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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1897 is a reply to message #1896 ] |
Sun, 21 November 2010 08:42   |
 Joseph Fagner
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You started to mention somthing about distortion at the end of the first video
but it was cut off. What were you saying? You can see the image distorted at
the bottom.
So explain where the projector is? Is it behind you shooting through that
louvered box? It looks like there is just white cloth over that box.
Jay
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Subject: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE!
Well folks, it IS possible for a few geeks in a garage to build a fully
collimated cross-cockpit display system.
Here's video and some pics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yaDnXYlf8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1wNFgpVJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywEtU7VnzPc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZLTY021VQ
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll/collimated_display.html
I can't wait until we get the 180 degree version built! :D
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1898 is a reply to message #1896 ] |
Sun, 21 November 2010 08:53 |
david
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Gene and Wayne
WOW, beyond words!
David
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At 06:05 AM 11/21/2010 -0800, you wrote:
>Well folks, it IS possible for a few geeks in a garage to build a fully
>collimated cross-cockpit display system.
>
>Here's video and some pics:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yaDnXYlf8k
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1wNFgpVJk
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywEtU7VnzPc
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZLTY021VQ
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>http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll/collimated_display.html
>
>I can't wait until we get the 180 degree version built! :D
>
>g.
>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1899 is a reply to message #1897 ] |
Sun, 21 November 2010 07:43 |
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Joseph Fagner wrote:
> You started to mention somthing about distortion at the end of the first video
> but it was cut off. What were you saying? You can see the image distorted at
> the bottom.
>
> So explain where the projector is? Is it behind you shooting through that
> louvered box? It looks like there is just white cloth over that box.
>
The battery in the video camera died right then. :)
The image distortion is actually expected and is acceptable. With cockpit
structure in place, it would mask that distortion band along the bottom.
The screen is actually covered in kraft paper - it's all we had on hand at
the time. It's badly wrinkled in places. :)
Note that collimated display systems are not really usable or meant for
bubble canopy equipped airplanes. It won't be used with the F-15, but
we're looking at building both a single & dual seat cockpit that would
work within the 8ft diameter of the next version of the display.
The box is not louvered - you're seeing the ribs that make up the toroidal
shape that makes the screen. The ribs are 1/8" thick and spaced 3 degrees
apart. Like the mirror, its only a 60 degree wide test assembly.
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1900 is a reply to message #1898 ] |
Sun, 21 November 2010 07:46 |
Gene Buckle
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, David C. Allen wrote:
> Gene and Wayne
>
> WOW, beyond words!
>
Thanks David. We found there is nothing more undignfied than the sound of
grown men giggling like little girls. :)
Wayne has pics & video that he took with his camera and as soon as it's
available, I'll get it posted.
I'm going to try to do a walk-around in the next day or so with the room
lights up so you can see the position of everything.
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1903 is a reply to message #1902 ] |
Sun, 21 November 2010 10:43 |
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Roy Coates wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Gene Buckle wrote:
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>> Well folks, it IS possible for a few geeks in a garage to build a fully
>> collimated cross-cockpit display system.
>
>
> Your cup runneth over with awesomeness Gene !
>
Hehe. I hope it doesn't stain...Jennifer'll kill me... ;)
>
> That is very very impressive. Look forward to the walkaround.
>
Thanks. I think I'm going to pick up a new Flip camera today - the old one
is showing USB issues...
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1928 is a reply to message #1898 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 10:04 |
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Amazing!
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On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:53 AM, "David C. Allen" <david@allen1.net> wrote:
> Gene and Wayne
>
> WOW, beyond words!
>
> David
> www.737FlightSim.com
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> At 06:05 AM 11/21/2010 -0800, you wrote:
>> Well folks, it IS possible for a few geeks in a garage to build a fully
>> collimated cross-cockpit display system.
>>
>> Here's video and some pics:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yaDnXYlf8k
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1wNFgpVJk
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywEtU7VnzPc
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZLTY021VQ
>>
>> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll/collimated_display.html
>>
>> I can't wait until we get the 180 degree version built! :D
>>
>> g.
>>
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>> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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>> holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1930 is a reply to message #1929 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 10:54 |
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Probably weighs a thousand lbs less than mine LOL
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On Nov 23, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Matt Ford wrote:
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>> Amazing!
>>
>
> Thanks Matt. We're pretty damn proud of it. :D
>
> g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1931 is a reply to message #1929 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 11:01 |
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Gene are guys guys going to do a 180 degree version? BTW sent the links to my friends at RSI visual systems. I think they will be amazed!
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On Nov 23, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Matt Ford wrote:
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>> Amazing!
>>
>
> Thanks Matt. We're pretty damn proud of it. :D
>
> g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1934 is a reply to message #1896 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 13:41 |
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Wow, that's pretty amazing. I love my 37" monitor, but there is nothing like the size and depth perception of a good collimated system. I shall eagerly await the fancy version of which you speak in the video! :)
Matt
---- Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> Well folks, it IS possible for a few geeks in a garage to build a fully
> collimated cross-cockpit display system.
>
> Here's video and some pics:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yaDnXYlf8k
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1wNFgpVJk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywEtU7VnzPc
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZLTY021VQ
>
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll/collimated_display.html
>
> I can't wait until we get the 180 degree version built! :D
>
> g.
>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1937 is a reply to message #1932 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 16:57 |
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About 1800
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On Nov 23, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Matt Forf wrote:
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>> Probably weighs a thousand lbs less than mine LOL
>>
> Does yours weigh 960lbs? :D
>
> g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1938 is a reply to message #1935 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 14:57 |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Rick Davis wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE!
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>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Matt Ford wrote:
>>
>>> Gene are guys guys going to do a 180 degree version? BTW sent the links
>>> to my friends at RSI visual systems. I think they will be amazed!
>>
>> Yes. We're going to start working on that this coming weekend. It'll be
>> an 8 foot diameter mirror. That's the largest we can make given that you
>> can't buy mylar in rolls wider than 56".
>>
>> g.
>>
>
> And are we going to make up a set of plans/shop bot components for this one
> Gene?
>
Probably not. We still need to sit down and figure exactly what
patented methods will end up in the final project. Unlike Copyright,
there's no fair-use provision with patents. At this point all we can
really do is show off the end-result, but not produce plans that would
allow anyone to do it.
> I have these three lovely Proxima X350 DLP Projectors here gathering a lot
> of dust. I doubt there's 20 hours on any of them, and each has a remote and
> a ceiling mount assy. They would be perfect for a set up like that me
> thinks.
What resolution are they? Do you know if they can be mounted vertically
(beam pointed straight up) without burning them out?
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1939 is a reply to message #1938 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 17:49 |
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I thought the patents expired on this stuff a long time ago
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On Nov 23, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Rick Davis wrote:
>
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>> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE!
>>
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>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Matt Ford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gene are guys guys going to do a 180 degree version? BTW sent the links
>>>> to my friends at RSI visual systems. I think they will be amazed!
>>>
>>> Yes. We're going to start working on that this coming weekend. It'll be
>>> an 8 foot diameter mirror. That's the largest we can make given that you
>>> can't buy mylar in rolls wider than 56".
>>>
>>> g.
>>>
>>
>> And are we going to make up a set of plans/shop bot components for this one
>> Gene?
>>
> Probably not. We still need to sit down and figure exactly what
> patented methods will end up in the final project. Unlike Copyright,
> there's no fair-use provision with patents. At this point all we can
> really do is show off the end-result, but not produce plans that would
> allow anyone to do it.
>
>> I have these three lovely Proxima X350 DLP Projectors here gathering a lot
>> of dust. I doubt there's 20 hours on any of them, and each has a remote and
>> a ceiling mount assy. They would be perfect for a set up like that me
>> thinks.
>
> What resolution are they? Do you know if they can be mounted vertically
> (beam pointed straight up) without burning them out?
>
> g.
>
> --
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>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1943 is a reply to message #1940 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 16:04 |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Rick Davis wrote:
>
>> What resolution are they? Do you know if they can be mounted vertically
>> (beam pointed straight up) without burning them out?
>>
>> g.
>>
>> --
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> As a patent holder Gene, I can tell you they aren't worth the paper they are
> written on 99% of the time. At least in this concept. You only need to make
> an improvement to cabbage or over-ride the patent. (if there are any at all.
> I suspect there are patents on the process and not the final result) You
> have already exceeded that. You have developed a new process. Unfortunately,
> by posting it to You Tube etc, it will not be patentable.
>
The problem is that we could easily be bankrupted by attourney fees even
if they didn't win - we can't take the risk. Companies like CAE have much
deeper pockets than we do.
> I think the projectors would be very happy pointed up. Heat rises afterall.
> What I like about them, is that they have a a solid metal housing.
>
> Google:
>
> Proxima X350
>
Holy crap! That price is insane! Wayne found some 1080p HD projectors
for under $800 a pop. We'll likely use those for the new build.
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1947 is a reply to message #1946 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 19:22 |
Rick Davis
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That was the price when they first came out Gene. They are worth 500.00
each now tops. I'd let the works of them go for less, except, I intend to
keep them.
----- Original Message -----
I'd let the From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb@deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE!
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Brian Sikkema wrote:
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>>> Holy crap! That price is insane! Wayne found some 1080p HD projectors
>>> for under $800 a pop. We'll likely use those for the new build.
>>>
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>> Linky linky?
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>> When we get back stateside Tina and I *REALLY* want to set up a home
>> theater room.... :D
>>
> I asked Wayne. As soon as he gets back to me I'll post the link. AFAIR
> he found it on Newegg.
>
> g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] Collimated display...DONE! [message #1948 is a reply to message #1947 ] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 17:02 |
Gene Buckle
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Rick Davis wrote:
> That was the price when they first came out Gene. They are worth 500.00
> each now tops. I'd let the works of them go for less, except, I intend to
> keep them.
>
ahh, ok. I was a-feared you'd been taken. *laughs*
Those projectors should work pretty well. 800x600 is FAR too low. The
screen door problem is very noticable at that resolution.
g.
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