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Matt
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]]>dabigboy2011-07-14T05:26:39-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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ordered another two today !
The Arduino is (I think) the smart way to go, but if you're in a hurry - the
phidgets are a godsend.
Sorry, I've got nothing spare here right now - suspect others will have
stuff though.
> Hey there, I was just wondering if anyone happens to have any Phidgets
> boards they're not using and would like to sell (reasonably) cheap? I've got
> some ideas I want to try out, but I'm having trouble justifying several
> hundred dollars for boards to "experiment" with.........I know a number of
> folks have jumped the Phidgets ship for Arduino, I'm a little torn between
> the two at this point.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt
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]]>Roy Coates2011-07-14T16:31:19-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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Yep, I can get a servo controller in the mail, write the needed code from scratch (including an X-Plane plugin) in Python, and have a functional instrument in the same afternoon. The Arduino's main advantages seem to be the price and the versatility. It appears that even if I buy a ready-made board (which would probably be the route I go, unless I can find a good Arduino kit supplier that supplies the PCB and all parts), I can get the board, a couple of their "shields", connect and program a character LCD screen, AND have the capability to drive up to 48 (!!!) servos (ok, a little less if I'm using 6 data pins for the LCD, but still.....) for less than the cost of a single 8-servo Phidget board. But, I don't have a lot of time to devote to learning entirely new material right now. And honestly, I love just tinkering with Phidgets in Python....it's like all the fun of programming and physical interface design, without all the headache.
Plus, once my "serious" simulator project gets started, I think most of my sim efforts will be devoted to structure and instrument construction, and acquiring/converting real parts......I am fortunate enough to have an aircraft salvage outfit right here in town, and they just happen to specialize in the type of plane I want to model: Learjets!!!! Soon as my wife and I buy a house, we are going over there for some cockpit-hunting. :)
Matt
---- Roy Coates <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
> Heh. funnily enough I've bought about 6 Phidgets in the last month and
> ordered another two today !
>
> The Arduino is (I think) the smart way to go, but if you're in a hurry - the
> phidgets are a godsend.
>
> Sorry, I've got nothing spare here right now - suspect others will have
> stuff though.
>
>
> On 14 July 2011 06:26, <dabigboy@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Hey there, I was just wondering if anyone happens to have any Phidgets
> > boards they're not using and would like to sell (reasonably) cheap? I've got
> > some ideas I want to try out, but I'm having trouble justifying several
> > hundred dollars for boards to "experiment" with.........I know a number of
> > folks have jumped the Phidgets ship for Arduino, I'm a little torn between
> > the two at this point.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Matt
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]]>dabigboy2011-07-14T18:31:32-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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dabigboy@cox.net> wrote:
> Wow, now I don't feel like such a Phidgets junky. :) What are you doing
> these days that requires so much Phidget-ing? Haven't seen an update from
> you for a while
>
Currently working primarily on a PA38 sim using the cockpit from one that
did a "bang and go" instead of a "touch and go" :)
The instruments are mostly (old) simkits driven by phidget servo boards with
the positions read back via a pair of Bodnar boards. Some instruments are
being made in-house (we've got rapid prototyping gear here) using stereo
lithography. Some of the original stuff like fuel gauges are being driven
directly by phidget analogue boards. It's all coming together rather nicely
and I'll post pic's soon enough.
> But, I don't have a lot of time to devote to learning entirely new material
> right now. And honestly, I love just tinkering with Phidgets in
> Python....it's like all the fun of programming and physical interface
> design, without all the headache.
>
Same here - time is always at a serious premium :(
>
> Plus, once my "serious" simulator project gets started, I think most of my
> sim efforts will be devoted to structure and instrument construction, and
> acquiring/converting real parts......I am fortunate enough to have an
> aircraft salvage outfit right here in town, and they just happen to
> specialize in the type of plane I want to model: Learjets!!!! Soon as my
> wife and I buy a house, we are going over there for some cockpit-hunting. :)
>
Oooh.. got the wife involved.... lucky !
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]]>Roy Coates2011-07-15T08:28:59-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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---- Roy Coates <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 14 July 2011 19:31, <dabigboy@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Wow, now I don't feel like such a Phidgets junky. :) What are you doing
> > these days that requires so much Phidget-ing? Haven't seen an update from
> > you for a while
> >
>
> Currently working primarily on a PA38 sim using the cockpit from one that
> did a "bang and go" instead of a "touch and go" :)
Ahh yes, a Traumahawk. From your instrument description, I'm guessing you are using "hacked" servos and potentiometers to measure the position of needles that need more than the meager 180* or so that servos usually provide? I'm facing the same situation, but I recently found out about winch servos that do 2, 4, or even 8 full turns before stopping. The main problem is acquiring them, the only small ones I found are Chinese specials (ostensibly GWS) on ebay for around $30. If/when I can get some, this will probably be my route. Of course for non-limited instruments like the HSI and (sorta) the altimeter, I'll need to use geared steppers, or just stick with my current glass-cockpit setup for these instruments. My only "real" instruments at the moment are the airspeed indicator and the turn coordinator, the latter being from a real plane.
Matt
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]]>dabigboy2011-07-15T17:50:06-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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dabigboy@cox.net wrote:
>
> ---- Roy Coates <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
>> On 14 July 2011 19:31, <dabigboy@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, now I don't feel like such a Phidgets junky. :) What are you doing
>>> these days that requires so much Phidget-ing? Haven't seen an update from
>>> you for a while
>>>
>>
>> Currently working primarily on a PA38 sim using the cockpit from one that
>> did a "bang and go" instead of a "touch and go" :)
>
> Ahh yes, a Traumahawk. From your instrument description, I'm guessing
> you are using "hacked" servos and potentiometers to measure the position
> of needles that need more than the meager 180* or so that servos usually
> provide? I'm facing the same situation, but I recently found out about
> winch servos that do 2, 4, or even 8 full turns before stopping. The
> main problem is acquiring them, the only small ones I found are Chinese
> specials (ostensibly GWS) on ebay for around $30. If/when I can get
> some, this will probably be my route. Of course for non-limited
> instruments like the HSI and (sorta) the altimeter, I'll need to use
> geared steppers, or just stick with my current glass-cockpit setup for
> these instruments. My only "real" instruments at the moment are the
> airspeed indicator and the turn coordinator, the latter being from a
> real plane.
You should check out Building Simulated Aircraft Instruments - it covers
the Big Six very well. The Altimeter is pretty easy to build as well.
g.
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]]>Gene Buckle2011-07-15T18:06:25-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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dabigboy@cox.net> wrote:
> Ahh yes, a Traumahawk. From your instrument description, I'm guessing you
> are using "hacked" servos and potentiometers to measure the position of
> needles that need more than the meager 180* or so that servos usually
> provide?
>
Correct! I'm using Phidget servo drivers to make em move, and Bodnar boards
to read the positions.
> I'm facing the same situation, but I recently found out about winch servos
> that do 2, 4, or even 8 full turns before stopping. The main problem is
> acquiring them, the only small ones I found are Chinese specials (ostensibly
> GWS) on ebay for around $30. If/when I can get some, this will probably be
> my route. Of course for non-limited instruments like the HSI and (sorta) the
> altimeter, I'll need to use geared steppers, or just stick with my current
> glass-cockpit setup for these instruments. My only "real" instruments at the
> moment are the airspeed indicator and the turn coordinator, the latter being
> from a real plane.
>
Winch servo's are fairly cheap over here if memory serves but talking to my
local RC shop guru, something he said put me off using them. Damned if I can
remember what it was though :(
With free access to rapid prototyping gear though, it's relatively painless
for us to make custom stuff and the simpler gauges like RPM, Turn/Slip,
Vacuum et al will be made in-house in ABS. I'll post pic's as they
progress.
Just ordered a Butt-Kicker too for some subtle 'feeling' in the cockpit.
This is in addition to a powerful sub-woofer bolted under the seat ;-)
The list so far...
2 Bodnar boards (pitch/roll/yaw/throttle/trim/carb heat/mixture/flaps/read
servo pos/switches)
2 Phidget servo boards (to drive instrument servos)
2 Phidget Analogue-4 boards (to drive real gauges such as fuel qty, oil temp
etc)
1 Phidget Interface Kit (starter engaged light/tpndr ident light/etc)
3 GoFlight panels (most cost-effective solution I could find)
1 Bendix King KT96 (dead, gutted, lights up and Ident button/light works)
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]]>Roy Coates2011-07-16T00:09:46-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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> 3 GoFlight panels (most cost-effective solution I could find)
For Plug-n-Go, you might want to take a peek at the Saitek gear. I saw
some at the local Fry's today and it appears to be really well built
stuff.
g.
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]]>Gene Buckle2011-07-16T00:20:08-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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> I just came across this... might be of interest.
>
> http://tech.yostengineering.com/servoFolder/?gclid=CInK0PzIh KoCFYpB4Qody0INzw
>
That's a neat little gadget!
g.
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]]>Gene Buckle2011-07-16T00:23:32-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
http://www.simpits.org/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=2297&th=446#msg_2297
http://www.medonis.com/asc16.html
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]]>Jim Sturcbecher2011-07-16T07:55:55-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Roy Coates wrote:
>
> > 3 GoFlight panels (most cost-effective solution I could find)
>
> For Plug-n-Go, you might want to take a peek at the Saitek gear. I saw
> some at the local Fry's today and it appears to be really well built
> stuff.
>
Ick... no gene. They're butt-ugly.
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]]>Roy Coates2011-07-16T10:58:32-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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jimsturs@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Looks like the old ASC16 from 10 years ago. Still available:
>
> http://www.medonis.com/asc16.html
>
>
Nice find. There's a ton of stuff out there, finding it is the hard part!
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]]>Roy Coates2011-07-16T10:59:22-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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> On 15 July 2011 18:50, <dabigboy@cox.net <mailto:dabigboy@cox.net>> wrote:
>
> Ahh yes, a Traumahawk. From your instrument description, I'm
> guessing you are using "hacked" servos and potentiometers to
> measure the position of needles that need more than the meager
> 180* or so that servos usually provide?
>
>
> Correct! I'm using Phidget servo drivers to make em move, and Bodnar
> boards to read the positions.
>
> I'm facing the same situation, but I recently found out about
> winch servos that do 2, 4, or even 8 full turns before stopping.
> The main problem is acquiring them, the only small ones I found
> are Chinese specials (ostensibly GWS) on ebay for around $30.
> If/when I can get some, this will probably be my route. Of course
> for non-limited instruments like the HSI and (sorta) the
> altimeter, I'll need to use geared steppers, or just stick with my
> current glass-cockpit setup for these instruments. My only "real"
> instruments at the moment are the airspeed indicator and the turn
> coordinator, the latter being from a real plane.
>
>
> Winch servo's are fairly cheap over here if memory serves but talking
> to my local RC shop guru, something he said put me off using them.
> Damned if I can remember what it was though :(
>
> With free access to rapid prototyping gear though, it's relatively
> painless for us to make custom stuff and the simpler gauges like RPM,
> Turn/Slip, Vacuum et al will be made in-house in ABS. I'll post pic's
> as they progress.
>
> Just ordered a Butt-Kicker too for some subtle 'feeling' in the
> cockpit. This is in addition to a powerful sub-woofer bolted under
> the seat ;-)
>
> The list so far...
>
> 2 Bodnar boards (pitch/roll/yaw/throttle/trim/carb
> heat/mixture/flaps/read servo pos/switches)
> 2 Phidget servo boards (to drive instrument servos)
> 2 Phidget Analogue-4 boards (to drive real gauges such as fuel qty,
> oil temp etc)
> 1 Phidget Interface Kit (starter engaged light/tpndr ident light/etc)
> 3 GoFlight panels (most cost-effective solution I could find)
Why dont you buy your radios from ebay?? most of them use ARINC410 2 of
5 code..
(http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/projects/airinc-410/)
> 1 Bendix King KT96 (dead, gutted, lights up and Ident button/light works)
>
> Roy.
>
>
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]]>phoenixcomm2011-07-16T14:00:37-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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> On 16 July 2011 01:20, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Roy Coates wrote:
>>
>>> 3 GoFlight panels (most cost-effective solution I could find)
>>
>> For Plug-n-Go, you might want to take a peek at the Saitek gear. I saw
>> some at the local Fry's today and it appears to be really well built
>> stuff.
>>
>
> Ick... no gene. They're butt-ugly.
>
There's nothing saying you need to leave them in the stock enclosures. I
c'mon. The FIRST step in building a cockpit is VOID THE WARRANTY. :)
They've got a really nice throttle quadrant that uses Cessna style vernier
controls. Their travel is about 3" or so. It includes throttle, mixture
and pitch as well as a pile of full sized toggle switches. It's
practically begging to be put into a different chassis. :)
g.
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]]>Gene Buckle2011-07-16T14:19:05-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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---- Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, dabigboy@cox.net wrote:
> >
> You should check out Building Simulated Aircraft Instruments - it covers
> the Big Six very well. The Altimeter is pretty easy to build as well.
>
> g.
That book never leaves my sim room. :) Now that I'm getting more interested in real instruments AND have some more experience under my belt, I will probably start digging into some of the more advanced projects that Mike covers.
Matt
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]]>dabigboy2011-07-16T17:26:56-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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phoenixcomm@gmail.com> wrote:
1. Don't see many radio's for sale on Ebay in the UK, when you do - they
fetch silly prices.
2. ARINC interface cards look pretty expensive! I've got two which I'll be
using for the CDU's in the Nimrod and they retail at about £700 each.
Ouch. In fact, OUCH!
Roy.
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]]>Roy Coates2011-07-16T22:51:45-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
http://www.simpits.org/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=2306&th=446#msg_2306
http://www.pololu.com/catalog/category/12 at work,
similar gadget, and really easy to drive. Been pretty reliable over the
past few years too.
SeanG
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> bounces@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jim Sturcbecher
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>
> Looks like the old ASC16 from 10 years ago. Still available:
>
> http://www.medonis.com/asc16.html
>
> Jim.
>
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> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
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> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
>
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Roy Coates wrote:
>
> > I just came across this... might be of interest.
> >
> >
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]]>Sean Galbraith2011-07-16T23:48:55-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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http://ruscool.co.nz/dual_rad.html ?
John does some nice stuff, primarily pointed at MSFS, but uses FTDI so
interfacing is easy enough (even for a muppet like me!)
> 3 GoFlight panels (most cost-effective solution I could find)
For Plug-n-Go, you might want to take a peek at the Saitek gear. I saw
some at the local Fry's today and it appears to be really well built
stuff.
Ick... no gene. They're butt-ugly.
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]]>Sean Galbraith2011-07-16T23:50:49-00:00Re: [simpits-tech] Phidgets for sale?
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>
> On 16 July 2011 15:00, Cris Harrison <phoenixcomm@gmail.com
> <mailto:phoenixcomm@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Why dont you buy your radios from ebay?? most of them use ARINC410
> 2 of 5 code..
> (http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/projects/airinc-410/)
>
>
> Two reasons.
>
> 1. Don't see many radio's for sale on Ebay in the UK, when you do -
> they fetch silly prices.
> 2. ARINC interface cards look pretty expensive! I've got two which
> I'll be using for the CDU's in the Nimrod and they retail at about
> £700 each. Ouch. In fact, OUCH!
>
> Roy.
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most of my radio heads were in $25 + ship $15 range. The only expense is
the dam connectors
my wire wrap prototype cost me less that $40.00 in part & spares from
Avnet.
The one card handles up to 5 heads, (could do lots more with expander)
It has 2 8 bit ports one for input (select) the other for data (goes
both ways, as you have to read switches, power, and write (turn on) dial
lights, etc., volume controls 3 wires each head goes to my amps for
simulated radios, and simulated NAV morse code depending on the slant
range to the radio. plus the NAV radios have to out put signals to drive
your LSI, HSI, and ADI. (see more http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/projects/radiointercom-syst em/g-4390/
please watch my other website for poduction of this part http://flite-tronics.com/products.shtml please note this site is still
under construction.
Regards
Cris