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[simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1596] Tue, 24 August 2010 17:00 Go to next message
Contrapezist  is currently offline Contrapezist
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Hello all,
I would say newbie here but Ive been hanging around on this list for years 6-7-8 ish dunno. Just watching the digest now and again dont think Ive posted anything since leaving Wichita over 5 years ago. Anyway to come up to speed I used to work on avionics actually avionics test systems. After the aircraft ind crash for a insturment company with a vertical managment structure and a vertical family tree too I think 15 people worked there 12 of them were managers and all related. Ive been working in electronics all my life and that is the only job I truely hated to no end it pained me to get up in the morning. Lastly part time for a sim components company lots of good ideas but never went anywhere, finally ran away and went back to broadcast engineering. Since school I have always been mesmorized by avionics, theres no such thing as cheap avionics some are just better than others. So thats what landed me in the frey not so much flying but creating some cool overengineered toys. Case in point ever seen the backlighting on a real LCD?
Anyway in my absence Ive fallen a bit behind on whats happening. Seems a few companies have come and gone on the interfacing side. To me the PHCC looks promising but not sure of its status. Im a hardware guy that can hack away at pic code but no good when it comes actual software.
On the topic of SW whats the masses using? MS looks to be defunct, Xplane looks promising maybe later if things get to the pont of laying out the $$ for something more, Ive been poking around with flightgear as of late.
My end result is non specific mythical plane based on ??? that way no one can say I did it wrong.
Thanks for letting me bend your ear Ill go back to hiding again :)
Austin


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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1598 is a reply to message #1596 ] Tue, 24 August 2010 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> On the topic of SW whats the masses using? MS looks to be defunct,
> Xplane looks promising maybe later if things get to the pont of laying
> out the $$ for something more, Ive been poking around with flightgear as

It looks like Microsoft can't resist the temptation and will be
re-entering the flight simulator market with their new mystery "Flight"
product.

> of late. My end result is non specific mythical plane based on ??? that
> way no one can say I did it wrong. Thanks for letting me bend your ear
> Ill go back to hiding again :) Austin

Don't go back to hiding! We've got far too much of that going on around
here. :)

Right now I'm chasing a damn weird oddity with my Gazoutta16 board.
Turning channel 8 on activates channels 1-7 as well. The weird thing is,
my logic probe tells me that only the 8th input on the ULN2803 has gone
high. The only thing I have left to test is the ribbon cable. This is
weird because it happens to both the prototype and one of the production
boards. I've checked it with a multi-meter and there's no errors on the
board. It's enough to drive me even crazier. :)

g.


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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1599 is a reply to message #1598 ] Wed, 25 August 2010 11:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>
>
> Right now I'm chasing a damn weird oddity with my Gazoutta16 board.
> Turning channel 8 on activates channels 1-7 as well. The weird thing is,
> my logic probe tells me that only the 8th input on the ULN2803 has gone
> high. The only thing I have left to test is the ribbon cable. This is
> weird because it happens to both the prototype and one of the production
> boards. I've checked it with a multi-meter and there's no errors on the
> board. It's enough to drive me even crazier. :)


Butting in: Did you accidentally connect the flyback diodes pin to the 8th
output? That would behave that way, sort of. Of course, you'd have had to
leave that pin unconnected in the design, or at least not connected to the
power supply positive.

Just a quick thought...

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1600 is a reply to message #1599 ] Wed, 25 August 2010 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was going to suggest some strangeness with the clamp diodes, my dealings with the ULNXX IC's they can do some strange things with out pull up/down and unloaded.

It is a sad day for me. I made what was possibly the last trip to my favorite junkyard (actually the only dig away and load up junkyard round these parts). They started clearing it out several months ago after the old man died, I went to pillage my favorite junk pile today and it was gone. Did latch on to some things Ive been pondering not quite sure if its what I want/need and some other random bits because they may be gone shortly. Seems like all the old junk men are slowly dying off and the junkyards along with them.
Austin
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Right now I'm chasing a damn weird oddity with my Gazoutta16 board.
Turning channel 8 on activates channels 1-7 as well. The weird thing is,
my logic probe tells me that only the 8th input on the ULN2803 has gone
high. The only thing I have left to test is the ribbon cable. This is
weird because it happens to both the prototype and one of the production
boards. I've checked it with a multi-meter and there's no errors on the
board. It's enough to drive me even crazier. :)


Butting in: Did you accidentally connect the flyback diodes pin to the 8th output? That would behave that way, sort of. Of course, you'd have had to leave that pin unconnected in the design, or at least not connected to the power supply positive.


Just a quick thought...



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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1601 is a reply to message #1600 ] Wed, 25 August 2010 18:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Contrapezist wrote:

> I was going to suggest some strangeness with the clamp diodes, my
> dealings with the ULNXX IC's they can do some strange things with out
> pull up/down and unloaded.
>
While I still haven't checked the cable yet (after flogging my sorry ass
at the gym for an hour every day, I don't have much oomph to do much when
I get home *laughs*) I did check the boards to make sure I wasn't
accidentally shorting the diode common to the 8th output leg. That came
out ok.

The test rig is just 16 green LEDs on a bread board with 220ohm resistors
between the LED and the hot side of 5vdc. The ground feeds into the
uln2803.

> It is a sad day for me. I made what was possibly the last trip to my
> favorite junkyard (actually the only dig away and load up junkyard round
> these parts). They started clearing it out several months ago after the
> old man died, I went to pillage my favorite junk pile today and it was
> gone. Did latch on to some things Ive been pondering not quite sure if
> its what I want/need and some other random bits because they may be gone
> shortly. Seems like all the old junk men are slowly dying off and the
> junkyards along with them. Austin

That's too bad. There's no neat places like that around where I live.
Just stingy scrappers that think their 20 year old computer bits are
dipped in gold.

g.

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1602 is a reply to message #1601 ] Wed, 25 August 2010 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> While I still haven't checked the cable yet (after flogging my sorry ass
> at the gym for an hour every day, I don't have much oomph to do much when
> I get home *laughs*)

OMG! Not you too Gene?

Have you seen my wife? .....

:)

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1603 is a reply to message #1602 ] Wed, 25 August 2010 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Rick Davis wrote:

>> While I still haven't checked the cable yet (after flogging my sorry ass
>> at the gym for an hour every day, I don't have much oomph to do much when
>> I get home *laughs*)
>
> OMG! Not you too Gene?
>
Yep. Never in my adult life have I worn t-shirts marked "L". I do now.
I've gone from a tight 38" waist to 36. The last time I wore a 36 was my
early teens.

I'm down over 70lbs. I've also been taken off one of the two Diabetes
meds I was on. I'm hoping to drop the other next month. :)

> Have you seen my wife? .....
>
Why? Is she missing? :)

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1604 is a reply to message #1603 ] Thu, 26 August 2010 04:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>> OMG! Not you too Gene?
>>
> Yep. Never in my adult life have I worn t-shirts marked "L". I do now.
> I've gone from a tight 38" waist to 36. The last time I wore a 36 was my
> early teens.
>
> I'm down over 70lbs. I've also been taken off one of the two Diabetes
> meds I was on. I'm hoping to drop the other next month. :)

That is excellent Gene. I never weighed more than 190 in my life (now about
180), but suffer from the used to be 30" waist and now 34" waist syndrom.
>
>> Have you seen my wife? .....
>>
> Why? Is she missing? :)

Went to the gym about 6 months ago. ?

>
> g.
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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1605 is a reply to message #1603 ] Thu, 26 August 2010 04:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Gene Buckle wrote:

> I'm down over 70lbs. I've also been taken off one of the two Diabetes
> meds I was on. I'm hoping to drop the other next month. :)

Wow... some serious congrats there Gene. That took some serious work !


And there's me looking at Krispy Kreme sponsorship ... hmm....

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1606 is a reply to message #1605 ] Thu, 26 August 2010 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>> I'm down over 70lbs. I've also been taken off one of the two Diabetes
>> meds I was on. I'm hoping to drop the other next month. :)
>
> Wow... some serious congrats there Gene. That took some serious work !
>
It still is. Level 20 in Hill mode on a treadmill at 3mph
is....interesting. Especially when I jog at 4mph each minute in the cycle
where the grade is at 15%.

>
> And there's me looking at Krispy Kreme sponsorship ... hmm....

Put down the donut and back way from the counter Roy!

:)

g.

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1607 is a reply to message #1606 ] Wed, 25 August 2010 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Adding on to the congrats, Gene!

Going through pilot training I packed on a bunch of weight, managed to
get a bunch of it off (including the 20lbs I lost in one week of
survival training - yeah that was interesting), finally last year
trained for a 15k run and got myself down to 210, which for my 6'5"
frame is pretty good (my best since early college days). Then after
that.... well lets just say I haven't been nearly as good, I'm back up
to 240 now. :( Took my PFT this morning, worst score I've turned in in a
long time. Need to do somethin!

So keep up the good work!!

Brian


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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1608 is a reply to message #1607 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> Adding on to the congrats, Gene!
>
> Going through pilot training I packed on a bunch of weight, managed to
> get a bunch of it off (including the 20lbs I lost in one week of
> survival training - yeah that was interesting), finally last year
> trained for a 15k run and got myself down to 210, which for my 6'5"
> frame is pretty good (my best since early college days). Then after
> that.... well lets just say I haven't been nearly as good, I'm back up
> to 240 now. :( Took my PFT this morning, worst score I've turned in in a
> long time. Need to do somethin!
>
It's all that time in that cushy seat. Get a bang seat under ya, that'll
keep the weight off. :)

> So keep up the good work!!
>
Thanks!

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1609 is a reply to message #1608 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 06:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>
> It's all that time in that cushy seat. Get a bang seat under ya, that'll
> keep the weight off. :)

I'm workin on that.... let you know in a couple months. ;)

Brian

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[simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1610 is a reply to message #1608 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Came across this a month or so back, kept meaning to post it:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/c609/

$99, a USB-connected 7" LCD monitor. The cool part is it runs completely
off from USB, so no additional power source or video cable. Basically it
has a self-contained video card on the board itself. So no mucking about
with an extra video out, or trying to convert signals for some screen you
salvaged from something else. Just plug it in!

There are also some other models with touchscreen capability, albeit for a
bit more ($199-$229):
http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/bfa3/

I thought of these again the other night playing Orbiter. There's an addon
to orbiter that allows you to have an "external" MFD, basically a new
window with just the MFD graphics for it. This would be perfect for that,
because you could just move the mfd over to this small, second monitor,
and your primary would be completely unobstructed.

Food for thought. Now if only they made these w/ a square LCD!

Brian

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1611 is a reply to message #1609 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 07:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, brian@sikkema.us wrote:

>>>
>> It's all that time in that cushy seat. Get a bang seat under ya, that'll
>> keep the weight off. :)
>
> I'm workin on that.... let you know in a couple months. ;)
>

I will keep my fingers crossed in your eventual transition from prey to
predator. :)

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Re: [simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1612 is a reply to message #1610 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, brian@sikkema.us wrote:

> Came across this a month or so back, kept meaning to post it:
>
> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/c609/

I wonder if the drivers have OpenGL or DirectX support...

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1613 is a reply to message #1611 ] Thu, 26 August 2010 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I will keep my fingers crossed in your eventual transition from prey to
> predator. :)
>
> g.
>
Lol!! Well put. Though truth be told, most days my airplane scares me
more than anyone who may be "hunting" me. We're embarasslingly late in
procuring a new tanker, and structural problems seem like an eventual
certainty in a plane this old. Problem is, we're pretty bad at
predicting such failures (cases in point - A-10 wing cracks, C-130 wing
box, and of course the F-15 longitudinal spar problem). And unlike the
A-10 or the F-15, we don't have fancy rocket seats to save us. In fact
since about 2008 we don't even carry parachutes anymore. I'm just not
particularly interested in still being a tanker pilot when the first one
goes down. I won't say I'm 100% convinced it will happen, I'm just
saying the odds are higher than I'm personally comfortable with. Nobody
has flown an airframe as long as we have the KC-135, and we tread new
ground every day. I just hope the learning curve doesn't get too steep.

Ah well, off my soapbox for now. :)

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1614 is a reply to message #1613 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the question is not how old is the platform but how old is the oldest actual
plane still flying ?

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian Sikkema <brian@sikkema.us> wrote:

>
> > I will keep my fingers crossed in your eventual transition from prey to
> > predator. :)
> >
> > g.
> >
> Lol!! Well put. Though truth be told, most days my airplane scares me
> more than anyone who may be "hunting" me. We're embarasslingly late in
> procuring a new tanker, and structural problems seem like an eventual
> certainty in a plane this old. Problem is, we're pretty bad at
> predicting such failures (cases in point - A-10 wing cracks, C-130 wing
> box, and of course the F-15 longitudinal spar problem). And unlike the
> A-10 or the F-15, we don't have fancy rocket seats to save us. In fact
> since about 2008 we don't even carry parachutes anymore. I'm just not
> particularly interested in still being a tanker pilot when the first one
> goes down. I won't say I'm 100% convinced it will happen, I'm just
> saying the odds are higher than I'm personally comfortable with. Nobody
> has flown an airframe as long as we have the KC-135, and we tread new
> ground every day. I just hope the learning curve doesn't get too steep.
>
> Ah well, off my soapbox for now. :)
>
> Brian
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Re: [simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1615 is a reply to message #1612 ] Thu, 26 August 2010 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I wonder if the drivers have OpenGL or DirectX support...
>
> g.
>
http://www.lilliputweb.net/index.php?Controller=User_Product &action=ShowProduct&product_id=83


More info here. Don't see an answer to your question, though. But only
minimal poking around so far.

It does appear they have an 8" model as well...

Brian
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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1616 is a reply to message #1614 ] Thu, 26 August 2010 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 08/27/2010 11:38 PM, Ido Dekkers wrote:
> the question is not how old is the platform but how old is the oldest
> actual plane still flying ?

Oldest tanker I'm aware of is a 1957 model.

The B-52s are around the same vintage as us, and some C-130s aren't much
younger.

An interesting fact I read recently in the tanker debate. Right now the
Air Force has over 400 KC-135s still in inventory. In the civilian
world, there are >>>4<<< 707's still in service - ANYWHERE.

Civilian airlines recapitalize their fleets every 10-15 years, because
it's cheaper in the long run to do it that way. Maintenance costs on old
planes are substantial. DoD procurement, however, isn't up to that task,
unfortunately....

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1617 is a reply to message #1613 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 08:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>
>> I will keep my fingers crossed in your eventual transition from prey to
>> predator. :)
>>
>> g.
>>
> Lol!! Well put. Though truth be told, most days my airplane scares me
> more than anyone who may be "hunting" me. We're embarasslingly late in
> procuring a new tanker, and structural problems seem like an eventual
> certainty in a plane this old. Problem is, we're pretty bad at
> predicting such failures (cases in point - A-10 wing cracks, C-130 wing
> box, and of course the F-15 longitudinal spar problem). And unlike the

I really, really, really hope they don't discover a problem with the '135
like they did with the wing box in the '130. I don't think I'll ever
forget the video of that fire tanker. :(

> A-10 or the F-15, we don't have fancy rocket seats to save us. In fact
> since about 2008 we don't even carry parachutes anymore. I'm just not
I didn't know you guys ever did. You wouldn't think it would be too hard
to put an ACES II or similar in a 707 - there's plenty of room in there.
Then again, they're not comfortable at all and you can't have fancy
cushions in there unless you enjoy being a parapalegic after the seat
cracks your spine after compressing the seat pad.

> particularly interested in still being a tanker pilot when the first one
> goes down. I won't say I'm 100% convinced it will happen, I'm just
> saying the odds are higher than I'm personally comfortable with. Nobody
> has flown an airframe as long as we have the KC-135, and we tread new
> ground every day. I just hope the learning curve doesn't get too steep.
>
You still haven't built the Mercury yet, and you're forbidden from death
until that point so I think you're pretty safe. :D

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Re: [simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1618 is a reply to message #1615 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>
>> I wonder if the drivers have OpenGL or DirectX support...
>>
>> g.
>>
> http://www.lilliputweb.net/index.php?Controller=User_Product &action=ShowProduct&product_id=83
>
>
> More info here. Don't see an answer to your question, though. But only
> minimal poking around so far.
>

They might be a nice choice for those F-16 MFD button collars that TM is
selling. AFAIK, they're under $60 a pair from Amazon.

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Re: [simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1619 is a reply to message #1618 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 08:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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but for some reason the spec of the 8" is missing and i have no idea of
actual size : (

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> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Brian Sikkema wrote:
>
> >
> >> I wonder if the drivers have OpenGL or DirectX support...
> >>
> >> g.
> >>
> >
> http://www.lilliputweb.net/index.php?Controller=User_Product &action=ShowProduct&product_id=83
> >
> >
> > More info here. Don't see an answer to your question, though. But only
> > minimal poking around so far.
> >
>
> They might be a nice choice for those F-16 MFD button collars that TM is
> selling. AFAIK, they're under $60 a pair from Amazon.
>
> g.
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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1620 is a reply to message #1617 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> > A-10 or the F-15, we don't have fancy rocket seats to save us. In fact
> > since about 2008 we don't even carry parachutes anymore. I'm just not
> I didn't know you guys ever did. You wouldn't think it would be too hard
> to put an ACES II or similar in a 707 - there's plenty of room in there.
> Then again, they're not comfortable at all and you can't have fancy
> cushions in there unless you enjoy being a parapalegic after the seat
> cracks your spine after compressing the seat pad.
>
i think it's more complicated then that,
i don't' think ejecting 3? 4? people from the same pit is that easy ?

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1621 is a reply to message #1620 ] Thu, 26 August 2010 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 08/28/2010 12:26 AM, Ido Dekkers wrote:
>
> > A-10 or the F-15, we don't have fancy rocket seats to save us.
> In fact
> > since about 2008 we don't even carry parachutes anymore. I'm
> just not
> I didn't know you guys ever did. You wouldn't think it would be
> too hard
> to put an ACES II or similar in a 707 - there's plenty of room in
> there.
> Then again, they're not comfortable at all and you can't have fancy
> cushions in there unless you enjoy being a parapalegic after the seat
> cracks your spine after compressing the seat pad.
>
> i think it's more complicated then that,
> i don't' think ejecting 3? 4? people from the same pit is that easy ?
*shrugs* They get 8 out of the B-52. Some go up, some go down. Nobody
sideways, though. ;)

Anywho, the real reason is most likely just a cost/benefit analysis. The
tanker was never intended to be in harms way (though it often goes
there, unafraid and unaware ;) so it had no "need" for a system such as
that. Same reason we don't have any sort of countermeasures - though
from what I've seen it looks like the new tanker will have some
SAM/MANPAD protection.

Anyway, honestly ejection seats on something like a tanker don't really
make sense. Heck the reason they pulled the 'chutes is they had only
been used once - and in that case just the boom jumped, the rest of the
crew stayed in and managed to land the plane. Or so I'm told, anyway -
it's a bit of tanker legend. So there wasn't a real need for them, and
they had a lot of associated costs, training, inspections, etc. So that
all makes sense to me. Keeping a geriatric airplane as the backbone of
the tanker fleet, however.... maybe not so much! lol

Brian

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1622 is a reply to message #1620 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Ido Dekkers wrote:

>>> A-10 or the F-15, we don't have fancy rocket seats to save us. In fact
>>> since about 2008 we don't even carry parachutes anymore. I'm just not
>> I didn't know you guys ever did. You wouldn't think it would be too hard
>> to put an ACES II or similar in a 707 - there's plenty of room in there.
>> Then again, they're not comfortable at all and you can't have fancy
>> cushions in there unless you enjoy being a parapalegic after the seat
>> cracks your spine after compressing the seat pad.
>>
> i think it's more complicated then that,
> i don't' think ejecting 3? 4? people from the same pit is that easy ?
>
They did it for the B-52 and the B-2.

The B-52 even featured downward ejection tracks for the Navigator and some
other crew stations.

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1624 is a reply to message #1622 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 15:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Ido Dekkers wrote:

>>> A-10 or the F-15, we don't have fancy rocket seats to save us. In fact
>>> since about 2008 we don't even carry parachutes anymore. I'm just not
>> I didn't know you guys ever did. You wouldn't think it would be too hard
>> to put an ACES II or similar in a 707 - there's plenty of room in there.
>> Then again, they're not comfortable at all and you can't have fancy
>> cushions in there unless you enjoy being a parapalegic after the seat
>> cracks your spine after compressing the seat pad.
>>
> i think it's more complicated then that,
> i don't' think ejecting 3? 4? people from the same pit is that easy ?
>
They did it for the B-52 and the B-2.

The B-52 even featured downward ejection tracks for the Navigator and some
other crew stations.

g.



You would hate to be the guy sitting on the bog when everyone ejected from
the aircraft.

"Guy's......Guy's......... pass me another roll"

Ben


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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1625 is a reply to message #1624 ] Thu, 26 August 2010 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> You would hate to be the guy sitting on the bog when everyone ejected from
> the aircraft.
>
> "Guy's......Guy's......... pass me another roll"
>
> Ben
>
>
I'm assuming bog is Aussie for toilet. Just a guess, I've learned all my
Aussie from Fosters beer commercials, and they haven't covered that one
yet. ;)

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Re: [simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1626 is a reply to message #1612 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Gene

This is perfect for my Seattle Avionics moving map and flight planner now I
can
run both separately right in my cockpit and save 24 inches of monitor space.
Anything that is simple and easy I am interested in.

Regards

Bill



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> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, brian@sikkema.us wrote:
>
> > Came across this a month or so back, kept meaning to post it:
> >
> > http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/c609/
>
> I wonder if the drivers have OpenGL or DirectX support...
>
> g.
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Re: [simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1627 is a reply to message #1626 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, William Segal wrote:

> Thanks Gene
>
> This is perfect for my Seattle Avionics moving map and flight planner now I
> can
> run both separately right in my cockpit and save 24 inches of monitor space.
> Anything that is simple and easy I am interested in.
>

Brian was the one that pointed it out. :)

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Re: [simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1628 is a reply to message #1610 ] Fri, 27 August 2010 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oops! Sorry Brian I just don't see too well B^

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:54 AM, <brian@sikkema.us> wrote:

> Came across this a month or so back, kept meaning to post it:
>
> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/c609/
>
> $99, a USB-connected 7" LCD monitor. The cool part is it runs completely
> off from USB, so no additional power source or video cable. Basically it
> has a self-contained video card on the board itself. So no mucking about
> with an extra video out, or trying to convert signals for some screen you
> salvaged from something else. Just plug it in!
>
> There are also some other models with touchscreen capability, albeit for a
> bit more ($199-$229):
> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/bfa3/
>
> I thought of these again the other night playing Orbiter. There's an addon
> to orbiter that allows you to have an "external" MFD, basically a new
> window with just the MFD graphics for it. This would be perfect for that,
> because you could just move the mfd over to this small, second monitor,
> and your primary would be completely unobstructed.
>
> Food for thought. Now if only they made these w/ a square LCD!
>
> Brian
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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1629 is a reply to message #1625 ] Sat, 28 August 2010 02:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry guy's for being crass i thought bog was a standard aircrew word.

Yep it's a toilet, and Brian don't believe all of the fosters adds they are
a big pee take, heavens we don't even drink that crap in Oz its export
produce only.

Ben

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> You would hate to be the guy sitting on the bog when everyone ejected from
> the aircraft.
>
> "Guy's......Guy's......... pass me another roll"
>
> Ben
>
>
I'm assuming bog is Aussie for toilet. Just a guess, I've learned all my
Aussie from Fosters beer commercials, and they haven't covered that one
yet. ;)

Brian

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1630 is a reply to message #1629 ] Sat, 28 August 2010 02:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AFAIK, "bog" is used in England. Also "crapper" is in England
from the name of the inventor. Ozzies call them "dunnies"?
Any other English language words for other countries?

Jim

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Sorry guy's for being crass i thought bog was a standard aircrew word.

Yep it's a toilet, and Brian don't believe all of the fosters adds they are
a big pee take, heavens we don't even drink that crap in Oz its export
produce only.

Ben

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> You would hate to be the guy sitting on the bog when everyone ejected from
> the aircraft.
>
> "Guy's......Guy's......... pass me another roll"
>
> Ben
>
>
I'm assuming bog is Aussie for toilet. Just a guess, I've learned all my
Aussie from Fosters beer commercials, and they haven't covered that one
yet. ;)

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Re: [simpits-tech] Whats happenin? [message #1634 is a reply to message #1629 ] Sat, 28 August 2010 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Ben Jones wrote:

> Sorry guy's for being crass i thought bog was a standard aircrew word.
>
> Yep it's a toilet, and Brian don't believe all of the fosters adds they are
> a big pee take, heavens we don't even drink that crap in Oz its export
> produce only.
>


Bog is also probably the most common slang word in the UK for a toilet.

I personally prefer "crapper" since it aludes nicely to it's origins.


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Re: [simpits-tech] Fairly cheap little monitor [message #1636 is a reply to message #1628 ] Sun, 29 August 2010 06:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Oops! Sorry Brian I just don't see too well B^

No worries! If you do get it let me know how it works out for you! As
mentioned in my other email I'm looking at this for a Christmas gift idea,
so I'd love to hear if it's worth it.

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> Sorry guy's for being crass i thought bog was a standard aircrew word.
>
> Yep it's a toilet, and Brian don't believe all of the fosters adds they
> are
> a big pee take, heavens we don't even drink that crap in Oz its export
> produce only.

Wait.... an advertising company.... lied to me?

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