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Wed, 07 April 2010 10:01  |
 Justin Messenger
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At the Jetline website the only computer they have that is shown to run FSX at max settings costs $5.000.00 http://www.jetlinesystems.com/products.html
I dont seem to be very good at building gaming machines, Such as when I was shocked when my new $600.00 8800 Ultra video card did little to improve my frame rate in FS9.
justin
>It would be worth checking for any FSX specific benchmark testing of
>each video card setup. I have done some pretty basic testing of nvidia
>vs ATI, but not very scientific... it would be worth the research time.
>Our results were quite "interesting", with the results we saw not
>matching the published benchmark results. In 3d Mark they came out
>pretty much as published, but in flightsim it was a whole different
>matter.
>
>Just my 2c
>
>SeanG (who would love either of those machines.....)
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1241 is a reply to message #1240 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 10:42  |
William Segal
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let me give you some thoughts :and notes
My system built 8 months ago
I started with a HAF 132 chasis because it has 3 210mm fans and is very cool
(quiet,clean)running $150
A gold 1100 watt power supply $279( here we have ENERGY STAR) which means
very efficient electric system this PSI can run at 1470 MAX all
day(overhead)
A classified mother board the first out $500(this was over the top but I
wanted the best) .It has never missed a beat usually first time out has
issue this has none
6 gigs corsair dominator GT 2000 speed ram $350 then
i7 2.66 with the overclocking pin now stock, 4.0gigs easily possible $255
Dual Evga 285 OC with 2 gigs each total 4 gigs SLI 2.0 bridged both for
$1000
I have had raptors before I don't like them if I wanted to go crazy I would
go to SCSI 15,000 RPM drives with a Promise caching controller W/256 megs of
cache
I went with a Seagate Barracuda III 1.5 gigs from Fry's $120
A friend put it together for $100
It runs a tripleheadtogo to run 3 -24inch LCD monitors at 1680 X1050
converts 3 monitors into 1 big one 5040X1050
This has not had a gulp or a crash it sometimes runs 15 hours a day perfect.
X-Plane is still 32 bit should it go to 64 bit
then I have total of 10 gigs .
I live in Southern California we have high temps and it rarely get below 40F
at night daytime ave is 63F year around but
summers are always 75-85-95-105F still this baby runs like a clock
Total price total price about $3000 these figures include shipping because
California 10% sales tax most item were bought in
NY city or New Jersey except the power supply and MOBO were bought direct
from EVGA .
note: of all the card suppliers EVGA was the best not only a live person
tech support. We needed to know exactly how much
the video cards drew in power full out. Nvidia won't talk,ATI would not talk
AMD the same but a VP at Evga would and told me
exactly in watts what each card drew maximum. This private information which
we got and nobody else would talk about it .
That is how I got a 20amp system to run at 20 amps exactly and never have a
giitch.
I found out the, top end at that time, the 295 extreme with prox 1700MEGS
although no one ever expressed a maximum
requirement for power we found out 1 card needed 550 watts to run flat out
. This new 480 and AMD you need to know
for sure that information before you buy a power supply unless you buy a
2000 watt PSI or run only 1 card .
The biggest issue on computers today is under powered PSI
After all most a year since we started planning for this system I have to
say its been a wonderful experience
one last thought
4 years ago I wanted to build the hottest gamer you could get .Nobody had
ever even heard the words SLI no one built
a Mobo to run more than one. I did
The hottest video cards on the planet were Geforce 7800GTX 512megs each the
only mobo that would run 2 at once was
was a SuperMicro a server board .Server boards can be from 13inch X 13
inches to 2 feet X 2feet
They need a special case
With 2 gigs of ram and Supermicro 750watt server board I ran flight
simulator with every feature to the limit at 60FPS over Manhattan
at control height but it ran hot,Dirty and sounded like a jet engine . I got
fed up with it and gave it to Rick Davis Shelburne Nova Scotia
because its cold up there and I figured it would run better . I had to break
my piggy bank on that one and beg mummy for some more
money.
Regards
William Segal
sorry for bad writting I am not college boy
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Sander van der Moolen <sander@vpilot.net>wrote:
> Is FSX CPU dependant like FS9 (and previous) is? Or is it “leaning” more
> on the GPU?
>
> Justin, I think if you had upgraded the CPU and/or RAM you would have seen
> a much greater improvement in framerate.
>
>
>
> I’m going to upgrade my system at the start of the summer and have picked
> an AMD/ATI combo. I’ve already got a 550W PSU, case and HDD’s.
>
> AMD Phenom II X4 955 B.E.
>
> GeIL GV34GB1333C7DC 4GB DDR3 (2x2)
>
> Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 mainboard
>
> Sapphire Vapor-X HD5770 1GB
>
> Scythe Katana 3 CPU cooler (may change though)
>
> Sony AD-7240S cd/dvd burner because the “old” one is beginning to show
> problems.
>
> Total price around € 500 which is just under maximum W.A.F.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *Van:* simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:
> simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org] *Namens *Justin Messenger
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 7 april 2010 19:01
> *Aan:* Simpits Tech
> *Onderwerp:* [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations?
>
>
>
> At the Jetline website the only computer they have that is shown to run FSX
> at max settings costs $5.000.00
> http://www.jetlinesystems.com/products.html
>
>
>
> I dont seem to be very good at building gaming machines, Such as when I
> was shocked when my new $600.00 8800 Ultra video card did little to improve
> my frame rate in FS9.
>
> justin
>
>
>
> >It would be worth checking for any FSX specific benchmark testing of
> >each video card setup. I have done some pretty basic testing of nvidia
> >vs ATI, but not very scientific... it would be worth the research time.
> >Our results were quite "interesting", with the results we saw not
> >matching the published benchmark results. In 3d Mark they came out
> >pretty much as published, but in flightsim it was a whole different
> >matter.
>
>
> >
> >Just my 2c
>
> >
>
> >SeanG (who would love either of those machines.....)
>
> <http://www.phantomsim.org/>
>
>
>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1242 is a reply to message #1241 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 13:03 |
Ido Dekkers
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there is only one way to really speed up this machine - SSD's
i'm not sure how much you use the disks when you play, but the load times
for both windows and the apps will be so quick you can't imagine
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:42 PM, William Segal <catalina299@gmail.com>wrote:
> let me give you some thoughts :and notes
> My system built 8 months ago
> I started with a HAF 132 chasis because it has 3 210mm fans and is very
> cool (quiet,clean)running $150
>
> A gold 1100 watt power supply $279( here we have ENERGY STAR) which means
> very efficient electric system this PSI can run at 1470 MAX all
> day(overhead)
>
> A classified mother board the first out $500(this was over the top but I
> wanted the best) .It has never missed a beat usually first time out has
> issue this has none
>
> 6 gigs corsair dominator GT 2000 speed ram $350 then
>
> i7 2.66 with the overclocking pin now stock, 4.0gigs easily possible $255
>
> Dual Evga 285 OC with 2 gigs each total 4 gigs SLI 2.0 bridged both for
> $1000
>
> I have had raptors before I don't like them if I wanted to go crazy I would
> go to SCSI 15,000 RPM drives with a Promise caching controller W/256 megs
> of cache
>
> I went with a Seagate Barracuda III 1.5 gigs from Fry's $120
>
> A friend put it together for $100
>
> It runs a tripleheadtogo to run 3 -24inch LCD monitors at 1680 X1050
> converts 3 monitors into 1 big one 5040X1050
>
> This has not had a gulp or a crash it sometimes runs 15 hours a day
> perfect. X-Plane is still 32 bit should it go to 64 bit
> then I have total of 10 gigs .
>
> I live in Southern California we have high temps and it rarely get below
> 40F at night daytime ave is 63F year around but
> summers are always 75-85-95-105F still this baby runs like a clock
>
> Total price total price about $3000 these figures include shipping because
> California 10% sales tax most item were bought in
> NY city or New Jersey except the power supply and MOBO were bought direct
> from EVGA .
>
> note: of all the card suppliers EVGA was the best not only a live person
> tech support. We needed to know exactly how much
> the video cards drew in power full out. Nvidia won't talk,ATI would not
> talk AMD the same but a VP at Evga would and told me
> exactly in watts what each card drew maximum. This private information
> which we got and nobody else would talk about it .
> That is how I got a 20amp system to run at 20 amps exactly and never have a
> giitch.
>
> I found out the, top end at that time, the 295 extreme with prox 1700MEGS
> although no one ever expressed a maximum
> requirement for power we found out 1 card needed 550 watts to run flat out
> . This new 480 and AMD you need to know
> for sure that information before you buy a power supply unless you buy a
> 2000 watt PSI or run only 1 card .
>
> The biggest issue on computers today is under powered PSI
>
> After all most a year since we started planning for this system I have to
> say its been a wonderful experience
>
> one last thought
>
> 4 years ago I wanted to build the hottest gamer you could get .Nobody had
> ever even heard the words SLI no one built
> a Mobo to run more than one. I did
>
> The hottest video cards on the planet were Geforce 7800GTX 512megs each the
> only mobo that would run 2 at once was
>
> was a SuperMicro a server board .Server boards can be from 13inch X 13
> inches to 2 feet X 2feet
>
> They need a special case
>
> With 2 gigs of ram and Supermicro 750watt server board I ran flight
> simulator with every feature to the limit at 60FPS over Manhattan
>
> at control height but it ran hot,Dirty and sounded like a jet engine . I
> got fed up with it and gave it to Rick Davis Shelburne Nova Scotia
>
> because its cold up there and I figured it would run better . I had to
> break my piggy bank on that one and beg mummy for some more
>
> money.
>
>
> Regards
>
> William Segal
>
> sorry for bad writting I am not college boy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Sander van der Moolen <sander@vpilot.net>wrote:
>
>> Is FSX CPU dependant like FS9 (and previous) is? Or is it “leaning” more
>> on the GPU?
>>
>> Justin, I think if you had upgraded the CPU and/or RAM you would have seen
>> a much greater improvement in framerate.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m going to upgrade my system at the start of the summer and have picked
>> an AMD/ATI combo. I’ve already got a 550W PSU, case and HDD’s.
>>
>> AMD Phenom II X4 955 B.E.
>>
>> GeIL GV34GB1333C7DC 4GB DDR3 (2x2)
>>
>> Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 mainboard
>>
>> Sapphire Vapor-X HD5770 1GB
>>
>> Scythe Katana 3 CPU cooler (may change though)
>>
>> Sony AD-7240S cd/dvd burner because the “old” one is beginning to show
>> problems.
>>
>> Total price around € 500 which is just under maximum W.A.F.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *Van:* simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:
>> simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org] *Namens *Justin Messenger
>> *Verzonden:* woensdag 7 april 2010 19:01
>> *Aan:* Simpits Tech
>> *Onderwerp:* [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations?
>>
>>
>>
>> At the Jetline website the only computer they have that is shown to run
>> FSX at max settings costs $5.000.00
>> http://www.jetlinesystems.com/products.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I dont seem to be very good at building gaming machines, Such as when I
>> was shocked when my new $600.00 8800 Ultra video card did little to improve
>> my frame rate in FS9.
>>
>> justin
>>
>>
>>
>> >It would be worth checking for any FSX specific benchmark testing of
>> >each video card setup. I have done some pretty basic testing of nvidia
>> >vs ATI, but not very scientific... it would be worth the research time.
>> >Our results were quite "interesting", with the results we saw not
>> >matching the published benchmark results. In 3d Mark they came out
>> >pretty much as published, but in flightsim it was a whole different
>> >matter.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Just my 2c
>>
>> >
>>
>> >SeanG (who would love either of those machines.....)
>>
>> <http://www.phantomsim.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1245 is a reply to message #1241 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 13:44 |
Rick Davis
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I thought you had dual I7 920's in that rig Bill?
BTW. Without a 64 bit operating system you are only using about half of your RAM at best. You know that eh?
R
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From: William Segal
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Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations?
let me give you some thoughts :and notes
My system built 8 months ago
I started with a HAF 132 chasis because it has 3 210mm fans and is very cool (quiet,clean)running $150
A gold 1100 watt power supply $279( here we have ENERGY STAR) which means very efficient electric system this PSI can run at 1470 MAX all day(overhead)
A classified mother board the first out $500(this was over the top but I wanted the best) .It has never missed a beat usually first time out has issue this has none
6 gigs corsair dominator GT 2000 speed ram $350 then
i7 2.66 with the overclocking pin now stock, 4.0gigs easily possible $255
Dual Evga 285 OC with 2 gigs each total 4 gigs SLI 2.0 bridged both for $1000
I have had raptors before I don't like them if I wanted to go crazy I would
go to SCSI 15,000 RPM drives with a Promise caching controller W/256 megs of cache
I went with a Seagate Barracuda III 1.5 gigs from Fry's $120
A friend put it together for $100
It runs a tripleheadtogo to run 3 -24inch LCD monitors at 1680 X1050 converts 3 monitors into 1 big one 5040X1050
This has not had a gulp or a crash it sometimes runs 15 hours a day perfect. X-Plane is still 32 bit should it go to 64 bit
then I have total of 10 gigs .
I live in Southern California we have high temps and it rarely get below 40F at night daytime ave is 63F year around but
summers are always 75-85-95-105F still this baby runs like a clock
Total price total price about $3000 these figures include shipping because California 10% sales tax most item were bought in
NY city or New Jersey except the power supply and MOBO were bought direct from EVGA .
note: of all the card suppliers EVGA was the best not only a live person tech support. We needed to know exactly how much
the video cards drew in power full out. Nvidia won't talk,ATI would not talk AMD the same but a VP at Evga would and told me
exactly in watts what each card drew maximum. This private information which we got and nobody else would talk about it .
That is how I got a 20amp system to run at 20 amps exactly and never have a giitch.
I found out the, top end at that time, the 295 extreme with prox 1700MEGS although no one ever expressed a maximum
requirement for power we found out 1 card needed 550 watts to run flat out . This new 480 and AMD you need to know
for sure that information before you buy a power supply unless you buy a 2000 watt PSI or run only 1 card .
The biggest issue on computers today is under powered PSI
After all most a year since we started planning for this system I have to say its been a wonderful experience
one last thought
4 years ago I wanted to build the hottest gamer you could get .Nobody had ever even heard the words SLI no one built
a Mobo to run more than one. I did
The hottest video cards on the planet were Geforce 7800GTX 512megs each the only mobo that would run 2 at once was
was a SuperMicro a server board .Server boards can be from 13inch X 13 inches to 2 feet X 2feet
They need a special case
With 2 gigs of ram and Supermicro 750watt server board I ran flight simulator with every feature to the limit at 60FPS over Manhattan
at control height but it ran hot,Dirty and sounded like a jet engine . I got fed up with it and gave it to Rick Davis Shelburne Nova Scotia
because its cold up there and I figured it would run better . I had to break my piggy bank on that one and beg mummy for some more
money.
Regards
William Segal
sorry for bad writting I am not college boy
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Sander van der Moolen <sander@vpilot.net> wrote:
Is FSX CPU dependant like FS9 (and previous) is? Or is it “leaning” more on the GPU?
Justin, I think if you had upgraded the CPU and/or RAM you would have seen a much greater improvement in framerate.
I’m going to upgrade my system at the start of the summer and have picked an AMD/ATI combo. I’ve already got a 550W PSU, case and HDD’s.
AMD Phenom II X4 955 B.E.
GeIL GV34GB1333C7DC 4GB DDR3 (2x2)
Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 mainboard
Sapphire Vapor-X HD5770 1GB
Scythe Katana 3 CPU cooler (may change though)
Sony AD-7240S cd/dvd burner because the “old” one is beginning to show problems.
Total price around € 500 which is just under maximum W.A.F.
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Van: simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org] Namens Justin Messenger
Verzonden: woensdag 7 april 2010 19:01
Aan: Simpits Tech
Onderwerp: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations?
At the Jetline website the only computer they have that is shown to run FSX at max settings costs $5.000.00 http://www.jetlinesystems.com/products.html
I dont seem to be very good at building gaming machines, Such as when I was shocked when my new $600.00 8800 Ultra video card did little to improve my frame rate in FS9.
justin
>It would be worth checking for any FSX specific benchmark testing of
>each video card setup. I have done some pretty basic testing of nvidia
>vs ATI, but not very scientific... it would be worth the research time.
>Our results were quite "interesting", with the results we saw not
>matching the published benchmark results. In 3d Mark they came out
>pretty much as published, but in flightsim it was a whole different
>matter.
>
>Just my 2c
>
>SeanG (who would love either of those machines.....)
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1253 is a reply to message #1250 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 14:51 |
Sean Galbraith
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What Gene said.... :)
I've done some no_so_scientific(tm) testing on ATI vs NVIDIA and the ATI
cards didn't really do as well as the benchmarks would suggest. I ran
the same PC hardware with equivalent top of the line ATI and NVIDIA
cards in FS9, FSX, ESP, XP9, BMW M3 Challenge, GTR2 and Virtual Sailor
and the NVIDIA in my mind, was the clear winner.
My 2c (NZD) worth
Sean
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations?
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ido Dekkers wrote:
> there is no way to run a dual Core I7, the are only single.
> if you want a dual setup you need a Xeon
> and i don't see the point in that. you're better off with better GPU
power
> like a set of 2 ATI 5790
>
/me chants, NVIDIA! NVIDIA! NVIDIA!
:)
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1254 is a reply to message #1253 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 14:54 |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Sean Galbraith wrote:
> What Gene said.... :)
>
> I've done some no_so_scientific(tm) testing on ATI vs NVIDIA and the ATI
> cards didn't really do as well as the benchmarks would suggest. I ran
> the same PC hardware with equivalent top of the line ATI and NVIDIA
> cards in FS9, FSX, ESP, XP9, BMW M3 Challenge, GTR2 and Virtual Sailor
> and the NVIDIA in my mind, was the clear winner.
>
> My 2c (NZD) worth
>
My understand with ATI hardware is that while the hardware is definately
up to the task, the drivers are so bad that they'd take the shine off a
diamond.
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1255 is a reply to message #1250 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 14:09 |
Roy Coates
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Gene Buckle wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ido Dekkers wrote:
>
> > there is no way to run a dual Core I7, the are only single.
> > if you want a dual setup you need a Xeon
> > and i don't see the point in that. you're better off with better GPU power
> > like a set of 2 ATI 5790
> >
>
> /me chants, NVIDIA! NVIDIA! NVIDIA!
>
>From personal experience, I'd suggest you deserve a slap if you buy ATi.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1256 is a reply to message #1251 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 14:10 |
Roy Coates
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Gene Buckle wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Rick Davis wrote:
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> >
> > I've had it loaded as new with both XP Pro and Vista. Starts bleeping
> > and going all freaking nuts after about a half an hour of flying. I
> > eventually put a piece of electrical tape over the Pizo hole before I
> > took a pair of needle nose pliers to it to shut it up.
> >
> Hrm. Before reaching for the pliers, I try the "turn of temp alarm"
> setting in the BIOS first. :)
"Rick, where has the refrigerator gone?"
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1258 is a reply to message #1245 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 20:37 |
William Segal
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yea but I flew over Manhattan at the control altitude with all the bells and
whistles mostly at 60FPS in McNeill's T182RT Cessna very happy with the
results
no matter what anyone says Bridged SLI With dual cards 2 gigs each will
last until the rumored tripleheadtogo runs at 1600X1200 32bit or better
hoping for
Mac;s Cinema 30 inch monitors 2500x1600 WoW!
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Rick Davis <rd@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I thought you had dual I7 920's in that rig Bill?
>
> BTW. Without a 64 bit operating system you are only using about half of
> your RAM at best. You know that eh?
>
> R
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* William Segal <catalina299@gmail.com>
> *To:* Simulator Cockpit Builder's List <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 26, 2010 2:42 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations?
>
> let me give you some thoughts :and notes
> My system built 8 months ago
> I started with a HAF 132 chasis because it has 3 210mm fans and is very
> cool (quiet,clean)running $150
>
> A gold 1100 watt power supply $279( here we have ENERGY STAR) which means
> very efficient electric system this PSI can run at 1470 MAX all
> day(overhead)
>
> A classified mother board the first out $500(this was over the top but I
> wanted the best) .It has never missed a beat usually first time out has
> issue this has none
>
> 6 gigs corsair dominator GT 2000 speed ram $350 then
>
> i7 2.66 with the overclocking pin now stock, 4.0gigs easily possible $255
>
> Dual Evga 285 OC with 2 gigs each total 4 gigs SLI 2.0 bridged both for
> $1000
>
> I have had raptors before I don't like them if I wanted to go crazy I would
> go to SCSI 15,000 RPM drives with a Promise caching controller W/256 megs
> of cache
>
> I went with a Seagate Barracuda III 1.5 gigs from Fry's $120
>
> A friend put it together for $100
>
> It runs a tripleheadtogo to run 3 -24inch LCD monitors at 1680 X1050
> converts 3 monitors into 1 big one 5040X1050
>
> This has not had a gulp or a crash it sometimes runs 15 hours a day
> perfect. X-Plane is still 32 bit should it go to 64 bit
> then I have total of 10 gigs .
>
> I live in Southern California we have high temps and it rarely get below
> 40F at night daytime ave is 63F year around but
> summers are always 75-85-95-105F still this baby runs like a clock
>
> Total price total price about $3000 these figures include shipping because
> California 10% sales tax most item were bought in
> NY city or New Jersey except the power supply and MOBO were bought direct
> from EVGA .
>
> note: of all the card suppliers EVGA was the best not only a live person
> tech support. We needed to know exactly how much
> the video cards drew in power full out. Nvidia won't talk,ATI would not
> talk AMD the same but a VP at Evga would and told me
> exactly in watts what each card drew maximum. This private information
> which we got and nobody else would talk about it .
> That is how I got a 20amp system to run at 20 amps exactly and never have a
> giitch.
>
> I found out the, top end at that time, the 295 extreme with prox 1700MEGS
> although no one ever expressed a maximum
> requirement for power we found out 1 card needed 550 watts to run flat out
> . This new 480 and AMD you need to know
> for sure that information before you buy a power supply unless you buy a
> 2000 watt PSI or run only 1 card .
>
> The biggest issue on computers today is under powered PSI
>
> After all most a year since we started planning for this system I have to
> say its been a wonderful experience
>
> one last thought
>
> 4 years ago I wanted to build the hottest gamer you could get .Nobody had
> ever even heard the words SLI no one built
> a Mobo to run more than one. I did
>
> The hottest video cards on the planet were Geforce 7800GTX 512megs each the
> only mobo that would run 2 at once was
>
> was a SuperMicro a server board .Server boards can be from 13inch X 13
> inches to 2 feet X 2feet
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> They need a special case
>
> With 2 gigs of ram and Supermicro 750watt server board I ran flight
> simulator with every feature to the limit at 60FPS over Manhattan
>
> at control height but it ran hot,Dirty and sounded like a jet engine . I
> got fed up with it and gave it to Rick Davis Shelburne Nova Scotia
>
> because its cold up there and I figured it would run better . I had to
> break my piggy bank on that one and beg mummy for some more
>
> money.
>
>
> Regards
>
> William Segal
>
> sorry for bad writting I am not college boy
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> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Sander van der Moolen <sander@vpilot.net>wrote:
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>> Is FSX CPU dependant like FS9 (and previous) is? Or is it “leaning” more
>> on the GPU?
>>
>> Justin, I think if you had upgraded the CPU and/or RAM you would have seen
>> a much greater improvement in framerate.
>>
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>>
>> I’m going to upgrade my system at the start of the summer and have picked
>> an AMD/ATI combo. I’ve already got a 550W PSU, case and HDD’s.
>>
>> AMD Phenom II X4 955 B.E.
>>
>> GeIL GV34GB1333C7DC 4GB DDR3 (2x2)
>>
>> Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 mainboard
>>
>> Sapphire Vapor-X HD5770 1GB
>>
>> Scythe Katana 3 CPU cooler (may change though)
>>
>> Sony AD-7240S cd/dvd burner because the “old” one is beginning to show
>> problems.
>>
>> Total price around € 500 which is just under maximum W.A.F.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> *Van:* simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:
>> simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org] *Namens *Justin Messenger
>> *Verzonden:* woensdag 7 april 2010 19:01
>> *Aan:* Simpits Tech
>> *Onderwerp:* [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations?
>>
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>>
>> At the Jetline website the only computer they have that is shown to run
>> FSX at max settings costs $5.000.00
>> http://www.jetlinesystems.com/products.html
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>>
>> I dont seem to be very good at building gaming machines, Such as when I
>> was shocked when my new $600.00 8800 Ultra video card did little to improve
>> my frame rate in FS9.
>>
>> justin
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>> >It would be worth checking for any FSX specific benchmark testing of
>> >each video card setup. I have done some pretty basic testing of nvidia
>> >vs ATI, but not very scientific... it would be worth the research time.
>> >Our results were quite "interesting", with the results we saw not
>> >matching the published benchmark results. In 3d Mark they came out
>> >pretty much as published, but in flightsim it was a whole different
>> >matter.
>>
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>> >
>> >Just my 2c
>>
>> >
>>
>> >SeanG (who would love either of those machines.....)
>>
>> <http://www.phantomsim.org/>
>>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1259 is a reply to message #1250 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 20:43 |
William Segal
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me agree kemosabe woow woow kill white man!
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ido Dekkers wrote:
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> > there is no way to run a dual Core I7, the are only single.
> > if you want a dual setup you need a Xeon
> > and i don't see the point in that. you're better off with better GPU
> power
> > like a set of 2 ATI 5790
> >
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> /me chants, NVIDIA! NVIDIA! NVIDIA!
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> :)
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> g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1260 is a reply to message #1254 ] |
Mon, 26 April 2010 22:46 |
Ido Dekkers
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actually first of all the 5xxx are faster then anything you can get,
and at least for falcon - the Nvidia's are crap with their drivers - too
many problems.
anyway - if i need a space heater - i prefer to get a space heater not a GPU
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Sean Galbraith wrote:
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> > What Gene said.... :)
> >
> > I've done some no_so_scientific(tm) testing on ATI vs NVIDIA and the ATI
> > cards didn't really do as well as the benchmarks would suggest. I ran
> > the same PC hardware with equivalent top of the line ATI and NVIDIA
> > cards in FS9, FSX, ESP, XP9, BMW M3 Challenge, GTR2 and Virtual Sailor
> > and the NVIDIA in my mind, was the clear winner.
> >
> > My 2c (NZD) worth
> >
>
> My understand with ATI hardware is that while the hardware is definately
> up to the task, the drivers are so bad that they'd take the shine off a
> diamond.
>
> g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1261 is a reply to message #1260 ] |
Tue, 27 April 2010 07:27 |
William Segal
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I don't know much about FSX but X-plane ATI has never had a good driver
and I've been flying X-plane 12 years . After AMD bought ATI they had
similar
issues. Maybe they sorted them out now but Geforce has produced good drivers
spot on since the the 5200 card that was 5 generations ago.
Considering that I am using card's that could bring up its own issue but it
runs perfect.
I have been considering changing MoBo's to run 3 video cards . I would not
try that
with ATI
Best Bill
PS
Rick Davis how long ago did I send you that Supermico workstation that was
powered
by dual Opteron processors . Dual core 1.8 gigs and it was a screamer
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Ido Dekkers <idekkers@gmail.com> wrote:
> actually first of all the 5xxx are faster then anything you can get,
> and at least for falcon - the Nvidia's are crap with their drivers - too
> many problems.
> anyway - if i need a space heater - i prefer to get a space heater not a
> GPU
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Sean Galbraith wrote:
>>
>> > What Gene said.... :)
>> >
>> > I've done some no_so_scientific(tm) testing on ATI vs NVIDIA and the ATI
>> > cards didn't really do as well as the benchmarks would suggest. I ran
>> > the same PC hardware with equivalent top of the line ATI and NVIDIA
>> > cards in FS9, FSX, ESP, XP9, BMW M3 Challenge, GTR2 and Virtual Sailor
>> > and the NVIDIA in my mind, was the clear winner.
>> >
>> > My 2c (NZD) worth
>> >
>>
>> My understand with ATI hardware is that while the hardware is definately
>> up to the task, the drivers are so bad that they'd take the shine off a
>> diamond.
>>
>> g.
>>
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>> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX computer recomendations? [message #1263 is a reply to message #1262 ] |
Wed, 28 April 2010 09:59 |
William Segal
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Rick
So found anything interesting on ebay
I bought an old Saitek AV8R joystick for $7 + 8$ freight
to use on my mac what really cool about it ,it has twin throttles
for flying my P-38 ,P-61,B-25 and PBY
works great! off on a long trip to Nova Scotia I am charging 5$ for a one
hour flight after I get there !
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Rick Davis <rd@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> PS
>
> Rick Davis how long ago did I send you that Supermico workstation that was
> powered
> by dual Opteron processors . Dual core 1.8 gigs and it was a screamer
>
>
> I was just after you got your new Mac Bill. Must be getting on two years
> ago now.
>
> R
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