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LumenLabs has great forum dedicated to people that are building their own
projectors.

They have a very long thread that lists "compatible" LCD panels that can
be used for projector builds:

http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4&hl= compatible%20monitors&st=150

The "FFC" is a Flat, Flexible Cable and is typically used to join two or
more circuit boards inside the LCD panel case. The units you should look
for should be listed as "no FFC" issues. The idea is that you want to
avoid having to track down an FFC extension cable.

Older 15" panels are dirt cheap on eBay - cheaper if you find some that
have dead backlights - you'll throw that away anyway. With a surplus
overhead projector, you can easily build a nice projector for your
simulator. I know this has been gone over before, but these panels are
getting _dirt_ cheap on eBay right now and if you've been thinking about a
DIY projector, get started!

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #758 is a reply to message #756 ] Wed, 19 August 2009 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whilst on the LCD theme, I once heard/read that you could actually bore
holes through an LCD screen and it would still work - except for where you
bored the hole of course :^)

Any truth to this ? Would be uber cool if it was.

Roy.


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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #759 is a reply to message #758 ] Wed, 19 August 2009 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>
> Whilst on the LCD theme, I once heard/read that you could actually bore
> holes through an LCD screen and it would still work - except for where you
> bored the hole of course :^)
>
> Any truth to this ? Would be uber cool if it was.
>
> Roy.

Hey Roy,

Maybe you could try melting a hole through one with a soldering pencil since
you have it handy!

r

:)

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #762 is a reply to message #758 ] Wed, 19 August 2009 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

>
>
> Whilst on the LCD theme, I once heard/read that you could actually bore
> holes through an LCD screen and it would still work - except for where you
> bored the hole of course :^)
>
> Any truth to this ? Would be uber cool if it was.
>
I don't think so. You'd have a fluid leak on your hands I think.

I _have_ heard about companies cutting down AMLCD panels to make 1:1 sizes
for avionics. I'm not sure how that is done though.

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #763 is a reply to message #762 ] Wed, 19 August 2009 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > Any truth to this ? Would be uber cool if it was.
> >
> I don't think so. You'd have a fluid leak on your hands I think.
>
> I _have_ heard about companies cutting down AMLCD panels to make 1:1 sizes
> for avionics. I'm not sure how that is done though.


Hmm... bandsaw time ;-)


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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #777 is a reply to message #763 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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actually someone on viperpit tried cutting an lcd, and accept for the edge -
it worked.
i think after getting a better knife event the edge was ok.
though i don't know about holes

Ido

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Roy Coates <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk>wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
> > > Any truth to this ? Would be uber cool if it was.
> > >
> > I don't think so. You'd have a fluid leak on your hands I think.
> >
> > I _have_ heard about companies cutting down AMLCD panels to make 1:1
> sizes
> > for avionics. I'm not sure how that is done though.
>
>
> Hmm... bandsaw time ;-)
>
>
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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #778 is a reply to message #777 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> actually someone on viperpit tried cutting an lcd, and accept for the edge -
> it worked.
> i think after getting a better knife event the edge was ok.

Any details on that? I'd love to hear how it went.

g.

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #779 is a reply to message #778 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 12:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this is the thread :
http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=3540.0
Ido

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:
>
> > actually someone on viperpit tried cutting an lcd, and accept for the
> edge -
> > it worked.
> > i think after getting a better knife event the edge was ok.
>
> Any details on that? I'd love to hear how it went.
>
> g.
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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #780 is a reply to message #779 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> this is the thread :
> http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=3540.0
> Ido

Fascinating reading Ido, thanks!

g.

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #781 is a reply to message #777 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> actually someone on viperpit tried cutting an lcd, and accept for the edge -
> it worked.
> i think after getting a better knife event the edge was ok.
> though i don't know about holes


Would love to know more about this Ido - if you come across the info
again, please do share it !


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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #782 is a reply to message #781 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just finished reading the thread. He has not been successful yet.


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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> actually someone on viperpit tried cutting an lcd, and accept for the edge
-
> it worked.
> i think after getting a better knife event the edge was ok.
> though i don't know about holes


Would love to know more about this Ido - if you come across the info
again, please do share it !


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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #783 is a reply to message #779 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is some really interesting "food for thought" type info in that
thread....



<Looking at the monitor sitting on the floor behind the desk with new
interest>



SeanG



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this is the thread :
http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=3540.0
Ido

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> actually someone on viperpit tried cutting an lcd, and accept for the
edge -
> it worked.
> i think after getting a better knife event the edge was ok.

Any details on that? I'd love to hear how it went.


g.

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #784 is a reply to message #779 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> this is the thread :
> http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=3540.0



Many thanks Ido - a fascinating read !!

My already dangerous mind is busy conjuring up evil ways to cut LCD's ...

Imagine - 1:1 screens ! Cooooo.....

damn - drool.

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #785 is a reply to message #783 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> There is some really interesting "food for thought" type info in that
> thread....
>
> <Looking at the monitor sitting on the floor behind the desk with new
> interest>


LOL! Me too, I've just blagged about half a dozen unwanted 15" monitors
for my nefarious sim projects.

Isn't paraffin a recommended agent for glass cutting?

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #786 is a reply to message #784 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 17:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:
>
>> this is the thread :
>> http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=3540.0
>
>
>
> Many thanks Ido - a fascinating read !!
>
> My already dangerous mind is busy conjuring up evil ways to cut LCD's ...
>
> Imagine - 1:1 screens ! Cooooo.....
>
> damn - drool.
>

Bingo. :)

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #787 is a reply to message #786 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > My already dangerous mind is busy conjuring up evil ways to cut LCD's ...
> > Imagine - 1:1 screens ! Cooooo.....
> >
> > damn - drool.
> >
>
> Bingo. :)


I wonder if a tile cutter would work (diamond rotary blade) or if that
would be too brutal.

I coulda had about twenty 17" Dell LCD's a few weeks back for free too.
Arse.

This has really got me wondering!

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #788 is a reply to message #787 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>> My already dangerous mind is busy conjuring up evil ways to cut LCD's ...
>>> Imagine - 1:1 screens ! Cooooo.....
>>>
>>> damn - drool.
>>>
>>
>> Bingo. :)
>
>
> I wonder if a tile cutter would work (diamond rotary blade) or if that
> would be too brutal.
>
> I coulda had about twenty 17" Dell LCD's a few weeks back for free too.
> Arse.
>

I'm wondering if a mechanical cutting jig like I asked Nigel about would
work...

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #789 is a reply to message #788 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

>
> I'm wondering if a mechanical cutting jig like I asked Nigel about would
> work...


The secret seems to be supporting the panes whilst cutting. Your jig makes
sense - go try it. ;-)



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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #790 is a reply to message #789 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm wondering if a mechanical cutting jig like I asked Nigel about would
>> work...
>
>
> The secret seems to be supporting the panes whilst cutting. Your jig makes
> sense - go try it. ;-)
>
I don't have any sacrificial panels or cutting gear. :)

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #791 is a reply to message #785 ] Thu, 20 August 2009 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> LOL! Me too, I've just blagged about half a dozen unwanted 15"
monitors
> for my nefarious sim projects.
>
> Isn't paraffin a recommended agent for glass cutting?


http://www.fantasyinglass.com/SiteDoc/lubri.html

Kerosene apparently....


SeanG

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Re: [simpits-tech] DIY projector resource... [message #792 is a reply to message #791 ] Fri, 21 August 2009 02:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> > Isn't paraffin a recommended agent for glass cutting?
>
> http://www.fantasyinglass.com/SiteDoc/lubri.html
>
> Kerosene apparently....

I don't think there's much difference really. I can borrow a Jet A1 bowser
if you wanna cut really fast though :-)


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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

>
>
> Whilst on the LCD theme, I once heard/read that you could actually bore
> holes through an LCD screen and it would still work - except for where you
> bored the hole of course :^)
>
> Any truth to this ? Would be uber cool if it was.
>
I don't think so. You'd have a fluid leak on your hands I think.

I _have_ heard about companies cutting down AMLCD panels to make 1:1 sizes
for avionics. I'm not sure how that is done though.

g.

About four years ago my company purchased some "modified" lcd
displays from a company calle Tannis? (I think). This company would
take a standard 4:3 lcd display and cut it into a 1:1 display.
The method used by them has been patented. Only problem that we
found was the price. It came to about $2000 per unit plus the
cost of the original display.

This sounds expensive, but if you compare it to the $25,000 that
Honeywell wants for a single 1:1 display for a B737NG, then it is
not too bad. Btw, the Honeywell price was without the avionics
computer to drive it; that cost another $50,000 if you wanted it.

Jim


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[simpits-tech] Cutting LCD's was DIY projector resource... [message #794 is a reply to message #793 ] Fri, 21 August 2009 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Try a Surface Grinder with a very narrow Diamond wheel. Very accurate
depth of cut and automatic feed rate

DCA

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Re: [simpits-tech] Cutting LCD's was DIY projector resource... [message #797 is a reply to message #794 ] Tue, 25 August 2009 07:47 Go to previous message
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I hope you guys are joking but you really can 'cut' a LCD down..
Its about 50Gs, or more.. Its really cool
Looks like a cnc liner cutter and it's a diamond wheel but then you have to
Reseal the cut edge and put the gas back in it..
Isn't cheep....
Have wet dreams.
http://www.usdc.org/newsroom/current_releases/6_21_06_GD_Rel ease.htm

http://www.symbolicdisplays.com/LCD_glass.html

about $1500.00 each display
get you piggy banks guys......
Cris Harrison
www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim
www.phoenixaerospace.us


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Try a Surface Grinder with a very narrow Diamond wheel. Very accurate
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DCA

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