From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 19:52:33 2006 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:52:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) Message-ID: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Testing to see IF my address IS OK. I haven't gotten the monthly notice for Dec.! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 13:44:31 2006 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:44:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Davey Brain: Please Contact Me Message-ID: <935111.86632.qm@web33615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Davey: My attempts to write you at the address that is within your earlier posts to this list didn't work. Please write me at this address so that we can set up a phone call about the computer you wanted me to get to you (when we last exchanged letters last Spring). Sincerely, Thomas Clayton Original Letter(S): Dear Davey: As I recall, you had expressed an interest in my old Reply-upgraded IBM PS/2 55SX. (The fact that I haven't mentioned it ALL Summer doesn't mean I've TOTALLY forgotten.) In any case. my sister's are wanting my to 'clean house' (literally) so as to prepare for putting it up for sale next Spring. So I think that we need to talk - literally talk. My phone no. is: . I'm often out in the evenings - though there is an answering system built-in to the phone - till ten PM at this library using the Inet access here OR other errands. (I live near Chicago, IL, BTW.) IF you give me your's AND suggested times for calling, I'd be glad to telephone you (and 'foot the bill' for the call). I think I remember you saying you're in Ohio. Sincerely, Thomas Clayton OS/2 Warp user POSSI member & GEM-Dev list-serv member ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Sun Dec 10 14:34:24 2006 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter Green) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:34:24 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20061210/2e54891c/attachment.html From blairdude at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 14:49:07 2006 From: blairdude at gmail.com (Blair Campbell) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:49:07 -0800 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> References: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <7705c9030612101449w3a663b42rba5cc887c719d859@mail.gmail.com> I'm left. On 12/10/06, Peter Green wrote: > G'day, Thomas! > > Perhaps you and I are the only ones left. > > How are things going with all the house sorting and such? I guess you and > the family are not looking forward to your happiest Christmas season. > > To any GEM people still around, I hope your Christmas/ holiday planning is > going well. > > I was thinking... how far back does the GEM group go? I think I've been > involved since 1998 or 1999, but could be wrong. It's been a while... > > Cheers, > > Peter > > Thomas Clayton wrote: > > Testing to see IF my address IS OK. > > I haven't gotten the monthly notice for Dec.! > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 10 14:53:30 2006 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: from "Blair Campbell" at Dec 10, 2006 02:49:07 Message-ID: > > I'm left. I'm Spartacus. -- John Elliott From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Dec 10 15:19:49 2006 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:19:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > > I'm left. > > I'm Spartacus. > I take it that means you like gladiator movies? *runs* g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From paul at paulcull.org Sun Dec 10 16:27:54 2006 From: paul at paulcull.org (Paul Cull) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:27:54 -0200 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <7705c9030612101449w3a663b42rba5cc887c719d859@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> Still here... haven't touched GEM for a couple of years though! Paul -----Original Message----- From: Blair Campbell [mailto:blairdude at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2006 8:49 p.m. To: GEM Development Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) I'm left. On 12/10/06, Peter Green wrote: > G'day, Thomas! > > Perhaps you and I are the only ones left. > > How are things going with all the house sorting and such? I guess you and > the family are not looking forward to your happiest Christmas season. > > To any GEM people still around, I hope your Christmas/ holiday planning is > going well. > > I was thinking... how far back does the GEM group go? I think I've been > involved since 1998 or 1999, but could be wrong. It's been a while... > > Cheers, > > Peter > > Thomas Clayton wrote: > > Testing to see IF my address IS OK. > > I haven't gotten the monthly notice for Dec.! > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya _______________________________________________ gem-dev mailing list gem-dev at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 4:07 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 4:07 p.m. From Chris.Dostal at au.unisys.com Sun Dec 10 16:32:36 2006 From: Chris.Dostal at au.unisys.com (Dostal, Chris E.) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:32:36 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> Message-ID: <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> I think I joined around 1999/2000 ! Wow how the world has changed.. :-) *waves to everyone* Chris ________________________________ From: gem-dev-bounces at simpits.org on behalf of Paul Cull Sent: Mon 11/12/2006 11:27 AM To: 'GEM Development' Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) Still here... haven't touched GEM for a couple of years though! Paul -----Original Message----- From: Blair Campbell [mailto:blairdude at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2006 8:49 p.m. To: GEM Development Subject: Re: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) I'm left. On 12/10/06, Peter Green wrote: > G'day, Thomas! > > Perhaps you and I are the only ones left. > > How are things going with all the house sorting and such? I guess you and > the family are not looking forward to your happiest Christmas season. > > To any GEM people still around, I hope your Christmas/ holiday planning is > going well. > > I was thinking... how far back does the GEM group go? I think I've been > involved since 1998 or 1999, but could be wrong. It's been a while... > > Cheers, > > Peter > > Thomas Clayton wrote: > > Testing to see IF my address IS OK. > > I haven't gotten the monthly notice for Dec.! > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya _______________________________________________ gem-dev mailing list gem-dev at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 4:07 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 4:07 p.m. _______________________________________________ gem-dev mailing list gem-dev at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Peter Green wrote: > It's good to see that some of us still exist. Of course, there'll > probably be quite a few GEM people in the land of nod just now, too. > > I hope you are all keeping well. > > I'm left, too; and will certainly stay that way while Howard is our Bush-friendly PM. :-p > > Cheers, > > Peter Left, right, back, front, I dunno what I am and don't care. >:P -uso. ----------------------------------------------------------- There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: Soap, Ballot, Jury, Ammo. Use in that order, starting now. -- Attr. to Ed Howdershelt From shane_coughlan at hotmail.com Mon Dec 11 01:13:53 2006 From: shane_coughlan at hotmail.com (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:13:53 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> Peter Green wrote: > It's good to see that some of us still exist. Of course, there'll > probably be quite a few GEM people in the land of nod just now, too. I'm still around. Sorry to have been quiet lately. I started a new job with the Free Software Foundation Europe. That has meant moving to Switzerland and setting up a project here called the Freedom Task Force (FYI I did not come up with the name). We're at http://fsfeurope.org/ftf. OpenGEM is most certainly not dead. I plan to release OpenGEM 7 before Christmas. Regards Shane From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Mon Dec 11 01:30:23 2006 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter Green) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:30:23 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <457D252F.6050607@pnc.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20061211/99be6abb/attachment.html From shane at shaneland.co.uk Mon Dec 11 02:07:03 2006 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:07:03 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457D252F.6050607@pnc.com.au> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> <457D252F.6050607@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <457D2DC7.30708@shaneland.co.uk> Peter Green wrote: > I hope Switzerland works out well: sounds like an interesting situation. > You've travelled a bit lately. I see you clean up pretty well: very > professional! > (http://www.fsfeurope.org/about/coughlan/coughlan.en.html). I quite like > seeing what those people look like, with whom I correspond. Ah. Spotted! Zurich is a nice enough city. It looks quite like a postcard, though it is considerably more expensive than one. Things are hectic here as the first few months of starting the FTF project pass. There's a lot of running around meeting people, making contacts and getting deals underway. Regards Shane From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Mon Dec 11 03:11:42 2006 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter Green) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:11:42 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457D2DC7.30708@shaneland.co.uk> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> <457D252F.6050607@pnc.com.au> <457D2DC7.30708@shaneland.co.uk> Message-ID: <457D3CEE.6030902@pnc.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20061211/9377c87b/attachment.html From shane at shaneland.co.uk Mon Dec 11 03:46:09 2006 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:46:09 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457D3CEE.6030902@pnc.com.au> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> <457D252F.6050607@pnc.com.au> <457D2DC7.30708@shaneland.co.uk> <457D3CEE.6030902@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <457D4501.502@shaneland.co.uk> Peter Green wrote: > I doubt that we will slow enough to see the FSF headquarters, but wave > if you see a flying Trafalgar Tours bus occupied by (inter alia) a > rotund, bearded elderly bloke accompanied by a short haired, short > legged woman, possibly marked with a pink bicycle flag so that she won't > get lost in supermarkets. FSFE HQ (FSF and FSFE are actually totally separate sister organisations; different admin, different financing). ;) Well, if you are passing through Zurich at all please let me know. There might be time to wave at each other! Regards Shane From lproven at cix.co.uk Mon Dec 11 05:17:49 2006 From: lproven at cix.co.uk (Liam Proven) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:17:49 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457D252F.6050607@pnc.com.au> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> <457D252F.6050607@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <457D5A7D.40509@cix.co.uk> Peter Green wrote: > No need to apologise for being quiet, Shane... not everyone can keep up > with my steady production of GEM postings!* :-) Is has been quiet, hasn't it? But I don't think anyone should feel guilty... Perhaps, finally, the technological wave has slowly passed us by... -- Liam Proven ? Blog, homepage &c: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/Google Talk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Mob: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com ? MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk ? Skype: liamproven ? ICQ: 73187508 From shane at shaneland.co.uk Mon Dec 11 06:22:24 2006 From: shane at shaneland.co.uk (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:22:24 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457D5A7D.40509@cix.co.uk> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> <457D252F.6050607@pnc.com.au> <457D5A7D.40509@cix.co.uk> Message-ID: <457D69A0.6090604@shaneland.co.uk> Liam Proven wrote: > Peter Green wrote: >> No need to apologise for being quiet, Shane... not everyone can keep up >> with my steady production of GEM postings!* :-) > > Is has been quiet, hasn't it? But I don't think anyone should feel guilty... > > Perhaps, finally, the technological wave has slowly passed us by... I think to a large extent it has, though I am always surprised at the amount of people using GEM for reasons of nostalgia or as a hobby; DOS still has attractions. Jim Hall, chap behind FreeDOS, recently asked me to confirm I still plan to work on the OpenGEM distro, as he wants to look at increasing its visibility in FreeDOS distros. Regards Shane From owen at owenrudge.net Mon Dec 11 07:58:54 2006 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:58:54 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) References: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <00da01c71d3d$46857370$6501a8c0@rudgexp> > Perhaps you and I are the only ones left. I'm still here, as always. Busier and busier with uni these days - just sent off some applications for internships next summer, too. I'm hoping some good may come of those! Regards, -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From urnenfel at tiscali.es Mon Dec 11 08:37:34 2006 From: urnenfel at tiscali.es (Oliver Ruiz Dorantes) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:37:34 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: References: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> <00da01c71d3d$46857370$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: Well.... i joined some weeks ago the maillist, to keep track of the project after i rebuild my first 386.... If you are interested in who is following you guys ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20061211/e3a93a6b/attachment.html From ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk Mon Dec 11 09:28:01 2006 From: ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk (Ben A L Jemmett) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:28:01 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <03f801c71d49$b61cd730$020da8c0@JSD.jemmettsoftware.co.uk> > I was thinking... how far back does the GEM group go? I think > I've been involved since 1998 or 1999, but could be wrong. It's > been a while... Early 1999 is about right, I think; the gem-dev list at egroups was started on May 5th, 1999 according to my membership details there. Speaking of which, I notice that it hasn't been receiving messages from the modern incarnation of the list since September 2003, and nobody can get to it anyway thanks to a rather rash settings change by yours truly. Blast. Anyway, the earliest release I can find of my Desktop hacking was May 22nd, although I had apparently made at least one release a few days before that. Unfortunately the very early discussions took place on an OpenDOS list, I suspect opendos at rim.caldera.com (if I'm remembering that address correctly after so many years!); I doubt much survives of that. Nice to see some activity on the list, at any rate. The downside of these irregular roll calls is that they usually prompt me to disappear off and tinker with one of my abandoned GEM projects for a while; last time I even started a new one that turned out to be a non-starter! Regards, Ben A L Jemmett. (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/) From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 17:50:03 2006 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:50:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <390456.12305.qm@web33611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Peter: I have to admit I sort of 'wasted' August thru September - in terms of going through things here. The weather and outside world were just SO much MORE inviting than staying inside and sorting things! So, as you'd guess my sisters had plans to move things around in the house during October - which they did! I had just 'gotten into' (like a rythum(sp)) going thru my papers and such; and had to set that all aside while furniture was re-arranged. Now, that THAT has occurred, I WISH it had been done earlier, BEFORE the Summer because it opened up access to boxes that were buried behind others and furniture. Since Nov. began I've gotten a good five cubic yards (~cubic metres) of such paper and the like OUT. (Have to look out for various personal references 'buried' within those piles. THEY go into the box destined for the shredder!) There IS a LOT (volume) of software and books still to go thru. Still have the DR: DOS, GEM; Qd: QEMM and DesqView; and associated books Sw. Plus The OS/2-OS/3 Sw and books, and, oh, Netware that I still have trouble believing I got hold of and NEVER ran! (Some of that REQUIRES the Y2K (3.x-->3.2 and 4.x-->4.2) updates (which I've never seen) to be useful NOW. Things have gotten kinda quiet here this last week - which is VERY good - since Christmas is near and I'd LIKE to get in the mood BEFORE it arrives! (The week before one of my sisters hired a house inspector and he had a look and gave us a written report. My other sister used her special vacuum to TRY and clean some of Mom's old stains up - partial success.) 'nough for now, Thomas Clayton Actually typing AT home (instead of the local library) for a change. (After all, I pay FOR dial-up. I might as well USE it!) --- Peter Green wrote: --------------------------------- G'day, Thomas! Perhaps you and I are the only ones left. How are things going with all the house sorting and such? I guess youand the family are not looking forward to your happiest Christmasseason. To any GEM people still around, I hope your Christmas/ holiday planningis going well. I was thinking... how far back does the GEM group go? I think I've beeninvolved since 1998 or 1999, but could be wrong. It's been a while... Cheers, Peter Thomas Clayton wrote: Testing to see IF my address IS OK.I haven't gotten the monthly notice for Dec.! ____________________________________________________________________________________Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now._______________________________________________gem-dev mailing listgem-dev at simpits.orghttp://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 18:05:40 2006 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:05:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Oliver: Well, I'll try to correspond *a little* with you about any difficulties you have. I don't know if the used 80386 board I've bought will EVER see a case and power supply connected to it ... but I'm not (yet) dropping my plans to get it into a tower case before I move out of here - IF I do move. (Too long a sentence, I know!) I've never had a 386 - just an IBM PS/2 Mdl25-286 - running DOS and GEM and GEOS but that's the plan. Sincerely, Thomas Clayton --- Oliver Ruiz Dorantes wrote: > Well.... i joined some weeks ago the maillist, to keep track of the > project > after i rebuild my first 386.... > > If you are interested in who is following you guys ;) > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Fri Dec 15 06:07:00 2006 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter Green) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:07:00 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4582AC04.6070507@pnc.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20061217/1edea511/attachment.html From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Fri Dec 15 05:59:06 2006 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter Green) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:59:06 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <390456.12305.qm@web33611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <390456.12305.qm@web33611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4582AA2A.6010003@pnc.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/gem-dev/attachments/20061217/25ea713c/attachment.html From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 17 17:21:40 2006 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:21:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] SDPSC9 updated Message-ID: I've updated the VGA driver source (SDPSC9) that's on my site. Note that the actual driver is (almost) unchanged. What's different is the way it's built. I've split the source code up into modules using the same organization as the original DRI driver source, and (where appropriate) used DRI's source (via Chris Barnes' VGA driver) rather than my disassembled version. Having done that, I was able without too much work to copy the source for the 640x350 EGA driver into my tree as well. So there's now a version of the EGA driver (SDEHF9) that supports codepages and the high-resolution timer. Weird trivia: * If LINK86 is rejecting your INP files for no apparent reason, stick 128 dummy bytes on the end. It only reads up to a multiple of 128 bytes, so up to 127 bytes at the end will be ignored. * The SDPSC9 I disassembled was using version 21 of the mouse driver, but the SDEHF9 was only on version 20. * The driver source tree we've got is several versions earlier than GEM 3.1 (for example, the mouse driver is version 16). But it also contains some things that appear to be bugfixes but aren't present in the GEM 3.1 drivers. They're mostly commented "jn" plus various dates in Autumn 1987. -- John Elliott From veganalex at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 15:50:19 2006 From: veganalex at gmail.com (-|- awave) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:50:19 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <00da01c71d3d$46857370$6501a8c0@rudgexp> References: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> <00da01c71d3d$46857370$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: I'm not much of a programmer but been in this list for a year now i think...not sure...I'm really interested in how gem works and stuff and what a gui was like however many years ago that it was actually being shipped. Recently I've been rather busy getting together various things recently with school-work and such. I stood for the local MYP seat (UK Youth Parliament) (of which I have not got the result yet...should be monday/tuesday or 3/4th January), and I'm on the NAGTY (google ;) ) student council (if you find my pic...it's bad...) and alongside that I've been co-opted into the local Youth council: HCYC (Hampshire County Youth Council) as the other representative for basingstoke & deane which is a bit awkward as the other guy was doing a good job on his own :S and I didn't really ask to be put in for it either so....yeh...all's going quite well at the moment, although I've not really had much free time recently. Well...over the xmas period once I've got various work out the way, I'm hopefully gonna get the two old boxes out of the loft: p2 366 and 8086 8mhz - they've both been used by me in the past...just they've become somewhat not used for a while now :P the P2 will probably find itself as an emulator machine sitting underneath my tele if i can get a vga -> rgb lead, and the 8086'll find itself as a stand-alone gem machine =] anyway...hope everyone here has a merry christmas and a happy new year! just stay off the fags and booze! you'll save loads of money (more directed at Owen ;)....i've sworn that i'll never touch fags...and not touch any alcohol til I've graduated from uni...which is hmmm 2012/2013 i think :S) -|- awave On 11/12/06, Owen Rudge wrote: > > Perhaps you and I are the only ones left. > > I'm still here, as always. Busier and busier with uni these days - just sent > off some applications for internships next summer, too. I'm hoping some good > may come of those! > > Regards, > > -- > Owen Rudge > http://www.owenrudge.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > From owen at owenrudge.net Sun Dec 17 18:51:55 2006 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:51:55 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) References: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com><457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> <00da01c71d3d$46857370$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: <014601c7224f$7e59e5d0$6501a8c0@rudgexp> > anyway...hope everyone here has a merry christmas and a happy new > year! just stay off the fags and booze! you'll save loads of money > (more directed at Owen ;)....i've sworn that i'll never touch > fags...and not touch any alcohol til I've graduated from uni...which > is hmmm 2012/2013 i think :S) Smoking, no thank you. Not something I've done, not something I ever intend to do. As for the alcohol, well, I partake in a tipple or two now and then, but nothing -too- excessive, not this year at least... ;-) -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From blairdude at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 21:57:28 2006 From: blairdude at gmail.com (Blair Campbell) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:57:28 -0800 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7705c9030612142157w23354a01x2a178768c235a02a@mail.gmail.com> I have a 386 that runs great. I don't think I've tried GEM on it yet though. On 12/14/06, Thomas Clayton wrote: > Dear Oliver: > > Well, I'll try to correspond *a little* with you about any difficulties > you have. I don't know if the used 80386 board I've bought will EVER > see a case and power supply connected to it ... but I'm not (yet) > dropping my plans to get it into a tower case before I move out of here > - IF I do move. (Too long a sentence, I know!) I've never had a 386 - > just an IBM PS/2 Mdl25-286 - running DOS and GEM and GEOS but that's > the plan. > > > Sincerely, > > Thomas Clayton > > > --- Oliver Ruiz Dorantes wrote: > > > Well.... i joined some weeks ago the maillist, to keep track of the > > project > > after i rebuild my first 386.... > > > > If you are interested in who is following you guys ;) > > > _______________________________________________ > > gem-dev mailing list > > gem-dev at simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya From lproven at cix.co.uk Mon Dec 18 14:57:56 2006 From: lproven at cix.co.uk (Liam Proven) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:57:56 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <45871CF4.3060300@cix.co.uk> Shane M. Coughlan wrote: > Peter Green wrote: >> It's good to see that some of us still exist. Of course, there'll >> probably be quite a few GEM people in the land of nod just now, too. > > I'm still around. Sorry to have been quiet lately. I started a new job > with the Free Software Foundation Europe. That has meant moving to > Switzerland and setting up a project here called the Freedom Task Force > (FYI I did not come up with the name). We're at http://fsfeurope.org/ftf. Sounds like my dream job, in something pretty close to my dream location! How did you manage to land that? -- Liam Proven ? Blog, homepage &c: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/Google Talk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Mob: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com ? MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk ? Skype: liamproven ? ICQ: 73187508 From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 18 15:34:42 2006 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:34:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] SDPSC9 updated In-Reply-To: from "John Elliott" at Dec 18, 2006 01:21:40 Message-ID: Following up on my own driver update: I've moved driver source to its own area on my site: . The source archive you can download from there now builds six drivers: VGA, EGA, CGA, Hercules, AT&T, and Wyse 700. I haven't tested the Wyse or Hercules drivers, so if anyone's got suitable hardware it might be an idea to give them a go. All six drivers should support codepages and the high-resolution timer. -- John Elliott From pcgem at mbernstein.de Mon Dec 18 12:46:06 2006 From: pcgem at mbernstein.de (Michael Bernstein) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:46:06 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <4582AC04.6070507@pnc.com.au>; from pspete1@pnc.com.au on Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 01:07:00AM +1100 References: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4582AC04.6070507@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <20061218214606.A25399@gateix.bernstein.loc> Hi Peter, please can you send your mails as text instead of plain html? It was always very annoying to see a empty mail and select a attachement to view. And with replay to your mails i could not get your mailtext as prepared quotes to my text. Best regards Michael From topcatdrc at yahoo.com Mon Dec 18 19:53:42 2006 From: topcatdrc at yahoo.com (Thomas Clayton) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:53:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] SDPSC9 updated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <73390.17694.qm@web33601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are these the GEM 1.x updatED 'from scratch' (the others you had posted were 'patched') OR are they a later GEM version? Thomas Clayton Still remembering the enjoyment of reading thru your 1.1 ASM patch code a few years back. TC --- John Elliott wrote: > I've updated the VGA driver source (SDPSC9) that's on my site. > > Note that the actual driver is (almost) unchanged. What's different > is the > way it's built. I've split the source code up into modules using the > same > organization as the original DRI driver source, and (where > appropriate) > used DRI's source (via Chris Barnes' VGA driver) rather than my > disassembled > version. > Having done that, I was able without too much work to copy the > source for > the 640x350 EGA driver into my tree as well. So there's now a version > of the > EGA driver (SDEHF9) that supports codepages and the high-resolution > timer. > > Weird trivia: > * If LINK86 is rejecting your INP files for no apparent reason, stick > 128 > dummy bytes on the end. It only reads up to a multiple of 128 bytes, > so > up to 127 bytes at the end will be ignored. > > * The SDPSC9 I disassembled was using version 21 of the mouse driver, > but > the SDEHF9 was only on version 20. > > * The driver source tree we've got is several versions earlier than > GEM 3.1 > (for example, the mouse driver is version 16). But it also contains > some > things that appear to be bugfixes but aren't present in the GEM 3.1 > drivers. They're mostly commented "jn" plus various dates in Autumn > 1987. > > -- > John Elliott > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shane_coughlan at hotmail.com Tue Dec 19 02:18:43 2006 From: shane_coughlan at hotmail.com (Shane M. Coughlan) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:18:43 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <45871CF4.3060300@cix.co.uk> References: <000001c71cbb$3cb86cd0$150f10ac@piii> <9DBE78B5629CA54AB819A50DB6CCC18B97CDC4@aumel-exch1.ap.uis.unisys.com> <457CB0C9.6080702@pnc.com.au> <457D2151.7050607@hotmail.com> <45871CF4.3060300@cix.co.uk> Message-ID: <4587BC83.4060906@hotmail.com> Liam Proven wrote: > Shane M. Coughlan wrote: >> I'm still around. Sorry to have been quiet lately. I started a new job >> with the Free Software Foundation Europe. That has meant moving to >> Switzerland and setting up a project here called the Freedom Task Force >> (FYI I did not come up with the name). We're at http://fsfeurope.org/ftf. > > Sounds like my dream job, in something pretty close to my dream > location! How did you manage to land that? Blackmail, some theft...a little murder... More seriously, I became quite involved in Free Software advocacy over the last year and a half, and I gradually found myself in the loop with regards forthcoming projects. The FTF was one such project and I put myself forward...I was lucky enough to be select and that places me in Zurich. Huzzah! Shane :) From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Tue Dec 19 12:13:31 2006 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter Green) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:13:31 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <20061218214606.A25399@gateix.bernstein.loc> References: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4582AC04.6070507@pnc.com.au> <20061218214606.A25399@gateix.bernstein.loc> Message-ID: <458847EB.2080708@pnc.com.au> G'day, Michael! I don't know what you are referring to with "empty mail" and not being able to get my mailtext, as all the posts including my own seem legible under my settings. However, I hope this one gets through OK. Many years ago everyone was using plain text on the GEM site, but I'd assumed that that was no longer an issue, so had just accepted the Firefox default. Peter Michael Bernstein wrote: > Hi Peter, > > please can you send your mails as text instead of plain html? It was > always very annoying to see a empty mail and select a attachement to > view. And with replay to your mails i could not get your mailtext as > prepared quotes to my text. > > Best regards > Michael > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Tue Dec 19 14:29:33 2006 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:29:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] SDPSC9 updated In-Reply-To: <73390.17694.qm@web33601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "Thomas Clayton" at Dec 18, 2006 07:53:42 Message-ID: > > Are these the GEM 1.x updatED 'from scratch' (the others you had posted > were 'patched') The drivers are based on disassembled GEM 3.1 drivers, plus the (apparently earlier) screen driver source in . I've now updated the driver archive again. It now contains all ten of the GEM/3 drivers, updated with the FreeGEM timer and codepage support. -- John Elliott From veganalex at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 14:44:23 2006 From: veganalex at gmail.com (-|- awave) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:44:23 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <014601c7224f$7e59e5d0$6501a8c0@rudgexp> References: <989222.81528.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <457C8B70.4020905@pnc.com.au> <00da01c71d3d$46857370$6501a8c0@rudgexp> <014601c7224f$7e59e5d0$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: lol - i wasn't saying you were a smoker...just I know that some people do waste a HELL OF ALOT of money on smoking. I never intend to either. Yeh...it's my dad that spent quite alot of money at uni on alcohol and i've easily become addicted to coffee...so beer'll probably be the same so yeh...sorry about the misunderstanding :S -|- awave On 18/12/06, Owen Rudge wrote: > > anyway...hope everyone here has a merry christmas and a happy new > > year! just stay off the fags and booze! you'll save loads of money > > (more directed at Owen ;)....i've sworn that i'll never touch > > fags...and not touch any alcohol til I've graduated from uni...which > > is hmmm 2012/2013 i think :S) > > Smoking, no thank you. Not something I've done, not something I ever intend > to do. As for the alcohol, well, I partake in a tipple or two now and then, > but nothing -too- excessive, not this year at least... ;-) > > -- > Owen Rudge > http://www.owenrudge.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Dec 20 15:22:53 2006 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:22:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] [OT] Update... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you guys are curious to see what I've been up to since the move, check out my project site at http://www.f15ism.com. There's a four page update there. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From owen at owenrudge.net Wed Dec 20 15:17:16 2006 From: owen at owenrudge.net (Owen Rudge) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:17:16 -0000 Subject: [GEM Development] [OT] Update... References: Message-ID: <0fa801c7248d$01209650$6501a8c0@rudgexp> > If you guys are curious to see what I've been up to since the move, check > out my project site at http://www.f15ism.com. There's a four page update > there. Was about to reply that the domain didn't exist, when I noticed you mistyped it. ;-) Looks like you've been busy, anyway! Hope the project continues to go well! -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Dec 20 15:40:11 2006 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:40:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GEM Development] [OT] Update... In-Reply-To: <0fa801c7248d$01209650$6501a8c0@rudgexp> Message-ID: > > If you guys are curious to see what I've been up to since the move, check > > out my project site at http://www.f15ism.com. There's a four page update > > there. > > Was about to reply that the domain didn't exist, when I noticed you mistyped > it. ;-) Looks like you've been busy, anyway! Hope the project continues to > go well! > Oh for... Thanks Owen. It's http://www.f15sim.com. Jeeze. Getting old isn't fun. Well unless you're under 35 anyway. :) The ShopBot is nearly finished and I can't wait to start cutting parts with it. I'll also be able to use it to create PC boards. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 20 15:51:30 2006 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:51:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] Drivers updated again Message-ID: This is getting to be a habit. My drivers page at has been updated again. New this time: * Reconstructed source for the three ViewMAX/1 drivers. * Reconstructed source for the ten GEM/3.1 drivers is now a separate download, rather than being part of the FreeGEM driver pack. * The FreeGEM driver pack now has 11 drivers. The new one is a conversion of the ViewMAX/1 "universal" EGA/VGA driver back to GEM. It's called SDUNI9.VGA and supports EGA mono, EGA colour, VGA colour and (I think) VGA greyscale. * The mouse support code has been updated to match ViewMAX/1. This mainly means that if your mouse type is set to 0 (none), pressing Control+RightShift toggles whether the mouse pointer is visible. -- John Elliott From pcgem at mbernstein.de Fri Dec 22 02:08:12 2006 From: pcgem at mbernstein.de (Michael Bernstein) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:08:12 +0100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <458847EB.2080708@pnc.com.au>; from pspete1@pnc.com.au on Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 07:13:31AM +1100 References: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4582AC04.6070507@pnc.com.au> <20061218214606.A25399@gateix.bernstein.loc> <458847EB.2080708@pnc.com.au> Message-ID: <20061222110810.A20107@gateix.bernstein.loc> Hi Peter, thank you for switching to text mails. This is much more easy for me to handle. > I don't know what you are referring to with "empty mail" and not being > able to get my mailtext, This is exactly what i wrote. My mailer display only text parts and has to start a browser to display the html part. If i read your mails, i got a empty page. I had to list all attachements, select the html part and then select view to get the html part displayed. And if i want to reply, the text part is pre-quoted to the new mail by my mailer to allow quote parts of your meail. Because your mails dont have a text part, there is nothing there. > as all the posts including my own seem legible under my settings. Yes, if your mailer views automatily the html part, you dont see it. It is not the case, that there is no text inside your mails. It is only the problem of handling. It is the same as you send any other attachements. I have manually call the appropriate viewer. > Many years ago everyone was using plain text on the GEM site, This is also still now the case. Your mails are the only mails which had no text parts. > but I'd assumed that that was no longer an issue, so had just accepted > the Firefox default. It depends on the mail reader someone uses. I dont use a browser. And send mails as html instead of text is nonsense in my opinion. There is no reason for it because nearly nobody uses the formating possibilities. But it opens the door for phishing, viruses, ..., pictures (hidden or not) located at the web allowed tracking of you because they see if you open the mail. Lok at your spam. Most of them is html, Michael From pspete1 at pnc.com.au Fri Dec 22 17:46:18 2006 From: pspete1 at pnc.com.au (Peter Green) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:46:18 +1100 Subject: [GEM Development] Test (No December monthly notice!) In-Reply-To: <20061222110810.A20107@gateix.bernstein.loc> References: <391496.94036.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4582AC04.6070507@pnc.com.au> <20061218214606.A25399@gateix.bernstein.loc> <458847EB.2080708@pnc.com.au> <20061222110810.A20107@gateix.bernstein.loc> Message-ID: <458C8A6A.7060606@pnc.com.au> Thanks, Michael! I have a better idea now of what was happening at your end. Cheers -- and fr?hliche Weihnachten! In fact, (to all): A merry Christmas on yez all! Peter Michael Bernstein wrote: > Hi Peter, > > thank you for switching to text mails. This is much more easy for me to > handle. > > >> I don't know what you are referring to with "empty mail" and not being >> able to get my mailtext, >> > > This is exactly what i wrote. My mailer display only text parts and has > to start a browser to display the html part. If i read your mails, i got > a empty page. I had to list all attachements, select the html part and > then select view to get the html part displayed. And if i want to reply, > the text part is pre-quoted to the new mail by my mailer to allow quote > parts of your meail. Because your mails dont have a text part, there is > nothing there. > > >> as all the posts including my own seem legible under my settings. >> > > Yes, if your mailer views automatily the html part, you dont see it. It > is not the case, that there is no text inside your mails. It is only the > problem of handling. It is the same as you send any other attachements. > I have manually call the appropriate viewer. > > >> Many years ago everyone was using plain text on the GEM site, >> > > This is also still now the case. Your mails are the only mails which had > no text parts. > > >> but I'd assumed that that was no longer an issue, so had just accepted >> the Firefox default. >> > > It depends on the mail reader someone uses. I dont use a browser. And > send mails as html instead of text is nonsense in my opinion. There is > no reason for it because nearly nobody uses the formating possibilities. > But it opens the door for phishing, viruses, ..., pictures (hidden or > not) located at the web allowed tracking of you because they see if you > open the mail. Lok at your spam. Most of them is html, > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > gem-dev mailing list > gem-dev at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/gem-dev > > From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 31 14:46:48 2006 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:46:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] More driver updates Message-ID: I've now done quite a big update to my FreeGEM drivers page at : - The 256-colour driver has been updated with some bugfixes. It now shouldn't get collywobbles if you move the mouse to the extreme bottom or extreme right of the screen. I've also increased the sizes of some buffers and removed some left-over OUT instructions which may have caused crashes. - There are now twenty-one drivers with all the latest FreeGEM codepage support. I've divided them into five categories: * The 256-colour driver, which is sui generis. * Pack 1, "preferred" drivers - basically FreeGEM versions of the three ViewMAX/2 drivers. SDUNI9 supports EGA and VGA, SDCAT9 supports CGA and the "AT&T" 640x400 mode, and SDHRC9 supports Hercules. * Pack 2, "alternative" drivers - any other drivers for standard hardware. This includes things like a reverse-video CGA driver (inspired by Jaroslaw Binczaowski), a 640x200 EGA driver (in case you've got an EGA with a CGA monitor), and the old favourite SDPSC9. * Pack 3 covers less-common hardware. It's got three drivers - one for the AT&T 6300, one for the Amstrad PC1512, and one for the IBM 3270 PC. The latter two are new drivers; these systems were not previously supported by FreeGEM or GEM/3, only by GEM/2. * Pack 4 contains drivers I can't test because I don't have the hardware to hand. If anyone's got a working system with a Wyse, Genius, AT&T Display Enhancement Board or Quadram Prosync, then feel free to test them. - I've also been on a little journey back in time (which is where I got the PC1512 and 3270 PC drivers). At the bottom of the page is reconstructed 8086 source for the drivers supplied with GEM/3.1, GEM/2.2, GEM/2.1 and GEM/2.0. Many times on this journey, my thoughts have often been along the lines of "What *were* they thinking?" For example, the GEM/2.1 drivers only have half the font - but the complete font is there in both 2.0 and 2.2. The GEM 2.2 8x16 font has much bigger button glyphs (see which aren't present in any earlier or later version. And another thing: GEM 2.1 added some functions so you could calibrate your Summagraphics tablet. These functions are also present in GEM 2.2, but in GEM 3.0 and later they disappear. Most of the code's still present in the driver, but you can't call it. -- John Elliott From ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk Sun Dec 31 15:24:36 2006 From: ben.jemmett at ukonline.co.uk (Ben A L Jemmett) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:24:36 +0000 Subject: [GEM Development] More driver updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1167607476.459846b48aa2d@webmail.ukonline.net> Quoting John Elliott : > I've now done quite a big update to my FreeGEM drivers page at > : I take it this is a last-minute entry in the gem-dev "understatement of the year" contest? :) I shall have to take an in-depth look at your reconstructed source at some point (i.e. when I'm not sitting at the girlfriend's kitchen table waiting for the chimes); it'll be interesting to see if they'd provide a decent basis for a project I've been contemplating (and discussing on-and-off with Rob Mitchelmore.) Knowing your previous work I suspect it'll be easier to follow than the DRI source I've looked at before! -- Regards, Ben A L Jemmett. (http://www.jemmett-software.co.uk/, http://www.deltasoft.com/) ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From jce at seasip.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 31 15:49:58 2006 From: jce at seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:49:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GEM Development] More driver updates In-Reply-To: from "Ben A L Jemmett" at Dec 31, 2006 11:24:36 Message-ID: > I take it this is a last-minute entry in the gem-dev "understatement of the > year" contest? :) Well, at least now I've got the copyright date in a separate include file so I won't have to edit each and every driver in about, ooh, ten minutes or so. > I shall have to take an in-depth look at your reconstructed source at some > point (i.e. when I'm not sitting at the girlfriend's kitchen table waiting > for the chimes); it'll be interesting to see if they'd provide a decent > basis for a project I've been contemplating (and discussing on-and-off > with Rob Mitchelmore.) Knowing your previous work I suspect it'll be > easier to follow than the DRI source I've looked at before! I did the driver source like this (all ASM, rather than ASM and C) so it would be possible to *build* it - LC doesn't seem very inclined to work on my machine. I think I had it working in VMWare when I was building the GEM/XM AES, but when I tried it this time LINK-86 refused to accept the files that LC was outputting. I understand GEM driver internals a lot better than I did, but that's just from taking so many of them to pieces and putting them back together. And I don't know how long the knowledge will stay with me. -- John Elliott