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| [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2337] |
Sat, 30 July 2011 17:07  |
 Sean Galbraith
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I know the flash BU036X is set up for encoders via the configuration
tool, but I understand the basic BU036 can talk to encoders as well.
Has anyone ever used them in this way, or do I need to buy the 'X'
version? More bits for my "simple" project :-)
This "simple" sim is FS9 based, using stuff that I have kicking around
the workshop. It is a half cockpit deal, captain side only, based
loosely on a corp jet/twin turboprop type using Saitek yoke and throttle
quadrant, OpenRJ for the glass, and the kicker; it all fits into a
cabinet so it can hide away :-) My intention is to draw it all up,
publish the plans and a how to on my simpits blog.. This has all come
about because of a comment on a local FS forum, where someone stated
that building any sort of cockpit was far too expensive and took up too
much room for your "average" simmer to indulge in. I took it as a
challenge and so here we are, off to slay the dragon armed with some
offcut mdf and old PC parts.... Should be a laugh!
SeanG
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2339 is a reply to message #2338 ] |
Sun, 31 July 2011 14:36  |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2011, Roy Coates wrote:
> On 31 July 2011 01:07, Sean Galbraith
> <Sean.Galbraith@pacificsimulators.com>wrote:
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>> I know the flash BU036X is set up for encoders via the configuration
>> tool, but I understand the basic BU036 can talk to encoders as well. Has
>> anyone ever used them in this way, or do I need to buy the ‘X’ version?
>> More bits for my “simple” project J****
>>
>>
>>
> Hmm... I had some success driving a KE73 with an encoder. Provided it's the
> mechanical contacting type of encoder you may well find it works - sort of.
> I can't remember the specifics.
>
> I do have a 36X sitting on my desk (at work) at the moment and I can try
> that with an encoder for you tomorrow if you like?
>
It would be nice to find a source of reasonably priced dual-concentric
encoders...
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2341 is a reply to message #2340 ] |
Sun, 31 July 2011 18:38 |
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, Roy Coates wrote:
> On 31 July 2011 22:36, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>> It would be nice to find a source of reasonably priced dual-concentric
>> encoders...
>>
>
>
> You're not wrong. Don't often see them and when you do, the price requires
> the sale of a kidney or a spare testicle.
>
Yep. The ones that Leo sells are somewhere near $40 USD each.
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2343 is a reply to message #2342 ] |
Sun, 31 July 2011 19:30 |
Sean Galbraith
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No, Leo is very much alive and kicking... he's involved in some pretty
sexy sim stuff, outside of his own controllers; http://www.emuteq.com/
I've used one of the GNS530's in a project and I can say it's pretty
slick.
Oh, and if you have a blown up one he says that he'll replace it....
might be worth an email....
Gene: Don't look at Grayhill encoders then... we use those in our
commercial products, and to date have failed only one... but the price
is beyond the average home cockpit builder!
Roy: The controller I am interested to see if it will talk to encoders
is the plain vanilla BU036, the X says it does, but the config tool for
the basic one has config settings for encoders as well. Even if I have
to go for the X it will be a cheap encoder interface. If you do get a
chance to fire up the X you have and try it with encoders I'd be keen to
hear what you think of it.. might be a good cheap solution for my needs
:)
SeanG
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-
> bounces@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis
> Sent: Monday, 1 August 2011 1:48 p.m.
> To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders
>
> >>> It would be nice to find a source of reasonably priced
dual-concentric
> >>> encoders...
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> You're not wrong. Don't often see them and when you do, the price
> >> requires
> >> the sale of a kidney or a spare testicle.
> >>
> > Yep. The ones that Leo sells are somewhere near $40 USD each.
> >
> > g.
> >
> I thought Leo was out of business, dead, left the continent or
vaporized?
>
> I bought two for 38.00 CDN each a few years ago. One I can't find, and
the
> other I blew up.
>
> Of course, the one I can find is of the blown up variety.
>
> :(
>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2346 is a reply to message #2337 ] |
Sun, 31 July 2011 22:44 |
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---- Sean Galbraith <Sean.Galbraith@pacificsimulators.com> wrote:
> I know the flash BU036X is set up for encoders via the configuration
> tool, but I understand the basic BU036 can talk to encoders as well.
> Has anyone ever used them in this way, or do I need to buy the 'X'
> version? More bits for my "simple" project :-)
Great minds think alike!I I cheaped out and went for the basic version myself (partly because it was my first Bodnar product and I wanted to see if it would suit my needs), and it works great with encoders and the free encoder utility from Leo's page.
If I understand encoders properly, it's only just an alternating series of two different contacts...if you are writing your own input software, you can handle encoder inputs entirely through your software. Ergo, you can hook these things to something like a Phidget I/O kit, and still handle them, by using two of the kit's digital input pins.
> This "simple" sim is FS9 based, using stuff that I have kicking around
> the workshop. It is a half cockpit deal, captain side only, based
> loosely on a corp jet/twin turboprop type using Saitek yoke and throttle
> quadrant, OpenRJ for the glass, and the kicker; it all fits into a
> cabinet so it can hide away :-) My intention is to draw it all up,
> publish the plans and a how to on my simpits blog.. This has all come
> about because of a comment on a local FS forum, where someone stated
> that building any sort of cockpit was far too expensive and took up too
> much room for your "average" simmer to indulge in. I took it as a
> challenge and so here we are, off to slay the dragon armed with some
> offcut mdf and old PC parts.... Should be a laugh!
Pics? Sounds kinda like what I'm doing at the moment, although I have a head-start on the structure part of it......I managed to get my hands on the high-quality, T6-aluminum complete instrument panel desktop shell that an actual avionics maker used to take to trade shows to demo their gear in. It even includes what appears to be a real yoke, with some aircraft-quality switches inside it. But it's really just a way for me to cut my teeth and get some experience under my belt for when I have more room, and run down to a local aircraft salvage yard and pick out a Learjet nose section to make into a sim........ :D We're lucky here, the local yard not only regularly parts out biz jets and turboprops, the owner is not only aware of simmers, but embraces the hobby and has worked with a lot of folks needing real shells or parts for recreational sims. I called him last year, and as soon as I mentioned "homebuilt flight simulator", he was all over it. :)
So far my little desktop sim has been just a little money, even less space, but a MOUNTAIN of TIME! It's taken me a year to get to the current stage, but I can fly it around now and work all my main controls except flaps (will be on the avionics/center panel), plus run the main electrical and ancillary systems and lights from real switches etc.
Matt
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2347 is a reply to message #2341 ] |
Sun, 31 July 2011 22:48 |
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---- Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > You're not wrong. Don't often see them and when you do, the price requires
> > the sale of a kidney or a spare testicle.
> >
> Yep. The ones that Leo sells are somewhere near $40 USD each.
>
> g.
Don't know if this would work for the quantity of encoders you guys are needing, but a good source for encoders might be old junk radios on ebay. I haven't verified this yet, but the Apollo Loran I'm converting into a pseudo-scale GPS has what appears to be a standard rotary encoder on it, dual-concentric of course. I'm sure it cost far more new than I paid for the whole Loran. Look for dead or outdated navcomms etc that have like 2 to 4 encoders on them. Still pricey, but not bad if you can get the whole rig for under $30 shipped. Plus you get LED or LCD panels, pushbuttons, lights, internal components, etc as a bonus.
Look for Lorans, I think we sim builders are just about the only folks who want them now that the system has been shut down. Prices are great. :)
Matt
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2349 is a reply to message #2343 ] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 06:27 |
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:
> No, Leo is very much alive and kicking... he's involved in some pretty
> sexy sim stuff, outside of his own controllers; http://www.emuteq.com/
> I've used one of the GNS530's in a project and I can say it's pretty
> slick.
>
[Roy, I was referring to Leo Bodnar, not Leo Lacava (Beta Innovations)]
> Gene: Don't look at Grayhill encoders then... we use those in our
> commercial products, and to date have failed only one... but the price
> is beyond the average home cockpit builder!
>
Yeah, I've got a few of those I found surplus. They're made like tanks.
:)
> Roy: The controller I am interested to see if it will talk to encoders
> is the plain vanilla BU036, the X says it does, but the config tool for
> the basic one has config settings for encoders as well. Even if I have
> to go for the X it will be a cheap encoder interface. If you do get a
> chance to fire up the X you have and try it with encoders I'd be keen to
> hear what you think of it.. might be a good cheap solution for my needs
> :)
Sean, I thought the only difference between the normal and the "X" version
was the X version came with the screw terminal blocks....
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2350 is a reply to message #2343 ] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 06:34 |
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I have used the basic BU036 for encoders. It worked fine, so long as you
don't turn too fast. I don't believe it can do fast vs slow turns.
John
On 1:59 PM, Sean Galbraith wrote:
> No, Leo is very much alive and kicking... he's involved in some pretty
> sexy sim stuff, outside of his own controllers; http://www.emuteq.com/
> I've used one of the GNS530's in a project and I can say it's pretty
> slick.
>
> Oh, and if you have a blown up one he says that he'll replace it....
> might be worth an email....
>
> Gene: Don't look at Grayhill encoders then... we use those in our
> commercial products, and to date have failed only one... but the price
> is beyond the average home cockpit builder!
>
> Roy: The controller I am interested to see if it will talk to encoders
> is the plain vanilla BU036, the X says it does, but the config tool for
> the basic one has config settings for encoders as well. Even if I have
> to go for the X it will be a cheap encoder interface. If you do get a
> chance to fire up the X you have and try it with encoders I'd be keen to
> hear what you think of it.. might be a good cheap solution for my needs
> :)
>
> SeanG
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-
>> bounces@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis
>> Sent: Monday, 1 August 2011 1:48 p.m.
>> To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
>> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders
>>
>>>>> It would be nice to find a source of reasonably priced
> dual-concentric
>>>>> encoders...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're not wrong. Don't often see them and when you do, the price
>>>> requires
>>>> the sale of a kidney or a spare testicle.
>>>>
>>> Yep. The ones that Leo sells are somewhere near $40 USD each.
>>>
>>> g.
>>>
>> I thought Leo was out of business, dead, left the continent or
> vaporized?
>> I bought two for 38.00 CDN each a few years ago. One I can't find, and
> the
>> other I blew up.
>>
>> Of course, the one I can find is of the blown up variety.
>>
>> :(
>>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2359 is a reply to message #2346 ] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 16:33 |
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> Pics? Sounds kinda like what I'm doing at the moment, although I have
a
> head-start on the structure part of it......I managed to get my hands
on
> the high-quality, T6-aluminum complete instrument panel desktop shell
that
> an actual avionics maker used to take to trade shows to demo their
gear
> in. It even includes what appears to be a real yoke, with some
aircraft-
> quality switches inside it. But it's really just a way for me to cut
my
> teeth and get some experience under my belt for when I have more room,
and
> run down to a local aircraft salvage yard and pick out a Learjet nose
> section to make into a sim........ :D We're lucky here, the local yard
not
> only regularly parts out biz jets and turboprops, the owner is not
only
> aware of simmers, but embraces the hobby and has worked with a lot of
> folks needing real shells or parts for recreational sims. I called him
> last year, and as soon as I mentioned "homebuilt flight simulator", he
was
> all over it. :)
Wow... I need a salvage yard like that :)
I don't have pics yet, mostly sketches and some drawings, mostly
compiled in hotel rooms around the world while I'm travelling.... gotta
do something when I am killing time away from home!
With a bit of luck the main structure will get cut and assembled in the
next few weekends, then it should start to take shape pretty quickly...
*then* there will be pics.. promise :)
>
> So far my little desktop sim has been just a little money, even less
> space, but a MOUNTAIN of TIME! It's taken me a year to get to the
current
> stage, but I can fly it around now and work all my main controls
except
> flaps (will be on the avionics/center panel), plus run the main
electrical
> and ancillary systems and lights from real switches etc.
My turn; Pics? :)
SeanG
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2364 is a reply to message #2359 ] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 23:04 |
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---- Sean Galbraith <Sean.Galbraith@pacificsimulators.com> wrote:
> but I can fly it around now and work all my main controls
> except
> > flaps (will be on the avionics/center panel), plus run the main
> electrical
> > and ancillary systems and lights from real switches etc.
>
> My turn; Pics? :)
Hehe, here ya go:
http://68.12.192.171:8080/pics/sim/
Specifically, the ones starting with "sim" are the latest batch, there are a couple other things in that directory you might find interesting (like an early video of the turn coordinator). Please pardon the messy shop.......currently buying a house, I will soon have more room to better organize. :)
Everything you see on the panel is fully functional, except: the airspeed indicator is limited to 180* until I figure out a winch servo or I just switch to air core motors; the little black knob left of the yoke is for panel lights dimming, and one of the metal toggle switches is for instrument lights on/off...neither of those work yet, because I haven't figured out a good lighting system. The real vernier parking brake knob even works, it's a HELP (yes that's the brand) carb/throttle cable from an automotive store, with the cable mostly removed and just the handle left, installed in a custom bracket that also houses a slide potentiometer. I've tied this to the left proportional brake in X-Plane, and my plugin slaves the right brake to it, so I get even, proportional braking from that knob. This is A Good Thing (tm) since I don't have brakes on my Thrustmaster pedals (I really like the old TM pedals, but they lack brakes).
That meager little 20-something LCD will soon give way to a fancy projected setup I hope, but we will see. Once I get my new place, I will have the room to start testing different visual system ideas. I have an idea for a potentially great one from a passing comment made by another sim builder on X-Plane.org regarding his own setup, we shall see............
I'm having a blast. :) This is literally a dream come true for me, I have been intensely interested in building a sim ever since I found out about home cockpit building 10+ years ago when my dad got a job at FlightSafety and I was inspired to build. :) Now I finally have the equipment, knowledge, and skills to actually do something and make measurable progress. Buying a Lear nose section will be the next big step.
Matt
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2365 is a reply to message #2360 ] |
Tue, 02 August 2011 05:49 |
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, dabigboy@cox.net wrote:
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> ---- Roy Coates <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
>> On 1 August 2011 14:27, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sean, I thought the only difference between the normal and the "X" version
>>> was the X version came with the screw terminal blocks....
>>>
>>
>> AFAIK, that is indeed the case. The screw terminals are actually 'push to
>> release' types and seem pretty nice.
>>
>> Didn't get a chance to hook anything up today, rushed off my feet.
>
> The fancy version has more input pins, which is why I would purchase it.
> I'm doing the diode thing right now but my project board has some weak
> solder joints (if I'd known the local wholesale tool shop had new
> soldering irons for $2.97 a piece I would have replaced my grotty one
> ages ago....). I wonder if you could do the diode thing with the bigger
> board and get MEGA inputs? :)
>
Don't buy a $3 soldering iron. You'll end up getting what you pay for.
Go here: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10553
Unless you get into pipe fitting or SMT work, this'll be the last iron you
need to buy.
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2368 is a reply to message #2367 ] |
Tue, 02 August 2011 12:59 |
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Brian Sikkema wrote:
>> Don't buy a $3 soldering iron. You'll end up getting what you pay for.
>>
>> Go here: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10553
>>
>> Unless you get into pipe fitting or SMT work, this'll be the last iron you
>> need to buy.
>>
>> g.
>>
> Oh man, that looks nice... I've been needing a replacement for my shoddy
> Radio Shack model for years. Not sure I can get the wifey to bite off on
> a $100 iron, though....
>
You can buy it from here: http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html for
$80.72. A friend of mine runs that website (he's using TL/Pick D3 -
Multi-Value ROOOOLS, SQL DROOOOOLS!) *ahem*
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2370 is a reply to message #2369 ] |
Wed, 03 August 2011 06:30 |
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On Wed, 3 Aug 2011, Brian Sikkema wrote:
>
>> You can buy it from here: http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html for
>> $80.72. A friend of mine runs that website (he's using TL/Pick D3 -
>> Multi-Value ROOOOLS, SQL DROOOOOLS!) *ahem*
>>
>> g.
>>
> I know what I'll do! I'll pitch this to her first:
> http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX951-66.html
>
> After that $80 will be a relief!! lol
>
> She does this to me all the time with home improvement projects....
>
There ya go! Brilliant idea. :)
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2371 is a reply to message #2360 ] |
Wed, 03 August 2011 08:14 |
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On 8/1/2011 7:08 PM, dabigboy@cox.net wrote:
> ---- Roy Coates<roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:
>> On 1 August 2011 14:27, Gene Buckle<geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
>>> Sean, I thought the only difference between the normal and the "X" version
>>> was the X version came with the screw terminal blocks....
>>>
>> AFAIK, that is indeed the case. The screw terminals are actually 'push to
>> release' types and seem pretty nice.
>>
>> Didn't get a chance to hook anything up today, rushed off my feet.
> The fancy version has more input pins, which is why I would purchase it. I'm doing the diode thing right now but my project board has some weak solder joints (if I'd known the local wholesale tool shop had new soldering irons for $2.97 a piece I would have replaced my grotty one ages ago....). I wonder if you could do the diode thing with the bigger board and get MEGA inputs? :)
>
> Matt
Yo Matt
Stay away from cheep irons.... buy the most for your buck. that Hakko @
sparkfun is ok but you can do MUCH better for that kind of $$$$.
I use a Metcal its a top line iron. a new system can cost a grand......
BUT look at EBAY
tips are all sizes including smt stuff. an you can buy them under $10.00
+ ship
but what you need is the wand
http://cgi.ebay.com/METCAL-MX-RM3E-ESD-SOLDER-PENCIL-CORD-PA D-USED-/250866835508?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a68 d42034#ht_565wt_1139
< http://cgi.ebay.com/METCAL-MX-RM3E-ESD-SOLDER-PENCIL-CORD-PA D-USED-/250866835508?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a68 d42034#ht_565wt_1139>
power source (rf generator)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Metcal-SP200-Power-Supply-SP-PW1-10-/180 702944511?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a12bc1cff#ht_5 00wt_1251
< http://cgi.ebay.com/Metcal-SP200-Power-Supply-SP-PW1-10-/180 702944511?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a12bc1cff#ht_5 00wt_1251>
This is LONG term investment I have had mine for about 6 years. with
about dozen tips(elements with different heat ranges.
enjoy Cris.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2373 is a reply to message #2372 ] |
Wed, 03 August 2011 09:15 |
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> > You can buy it from here: http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html for
> > $80.72. A friend of mine runs that website (he's using TL/Pick D3 -
> > Multi-Value ROOOOLS, SQL DROOOOOLS!) *ahem*
> >
> > g.
> >
>I know what I'll do! I'll pitch this to her first:
>http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX951-66.html
>
>After that $80 will be a relief!! lol
>
>She does this to me all the time with home improvement projects....
>
>Brian
Brian
I purchased for my wife a Edson Loner Soldering tool back in 1975 and
it was over a $100 with all the assessories, and I still use it today!
Now for you married youngsters here's a good rule of thumb. Whatever you buy yourself, expect to spend at least that much for something for your wife.
So yes buy whichever one you want and then give her the same amount of money in cash and let her buy something fro herself.
-----Original Message-----
From: David C. Allen <david@allen1.net>
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders
At 02:01 PM 8/3/2011 +0300, you wrote:
> > You can buy it from here: http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html for
> > $80.72. A friend of mine runs that website (he's using TL/Pick D3 -
> > Multi-Value ROOOOLS, SQL DROOOOOLS!) *ahem*
> >
> > g.
> >
>I know what I'll do! I'll pitch this to her first:
>http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX951-66.html
>
>After that $80 will be a relief!! lol
>
>She does this to me all the time with home improvement projects....
>
>Brian
Brian
I purchased for my wife a Edson Loner Soldering tool back in 1975 and
it was over a $100 with all the assessories, and I still use it today!
David
www.737FlightSim.com
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2374 is a reply to message #2373 ] |
Wed, 03 August 2011 09:16 |
cyplesma
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> > You can buy it from here: http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html for
> > $80.72. A friend of mine runs that website (he's using TL/Pick D3 -
> > Multi-Value ROOOOLS, SQL DROOOOOLS!) *ahem*
> >
> > g.
> >
>I know what I'll do! I'll pitch this to her first:
>http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX951-66.html
>
>After that $80 will be a relief!! lol
>
>She does this to me all the time with home improvement projects....
>
>Brian
Brian
I purchased for my wife a Edson Loner Soldering tool back in 1975 and
it was over a $100 with all the assessories, and I still use it today!
Now for you married youngsters here's a good rule of thumb. Whatever you buy yourself, expect to spend at least that much for something for your wife.
So yes buy whichever one you want and then give her the same amount of money in cash and let her buy something fro herself.
oh just don't let it be so obvious.
-----Original Message-----
From: cyplesma <cyplesma@aol.com>
To: simpits-tech <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders
> > You can buy it from here: http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html for
> > $80.72. A friend of mine runs that website (he's using TL/Pick D3 -
> > Multi-Value ROOOOLS, SQL DROOOOOLS!) *ahem*
> >
> > g.
> >
>I know what I'll do! I'll pitch this to her first:
>http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX951-66.html
>
>After that $80 will be a relief!! lol
>
>She does this to me all the time with home improvement projects....
>
>Brian
Brian
I purchased for my wife a Edson Loner Soldering tool back in 1975 and
it was over a $100 with all the assessories, and I still use it today!
Now for you married youngsters here's a good rule of thumb. Whatever you buy yourself, expect to spend at least that much for something for your wife.
So yes buy whichever one you want and then give her the same amount of money in cash and let her buy something fro herself.
-----Original Message-----
From: David C. Allen <david@allen1.net>
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders
At 02:01 PM 8/3/2011 +0300, you wrote:
> > You can buy it from here: http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html for
> > $80.72. A friend of mine runs that website (he's using TL/Pick D3 -
> > Multi-Value ROOOOLS, SQL DROOOOOLS!) *ahem*
> >
> > g.
> >
>I know what I'll do! I'll pitch this to her first:
>http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX951-66.html
>
>After that $80 will be a relief!! lol
>
>She does this to me all the time with home improvement projects....
>
>Brian
Brian
I purchased for my wife a Edson Loner Soldering tool back in 1975 and
it was over a $100 with all the assessories, and I still use it today!
David
www.737FlightSim.com
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2376 is a reply to message #2365 ] |
Wed, 03 August 2011 18:13 |
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---- Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> >
> Don't buy a $3 soldering iron. You'll end up getting what you pay for.
>
> Go here: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10553
>
> Unless you get into pipe fitting or SMT work, this'll be the last iron you
> need to buy.
Yep, I know not to expect much from a $3 iron. :) It works OK for splicing wires together, but I tried repairing a motherboard the other night and it took a good 40mins to remove one cap and solder in the new one. :P It's just to get me by for a few more weeks (closing on a house at the moment...). Though frankly, I did not know exactly where to look for a GOOD iron. Thanks for the tip.
Those Metcals Chris talked about sound interesting, but for what I do (wiring up lights & switches, splicing, mounting components to project boards, basic repair of motherboards and monitors) I wonder how much of an advantage they would really have over the Hakko?
Matt
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2377 is a reply to message #2376 ] |
Thu, 04 August 2011 07:49 |
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On 8/3/2011 8:13 PM, dabigboy@cox.net wrote:
> ---- Gene Buckle<geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
>> Don't buy a $3 soldering iron. You'll end up getting what you pay for.
>>
>> Go here: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10553
>>
>> Unless you get into pipe fitting or SMT work, this'll be the last iron you
>> need to buy.
> Yep, I know not to expect much from a $3 iron. :) It works OK for splicing wires together, but I tried repairing a motherboard the other night and it took a good 40mins to remove one cap and solder in the new one. :P It's just to get me by for a few more weeks (closing on a house at the moment...). Though frankly, I did not know exactly where to look for a GOOD iron. Thanks for the tip.
>
> Those Metcals Chris talked about sound interesting, but for what I do (wiring up lights& switches, splicing, mounting components to project boards, basic repair of motherboards and monitors) I wonder how much of an advantage they would really have over the Hakko?
Matt with the Hakko you get what you get I dont think that you can
change tips or heat ranges.
Its like using a large soldering gun on a pcb. With the Metcal you have
the heat range built in the tip.
so you can use a fine point for a pcb, or for smt repair. And another
heat range and tip for splices, etc. You will grow into the Metcal where
the Hakko there is no growth. and If you get into unsoldering stuff
guess what you buy the Unsoldering wand and tips. but then you need to
provide a vacuum ( you can do that with shop air). Enjoy.
Cris
> Matt
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2398 is a reply to message #2397 ] |
Fri, 19 August 2011 05:44 |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:
> My BU0836's arrived today... solder a concentric encoder on to it to try
> out, and hey presto! It works a charm... One concentric encoder now
> drives the radio tuning unit... outer ring selects the item, inner
> adjusts... blooming marvelous!
>
The problem is finding the damn things for under $40 a pop. :(
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2399 is a reply to message #2398 ] |
Fri, 19 August 2011 05:46 |
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Well this thing was in the junk box at work.. if I can find some kind of
details on it I'll share... it looks like a "cheap" dual encoder....
SeanG
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> Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 12:44 a.m.
> To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:
>
> > My BU0836's arrived today... solder a concentric encoder on to it to
try
> > out, and hey presto! It works a charm... One concentric encoder
now
> > drives the radio tuning unit... outer ring selects the item, inner
> > adjusts... blooming marvelous!
> >
> The problem is finding the damn things for under $40 a pop. :(
>
> g.
>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2400 is a reply to message #2398 ] |
Fri, 19 August 2011 06:09 |
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Update,,, appears to be an ALPS EC11G.... which I am having trouble
finding any sources for....
SeanG
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> bounces@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
> Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 12:44 a.m.
> To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:
>
> > My BU0836's arrived today... solder a concentric encoder on to it to
try
> > out, and hey presto! It works a charm... One concentric encoder
now
> > drives the radio tuning unit... outer ring selects the item, inner
> > adjusts... blooming marvelous!
> >
> The problem is finding the damn things for under $40 a pop. :(
>
> g.
>
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>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2401 is a reply to message #2400 ] |
Fri, 19 August 2011 06:30 |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:
> Update,,, appears to be an ALPS EC11G.... which I am having trouble
> finding any sources for....
ALPS declared those end-of-life. :(
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2402 is a reply to message #2400 ] |
Fri, 19 August 2011 06:37 |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:
> Update,,, appears to be an ALPS EC11G.... which I am having trouble
> finding any sources for....
>
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ALPS/EC11EBB24C03/?qs=sG AEpiMZZMsWp46O%252bq11WbJRzXHpSzpXEtpZRbRKg1s%3d
The EC11E series is apparently the replacement line, but the 100 they
ordered won't be shipped to Mouser until the 27th of Oct...
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2403 is a reply to message #2402 ] |
Fri, 19 August 2011 16:24 |
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Bugger. The E is way more expensive than the G was :( We must have
bought these as cheap dual encoders years ago... and they must have been
cheap, they look it. Work ok though. Sadly I am spoilt at work, we use
grayhill $$$ ones, and have only failed 2 in the 6 years we have been
using them.
SeanG
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> bounces@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
> Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 1:38 a.m.
> To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders
>
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:
>
> > Update,,, appears to be an ALPS EC11G.... which I am having trouble
> > finding any sources for....
> >
>
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ALPS/EC11EBB24C03/?qs=sG AEpiMZZMsWp4
6O
> %252bq11WbJRzXHpSzpXEtpZRbRKg1s%3d
>
> The EC11E series is apparently the replacement line, but the 100 they
> ordered won't be shipped to Mouser until the 27th of Oct...
>
> g.
>
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>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Leo's BU036 and encoders [message #2404 is a reply to message #2403 ] |
Fri, 19 August 2011 18:00 |
Gene Buckle
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:
> Bugger. The E is way more expensive than the G was :( We must have
> bought these as cheap dual encoders years ago... and they must have been
> cheap, they look it. Work ok though. Sadly I am spoilt at work, we use
> grayhill $$$ ones, and have only failed 2 in the 6 years we have been
> using them.
>
Well fortunately radio stacks typically only take two dual encoders, so it
won't be that bad, but still..
g.
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