recio - http://www.gui.uva.es/~jem \\ || Administrador Inform?tico, Arzobispado de Valladolid y Archivo || \\ Miembro 088 del Grupo Universitario de Inform?tica, Valladolid // _______________________________________________ gem-dev mailing list gem-dev at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20081230/02fa747e/attachment.html From owen at owenrudge.net Wed Dec 31 03:37:17 2008 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:37:17 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] GEM not going forward... Comments? In-Reply-To: <20081231002108.60A08328014@ns2.simpits.org> References: <20081231002108.60A08328014@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: <495B596D.5010005@owenrudge.net> > I'm somewhat disappointed, as I thought I could be of some help to the > project. As of the wiki, I can deal with Linux, MySQL and MediaWiki, if it > were possible to help remotely in fixing it, or in making wiki2 the primary > one, or even in providing a new web hosting and setting up a new wiki. I was > also thinking about translating and maybe some programming. But it would be > nonsense and impossible to do all that alone and without help nor > information. Well, I host wiki2, and could make that the primary wiki if need be. It'd probably be better to get in touch with Rob to see what's happening with the primary wiki, though. Regards, -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From goughsw at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 06:03:20 2008 From: goughsw at gmail.com (Shane Gough) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:03:20 +1000 Subject: [GEM Development] GEM not going forward... Comments? In-Reply-To: <20081231002108.60A08328014@ns2.simpits.org> References: <20081231002108.60A08328014@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: <7da8e8830812310603j4f0099b0qa04b6522d1359330@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'm a new member so I'm still catching up on the changes (or lack of changes). I've joined because I'm interested in porting some software to GEM, now I've got it to install under both FreeDOS and a MS-DOS installation I'm keen to do some more work. At the moment I'm playing with TP 5.5 and TP 7 (using a set of disks I bought a long, long time ago). I'd like to play with C and C++ with OpenGEM but I don't have the information to work with those situations at the moment (google is helping though). What is the status of GEM at the moment? I imagine for most people it would be a toy (or a visit to the past). Cheers, Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20090101/e747119e/attachment.html From zaojashin at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 10:20:01 2008 From: zaojashin at yahoo.com (david johnson) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:20:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] GEM not going forward... Comments? In-Reply-To: <7da8e8830812310603j4f0099b0qa04b6522d1359330@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <240531.21101.qm@web58601.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Shane, I think the status is both; I find the history related to Digital Research interesting. The easiest starting point that I have found it to use the Pacific-C GEM bindings from John Elliott and the "text window" routine (tw.zip) from Heniz Rath -- http://www.geocities.com/heinz_rath/ David --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Shane Gough wrote: From: Shane Gough Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEM not going forward... Comments? To: "GEM Development" Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 9:03 AM Hi all, I'm a new member so I'm still catching up on the changes (or lack of changes). I've joined because I'm interested in porting some software to GEM, now I've got it to install under both FreeDOS and a MS-DOS installation I'm keen to do some more work. At the moment I'm playing with TP 5.5 and TP 7 (using a set of disks I bought a long, long time ago). I'd like to play with C and C++ with OpenGEM but I don't have the information to work with those situations at the moment (google is helping though). What is the status of GEM at the moment? I imagine for most people it would be a toy (or a visit to the past). Cheers, Shane _______________________________________________ gem-dev mailing list gem-dev at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20081231/0c38f287/attachment.html From pcgem at mbernstein.de Wed Dec 31 11:43:10 2008 From: pcgem at mbernstein.de (Michael Bernstein) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:43:10 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] GEM not going forward... Comments? In-Reply-To: <20081231002108.60A08328014@ns2.simpits.org>; from jem@archivalladolid.org on Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 01:20:52AM +0100 References: <20081231002108.60A08328014@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: <20081231204309.A8752@mbernstein.de> Hello Jos? Emilio Mori Recio, > I've been waiting these weeks for news on OpenGEM 7, Which news do you want to read? I think, PC-GEM is more or less finished. For the applications exist no source code. So you have a collection of all exisiting GEM applications. GEM istelf was recompiled, the desktop was modified. And the paket includes all existing VDI graphic drivers. > and/or the fixing of the primary GEM Wiki, in order to open an account > and begin to extend its information... but nothing has changed so far. For development documentation, there is no need for a wiki. Because Atari computers also use GEM as a gui, you can use the documentaton about the TOS (operating system for Atari computer) as a refernce. You can fin a online version in german at atari.mbernstein.de an in english (not really all translated at this time) at toshyp.atari.org This text was based on UDO (www.udo-open-source.org) as a meta language and you can generate many other output formas. Because the text was modular, it was easy to ad a additional target PC-GEM as output. The use of this text will save your time for other projects and can help a little bit, if you want to write GEM applications. > I've seen this list has 91 members. I don't know how much interest is left > on the project for all of us, but I would like to know. I think, for most of them, the interest was gone. > ... and I'll try my best to help keeping GEM alive. But what should a user do with GEM? For most of the work with a PC, a user will use a more modern OS which was capable to use all the resources inside a modern PC. PC-GEM was limited to the 640 KB DOS memory. in this memory should fit VDI, AES and your application. As far as i remember, video graphics buffer was limited to 64 KB. So it is a problem to use modern higher resolutions (and you have no VDI graphic drivers). You can take a look at Atari computers to see a possible way, in which direction GEM can be expanded. With MiNT/N.AES/oAESis/XaAES and NVDI or MagiC you have TOS (TOS is similar to DOS) which was expanded by multitasking and some POSIX functionality. And the modern AES can handle multitasking, has 3D look, ... But for all this ideas, you will always have to problem of limited resources under DOS. So you need a good reason for someone to "play" with GEM. And you need a direction for further development of GEM. Leave it as a DOS application? Then maybe there was room for new graphics drivers? And additional applications. Or make a jump to a system which can handle more memory, maybe multitasking. In this case you can also take a look to the Atari computer and try to port some applications. I have set up a VMWare image with FreeDOS and GEM. So i need no old PC or boot DOS instead of my main operating system. Maybe such a image will help others to take a look at PC-GEM. Best regards Michael Bernstein From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 19:16:18 2008 From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Michael Kerpan) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:16:18 -0600 Subject: [GEM Development] gem-dev Digest, Vol 50, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8dd2d95c0812311916x5cdc8b95me45bb3648e2721c3@mail.gmail.com> Wow. That BWBASIC port is impressive. In fact, it looks like its more or less trhe nicest version of BWBASIC around. As for a "use" for GEM, I was think of, perhaps, some sort of use for homebrew embedded projects. Chances are, GEM, running on some sort of FPGA-based 8086 clone could be a useful system for providing graphical services. Mike