From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 12:31:24 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:31:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] TZ Environment Variable and This Weekend Message-ID: <334811.70133.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Group: Since you're all so advanced, this probably won't come as any surprise: Daylight Savings Time (DST) starts THIS weekend - NOT the last one of the month as WAS usual. There was some discussion of this on another list (POSSI) that I belong to. So I figured I just give you the 'gist' of solution here. " While setting up EMX run-times on my computer - to TRY and get CD/Record to work (for use with UpDCD) - I noticed in the accompanying *.INF file the exact 'syntax' for the TZ environment variable. I'll state / post it here because it is textual and (fairly) clear. >From ~~Eberhard Mathias's~~ EMXRT Inf file (with spacing, paragraphs, and two [inserts] from me): "" The TZ environment variable controls how to compute Coordinated Universal Time (UTC aka GMT) from local time. (Note that under Unix, TZ is used for computing local time from UTC as UTC is used for the system clock under Unix; under OS/2 and DOS, local time is used for the system clock.) The value of TZ has the following format: TZ1[OFF,[TZ2[,SM,SW,SD,ST,EM,EW,ED,ET,SHIFT]]] TZ1 is the three-letter name of the standard timezone. OFF is the offset to Coordinated Universal Time; positive values are to the west of the Prime Meridian, negative values are to the east of the Prime Meridian. The offset can be specified as hours, hours and minutes, or hours, minutes, and seconds. Hours, minutes, and seconds are separated by colons. If OFF is not specified, an offset of 0 will be used (this may change in the future). TZ2 is the three-letter name of the summer timezone (daylight saving time). If TZ2 is not specified, daylight saving time does not apply. If TZ2 is specified, daylight saving time does apply[.] [T]he remainder of the TZ's value specifies when and how to change to and back from daylight saving time. SM through ST define, in current local time, when to switch from standard time to daylight saving time, EM through ET define, in current local time, when to switch from daylight saving time to standard time. (On the southern hemisphere, the end date precedes the start date.) SHIFT is the amount of change in seconds. SM specifies the month (1 through 12) of the change. SW specifies the week of the change; if this value is zero, SD specifies the day of month (1 through 31). If SW is positive (1 through 4), the change occurs on weekday SD (0=Sunday through 6=Saturday) of the SWth week of the specified month. The first week of a month starts on the first Sunday of the month. If SW is negative (-1 through -4), the change occurs on weekday SD (0=Sunday through 6=Saturday) of the -SWth week of the specified month, counted from the end of the month (that is, -1 specifies the last week of the month). The last week of a month starts on the last Sunday of the month. ST specifies the time of the change, in seconds. Note that ST is specified in local standard time and ET is specified in local daylight saving time. Example: CET-1CED,3,-1,0,7200,10,-1,0,10800,3600 In this example, the name of the standard time zone is CET, the name of the summer time zone is CED. Daylight saving time starts at 2:00 on the last Sunday of March and ends at 3:00 on the last Sunday of October. Time changes by one hour in daylight saving time. If no characters follow TZ2, the rule `,4,1,0,3600,10,-1,0,7200,3600' will be used: Daylight saving time starts at 1:00 on the first Sunday of April and ends at 2:00 on the last Sunday of October. Time changes by one hour in daylight saving time. "" " " I hope its all clear for everyone who needs it. We'll see this weekend if YOU got the "Set TZ= ..." correct. Me? I just intend to 'turn the clock' forward an hour, the next time I turn it on, after the change occurs. We keep REAL accurate time here! ;-) (Hopefully the airlines, etc. don't do it MY way!) " Sincerely, Thomas Clayton ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 12:38:07 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:38:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] TZ Environment Variable and This Weekend In-Reply-To: <334811.70133.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <639175.78789.qm@web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Addenda: > We'll see this weekend if YOU got the "Set TZ= ..." correct. > > Me? I just intend to 'turn the clock' forward an hour, > the next time I turn it on, after the change occurs. > We keep REAL accurate time here! ;-) > > (Hopefully the airlines, etc. don't do it MY way!) What ME worry? ( <-- from a(n in)famous juvie mag.) I'm just taking my monthly turn watching over the nuclear arsenal this weekend. (Nice to have known you.) (Un)sincerely, Thomas Clayton ;-) Good Luck, one and all. --- Thomas Clayton wrote: > Dear Group: > > Since you're all so advanced, this probably won't come as any > surprise: > Daylight Savings Time (DST) starts THIS weekend - NOT the last one of > the month as WAS usual. There was some discussion of this on another > list (POSSI) that I belong to. So I figured I just give you the > 'gist' > of solution here. > > " > While setting up EMX run-times on my computer - to TRY and get > CD/Record to work (for use with UpDCD) - I noticed in the > accompanying > *.INF file the exact 'syntax' for the TZ environment variable. I'll > state / post it here because it is textual and (fairly) clear. > > > >From ~~Eberhard Mathias's~~ EMXRT Inf file (with spacing, > paragraphs, > and two [inserts] from me): > > "" > The TZ environment variable controls how to compute Coordinated > Universal Time (UTC aka GMT) from local time. (Note that under Unix, > TZ is used for computing local time from UTC as UTC is used for the > system clock under Unix; under OS/2 and DOS, local time is used for > the > system clock.) > > > The value of TZ has the following format: > TZ1[OFF,[TZ2[,SM,SW,SD,ST,EM,EW,ED,ET,SHIFT]]] > > TZ1 is the three-letter name of the standard timezone. > > OFF is the offset to Coordinated Universal Time; positive values are > to > the west of the Prime Meridian, negative values are to the east of > the > Prime Meridian. The offset can be specified as hours, hours and > minutes, or hours, minutes, and seconds. Hours, minutes, and seconds > are separated by colons. If OFF is not specified, an offset of 0 > will > be used (this may change in the future). > > TZ2 is the three-letter name of the summer timezone (daylight saving > time). If TZ2 is not specified, daylight saving time does not apply. > > If TZ2 is specified, daylight saving time does apply[.] > > [T]he remainder of the TZ's value specifies when and how to change > to > and back from daylight saving time. SM through ST define, in current > local time, when to switch from standard time to daylight saving > time, > EM through ET define, in current local time, when to switch from > daylight saving time to standard time. (On the southern hemisphere, > the end date precedes the start date.) SHIFT is the amount of change > in seconds. > > SM specifies the month (1 through 12) of the change. SW specifies > the > week of the change; if this value is zero, SD specifies the day of > month (1 through 31). > If SW is positive (1 through 4), the change occurs on weekday SD > (0=Sunday through 6=Saturday) of the SWth week of the specified > month. > The first week of a month starts on the first Sunday of the month. > If SW is negative (-1 through -4), the change occurs on weekday SD > (0=Sunday through 6=Saturday) of the -SWth week of the specified > month, > counted from the end of the month (that is, -1 specifies the last > week > of the month). The last week of a month starts on the last Sunday of > the month. > ST specifies the time of the change, in seconds. Note that ST is > specified in local standard time and ET is specified in local > daylight > saving time. > > Example: > CET-1CED,3,-1,0,7200,10,-1,0,10800,3600 > In this example, the name of the standard time zone is CET, the > name > of the summer time zone is CED. Daylight saving time starts at 2:00 > on > the last Sunday of March and ends at 3:00 on the last Sunday of > October. Time changes by one hour in daylight saving time. > > If no characters follow TZ2, the rule `,4,1,0,3600,10,-1,0,7200,3600' > will be used: Daylight saving time starts at 1:00 on the first Sunday > of April and ends at 2:00 on the last Sunday of October. Time > changes > by one hour in daylight saving time. > "" > > " > " > I hope its all clear for everyone who needs it. > We'll see this weekend if YOU got the "Set TZ= ..." correct. > > Me? I just intend to 'turn the clock' forward an hour, > the next time I turn it on, after the change occurs. > We keep REAL accurate time here! ;-) > > (Hopefully the airlines, etc. don't do it MY way!) > " > > > Sincerely, > > Thomas Clayton ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From owen at owenrudge.net Wed Mar 7 12:42:03 2007 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:42:03 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] TZ Environment Variable and This Weekend References: <334811.70133.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <059401c760f9$134af070$6501a8c0@rudgexp> > Since you're all so advanced, this probably won't come as any surprise: > Daylight Savings Time (DST) starts THIS weekend - NOT the last one of > the month as WAS usual. There was some discussion of this on another > list (POSSI) that I belong to. So I figured I just give you the 'gist' > of solution here. In the United States, perhaps. The clocks still change when they pretty much always have over here, last Sunday of March. ;-) -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 13:02:14 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:02:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] TZ Environment Variable and This Weekend In-Reply-To: <059401c760f9$134af070$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: <562684.19744.qm@web33613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So it is NOT a World wide circumstance. Hmmm. Still, JUST in CASE someone 'here' (<-double entendre) needed it; I've posted it. TomC --- Owen Rudge wrote: > > Since you're all so advanced, this probably won't come as any > surprise: > > Daylight Savings Time (DST) starts THIS weekend - NOT the last one > of > > the month as WAS usual. There was some discussion of this on > another > > list (POSSI) that I belong to. So I figured I just give you the > 'gist' > > of solution here. > > In the United States, perhaps. The clocks still change when they > pretty much > always have over here, last Sunday of March. ;-) > > -- > Owen Rudge > http://www.owenrudge.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From nmatavkova at rogers.com Sat Mar 10 18:28:11 2007 From: nmatavkova at rogers.com (N. Edward Matavka) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:28:11 -0500 Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) Message-ID: Hey all! I haven't been in tune with GEM for a bit of a long time. Where do I download the latest version of GEM? Somehow, Shane Land only has ver. 5. Nick. From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Sun Mar 11 13:53:59 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <760247.47112.qm@web33607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ONLY vn. 5!~? Well that's STILL two above the 3.x - the last that DRI released! ;-) What isN'T in it, that you want? / think you need? (It's astounding to me what these guys - not me! - have been able to do with GEM on the PC. Also, btw, John Eliiot has been 'creeping up on' a general 1.024x768 (256 color?) video driver.) Sincerely, Thomas Clayton --- "N. Edward Matavka" wrote: > Hey all! I haven't been in tune with GEM for a bit of a long time. > Where do I download the latest version of GEM? Somehow, Shane Land > only has ver. 5. > > Nick. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From shane at shaneland.co.uk Mon Mar 12 04:44:44 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:44:44 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F53D2C.3080900@shaneland.co.uk> N. Edward Matavka wrote: > Hey all! I haven't been in tune with GEM for a bit of a long time. > Where do I download the latest version of GEM? Somehow, Shane Land > only has ver. 5. Hi Nick There is an OpenGEM 6 included with FreeDOS 1.0. OpenGEM 7 is nearly ready for release. I am very sorry for not updating the Shane Land website in a while. I have been really busy at work. I will update everything this week. If you want I can send you a copy of OpenGEM 6 by private email. Regards Shane From dennis at windows3.de Mon Mar 12 05:04:02 2007 From: dennis at windows3.de (Dennis Schulmeister) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:04:02 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <45F53D2C.3080900@shaneland.co.uk> References: <45F53D2C.3080900@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <1173701042.18683.2.camel@toshiba> Hi Shane, > There is an OpenGEM 6 included with FreeDOS 1.0. OpenGEM 7 is nearly > ready for release. > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev Maybe you can take a minute or two and explain what the differences are between release 5, 6 and 7? I really look forward to see any of those new releases and to try them out on my laptop. Thank you. Mit freundlichen Gr??en, Dennis Schulmeister -- Dennis Schulmeister - Schliffkopfweg 12 - 76189 Karlsruhe Tel: 0721/5978883 - Fax: 0721/5705992 - dennis at windows3.de http://www.windows3.de - http://www.denchris.de http://www.audiominds.com - http://www.motagator.net/bands/65 From nmatavkova at rogers.com Mon Mar 12 12:10:36 2007 From: nmatavkova at rogers.com (N. Edward Matavka) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:10:36 -0500 Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) Message-ID: Oh, sorry, my bad. I thought Shane had version seven up and running already. I actually have version six running on my Mac. I was just wondering whether GEM's headquarters had moved or something, that's all. Keep up the good work, fellas! Nick. From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Mar 13 03:03:11 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:03:11 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F676DF.8030505@shaneland.co.uk> N. Edward Matavka wrote: > Oh, sorry, my bad. I thought Shane had version seven up and running > already. I actually have version six running on my Mac. I was just > wondering whether GEM's headquarters had moved or something, that's > all. Keep up the good work, fellas! > Nick. Version 7 will be out 'real soon now'. I've just been swamped with work for a while. Shane :) From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Mar 13 06:14:18 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:14:18 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk> N. Edward Matavka wrote: > This is to inform you of a formal proposal to compile a sufficient body > of documentation to publish on the OpenGEM web site (with Shane Martin > Coughlan's co?peration) in portable document or hypertext markup > format. Please send public-domain or DGPL documentation on an > *end-user level* to me, Edward Matavka, the project co?rdinator. I > accept attachments (in editable format only) and pledge to edit and > collate everyone's suggestions. I am flexible, but I also must add > that if no activity occurs for an appreciable amount of time, I will > terminate the project. Furthermore, I am in search of hosting for this > project in order to create a homepage until the documentation is > written or revised (in the case of new versions of GEM). > Please respond promptly as to acceptance or refusal of proposal; your > timeliness will be greatly appreciated. I think it's a good idea. The key thing would be to create basic documentation for the GEM desktop to allow a new user to understand exactly how to use the basic functions of GEM right away, and perhaps to tell them about things like printing etc. Regards Shane From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Mar 13 06:21:12 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:21:12 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] OpenGEM 5, 6, 7 In-Reply-To: <1173701042.18683.2.camel@toshiba> References: <45F53D2C.3080900@shaneland.co.uk> <1173701042.18683.2.camel@toshiba> Message-ID: <45F6A548.3000604@shaneland.co.uk> Dennis Schulmeister wrote: >> There is an OpenGEM 6 included with FreeDOS 1.0. OpenGEM 7 is nearly >> ready for release. > > Maybe you can take a minute or two and explain what the differences are > between release 5, 6 and 7? > I really look forward to see any of those new releases and to try them > out on my laptop. OpenGEM 5 is here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/ OpenGEM 6 is currently bundled with FreeDOS 1.0 and I will shortly update the OpenGEM website to hold it. OpenGEM 6 is actually just the graphical user interface; it is not a distribution of all the GEM application as well. This is for stability reasons. The idea is that the core OpenGEM is really stable and that you are able to install the applications onto it. OpenGEM 6 contains minor updates to the graphical user interface, support for some inkjet printers and solves some configuration issues. OpenGEM 7 is just a refinement of OpenGEM 6 with some improved configuration and the latest drivers etc. It should be out shortly. Regards Shane From ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk Tue Mar 13 06:29:53 2007 From: ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk (Ben A L Jemmett) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:29:53 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> [Sorry, the original message got stuck in the moderation queue here because of an attachment; I was going to ask Edward to resend without it once I'd finished my lunch! I see the quote has saved me the trouble though, thanks :)] > I think it's a good idea. The key thing would be to create basic > documentation for the GEM desktop to allow a new user to understand > exactly how to use the basic functions of GEM right away, and > perhaps to tell them about things like printing etc. It's certainly a good idea; there used to be several very good books about using GEM. Some of them I have on my shelf at home still, some I leant out and never got back, but all are now out-of-print and I suspect some of the publishers are long out of business, too. Some nice documentation would be good; I'm told my style of writing is not ideal for doc writing though, or I'd have a go myself! I was about to suggest Rob's GEM Wiki might be a good place to assemble a collaborative effort, but I see it's offline at the moment -- probably understandable, I never did get around to adding anything! Regards, Ben A L Jemmett. (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/) From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Mar 13 06:40:49 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:40:49 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk> <010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: <45F6A9E1.80707@shaneland.co.uk> Ben A L Jemmett wrote: >> I think it's a good idea. The key thing would be to create basic >> documentation for the GEM desktop to allow a new user to understand >> exactly how to use the basic functions of GEM right away, and >> perhaps to tell them about things like printing etc. > > It's certainly a good idea; there used to be several very good books about > using GEM. Some of them I have on my shelf at home still, some I leant out > and never got back, but all are now out-of-print and I suspect some of the > publishers are long out of business, too. Some nice documentation would be > good; I'm told my style of writing is not ideal for doc writing though, or > I'd have a go myself! > I was about to suggest Rob's GEM Wiki might be a good place to assemble a > collaborative effort, but I see it's offline at the moment -- probably > understandable, I never did get around to adding anything! Just for now it might be worth getting started on the Opendawn Security Documentation Project wiki. I create a new page there that can only be accessed through this link: http://sdp.opendawn.com/index.php/Opengem At least that will give a space to get work underway. Regards Shane From owen at owenrudge.net Tue Mar 13 07:18:38 2007 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:18:38 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk><010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> <45F6A9E1.80707@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <006f01c7657a$8534bd30$6501a8c0@rudgexp> > Just for now it might be worth getting started on the Opendawn Security > Documentation Project wiki. I create a new page there that can only be > accessed through this link: > http://sdp.opendawn.com/index.php/Opengem That's probably not "the most appropriate" place though to start a wiki for GEM though, I'm sure. I did set up wiki.freegem.net some time ago, which current links to Rob's old wiki. If need be, I can set up a new wiki on freegem.net that is dedicated to GEM, although it would be best to see if we could get in touch with Rob first and see what's going on there. Regards, -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Mar 13 07:20:20 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:20:20 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <006f01c7657a$8534bd30$6501a8c0@rudgexp> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk><010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> <45F6A9E1.80707@shaneland.co.uk> <006f01c7657a$8534bd30$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: <45F6B324.70702@shaneland.co.uk> Owen Rudge wrote: >> Just for now it might be worth getting started on the Opendawn Security >> Documentation Project wiki. I create a new page there that can only be >> accessed through this link: >> http://sdp.opendawn.com/index.php/Opengem > > That's probably not "the most appropriate" place though to start a wiki for > GEM though, I'm sure. I did set up wiki.freegem.net some time ago, which > current links to Rob's old wiki. If need be, I can set up a new wiki on > freegem.net that is dedicated to GEM, although it would be best to see if we > could get in touch with Rob first and see what's going on there. Oh, you have a wiki possibility on freegem.net then that's clearly the way to go :) Does anyone have Rob's contact details? Regards Shane From ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk Tue Mar 13 07:25:46 2007 From: ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk (Ben A L Jemmett) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:25:46 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <006f01c7657a$8534bd30$6501a8c0@rudgexp> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk><010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk><45F6A9E1.80707@shaneland.co.uk> <006f01c7657a$8534bd30$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: <012401c7657b$7dec2800$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> > If need be, I can set up a new wiki on freegem.net that > is dedicated to GEM, although it would be best to see if we > could get in touch with Rob first and see what's going on there. I'll be able to grab hold of him this afternoon or evening, hopefully; I'm sure we have no shortage of hosting options (heck, I can stick one on either of my company's machines in Zurich, plenty of bandwidth and space), just of documentation to put there *grin* Regards, Ben A L Jemmett. (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/) From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Mar 13 07:27:48 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:27:48 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <012401c7657b$7dec2800$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk><010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk><45F6A9E1.80707@shaneland.co.uk> <006f01c7657a$8534bd30$6501a8c0@rudgexp> <012401c7657b$7dec2800$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: <45F6B4E4.9080005@shaneland.co.uk> Ben A L Jemmett wrote: >> If need be, I can set up a new wiki on freegem.net that >> is dedicated to GEM, although it would be best to see if we >> could get in touch with Rob first and see what's going on there. > > I'll be able to grab hold of him this afternoon or evening, hopefully; I'm > sure we have no shortage of hosting options (heck, I can stick one on either > of my company's machines in Zurich, plenty of bandwidth and space), just of > documentation to put there *grin* Zurich? Are you in Zurich? I'm in Zurich. I'm actually sitting in 25 Sumatrastrasse right now...near the main station. Shane From ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk Tue Mar 13 07:41:52 2007 From: ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk (Ben A L Jemmett) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:41:52 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <45F6B4E4.9080005@shaneland.co.uk> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk><010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk><45F6A9E1.80707@shaneland.co.uk> <006f01c7657a$8534bd30$6501a8c0@rudgexp><012401c7657b$7dec2800$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> <45F6B4E4.9080005@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <013401c7657d$bd6579d0$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> > Zurich? Are you in Zurich? I'm in Zurich. I'm actually > sitting in 25 Sumatrastrasse right now...near the main station. Unfortunately I'm not -- it's a lovely city, and in fact I'm considering taking a long weekend to visit at some point soon. I'm based in sunny Oxfordshire, but work for a small Swiss firm; we used to have an office in Zurich (on Muehlebachstrasse), until circumstances forced a re-org. Our servers still live in a datacentre in the city, however. Regards, Ben A L Jemmett. (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/) From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Mar 13 07:48:45 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:48:45 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <013401c7657d$bd6579d0$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk><010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk><45F6A9E1.80707@shaneland.co.uk> <006f01c7657a$8534bd30$6501a8c0@rudgexp><012401c7657b$7dec2800$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> <45F6B4E4.9080005@shaneland.co.uk> <013401c7657d$bd6579d0$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: <45F6B9CD.8090307@shaneland.co.uk> Ben A L Jemmett wrote: >> Zurich? Are you in Zurich? I'm in Zurich. I'm actually >> sitting in 25 Sumatrastrasse right now...near the main station. > > Unfortunately I'm not -- it's a lovely city, and in fact I'm considering > taking a long weekend to visit at some point soon. I'm based in sunny > Oxfordshire, but work for a small Swiss firm; we used to have an office in > Zurich (on Muehlebachstrasse), until circumstances forced a re-org. Our > servers still live in a datacentre in the city, however. If you come over here let's meet for a coffee. I know a nice jazz bar. It'd be good to finally have a chance to talk face to face. Regards Shane From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Mar 13 08:39:42 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <012401c7657b$7dec2800$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: > I'll be able to grab hold of him this afternoon or evening, hopefully; I'm > sure we have no shortage of hosting options (heck, I can stick one on either > of my company's machines in Zurich, plenty of bandwidth and space), just of > documentation to put there *grin* > Ben, you're welcome to host a wiki here as well if you like. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From nmatavkova at rogers.com Tue Mar 13 10:16:45 2007 From: nmatavkova at rogers.com (N. Edward Matavka) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:16:45 -0500 Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) Message-ID: I see that my documentation proposal has curried favour :) I was thinking I'd maybe even turn the Wiki into LaTEX and then into a PDF file. With regards to this, try not to make the wiki too 'wiki-ish' - basically, try to make it so that it makes sense when printed. Basically, what I had in mind for the final staged of this project was to have a 'virtual box' on Shane's web site: you could download two disks (Installer and Programme), a manual, quick reference guide and even a user registration form (free of course) print them out and use them. Basically, just like any commercial product on tesco's shelves today -- only you print your own manual instead of finding it in the box. Regards, Nick. From nmatavkova at rogers.com Tue Mar 13 10:22:58 2007 From: nmatavkova at rogers.com (N. Edward Matavka) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:22:58 -0500 Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) Message-ID: Well, well, well, Shane. Is this true? If it is, I might just as well give up. :) I seem to have attracted the wrong kind of attention. Begin forwarded message: > From: "nhhubner" > Date: 12 March 2007 21:35:13 GMT-05:00 > To: N. Edward Matavka > Subject: Re: Please read. > > Some time ago I sent some documentation on Basic2 for Gem to Shane. > None of it was ever posted on his site so I eventually gave up. There > has been nothing new happening on that site for a very long time and I > am beginning to think that the whole Gem thing is flogging a dead > horse. I guess you can take this as a refusal. Sorry about that. > NHHB. > > --- In gem-announce at yahoogroups.com, N. Edward Matavka > wrote: >> >> Gentlemen: >> >> This is to inform you of a formal proposal to compile a sufficient >> body >> of documentation to publish on the OpenGEM web site (with Shane Martin >> Coughlan's co?peration) in portable document or hypertext markup >> format. Please send public-domain or DGPL documentation on an >> *end-user level* to me, Edward Matavka, the project co?rdinator. I >> accept attachments (in editable format only) and pledge to edit and >> collate everyone's suggestions. I am flexible, but I also must add >> that if no activity occurs for an appreciable amount of time, I will >> terminate the project. Furthermore, I am in search of hosting for >> this >> project in order to create a homepage until the documentation is >> written or revised (in the case of new versions of GEM). >> >> Please respond promptly as to acceptance or refusal of proposal; your >> timeliness will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Yours sincerely, >> >> ---------- >> >> >> N. Edward Matavka. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2021 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20070313/b5500d08/attachment.bin From shane at shaneland.co.uk Tue Mar 13 09:27:14 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:27:14 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F6D0E2.4010300@shaneland.co.uk> N. Edward Matavka wrote: > Well, well, well, Shane. Is this true? If it is, I might just as well > give up. :) I seem to have attracted the wrong kind of attention. > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *"nhhubner" > *Date: *12 March 2007 21:35:13 GMT-05:00 > *To: *N. Edward Matavka > *Subject: Re: Please read. > * > Some time ago I sent some documentation on Basic2 for Gem to Shane. > None of it was ever posted on his site so I eventually gave up. There > has been nothing new happening on that site for a very long time and I > am beginning to think that the whole Gem thing is flogging a dead > horse. I guess you can take this as a refusal. Sorry about that. > NHHB. Actually, he sent two documents to me. He said he was preparing several documents and the intention was to release them bit by bit. The last time we talked was in October. I have been swamped since late September because I moved country and started a new job. I have had no time since then to work on the website or the release (which is why everything is late). I do apologise for the delay. This is something done in everyone's spare time. As it happens a few of us appear to have some degree of time right now to get more things underway. Shane From paul at paulcull.org Tue Mar 13 15:54:21 2007 From: paul at paulcull.org (Paul D. Cull) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:54:21 -0300 Subject: [GEM Development] Documentation In-Reply-To: <45F6D0E2.4010300@shaneland.co.uk> References: <45F6D0E2.4010300@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <000301c765c2$8b40a980$150f10ac@piii> Hi all, Awesome, signs of life in the GEM World! I'll try to dig up my prehistoric GEM backups and see what I can find on them. Regards Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 12/03/2007 7:19 p.m. From rob at midworld.co.uk Tue Mar 13 17:55:45 2007 From: rob at midworld.co.uk (Rob Mitchelmore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:55:45 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk> <010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: <45F74811.2040306@midworld.co.uk> Ben A L Jemmett wrote: > I was about to suggest Rob's GEM Wiki might be a good place to assemble a > collaborative effort, but I see it's offline at the moment -- probably > understandable, I never did get around to adding anything! I've fixed it. That machine suffered from a disc crash a few months ago (as I'm sure I've ranted at Ben about before), and I never quite got around to turning that back on. I've got moderately good at setting up mirroring for mediawiki now, so if anyone trusts me enough to give me somewhere I can rsync/ssh to and a mysql username I'll set up a nightly mirror. Alternatively I may well have another machine I can put a mirror on soon. Thanks, Rob From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 18:10:02 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <834138.61040.qm@web33603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (Nick?) Edward Matavka, could you PLEASE include a Subject line in your letters? Thank In Advance! Thomas Clayton --- "N. Edward Matavka" wrote: > Well, well, well, Shane. Is this true? If it is, I might just as > well > give up. :) I seem to have attracted the wrong kind of attention. > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "nhhubner" > > Date: 12 March 2007 21:35:13 GMT-05:00 > > To: N. Edward Matavka > > Subject: Re: Please read. > > > > Some time ago I sent some documentation on Basic2 for Gem to Shane. > > None of it was ever posted on his site so I eventually gave up. > There > > has been nothing new happening on that site for a very long time > and I > > am beginning to think that the whole Gem thing is flogging a dead > > horse. I guess you can take this as a refusal. Sorry about that. > > NHHB. > > > > --- In gem-announce at yahoogroups.com, N. Edward Matavka > > wrote: > >> > >> Gentlemen: > >> > >> This is to inform you of a formal proposal to compile a sufficient > > >> body > >> of documentation to publish on the OpenGEM web site (with Shane > Martin > >> Coughlan's co?peration) in portable document or hypertext markup > >> format. Please send public-domain or DGPL documentation on an > >> *end-user level* to me, Edward Matavka, the project co?rdinator. > I > >> accept attachments (in editable format only) and pledge to edit > and > >> collate everyone's suggestions. I am flexible, but I also must > add > >> that if no activity occurs for an appreciable amount of time, I > will > >> terminate the project. Furthermore, I am in search of hosting for > > >> this > >> project in order to create a homepage until the documentation is > >> written or revised (in the case of new versions of GEM). > >> > >> Please respond promptly as to acceptance or refusal of proposal; > your > >> timeliness will be greatly appreciated. > >> > >> Yours sincerely, > >> > >> ---------- > >> > >> > >> N. Edward Matavka. > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From owen at owenrudge.net Tue Mar 13 18:33:40 2007 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:33:40 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk><010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> <45F74811.2040306@midworld.co.uk> Message-ID: <012001c765d8$cecef740$6501a8c0@rudgexp> > I've got moderately good at setting up mirroring for mediawiki now, so > if anyone trusts me enough to give me somewhere I can rsync/ssh to and a > mysql username I'll set up a nightly mirror. Alternatively I may well > have another machine I can put a mirror on soon. I could set up such a thing no problem. Send me an e-mail in private and we can sort it out. (For those who don't know, I've branched out into web hosting in the past few years and currently have a small company that's doing not too badly as a result!) -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 18:34:06 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: <573159.26932.qm@web33615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben and Gene: I notice BOTH your signatures have "deltasoft" in them. Ben is in Oxfordshire (UK) and Gene I THOUGHT you are in NW Pacific USA (Seattle?). Did I mistake something? The reason for the question is: As I'm moving in the next months(?) - more than a few weeks, I hope! - and I've got a BOX full original GEM materials (another of other DRI & QdI, yet another of OS/2-OS/3) and I may have to 'discard excess baggage' (I hope NOT these!); WHO is the closest GEM-Dev list member to Chicago, IL, USA.? I've NEVER found the GEM Scan I've been looking for, BTW. Also, BTW, I've been looking for whatever happened to DAVEY BRAIN (Ohio, USA) for some years now. (He had answered my request asking for my 80488 upgraded PS/2 55sx and, when I wanted to deliver last Autumn, I got NO replies at ANY of his e-mail addresses. I hope he's OK.) Sincerely, Thomas Clayton --- Ben A L Jemmett wrote: > [Sorry, the original message got stuck in the moderation queue here > because > of an attachment; I was going to ask Edward to resend without it once > I'd > finished my lunch! I see the quote has saved me the trouble though, > thanks > :)] > > > I think it's a good idea. The key thing would be to create basic > > documentation for the GEM desktop to allow a new user to understand > > exactly how to use the basic functions of GEM right away, and > > perhaps to tell them about things like printing etc. > > It's certainly a good idea; there used to be several very good books > about > using GEM. Some of them I have on my shelf at home still, some I > leant out > and never got back, but all are now out-of-print and I suspect some > of the > publishers are long out of business, too. Some nice documentation > would be > good; I'm told my style of writing is not ideal for doc writing > though, or > I'd have a go myself! > > I was about to suggest Rob's GEM Wiki might be a good place to > assemble a > collaborative effort, but I see it's offline at the moment -- > probably > understandable, I never did get around to adding anything! > > Regards, > Ben A L Jemmett. > (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/) > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From rob at midworld.co.uk Tue Mar 13 18:45:22 2007 From: rob at midworld.co.uk (Rob Mitchelmore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:45:22 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] [GEM Announcements] Please read. In-Reply-To: <012001c765d8$cecef740$6501a8c0@rudgexp> References: <45F6A3AA.9050809@shaneland.co.uk><010101c76573$af826030$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> <45F74811.2040306@midworld.co.uk> <012001c765d8$cecef740$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: <45F753B2.10300@midworld.co.uk> Owen Rudge wrote: > I could set up such a thing no problem. Send me an e-mail in private and we > can sort it out. (For those who don't know, I've branched out into web > hosting in the past few years and currently have a small company that's > doing not too badly as a result!) > Replied offlist. Thanks. From lyricalnanoha at dosius.ath.cx Tue Mar 13 18:57:25 2007 From: lyricalnanoha at dosius.ath.cx (Lyrical Nanoha) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <573159.26932.qm@web33615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <573159.26932.qm@web33615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Thomas Clayton wrote: > WHO is the closest GEM-Dev list member to Chicago, IL, USA.? I don't know if anyone else is closer but I'm Niagara Falls, NY, USA -uso. ----------------------------------------------------------- There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: Soap, Ballot, Jury, Ammo. Use in that order, starting now. -- Attr. to Ed Howdershelt From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Mar 13 20:49:11 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:49:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <573159.26932.qm@web33615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I notice BOTH your signatures have "deltasoft" in them. Ben is in > Oxfordshire (UK) and Gene I THOUGHT you are in NW Pacific USA > (Seattle?). Did I mistake something? > Nope. I'm in Graham, WA. > The reason for the question is: > As I'm moving in the next months(?) - more than a few weeks, I hope! - > and I've got a BOX full original GEM materials (another of other DRI & > QdI, yet another of OS/2-OS/3) and I may have to 'discard excess > baggage' (I hope NOT these!); > I can certainly store the stuff in my attic for you if need be. > > Also, BTW, I've been looking for whatever happened to DAVEY BRAIN > (Ohio, USA) for some years now. (He had answered my request asking for > my 80488 upgraded PS/2 55sx and, when I wanted to deliver last Autumn, > I got NO replies at ANY of his e-mail addresses. I hope he's OK.) > 80488? g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rob at midworld.co.uk Wed Mar 14 15:07:47 2007 From: rob at midworld.co.uk (Rob Mitchelmore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:07:47 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] GEMWiki Message-ID: <45F87233.9040106@midworld.co.uk> Greetings - GEMwiki now *seems* to be operational. The read/write site is at http://wiki.freegem.net/ or http://gemwiki.airwired.org/; the read-only mirror as provided by Owen is at http://wiki2.freegem.net/. I'd like to say I'll get time to work out how to make them both read-write soon, but given the meeting I just had, I'd almost certainly be lying. Thanks, Rob From dlormand at aztecfreenet.org Wed Mar 14 21:53:57 2007 From: dlormand at aztecfreenet.org (David Ormand) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:53:57 -0700 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials Message-ID: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> > WHO is the closest GEM-Dev list member to Chicago, IL, USA.? I'm in Tucson. Don't know that I can do much with your box other than hold it. > Also, BTW, I've been looking for whatever happened to DAVEY BRAIN > (Ohio, USA) for some years now. (He had answered my request asking for > my 80488 upgraded PS/2 55sx and, when I wanted to deliver last Autumn, > I got NO replies at ANY of his e-mail addresses. I hope he's OK.) Davey used to hang out on the TI-99/4A list. You can check the archives at ti99_4a at yahoogroups.com From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Thu Mar 15 06:52:05 2007 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter R Green) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:52:05 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> References: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> Message-ID: <45F94F85.3020709@pnc.com.au> G'day, all! It's a pity that we didn't keep better records of how to contact each other. We've lost a few interesting people along the way. Robert Avis, Freya, Armand, a few German chaps... There was even someone in the next suburb to me, whose name I forget. Unfortunately my last laptop suffered a Diet Coke-related mishap (my wife caught her foot in the cable when turning to walk away after handing me a drink) and I have not been able yet to persuade Thunderbird to vomit up several years' worth of e-mails and addresses copied across from the rescued hard drive. Would that someone would create a simple merge utility! It always seems to me to be a lot easier to nuke one and replace it with the other than to pull what already existed into what has now been created. The consequence is that far more has disappeared than I am comfortable with. I hope Davey can be retrieved from wherever he has been filed. Peter David Ormand wrote: > > WHO is the closest GEM-Dev list member to Chicago, IL, USA.? > > I'm in Tucson. Don't know that I can do much with your box other than > hold it. > > > Also, BTW, I've been looking for whatever happened to DAVEY BRAIN > > (Ohio, USA) for some years now. (He had answered my request asking for > > my 80488 upgraded PS/2 55sx and, when I wanted to deliver last Autumn, > > I got NO replies at ANY of his e-mail addresses. I hope he's OK.) > > Davey used to hang out on the TI-99/4A list. You can check the archives > at ti99_4a at yahoogroups.com > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > > From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Thu Mar 15 06:53:42 2007 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter R Green) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:53:42 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> References: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> Message-ID: <45F94FE6.70104@pnc.com.au> G'day, all! It's a pity that we didn't keep better records of how to contact each other. We've lost a few interesting people along the way. Robert Avis, Freya, Armand, a few German chaps... There was even someone in the next suburb to me, whose name I forget. Unfortunately my last laptop suffered a Diet Coke-related mishap (my wife caught her foot in the cable when turning to walk away after handing me a drink) and I have not yet been able to persuade Thunderbird to vomit up several years' worth of e-mails and addresses copied across from the rescued hard drive. Would that someone would create a simple merge utility! It always seems to me to be a lot easier to nuke one and replace it with the other than to pull what already existed into what has now been newly created. The consequence is that far more has disappeared than I am comfortable with. I hope Davey can be retrieved from wherever he has been filed. Peter David Ormand wrote: > > WHO is the closest GEM-Dev list member to Chicago, IL, USA.? > > I'm in Tucson. Don't know that I can do much with your box other than > hold it. > > > Also, BTW, I've been looking for whatever happened to DAVEY BRAIN > > (Ohio, USA) for some years now. (He had answered my request asking for > > my 80488 upgraded PS/2 55sx and, when I wanted to deliver last Autumn, > > I got NO replies at ANY of his e-mail addresses. I hope he's OK.) > > Davey used to hang out on the TI-99/4A list. You can check the archives > at ti99_4a at yahoogroups.com > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > > From shane at shaneland.co.uk Thu Mar 15 06:57:59 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:57:59 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45F94F85.3020709@pnc.com.au> References: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> <45F94F85.3020709@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <45F950E7.1070801@shaneland.co.uk> Peter R Green wrote: > There was even someone in the next suburb to me, whose name I forget. > Unfortunately my last laptop suffered a Diet Coke-related mishap (my > wife caught her foot in the cable when turning to walk away after > handing me a drink) and I have not been able yet to persuade Thunderbird > to vomit up several years' worth of e-mails and addresses copied across > from the rescued hard drive. Would that someone would create a simple > merge utility! It always seems to me to be a lot easier to nuke one and > replace it with the other than to pull what already existed into what > has now been created. Sorry about your laptop problem. My suggestion is to take the old profile and load it in a mail client you don't use as your primary one (perhaps you could download a copy of Mobility Email or something) and then copy all of the emails and folders into a single folder called 'oldmails'. In your normal desktop email client create a folder called 'oldmails' as well. Now, just copy *that* folder from the temporary email client into the normal desktop client profile, restart, and you should have all the old emails. Shane From codesuidae at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 08:58:02 2007 From: codesuidae at gmail.com (code suidae) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:58:02 -0500 Subject: [GEM Development] Newbie questions about OpenGEM Message-ID: Greetings, I'm interested in the possibility of developing an OpenGEM application to do some hardware control tasks via the parallel port. Since timing precision is critical and my application utilizes timer interrupts for it's operation I'm interested in opinions on how well OpenGEM would work with this sort of application. Also, so far I have only run OpenGEM in DOSBox where the mouse response is a little sluggish when clicking. Is mouse performance under non-emulated DOS snappy and responsive as it is under Windows? I'm also curious if anyone has done any work with developing with Borlands CLX under OpenGEM? Thanks CS -- "Our ignorance is not so vast as our failure to use what we know." - M. King Hubbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greens and grays look orange etc. When I tried altering code as follows: dv_decode_full_frame(m_decoder, videobuf, e_dv_color_yuv, &decodedbuf, pitches); //changed e_dv_color_yuv to e_dv_color_rgb m_image.image.fromYVYU(decodedbuf); //changed to fromRGB This makes colors OK, it also signficantly lowers CPU usage, but the image is now mangled with bottom having bunch of junk and top half being split into 3 mirror images of the actual image. Any ideas what can be done to address this? Best wishes, Ico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20070315/67ec8f47/attachment.html From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Thu Mar 15 12:47:29 2007 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter R Green) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:47:29 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45F950E7.1070801@shaneland.co.uk> References: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> <45F94F85.3020709@pnc.com.au> <45F950E7.1070801@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <45F9A2D1.8020008@pnc.com.au> Good suggestion -- I'll try it. Thanks. I was beginning to think that it was time to upgrade, probably after The Big Trip next month. But I had hoped to have a laptop to sell on e-bay rather than a collection of retrieved parts. Anyway, I now have a nice new Toshiba with a bigger hard disk than I've ever had in a desktop machine, so I'm not unhappy in that respect. My only complaint is that the numeric overlay keys are almost illegibly marked -- small blue characters on the edges of the dark grey keys. You need a torch and magnifying glass. We'll be passing through Z?rich on 17 April, but as part of a tour, so unfortunately I doubt that we will get an opportunity to seek you out on Sumatrastrasse, but if I see any signs about open software, I'll wave in their general direction, just in case. Cheers, Peter Shane M. Coughlan wrote: > Peter R Green wrote: > >> There was even someone in the next suburb to me, whose name I forget. >> Unfortunately my last laptop suffered a Diet Coke-related mishap (my >> wife caught her foot in the cable when turning to walk away after >> handing me a drink) and I have not been able yet to persuade Thunderbird >> to vomit up several years' worth of e-mails and addresses copied across >> from the rescued hard drive. Would that someone would create a simple >> merge utility! It always seems to me to be a lot easier to nuke one and >> replace it with the other than to pull what already existed into what >> has now been created. >> > > Sorry about your laptop problem. My suggestion is to take the old > profile and load it in a mail client you don't use as your primary one > (perhaps you could download a copy of Mobility Email or something) and > then copy all of the emails and folders into a single folder called > 'oldmails'. In your normal desktop email client create a folder called > 'oldmails' as well. > > Now, just copy *that* folder from the temporary email client into the > normal desktop client profile, restart, and you should have all the old > emails. > > Shane > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > > From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 15 16:38:32 2007 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:38:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] Another driver update Message-ID: It seems an opportune time to note my latest update to the FreeGEM driver source: * Merged changes to build drivers for GSX-86 rather than GEM. * Fixed a bug in the calculation of Y-coordinate ranges for a polygon, which could slow a fill down under rare circumstances. * Fixed the 3270PC low-res driver so it doesn't get a divide error when setting line width greater than 1. * Created a 720x540 driver for those chipsets which support it (currently only tested on a Chips&Technologies 82C451). * There's an 800x600x16 driver which supports VESA and some non-VESA chipsets, including Trident, Paradise and C&T 82C451. * There's a 256-colour driver for the Paradise VGA. It does 640x480x256 if the video card has enough memory, 640x400x256 otherwise. The reason I can do the Paradise 640x480x256 driver when I can't do a VESA 640x480x256 driver is that the Paradise hardware is more flexible; it lets me position the memory window at arbitrary 4k offsets, so I can use a 60k window (corresponding to 96 whole lines) rather than a 64k window (corresponding to 102.4 lines). I've only tested the Paradise 640x480x256 driver on an XT, on which it was sloooow. -- John Elliott From shane at shaneland.co.uk Fri Mar 16 02:27:54 2007 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:27:54 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45F9A2D1.8020008@pnc.com.au> References: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> <45F94F85.3020709@pnc.com.au> <45F950E7.1070801@shaneland.co.uk> <45F9A2D1.8020008@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <45FA631A.7070507@shaneland.co.uk> Peter R Green wrote: > Good suggestion -- I'll try it. Thanks. Don't forget to back everything up before playing around! > We'll be passing through Z?rich on 17 April, but as part of a tour, so > unfortunately I doubt that we will get an opportunity to seek you out on > Sumatrastrasse, but if I see any signs about open software, I'll wave in > their general direction, just in case. +41792633406 is the mobile number if you want to give me a call. :) Regards Shane From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Fri Mar 16 03:23:45 2007 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter R Green) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:23:45 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45FA631A.7070507@shaneland.co.uk> References: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> <45F94F85.3020709@pnc.com.au> <45F950E7.1070801@shaneland.co.uk> <45F9A2D1.8020008@pnc.com.au> <45FA631A.7070507@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <45FA7031.8080206@pnc.com.au> Thanks, Shane! It has a lot more to do with opportunity than with desire: I'd like to meet you and the others, but it depends on how long we have in Z?rich, and whether we are free or being taken around somewhere. My mobile is +61413146065. I don't expect I'll be changing anything about that while I roam the world. I know one thing, though: having seen the per meg roaming charges in Germany and Switzerland, I won't be using my mobile as a modem -- maybe much cheaper Italy,,, All the best, Peter Shane M. Coughlan wrote: > Peter R Green wrote: > >> Good suggestion -- I'll try it. Thanks. >> > > Don't forget to back everything up before playing around! > > >> We'll be passing through Z?rich on 17 April, but as part of a tour, so >> unfortunately I doubt that we will get an opportunity to seek you out on >> Sumatrastrasse, but if I see any signs about open software, I'll wave in >> their general direction, just in case. >> > > +41792633406 is the mobile number if you want to give me a call. :) > > Regards > > Shane > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > > From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 18:56:31 2007 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:56:31 -0400 Subject: [GEM Development] another videoDV4L bug In-Reply-To: <7cc710c20703141556x732c4770x41be6d38fd9f5b70@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cc710c20703141547y395803en22c11ac52bcda097@mail.gmail.com> <7cc710c20703141556x732c4770x41be6d38fd9f5b70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7cc710c20703141856p36c6e5cbo8cc6cb2cb13552fd@mail.gmail.com> > BTW, this is somewhat OT but is there a way to limit how many frames are captured from the camera per > second in order to limit its CPU usage? Never mind. Figured this one as well. First I set out to change pix_videoNEW allowing it to receive msg with fps but then during testing realized that this gave me a much lower resolution than simply adjusting the gem object's frame message (DOH!). At any rate, attached is the bug-fix patch for the color issues on videoDV4L (diff -uw). Best wishes, Ico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20070316/ba013b1d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's possible to hook the timer interrupt in GEM, but since this is also hooked by GEM itself you have to make sure to call the original handler. The GEM function vex_timv() will hook the timer interrupt and return the address of the previous handler; it should be called with interrupts disabled. > Also, so far I have only run OpenGEM in DOSBox where the mouse response is a > little sluggish when clicking. Is mouse performance under non-emulated DOS > snappy and responsive as it is under Windows? The thing with GEM and mouse clicks is that when you click once, GEM will wait to see if there's another click so that it can tell if what it's got is a double- or a single-click. Depending on what double-click time you have configured this may take up to half a second. > I'm also curious if anyone has done any work with developing with Borlands > CLX under OpenGEM? Unlikely; CLX, as I understand it, is a wrapper round the Qt widget set, and I've not heard of anyone trying to port Qt to GEM. -- John Elliott From codesuidae at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 14:55:35 2007 From: codesuidae at gmail.com (code suidae) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:55:35 -0500 Subject: [GEM Development] Newbie questions about OpenGEM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/16/07, John Elliott wrote: > > > Since timing > > precision is critical and my application utilizes timer interrupts for > > it's operation I'm interested in opinions on how well OpenGEM would work > > with this sort of application. > > It's possible to hook the timer interrupt in GEM, but since this is also > hooked by GEM itself you have to make sure to call the original handler. > The > GEM function vex_timv() will hook the timer interrupt and return the > address > of the previous handler; it should be called with interrupts disabled. Any idea how much time I can expect GEM to take during it's timer routines? Also is there anything I can do to minimize the amount of time it needs, or is that something that is fairly fixed? The distribution of GEM that my app would run under would be distributed with and for my app, so if it would help I'd consider making modifications to GEM to accommodate my app's requirements. > I'm also curious if anyone has done any work with developing with Borlands > > CLX under OpenGEM? > > Unlikely; CLX, as I understand it, is a wrapper round the Qt widget set, > and I've not heard of anyone trying to port Qt to GEM. > I shouldn't have said 'Borlands' CLX. The DWLP project uses an adaptation of Borlands CLX library that has been modified to be OS and UI independent. With this the Delphi GUI form designer can be used to create forms that compile down to DWLP's Turbo Vision TUI classes with support for both DOS (using DWLP's DPMI and running on MS-DOS, FreeDOS or other DOS-like systems) and under windows (console mode). I'm curious if it might be possible to do something similar with GEM. DWPL is, AFAIK, all 32bit protected mode though, so it might not be practical to get anything going. Just an idea. I'm investigating both DWLP and GEM as options for my project and it occurred to me that perhaps I could get the best of both worlds. I've downloaded the GEM development files and it all looks fairly straight-forward. I'm planning to try it out this weekend. Thanks for the info. Dave K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's always DJGPP if you want to code 32-bit for GEM. -uso. ----------------------------------------------------------- There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: Soap, Ballot, Jury, Ammo. Use in that order, starting now. -- Attr. to Ed Howdershelt From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 19:06:44 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45FA631A.7070507@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <671031.48577.qm@web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey you two: Do you KNOW of ANY phone numbers begining with - instead of + ? Tom C --- "Shane M. Coughlan" wrote: > Peter R Green wrote: > > Good suggestion -- I'll try it. Thanks. > > Don't forget to back everything up before playing around! > > > We'll be passing through Z?rich on 17 April, but as part of a tour, > so > > unfortunately I doubt that we will get an opportunity to seek you > out on > > Sumatrastrasse, but if I see any signs about open software, I'll > wave in > > their general direction, just in case. > > +41792633406 is the mobile number if you want to give me a call. :) > > Regards > > Shane ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 19:06:47 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45FA7031.8080206@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <118426.95085.qm@web33611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey you two: Do you KNOW of ANY phone numbers begining with - instead of + ? Tom C --- Peter R Green wrote: > Thanks, Shane! > > It has a lot more to do with opportunity than with desire: I'd like > to > meet you and the others, but it depends on how long we have in > Z?rich, > and whether we are free or being taken around somewhere. > > My mobile is +61413146065. I don't expect I'll be changing anything > about that while I roam the world. I know one thing, though: having > seen > the per meg roaming charges in Germany and Switzerland, I won't be > using > my mobile as a modem -- maybe much cheaper Italy,,, > > All the best, > > Peter > > > Shane M. Coughlan wrote: > > Peter R Green wrote: > > > >> Good suggestion -- I'll try it. Thanks. > >> > > > > Don't forget to back everything up before playing around! > > > > > >> We'll be passing through Z?rich on 17 April, but as part of a > tour, so > >> unfortunately I doubt that we will get an opportunity to seek you > out on > >> Sumatrastrasse, but if I see any signs about open software, I'll > wave in > >> their general direction, just in case. > >> > > > > +41792633406 is the mobile number if you want to give me a call. > :) > > > > Regards > > > > Shane > > _______________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 19:09:03 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <555182.66944.qm@web33601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > 80488? Yeah. A 80488 micro-processor. Want to make something of it? ;-) An 80(0)88 (= 80088) you'll remember - ok, maybe NOT Owen who IS, much younger than I thought he was - has half the data lines than an 80(0)86 'chip'. The 80386 came out with 32 data and 32 address lines. The "80386SX" came out later and had 16 data lines and 24 address lines. Then they called the original an "80386DX". Well the first IS an 80386, and the second was an 80388 - in MY terms. The FPUs, therefore, are 80387 and 80389 (MY terms). Next there was the 80486-ES MESS. These are easily 'straightened out': the first was an 80485 (HAS an internal FPU, was an "80486DX", 32D,32A), the second was an 80486 (does NOT have an internal FPU, was an "80486SX", 32D,32A), thirdly, CYRIX and later TI and IBM, came out with "80486"es which were NOT either of the above. They're called 80488es, by me. Can you GUESS their properties? That's (probably) correct. (*see end) See how easy that makes things! ;-) Most everyone uses an x85 chip now-a-days, BTW. BTW: THIS SYSTEM was (/IS?) TO GO TO DAVEY BRAIN! - which is why I'm searching for him. We (he and I) agreed to this some time ago - Spring '6 I think - and when I TRIED to contact him in the late Autumn the e-addressES I had for him, didn't work. Sincerely - though jokingly, at first, Thomas Clayton *An 80488 has 16 data lines, 24 address lines, caches that OFTEN are a fraction of the 80485/6es - though IBM boosted their's to double size - and, of course, NO internal FPU. The specific chip in the system is a clock DOUBLED version so that it's 25MHz X2 = 50MHz internally and from IBM, so it has TWICE the cache - 16KB. No "L2" cache though, but a 'full' 16MB RAM is included. Runs OS/2 1.3 with a Cirrus Logic 1MB '26 video accelerator. Real Pretty. Ran everything GEM that I could get my hands on, at one time. (640x480x16colors) that Wm. Walsh - of PS/2 website fame - IS recieving from me . I HAVE to rid myself of SOME things. He'll turn it 'over to' Davey Brain WHEN Davey wants it. Wm. is in middle IL, USA. --- Gene Buckle wrote: > > I notice BOTH your signatures have "deltasoft" in them. Ben is in > > Oxfordshire (UK) and Gene I THOUGHT you are in NW Pacific USA > > (Seattle?). Did I mistake something? > > > Nope. I'm in Graham, WA. > > > The reason for the question is: > > As I'm moving in the next months(?) - more than a few weeks, I > hope! - > > and I've got a BOX full original GEM materials (another of other > DRI & > > QdI, yet another of OS/2-OS/3) and I may have to 'discard excess > > baggage' (I hope NOT these!); > > > I can certainly store the stuff in my attic for you if need be. > > > > > Also, BTW, I've been looking for whatever happened to DAVEY BRAIN > > (Ohio, USA) for some years now. (He had answered my request asking > for > > my 80488 upgraded PS/2 55sx and, when I wanted to deliver last > Autumn, > > I got NO replies at ANY of his e-mail addresses. I hope he's OK.) > > > 80488? > > g. > > -- > "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 19:09:38 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45F8D165.8070402@aztecfreenet.org> Message-ID: <759212.89706.qm@web33613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Davey used to hang out on the TI-99/4A list. !!! That is great to know! He (and I) seem to have started out with TI-99s, 'graduated' to GEM at some point, and both chose OS/2Warp as our 'platform' of choice. I've 'seen him' on lists for the later items and didn't know about his 99er activities. My web searches for him "turn up" someone with the same name involved in a band called "The Clip Bandits". It COULD be the same person ... but I don't know enough to say - and can't get the video (Utube?) to stream-in at 56K modem speeds :-( . In ANY CASE, IF anyone IS contacted by him, ask him to contact ME. Sincerely, Thomas Clayton --- David Ormand wrote: > > WHO is the closest GEM-Dev list member to Chicago, IL, USA.? > > I'm in Tucson. Don't know that I can do much with your box other > than > hold it. > > > Also, BTW, I've been looking for whatever happened to DAVEY BRAIN > > (Ohio, USA) for some years now. (He had answered my request asking > for > > my 80488 upgraded PS/2 55sx and, when I wanted to deliver last > Autumn, > > I got NO replies at ANY of his e-mail addresses. I hope he's OK.) > > Davey used to hang out on the TI-99/4A list. You can check the > archives > at ti99_4a at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From owen at owenrudge.net Sat Mar 17 02:02:19 2007 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:02:19 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials References: <671031.48577.qm@web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012d01c76872$fc443f40$6501a8c0@rudgexp> > Do you KNOW of ANY phone numbers begining with > - > instead of + > ? "+" just means it's an international call - the way it is dialled depends upon your location. In the UK, for instance, you dial 00 before it (eg, 00 44 1857 ...). In the US, I believe it's 001, then the number, that you dial, but I may be wrong. ;-) -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 17 02:24:30 2007 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:24:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] Newbie questions about OpenGEM In-Reply-To: from "code suidae" at Mar 16, 2007 04:55:35 Message-ID: > Any idea how much time I can expect GEM to take during it's timer routines? > > Also is there anything I can do to minimize the amount of time it needs, or > is that something that is fairly fixed? The distribution of GEM that my app > would run under would be distributed with and for my app, so if it would > help I'd consider making modifications to GEM to accommodate my app's > requirements. The source for the GEM timer handler can be found in the AES source tree in gemdosif.as (Pacific C builds) or gemdosif.a86 (Lattice C builds). What it does is: 1. If CMP_TICK is nonzero, decrement it and increase NUM_TICK by one. If that caused CMP_TICK to become zero, queue a "tchange" event for next time the dispatcher runs. 2. If gl_bdely is nonzero, then call b_delay(1). This will decrement gl_bdely by one; if it becomes zero, one or two "bchange" events will be queued. There's probably a maximum number of cycles that lot will take. -- John Elliott From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Sat Mar 17 04:23:32 2007 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter R Green) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:23:32 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <012d01c76872$fc443f40$6501a8c0@rudgexp> References: <671031.48577.qm@web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <012d01c76872$fc443f40$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: <45FBCFB4.7080305@pnc.com.au> That's pretty much it... The extra piece of information needed here is that all you need to do with your mobile phone when putting numbers into memory is to add the international dialling code starting with the + bit, and the system works out where your call should go to. For Shane to call me manually, he would have to dial (from memory) 001161413146065, whereas someone locally would dial 0413146065 for manual dialling. Thanks, Owen -- I only just connected and downloaded my e-mails. How's the weather at the upper end of the world these days? Thomas: did you have any information about roughly where Davey used to live? Perhaps you can track him down through phone numbers or other publicly available information, other than what Google has picked up. Peter Owen Rudge wrote: >> Do you KNOW of ANY phone numbers begining with >> - >> instead of + >> ? >> > > "+" just means it's an international call - the way it is dialled depends > upon your location. In the UK, for instance, you dial 00 before it (eg, 00 > 44 1857 ...). In the US, I believe it's 001, then the number, that you dial, > but I may be wrong. ;-) > > From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 15:56:04 2007 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:56:04 -0400 Subject: [GEM Development] another videoDV4L bug In-Reply-To: <7cc710c20703141547y395803en22c11ac52bcda097@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cc710c20703141547y395803en22c11ac52bcda097@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7cc710c20703141556x732c4770x41be6d38fd9f5b70@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, I think I figured it out. After m_image.image.fromYVYU(decodedbuf); I added m_image.image.swapRedBlue(); and now it works. Strange... I guess this should be added as a patch (at least on Linux DV). BTW, this is somewhat OT but is there a way to limit how many frames are captured from the camera per second in order to limit its CPU usage? Best wishes, Ico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20070317/ba01fd45/attachment.html From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 12:55:44 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] USA Members and GEM Materials In-Reply-To: <45FBCFB4.7080305@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <773573.51064.qm@web33611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter: Davey was in Ohio USA - near Cincinati(sp), I think. I may have - in an earlier letter - nearer where-abouts for him. My problem is they - earlier letters that I've kept/keep - are scattered about several systems / backups of those systems. Can't spend the time - at the moment to find them. I've used some 'specialized' people search engines for him - and other people for other reasons - and didn't 'come up with' anything definite. NOT something to loose sleep over. Wm. Walsh will hold onto till Davey - IF he still wants it - 'surfaces' again. ***End of Thread*** Sincerely, Thomas Clayton --- Peter R Green wrote: > That's pretty much it... > > The extra piece of information needed here is that all you need to do > > with your mobile phone when putting numbers into memory is to add the > > international dialling code starting with the + bit, and the system > works out where your call should go to. > > For Shane to call me manually, he would have to dial (from memory) > 001161413146065, whereas someone locally would dial 0413146065 for > manual dialling. > > Thanks, Owen -- I only just connected and downloaded my e-mails. > How's > the weather at the upper end of the world these days? > > Thomas: did you have any information about roughly where Davey used > to > live? Perhaps you can track him down through phone numbers or other > publicly available information, other than what Google has picked up. > > Peter > > > Owen Rudge wrote: > >> Do you KNOW of ANY phone numbers begining with > >> - > >> instead of + > >> ? > >> > > > > "+" just means it's an international call - the way it is dialled > depends > > upon your location. In the UK, for instance, you dial 00 before it > (eg, 00 > > 44 1857 ...). In the US, I believe it's 001, then the number, that > you dial, > > but I may be wrong. ;-) ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 23 10:38:16 2007 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:38:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] More early screenshots Message-ID: This scan of Acorn User from November 1984 has some early screenshots of GEM, several months before GEM/1 was released (though unfortunately they're rather grainy): My comments: 1. I've never seen a standalone icon editor before, but the only copies of the GEM PTK we've got are quite late. Presumably the editor ended up as part of the RCS. 2. Solid title bars rather than shaded (as in GEM/1) or outlines (as in GEM/2). 3. Applications are again named *.EXE rather than *.APP. 4. The Desk menu is amazingly well-populated compared to what we finally got. Of course, a lot of the options may not have been implemented. "About the Desktop" - OK, that one turned up in releases. "Help on Desktop" - No released version of GEM had online help until ViewMAX. "Exit" - Putting the Exit command in the Desk menu rather than the File menu. Plus ca change, plus c'est MacOS X. "Supplies" - Whatever was that? "Clipboard" - Presumably intended to be a clipboard viewer. "Calculator" - That one survived. "List Manager" - Was this the print spooler, or something else? "Control Panel" - Presumably what currently ended up as the Options menu in GEM/1. Note that there's no Options menu in the screenshots. 5. The Desktop has an Edit menu, though I don't know if it did anything. -- John Elliott From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 24 16:21:58 2007 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] GPL question Message-ID: Does anyone know if the GPL applies to all existing components of Digital Research GEM, or only those bits which were originally uploaded to Tim Olmstead's page back in 1999? The reason I'm asking is that the existing mirrors of Tim's page don't contain the GEM release that was made for the BBC Master 512. The drivers from this are interesting in various respects[*] and it would be nice to include them in the FreeGEM driver packs I've been doing. The copyright messages read Digital Research rather than Acorn, so my hope is that they count as part of DR GEM. About 2% of the code (going by a hasty line count) seems to be unique to the Acorn drivers. (By the way, one of the weirdest drivers I've encountered so far is for the Apricot F1. It generates code on the fly in order to accelerate drawing operations.) [*] Firstly, the copyright date in the Master 512 drivers is 1984, which could be as much as two years before the Master 512 itself existed; and the internal structure is closest to the drivers supplied with GEM 1.1. This suggests that they were written for the ABC 300 and updated little if at all for the Master 512. Secondly there's the whole question of the colour driver, which behaves as a perfectly sane 4-colour 640x256 driver until the point that the bitmap gets sent across the Tube. Then DOS Plus (not the driver) squishes it down to 320x256. The only reason I can think of for such a driver existing at all is that the ABC 300 or some planned future ABC was intended to have a 640x256x4 mode. -- John Elliott From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Sat Mar 24 22:33:30 2007 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GEM Development] GPL question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <408405.17174.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been wondering EXACTLY what was released and covered, for some time. Mind if I listen-in to the answer? ;-) e.g. I know my copies of Ventura Publisher are NOT covered but ... (complementary thought lost since I stepped away for ten minutes.) Tom Clayton --- John Elliott wrote: > Does anyone know if the GPL applies to all existing components of > Digital > Research GEM, or only those bits which were originally uploaded to > Tim > Olmstead's page back in 1999? > > The reason I'm asking is that the existing mirrors of Tim's page > don't > contain the GEM release that was made for the BBC Master 512. The > drivers > from this are interesting in various respects[*] and it would be nice > to > include them in the FreeGEM driver packs I've been doing. The > copyright > messages read Digital Research rather than Acorn, so my hope is that > they > count as part of DR GEM. About 2% of the code (going by a hasty line > count) > seems to be unique to the Acorn drivers. > > (By the way, one of the weirdest drivers I've encountered so far is > for > the Apricot F1. It generates code on the fly in order to accelerate > drawing > operations.) > > [*] Firstly, the copyright date in the Master 512 drivers is 1984, > which > could be as much as two years before the Master 512 itself existed; > and the > internal structure is closest to the drivers supplied with GEM 1.1. > This > suggests that they were written for the ABC 300 and updated little if > at all > for the Master 512. > Secondly there's the whole question of the colour driver, which > behaves as > a perfectly sane 4-colour 640x256 driver until the point that the > bitmap > gets sent across the Tube. Then DOS Plus (not the driver) squishes it > down > to 320x256. The only reason I can think of for such a driver existing > at all > is that the ABC 300 or some planned future ABC was intended to have a > 640x256x4 mode. > > -- > John Elliott > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Mar 25 13:50:40 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:50:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] GPL question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Does anyone know if the GPL applies to all existing components of Digital > Research GEM, or only those bits which were originally uploaded to Tim > Olmstead's page back in 1999? > John as far as I know, it was ALL DRI GEM code was to go GPL. At least that was the understanding between myself and Roger Gross, the Caldera guy that I worked with on the release. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rob at midworld.co.uk Mon Mar 26 01:21:31 2007 From: rob at midworld.co.uk (rob at midworld.co.uk) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:21:31 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] More early screenshots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070326082131.GA17267@mordred.midworld.co.uk> On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 05:38:16PM +0000, John Elliott wrote: > This scan of Acorn User from November 1984 has some early screenshots of > GEM, several months before GEM/1 was released (though unfortunately they're > rather grainy): For some reason, this gives me an inexplicable urge to fire up my Arthur emulator for some garishly coloured retro action From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 26 11:45:47 2007 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:45:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [GEM Development] GPL question In-Reply-To: from "Gene Buckle" at Mar 25, 2007 12:50:40 Message-ID: > John as far as I know, it was ALL DRI GEM code was to go GPL. At least > that was the understanding between myself and Roger Gross, the Caldera guy > that I worked with on the release. Oh well, if you say so... now has reconstructed source for the original Acorn drivers, and updated versions for GEM/3. -- John Elliott