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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #970] |
Sun, 27 December 2009 17:26  |
 Sean Galbraith
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....and it is a brilliant piece of software to use! I have done a few curved screen installs using TH2GO, 3 projectors and a nice big curved sceen :-)
My suggestion for achieving a true 180 would be the three video card solution, with SOL7 or something similar to do the edge blending.
I hope to do some testing with Win7 and 3 graphics cards soon....
SeanG
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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, frank@rezultat.dk wrote:
> .... or Sol7 with TH2G > Left, Front, Right view - ??
>
>
Sol7 was designed for smooth edge blending with projectors and a TH2G. It
can also warp the output for use on dome & concave screens.
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #971 is a reply to message #970 ] |
Sun, 27 December 2009 18:11  |
Frank Riedel
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Okay Sean
How to set up thge 3 projectos on a curved 180dg screen
left pointing 90dg left from front and right 90dg right ???
and how big picture are your advice - 2x3 meter on each projector ??
/Frank
> ....and it is a brilliant piece of software to use! I have done a few
> curved screen installs using TH2GO, 3 projectors and a nice big curved
> sceen :-)
>
> My suggestion for achieving a true 180 would be the three video card
> solution, with SOL7 or something similar to do the edge blending.
> I hope to do some testing with Win7 and 3 graphics cards soon....
>
> SeanG
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Buckle <geneb@deltasoft.com>
> Sent: Monday, 28 December 2009 14:21
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> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX
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> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, frank@rezultat.dk wrote:
>
>> .... or Sol7 with TH2G > Left, Front, Right view - ??
>>
>>
> Sol7 was designed for smooth edge blending with projectors and a TH2G. It
> can also warp the output for use on dome & concave screens.
>
> g.
>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #977 is a reply to message #974 ] |
Mon, 28 December 2009 10:23 |
Gene Buckle
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>> I just wish it was priced reasonably. :(
>>
>
> You know, $430 sounds like a lot, but if you've just dropped enough coin
> to get 2-3 projectors, a TH2G and screens to accommodate this whole
> setup... Well $430 wouldn't be that much more. Heck it's about the cost
> of a replacement bulb for a lot of projectors. Tack on the cost of an
> entire sim behind that projection setup and it's even more reasonable.
> These folks have developed what appears to me to be a really powerful,
> flexible software solution to, lets face it, a very niche problem. I
> wouldn't hold out for anything much cheaper.
>
The problem is that all those things can be had piecemeal. I'm scratch
building my own projectors because I can't afford to drop $1k each on
them when I can build them myself for $400.
I guess it just galls me that they charge so much for a one trick pony.
Being the only game in town however, they're charging what the market will
bear.
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #978 is a reply to message #977 ] |
Mon, 28 December 2009 10:34 |
allendc
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At 10:23 AM 12/28/2009 -0800, you wrote:
> >> I just wish it was priced reasonably. :(
> >>
> >
> > You know, $430 sounds like a lot, but if you've just dropped enough coin
> > to get 2-3 projectors, a TH2G and screens to accommodate this whole
> > setup... Well $430 wouldn't be that much more. Heck it's about the cost
> > of a replacement bulb for a lot of projectors. Tack on the cost of an
> > entire sim behind that projection setup and it's even more reasonable.
> > These folks have developed what appears to me to be a really powerful,
> > flexible software solution to, lets face it, a very niche problem. I
> > wouldn't hold out for anything much cheaper.
> >
>The problem is that all those things can be had piecemeal. I'm scratch
>building my own projectors because I can't afford to drop $1k each on
>them when I can build them myself for $400.
>
>I guess it just galls me that they charge so much for a one trick pony.
>Being the only game in town however, they're charging what the market will
>bear.
Gene
What do people think "money wise" when you tell them you have a REAL F15.
You should be thankful you get any deals! ! ! ! !
David
www.737FlightSim.com
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #979 is a reply to message #977 ] |
Mon, 28 December 2009 11:23 |
jamie
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Gene, if my memory serves me correctly, your building projectors from flat
screen kits and OHP's right?
If that is the case - you wont be using shiny digital widescreen monitors,
and will instead be using standard resolution monitors.
In that case do what i did - don't be looking at a new digital TH2G - Get on
e-bay and pick up an analogue one for $200. I got mine for £90 last year and
its brilliant.
If you don't need bells - don't buy them - you taught me that. The only
difference is the offset adjustment and bezel adjustment, which frankly you
can do by hand by physically shifting the viewpiont of the projectors.
Just an idea, i just hate this "ripoff" mentality that a lot of FS hardware
companies like Matrox have.
Jamie.
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From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb@deltasoft.com>
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX
>>> I just wish it was priced reasonably. :(
>>>
>>
>> You know, $430 sounds like a lot, but if you've just dropped enough coin
>> to get 2-3 projectors, a TH2G and screens to accommodate this whole
>> setup... Well $430 wouldn't be that much more. Heck it's about the cost
>> of a replacement bulb for a lot of projectors. Tack on the cost of an
>> entire sim behind that projection setup and it's even more reasonable.
>> These folks have developed what appears to me to be a really powerful,
>> flexible software solution to, lets face it, a very niche problem. I
>> wouldn't hold out for anything much cheaper.
>>
> The problem is that all those things can be had piecemeal. I'm scratch
> building my own projectors because I can't afford to drop $1k each on
> them when I can build them myself for $400.
>
> I guess it just galls me that they charge so much for a one trick pony.
> Being the only game in town however, they're charging what the market will
> bear.
>
> g.
>
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #982 is a reply to message #980 ] |
Mon, 28 December 2009 13:38 |
Rick Davis
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Well said Gene,
Spreading it out also helps on the wife front as she tends to forget what
I've actually put out over the years! I could be fiddling around with a new
toy and say to her ... "This? Oh, I've had that here for years now. Forgot
all about it actually. Don't you remember that box over there in the corner
all these years?
>puzzled look ... leaves basement ... shaking head <
BWHAHAHAHA!
R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb@deltasoft.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX
>> Gene
>> What do people think "money wise" when you tell them you have a REAL F15.
>
> No clue. The jaw drop that happens when I tell 'em I only paid $1500 for
> it is priceless though. :)
>
> As time goes on, the bar is getting lower and lower for people to build
> their own flight simulators. When I started at this in 1995, the only
> game in town was EPIC. Now there's a lot of stuff out there and it gets
> better and cheaper with every passing hardware generation. For example,
> you can build a 32 channel output board that will sink 500mA per channel
> for $20 in parts and a few evenings of assembly time[*] Commercially you
> can buy the same thing for $100-$150.
>
> Yes, over time the small purchases add up - but the financial cost of
> building your dream project is a lot easier to handle spread over a long
> period of time. If you're not starting out with a real cockpit or flight
> deck, the only real hard spike in project cost is going to be the video
> system. Some people will go my route and build their projectors and
> others that can will spend the $2700-$3500+ for COTS projectors. Sol7
> doesn't offer me enough value for the price they're charging. I can just
> as easily construct a folded projection system based around convex acrylic
> first surface mirrors in combination with concave screens. The only real
> feature that Sol7 has that I could use would be the edge blending and
> apparently that's not available in the $470 edition. I'd rather spend the
> money on those first surface mirrors and do the edge alignment by hand.
>
> g.
>
> [*] "Warning & Status Lights" project in Building Recreational Flight
> Simulators
>
>
>
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> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #983 is a reply to message #982 ] |
Mon, 28 December 2009 14:53 |
jamie
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This is exactly what i have ended up doing. And i have had exactly the same
conversation with my wife.
I agree Matrox TH2G is an amazing product - but the massive hike in the
price since Microsoft stopped Vista from monitor spanning has annoyed me
immensely - their product prices have risen by 50% but the products
themselves remain the same.
Anyway - ill leave you to it again.
PS Gene - thank you for that link, a very very useful find indeed - i shall
be handing them some money :)
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From: "Rick Davis" <rd@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX
> Well said Gene,
>
> Spreading it out also helps on the wife front as she tends to forget what
> I've actually put out over the years! I could be fiddling around with a
> new
> toy and say to her ... "This? Oh, I've had that here for years now. Forgot
> all about it actually. Don't you remember that box over there in the
> corner
> all these years?
>
>>puzzled look ... leaves basement ... shaking head <
>
> BWHAHAHAHA!
>
> R
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb@deltasoft.com>
> To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX
>
>
>>> Gene
>>> What do people think "money wise" when you tell them you have a REAL
>>> F15.
>>
>> No clue. The jaw drop that happens when I tell 'em I only paid $1500 for
>> it is priceless though. :)
>>
>> As time goes on, the bar is getting lower and lower for people to build
>> their own flight simulators. When I started at this in 1995, the only
>> game in town was EPIC. Now there's a lot of stuff out there and it gets
>> better and cheaper with every passing hardware generation. For example,
>> you can build a 32 channel output board that will sink 500mA per channel
>> for $20 in parts and a few evenings of assembly time[*] Commercially you
>> can buy the same thing for $100-$150.
>>
>> Yes, over time the small purchases add up - but the financial cost of
>> building your dream project is a lot easier to handle spread over a long
>> period of time. If you're not starting out with a real cockpit or flight
>> deck, the only real hard spike in project cost is going to be the video
>> system. Some people will go my route and build their projectors and
>> others that can will spend the $2700-$3500+ for COTS projectors. Sol7
>> doesn't offer me enough value for the price they're charging. I can just
>> as easily construct a folded projection system based around convex
>> acrylic
>> first surface mirrors in combination with concave screens. The only real
>> feature that Sol7 has that I could use would be the edge blending and
>> apparently that's not available in the $470 edition. I'd rather spend
>> the
>> money on those first surface mirrors and do the edge alignment by hand.
>>
>> g.
>>
>> [*] "Warning & Status Lights" project in Building Recreational Flight
>> Simulators
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
>> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>>
>> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
>> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
>> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #986 is a reply to message #985 ] |
Tue, 29 December 2009 02:16 |
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Sorry i wasnt clear. When Vista was introduced in included a new WDDM 1.0
(Windows Display Driver Model), this now prevents users from using the
Horizontal span that allowed us to mimic what TH2G does through multiple
G/cards. Graphic drivers no longer support the feature because it has been
disabled permanently by the new model architecture.
WDDM 1.0 Literally is a new architecture that was built for the WDM built
into Vistas shiny desktop features (which i have mostly turned off) and is a
death knell for wide screen gaming on a budget.
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From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb@deltasoft.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX
>> I agree Matrox TH2G is an amazing product - but the massive hike in the
>> price since Microsoft stopped Vista from monitor spanning has annoyed me
>> immensely - their product prices have risen by 50% but the products
>> themselves remain the same.
>>
> Eh? It's not up to Microsoft, it's the driver vendor that handles the
> display spanning. What video card are you using?
>
> g.
>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #989 is a reply to message #988 ] |
Tue, 29 December 2009 05:35 |
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I have a whole room dedicated to stuff like that. Right down to - "before i
throw out that PSU, ill need to take out the Diodes."
The only annoying thing is when your in full swing and you have a sudden
need for the gizmo you bought 2 years ago, and realize that in fact you
should have got 2 of them.
Ladies do it too, but in their case its shoes - "But baby, i might get a red
fake leather dress one day!"
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From: "Roy Coates" <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>
>> The funny thing is, that's actually true. :) I've been working with
>> parts
>> that I originally bought years ago in anticipation of future need...
>>
>
> It's a guy thing isn't it. "Oh that's so cool, gotta have one - it's
> bound to come in handy one day..."
>
>
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #992 is a reply to message #988 ] |
Tue, 29 December 2009 08:18 |
Gene Buckle
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Roy Coates wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>
>> The funny thing is, that's actually true. :) I've been working with parts
>> that I originally bought years ago in anticipation of future need...
>>
>
> It's a guy thing isn't it. "Oh that's so cool, gotta have one - it's
> bound to come in handy one day..."
>
Yep!
What's worse, you buy one or two and then forget you have them and buy
more later. It's a never ending cycle. :)
g.
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #996 is a reply to message #995 ] |
Tue, 29 December 2009 11:56 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Coates" <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] FSX
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>> > It's a guy thing isn't it. "Oh that's so cool, gotta have one - it's
>> > bound to come in handy one day..."
>> >
>> Yep!
>>
>> What's worse, you buy one or two and then forget you have them and buy
>> more later.
>
>
> Errr... and that's a problem? ;-)
I just did that recently with a glass cutter. I knew I had a few of them,
but after two hours of searching I said to hell with it and bought a new
one. When I was done, I said, now, I'm going to hang that damned thing right
on a nail over there so I can find it next time. Guess where the other three
I had were? Right on the same nail.
>
>
> --
>
> Roy Coates.
> Dept of Engineering.
> Liverpool University.
> E-Mail: r.coates@liv.ac.uk
> Tel: 0151 794 4862
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #997 is a reply to message #996 ] |
Tue, 29 December 2009 12:49 |
Roy Coates
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Rick Davis wrote:
> >> What's worse, you buy one or two and then forget you have them and buy
> >> more later.
> >
> >
> > Errr... and that's a problem? ;-)
>
> I just did that recently with a glass cutter. I knew I had a few of them,
> but after two hours of searching I said to hell with it and bought a new
> one. When I was done, I said, now, I'm going to hang that damned thing right
> on a nail over there so I can find it next time. Guess where the other three
> I had were? Right on the same nail.
HAR! I'm so glad it's not just me that does that.
I had builders on-site for a couple of months building an extension on the
back of the house. Since they had to gain access via my garage/workshop
any time I can't find something, I (guiltily) assume one of the tradesmen
'swiped' it.
I've bought a few new tools since they were here, only to find the old
ones later.
--
Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates@liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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| Re: [simpits-tech] FSX [message #998 is a reply to message #995 ] |
Tue, 29 December 2009 15:27 |
Gene Buckle
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Roy Coates wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>> It's a guy thing isn't it. "Oh that's so cool, gotta have one - it's
>>> bound to come in handy one day..."
>>>
>> Yep!
>>
>> What's worse, you buy one or two and then forget you have them and buy
>> more later.
>
>
> Errr... and that's a problem? ;-)
It is when they're stupidly expensive widgets. :)
g.
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